CORP/BIZ Our Own on Our Own

Voortrekker

Senior Member
With the financial corporations shenanigans from 2007, credit card companies and others shutting down transactions for guns stores; Bank of the Mafia releasing private info to the communists STASI this year, I came to the conclusion twenty years ago that we must:

Establish our own banks and credit unions, S corps. and manufacturing companies, other services. I was laughed off of this planet and have now returned through the "Star Gate."

Now people are realizing (awakening) to the fact that we need our own utility infrastructure independent of D.C. and our own grocery stores, banks and other financial institutions as well as other services companies.

We either do this or die, period. Counter Imperialism, counter Cancel Culture, counter NWO. It's now or never.
 

db cooper

Senior Member
With the financial corporations shenanigans from 2007, credit card companies and others shutting down transactions for guns stores; Bank of the Mafia releasing private info to the communists STASI this year, I came to the conclusion twenty years ago that we must:

Establish our own banks and credit unions, S corps. and manufacturing companies, other services. I was laughed off of this planet and have now returned through the "Star Gate."

Now people are realizing (awakening) to the fact that we need our own utility infrastructure independent of D.C. and our own grocery stores, banks and other financial institutions as well as other services companies.

We either do this or die, period. Counter Imperialism, counter Cancel Culture, counter NWO. It's now or never.
What you just described is secession. With what the Supreme Court just did as well as the past, the only other reality is CWII, and that would be futile without organization that a group of seceded states could provide.

I'd love to see Texas pull the plug and start enforcing the southern border, running back out over, under or through the fence all illegals. It could start a trend.

The downside is the economy would take a major hit. All we could get is what we could barter for locally, but that's what we all know would happen anyway, that accounts for the hoarding.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
A lot of things can be bartered that the average wouldn’t dream of...until he takes the plunge and learns as he goes.

Local folks find me uniquely indispensable.
They need what I can do.

I let them come up with products and services that I need to continue to serve them.

When that ends, I go primitive, and am more than prepared to do so.

Got a better idea ?

Or is it really just the humbling and simplification that sticks in the modern American’s craw ?


ETA......

For a little better perspective, a wise older fellow that I met, online, circa Y2K, once put it better than I’ve ever seen it explained, before or since.

He said, “in times of political, economic and social turmoil, God’s people revert to, again, carrying firewood and water, until their land is again made whole”.

Apply that however it fits.
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
Why surrender before the enemy has arrived at the gates? Local barter and hide under the bed? What I suggested is entrepreneurialism not secession. Since "patriots" are excluded from Wokenism we must establish our own stuffenisms like the Catholics and Mormons did with parochial schools and housing way back when.
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
...A lot of things can be bartered that the average wouldn’t dream of...until he takes the plunge and learns as he goes...
Until one needs something not locally sourced or manufactured. I am not talking about fantasy village, wake up people. I am talking about surviving as a people with our own unregulated economy and still doing it lawfully. Think it through.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
Entrepreneurialism does not require bowing to nor creating replacement gods of commerce.

It has just come to appear so, four-five generations of social and economic programming into the game.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
Think it through ?

I’ve been doing it for 25 years, and I’ve surrendered to no one, in the process.

Quite the contrary.

I notified every local, state and federal agency with whom I had mistakenly conducted business of my intent and reasons for departure from their respective corporate venues.
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
Samuel Adams, you just agreed with me while arguing that we are arguing a point in which you just agreed with me. Think it through. Filing a corporation paper to establish an S or C Corp is not bowing and it is replacing our money to our economic efforts.

Suppose I start a soda company and I tell my white executives (who have blue collar skills and experiences) to manage the company and keep out the P.C. and Woken nonsense and that is what they do. Would you buy Deplorable Cola or C o c a Cola?
 

Cardinal

Snark: a higher form of communication
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Yes, Credit Unions are a great place to start.
Food co-ops, support your local food producers.
Make sure you vote in, locally, people who will support what you are doing.
Then do what you can to become independent of the grid.

Patronize only giant corps that support conservative values.
Ex: Patriot Mobile: Patriot Mobile | Mobilizing Freedom
Do business with a group of small service/business people who are like minded.
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
Think it through ?

I’ve been doing it for 25 years, and I’ve surrendered to no one, in the process.

Quite the contrary.

I notified every local, state and federal agency with whom I had mistakenly conducted business of my intent and reasons for departure from their respective corporate venues.
Good for you. Now tell us the steps and processes so we can do that without making rookie errors and getting bad advice from the "silver bullet" tax cheat crowd. If you could, please.
 

The Snack Artist

Veteran Member
This is coming whether we like it or not. We are soon to be stricken from society and will have to live on our own island so to speak. That's fine by me. I have been doing as much as I can by starving the beast of money. I don't make any and I don't spend much.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
Filing a corporation paper is going under the preexisting authority of a superior.

Think that through.

Why does your or my entrepreneurship require that either of us surrender or seek acceptance from...even the acknowledgment of a “superior” ?
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
Cardinal--YES! We need more information like who those companies are and their stock market symbols, etc.
Great advice on keeping our control using our people with a locally controlled vote. That goes for city council and County Commissioners/Board of Supervisors as well and then Mayor and D.A. offices.
 
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Voortrekker

Senior Member
This is coming whether we like it or not. We are soon to be stricken from society and will have to live on our own island so to speak. That's fine by me. I have been doing as much as I can by starving the beast of money. I don't make any and I don't spend much.
Can you configure a plan for a telephone and cable company? Concepts only for now but something we can implement in due time? That would be a good start. (Now people are thinking it through...I'm stoked)
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
Filing a corporation paper is going under the preexisting authority of a superior.

Think that through.

Why does your or my entrepreneurship require that either of us surrender or seek acceptance from...even the acknowledgment of a “superior” ?
It is the existing laws of the Republic and has been the law of the land since 1792. It is still a valid procedure and is still accepted by all parties involved and uninvolved. Filing the paper legitimizes us and is actually our protection under THEIR laws.

Otherwise we are in Smurf Village playing Fantasy Village. We cannot be the goldfish in a cup, but the goldfish in the sea.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
Good for you. Now tell us the steps and processes so we can do that without making rookie errors and getting bad advice from the "silver bullet" tax cheat crowd. If you could, please.
I had to cease use of all commerce-related privileges, benefits and immunities to which I do NOT have a natural right-reference the 14th amendment, and revert back to good old American rough and tumble living.

It’s not easy, but looking back, I wouldn’t trade the experience and learning curve for all the Rothschilds’ gold. :)

Whereas the IRS and state taxing authorities ceased ALL communication with me, 21 years ago,
following the letter of explanation that I sent to the director, in DC, at the time, I’d say I got it right.

They certainly know where I live.
 

The Snack Artist

Veteran Member
I had to cease use of all commerce-related privileges, benefits and immunities to which I do NOT have a natural right-reference the 14th amendment, and revert back to good old American rough and tumble living.

It’s not easy, but looking back, I wouldn’t trade the experience and learning curve for all the Rothschilds’ gold. :)

Whereas the IRS and state taxing authorities ceased ALL communication with me, 21 years ago,
following the letter of explanation that I sent to the director, in DC, at the time, I’d say I got it right.

They certainly know where I live.
I'm jealous. But, my head has been in the sand for my entire life.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
I have found that, living within the means that I can control bears far more sustainable fruit than trying to get others to do what I think they should, or trying to get others to organize, or trying to get others.....to anything.

Anything more than that seems......

.....political ?
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
Samuel Adams, I have heard of this before and you are the first in person account I have encountered as the rest were hearsay and second hand accounts. Ceasing all commerce is what the Wokenists are trying to do to us and for you local barter was your only option. Most people would not be able to survive that situation. But your experiences are unknown to most and that information is valuable and necessary for all of us. So start a thread about it so we can learn from you. Please.

I just read your last post and it is sad that people do not hear the words spoken and see what they want to see instead of reality. And it does seem political, to those who are not self educated and are only indoctrinated to the narratives.

We can organize and Snack Artist is working on some solutions...(snarky retort). But he did give us a good byte of information which we can use.
 

Voortrekker

Senior Member
With the other issue being that the IRS has been enforcing the tax laws on barter more and more.
Oh, let's not get emotional about this (snarky snark snark) but yeah, those gangsters have to ruin any good thing. Lumpers used to unload trucks and get the drivers out of the dock door as soon as they could, until the IRS got involved. G_d forbid someone could keep the money they've earned. Now a driver can wait for hours and not get detention pay because the "lumpers" are paid an hourly wage and are managed by a placement agency. Entrepreneuralism was killed by the taxgangsters of that bank.
 

Kathy in FL

TB Fanatic
Skills can be bartered
Did you know there is a tax law for that? It covers not just goods but services as well. And with the way they are killing small businesses, and have the bigger ones in a stranglehold it is very hard to pay someone under the table. As it is if you pay anyone more than $599 thru the year and want to take account for it in bookkeeping, you must 1099 them, now a 1099-NEC rather than a 1099-misc. And it includes more categories than it did in the past. Lawyers, property management, etc. And individuals are supposed to be doing this, not just businesses.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Did you know there is a tax law for that? It covers not just goods but services as well. And with the way they are killing small businesses, and have the bigger ones in a stranglehold it is very hard to pay someone under the table. As it is if you pay anyone more than $599 thru the year and want to take account for it in bookkeeping, you must 1099 them, now a 1099-NEC rather than a 1099-misc. And it includes more categories than it did in the past. Lawyers, property management, etc. And individuals are supposed to be doing this, not just businesses.
That assumes it is reported
 

moldy

Veteran Member
No, barter won’t work except for things made locally.
Depends where we are in the process. If transportation is scarce, absolutely. At the present time, we have bartered for conveyor belts to use in the garden. Certainly not a local product and was brought over 100 miles to us. It all depends on what people have and how it is valued by both the owner and the potential "buyer'.
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
What you just described is secession. With what the Supreme Court just did as well as the past, the only other reality is CWII, and that would be futile without organization that a group of seceded states could provide.

I'd love to see Texas pull the plug and start enforcing the southern border, running back out over, under or through the fence all illegals. It could start a trend.

The downside is the economy would take a major hit. All we could get is what we could barter for locally, but that's what we all know would happen anyway, that accounts for the hoarding.
Arizona tired enforcing border and immigration law under the Obama era I believe it was. Didn't they gya smack down from the federalis? Individual states have no standing to enforce a state law that mirrors federal law.

Maybe Texas can figure a way to accomplish it.
 

Kathy in FL

TB Fanatic
That assumes it is reported
That's the problem. More and more businesses/people will be forced to report it to be able to take the expense. All it takes is one "screw the pooch" moment/action and then the IRS crawls up your nostril as well as your connections. Or you as a connection to someone else. The holes in the net they use are shrinking.

Look at what is going on in Cali with the destruction of the gig economy. They are going to be on the lookout for transgressors. It really sucks. It is one of the reasons why stolen SS numbers is such a big business with the illegal population.
 

db cooper

Senior Member
Arizona tired enforcing border and immigration law under the Obama era I believe it was. Didn't they gya smack down from the federalis? Individual states have no standing to enforce a state law that mirrors federal law.

Maybe Texas can figure a way to accomplish it.
Yes, one of the states down there tried, you are likely correct being Arizona. We have entered an era of total lawlessness, meaning we have an illegitimate regime. It could be said obama was illegitimate, but there was little to no proof of it and there was no mass citizenry standing up saying so. It's also an open stated goal of this regime to overrun our country with illegals, where obama just quietly did it. With the current regime, there is open violence, being antifa and blm. With obama the beginnings of deep racial hatreds was just beginning. More importantly, with obama there was no clear open connection with a foreign communist regime.

My point is, it's now or never. This regime is clearly illegal and clearly bent on the total destruction of the country in the name of the Chinese commies.

In pet stores I've watched mice huddled in fear, shaking, knowing that the snake they have been caged with will soon be eating them. That reminds me of our Supreme Court, a bunch of chickenshit POS's huddled in their chambers thinking they best do what's good for them or they will be eaten too (figuratively speaking). The fact is, they will be (court packing) just like the mice.

It's now up to the states to do their job.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
I am honestly disappointed.


After what we have witnessed in the last 4-5 months, we still tremble before and seek to please the IRS gods ?

We still take them into consideration regarding every business or financial decision we make ?

We close our eyes against the painful truth: “they” want you dead and still we stifle our best efforts that we might be first in line to fund our neighbor’s destruction, then our own ?

Think outside the box ?

Hell, throw the damn box away.

Less than three minutes:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zE7PKRjrid4


If I were to start a thread, you’d all be amazed at the wantonly clueless naysayers who would flock in to say that all I have experienced and “accomplished” simply cannot be done.

Hence my long-standing invite for those who are serious to come see me, see the homestead, see the farm, look over some documents.

I have had not one taker......

Furthermore, to save time and greatly increase understanding, I would recommend two prerequisite studies before I engage this topic.

Read, a few times, Frederic Bastiat’s, “The Law”.


Then read, “The Covenants of the Gods”, compiled by one, Gregory Williams.


If we had three members take that collective red pill, I would take the initiative to proceed.

After that, come see me and I’ll show you how to live outside the matrix.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I had to cease use of all commerce-related privileges, benefits and immunities to which I do NOT have a natural right-reference the 14th amendment, and revert back to good old American rough and tumble living.

It’s not easy, but looking back, I wouldn’t trade the experience and learning curve for all the Rothschilds’ gold. :)

Whereas the IRS and state taxing authorities ceased ALL communication with me, 21 years ago,
following the letter of explanation that I sent to the director, in DC, at the time, I’d say I got it right.

They certainly know where I live.
I totally agree with your approach, and try to practice it myself as much as possible, but while I definitely would like to read That letter that you sent to the IRA, I’m thinking you must have decided to not count on any SS income in your retirement years. Which I don’t have a problem with -for you. For those of us who knew that they had not the income to invest in stocks etc., the SS “retirement plan” is all we have left to get through our old age and be able to stay on the land we‘ve worked on our whole lives.

not to say I didn’t have a backup plan. I do. But it would mean going nomadic after I can no longer afford the Property taxes. That’s ok, even in my old age, it won’t be the first time I trusted in the Lord...
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
I totally agree with your approach, and try to practice it myself as much as possible, but while I definitely would like to read That letter that you sent to the IRA, I’m thinking you must have decided to not count on any SS income in your retirement years. Which I don’t have a problem with -for you. For those of us who knew that they had not the income to invest in stocks etc., the SS “retirement plan” is all we have left to get through our old age and be able to stay on the land we‘ve worked on our whole lives.

not to say I didn’t have a backup plan. I do. But it would mean going nomadic after I can no longer afford the Property taxes. That’s ok, even in my old age, it won’t be the first time I trusted in the Lord...
That last line is where it’s at, Jed.

When required to put their money where their mouth is, regarding that concept, when the rubber meets the road, well.......the STATE apparently makes for a mighty imposing obstacle, does it not ?
Caesar’s table also seems to hold eternal appeal over the occasionally bland but sustaining oatmeal that Father frequently offers His own.
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
Furthermore, that letter to the IRS hinged on two basic principles.

I apologized profusely for all of my previous misunderstanding, literally using my own mother’s sincere but ill-advised interpretation of Matthew 5:34 and James 5:12.
Mom always told me that “swearing” was a language that the local riffraff used, down at the bars on Friday and Saturday nights.

That signing under “I swear, under penalties of perjury”, required on the IRS 1040 and myriad other government documents always did bad stick in my craw.

A little research cleared all that right up, and I simply told the IRS director that, as it is required of me to break faith with Messiah’s most stringently worded commandment, inborder that I might do business with his office and entity, I must henceforth and forever abstain.
Of course, by that time I had already given up all other government and commercial benefits requiring that oath.

Can’t have it both ways.

Then I went into concept two, regarding the fallacy of attempting to serve two masters......

I never heard back, and ALL correspondence from the regional office stopped immediately.

State of Illinois Dept. Revenue reared it’s ugly heard a few months later.
I sent them a copy of the letter, with brief apology and explanation, and never heard back.

Now......you tell me wtf is going on in this country that we are required to break faith with one of the greatest tenets of “Christianity” that we might “pay our taxes”, “vote”, “obtain a driver license”, etc., etc., etc.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
That last line is where it’s at, Jed.

When required to put their money where their mouth is, regarding that concept, when the rubber meets the road, well.......the STATE apparently makes for a mighty imposing obstacle, does it not ?
Caesar’s table also seems to hold eternal appeal over the occasionally bland but sustaining oatmeal that Father frequently offers His own.
i read Bastiat’s The Law decades ago. Just had to order your other recommended book. Thanks for the suggestion, looks good.

at this pivotal time in history, I think it behooves EVERYONE, to re-read the Book of Revelation and meditate on what the message is implying in “ Come out of her my people, lest ye share in her plagues”. After reading that book for the first time I shortly thereafter dropped out of college and determined that I would do whatever I had to do in order to have a homestead of my own, as both my hardscrabble grandparents had, as it was -and is- the only way I could foresee worth living -and being able to truly live- particularly through hard times. Er, which are upon us and soon to become obvious to even the blind.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Furthermore, that letter to the IRS hinged on two basic principles.

I apologized profusely for all of my previous misunderstanding, literally using my own mother’s sincere but ill-advised interpretation of Matthew 5:34 and James 5:12.
Mom always told me that “swearing” was a language that the local riffraff used, down at the bars on Friday and Saturday nights.

That signing under “I swear, under penalties of perjury”, required on the IRS 1040 and myriad other government documents always did bad stick in my craw.

A little research cleared all that right up, and I simply told the IRS director that, as it is required of me to break faith with Messiah’s most stringently worded commandment, inborder that I might do business with his office and entity, I must henceforth and forever abstain.
Of course, by that time I had already given up all other government and commercial benefits requiring that oath.

Can’t have it both ways.

Then I went into concept two, regarding the fallacy of attempting to serve two masters......

I never heard back, and ALL correspondence from the regional office stopped immediately.

State of Illinois Dept. Revenue reared it’s ugly heard a few months later.
I sent them a copy of the letter, with brief apology and explanation, and never heard back.

Now......you tell me wtf is going on in this country that we are required to break faith with one of the greatest tenets of “Christianity” that we might “pay our taxes”, “vote”, “obtain a driver license”, etc., etc., etc.
Thank you for the explanation of your letter to the IRS. I take it then that you do not have a drivers license nor own a vehicle (other than a horse and buggie)?
 

Samuel Adams

Veteran Member
Tractors.

Old(ish) John Deere tractors.

We could start a thread regarding my few brief but interesting conversations and run-ins with Illinois state police, but......that would only bolster my position.

:xpmp:
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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You can nibble around the edges to feel better, but there is no way to come clean.

Go through your day and think about every single item you pick up....where did it come from?

We make very little in the US anymore.

That said, we will probably balkanize, but there will still be an overwhelming need for things from leftist companies/places/supporters.

I don't know that we can starve them.
 
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