NYT Accuses CNN, BuzzFeed Of Peddling "Fake News" Over Russia Report

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NYT Accuses CNN, BuzzFeed Of Peddling "Fake News" Over Russia Report







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In a fascinating retort by the left-leaning NYT to the story of the day, namely the CNN-BuzzFeed narrative based on an unverified 35-page memo allegedly prepared by a UK intelligence officer, even "the paper of record" takes the two media outlets to town, and in an article titled "BuzzFeed Posts Unverified Claims on Trump, Stirring Debate" essentially accuses them of doing what CNN has accused so much of the 'alternative media' in doing when distributing "fake news."

Here are the key excerpts:



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The reports by CNN and Buzzfeed sent other news organizations, including The New York Times and The Washington Post, scrambling to publish their own articles, some of which included generalized descriptions of the unverified allegations about Mr. Trump. By late Tuesday, though, only BuzzFeed had published the full document.



BuzzFeed’s decision, besides its immediate political ramifications for a president-elect who is to be inaugurated in 10 days, was sure to accelerate a roiling debate about the role and credibility of the traditional media in today’s frenetic, polarized information age.

And the punchline, where the NYT essentially accuses both CNN and BuzzFeed of stooping to the level of "fake news" disseminators:






Of particular interest was the use of unsubstantiated information from anonymous sources, a practice that fueled some of the so-called fake news — false rumors passed off as legitimate journalism — that proliferated during the presidential election.

It then continues its scathing critique of what now passes as "journalism"

CNN said that its journalists had reviewed the full 35-page compilation of memos, the same document later published in full by BuzzFeed, but declined to include some details, saying that the network “has not independently corroborated the specific allegations.” CNN said its reporters spoke with multiple high-ranking intelligence and government officials before publishing its report.








Meanwhile, the NYT held off for one simple reason: "In a brief interview in the Times newsroom on Tuesday evening, Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The Times, said the paper would not publish the document because the allegations were “totally unsubstantiated.” “We, like others, investigated the allegations and haven’t corroborated them, and we felt we’re not in the business of publishing things we can’t stand by,” Mr. Baquet said.

But BuzzFeed could.

It wasn't just the NYT who lashed out at the "report" - on social media, some left-leaning writers who generally oppose Mr. Trump expressed skepticism about the document published by BuzzFeed. “An anonymous person, claiming to be an ex-British intel agent & working as a Dem oppo researcher, said anonymous people told him things,” wrote Glenn Greenwald.






Immediately after BuzzFeed’s publication, some reporters volunteered that they, too, had received copies of the report. “Raise your hand if you too were approached with this story,” Julia Ioffe, a journalist who has written extensively on Russia, wrote on Twitter, adding that she had not reported on the information in the document “because it was impossible to verify.”



Writers at the blog Lawfare, which covers national security issues, said they had been in possession of the document “for a couple of weeks” but opted not to publish because the allegations were unproven.



“Yes, they are explosive; they are also entirely unsubstantiated, at least to our knowledge, at this stage,” the site wrote on Tuesday night. “For this reason, even now, we are not going to discuss the specific allegations within the document.”

To be sure, BuzzFeed’s move was welcomed by some people, who expressed concern that news outlets and government officials with access to the allegations had not disclosed them sooner. Almost immediately, the report’s publication prompted questions from Hillary Clinton’s camp about why the claims had not surfaced earlier. “Today has brought a gush of reporting that outlets knew about and sat on prior to November 8,” Brian Fallon, Mrs. Clinton’s chief campaign spokesman, wrote on Twitter. He added, in a second message: “I repeat: certain media outlets were told this prior to November 8.”

Meanwhile, John Podhoretz takes it even further: "At a moment when journalists are up in arms about “fake news,” what BuzzFeed has done here is take fake news to a new level. Its editor, Ben Smith, acknowledges “there is serious reason to doubt the allegations.” In other words, there is almost certainly fake news inside these memos, and it might all be fake, or some parts of it might be true but buried so deeply under falsity that it would be impossible to separate it out."






“Publishing this dossier reflects how we see the job of reporters in 2017,” Smith writes. This is an amazing thing to say, because if you think it through, it means publishing open libels and slanders is the job of reporters in 2017.



“Fake news will become more sophisticated, and fake, ambiguous, and spun-up stories will spread widely,” warned an important American editor at the end of December 2016. His name: Ben Smith. His publication: BuzzFeed.

Ultimately, the reaction to the report simply confirmed just how polarized US society has become, and that when it comes to information, virtually anything can now pass as "fake news" if not factually checked and corroborated by evidence, which incidentally in the entire "Russia hacking" means everything.

Finally, we would find it supremely delightful if, indeed, it was 4Chan who hoaxed not only CNN and BuzzFeed but the US intelligence agencies, into posting the "golden showers" scene. If so, then faith in conventional US media (and US intelligence) will fully disintegrate.
 

dogmanan

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http://nypost.com/2017/01/10/buzzfeeds-trump-report-takes-fake-news-to-a-new-level/





Buzzfeed’s Trump report takes ‘fake news’ to a new level


By John Podhoretz



January 10, 2017 | 10:56pm | Updated


Modal Trigger Buzzfeed’s Trump report takes ‘fake news’ to a new level




So the website BuzzFeed decided to publish a series of memos that have been floating around for months alleging all kinds of terrible things about Donald Trump.

Some of those terrible allegations have to do with efforts to influence the American elections and Trump. Some of them have to do with Trump’s personal sexual conduct.

Readers of this newspaper know well not to include me among Trump’s supporters. But the scurrilousness of what BuzzFeed has done here is so beyond the bounds of what is even remotely acceptable it should compel even those most outraged by Trump’s political excesses to come to his defense and to the defense of a few other people mentioned in these papers whose names are also dragged through the mud.

There is literally no evidence on offer in these memos or from BuzzFeed that any single sentence in these documents is factual or true. What’s more, we know most major news organizations in America had seen them and despite their well-known institutional antipathy toward Trump, had chosen not to publish them or even make reference to them after efforts to substantiate their charges had failed.



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BuzzFeed tells us that “the document was prepared for political opponents of Trump by a person who is understood to be a former British intelligence agent.” Indeed, the memos are designed to read as though they were cables sent from the field to the home office. And they should set off the bull detector of every rational person who reads them.

I’ve been a newspaper and magazine editor for 31 years, and like many in my profession, have had occasion over the course of four decades to work with people linked to intelligence agencies both domestic and foreign when they are retailing stories injurious to one or another politician or cause.




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In my experience, there is no source of whom you need to be more skeptical, and whose information you need to verify to the letter before you can even begin to think of publishing it, than an “intelligence” source.

The telling indicator is that every factoid such a source produces is given equal weight with every other one. Chances are some percentage of those factoids is actual fact, but it could be 10 percent or it could be 90 or any number in between.

Since the person retailing the factoids has an agenda, as BuzzFeed acknowledges here, he has at the very least a bias toward believing every piece of anti-Trump detail he puts down on paper—and at worst a desire to throw every single rumor he can collect (or generate out of his own fevered imaginings) at the wall to see which ones might stick.

At a moment when journalists are up in arms about “fake news,” what BuzzFeed has done here is take fake news to a new level. Its editor, Ben Smith, acknowledges “there is serious reason to doubt the allegations.” In other words, there is almost certainly fake news inside these memos, and it might all be fake, or some parts of it might be true but buried so deeply under falsity that it would be impossible to separate it out.

“Publishing this dossier reflects how we see the job of reporters in 2017,” Smith writes. This is an amazing thing to say, because if you think it through, it means publishing open libels and slanders is the job of reporters in 2017.

“Fake news will become more sophisticated, and fake, ambiguous, and spun-up stories will spread widely,” warned an important American editor at the end of December 2016. His name: Ben Smith. His publication: BuzzFeed.

I didn’t make that up.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yep, they are starting to turn on each other. This should be real fun to watch!
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Yep, they are starting to turn on each other. This should be real fun to watch!

It's fun like watching wrestling is fun, all arranged in advance by people who use wrestlers as pawns. But bear in mind that the MSM are merely foot-soldiers for the PTB, and the PTB are scared spitless which is why they've sicced the MSM on Trump.

The real question is not what's happening in the ring, but what the players' managers are manipulating and bargaining where the spotlights aren't focused.
 

Be Well

may all be well
It's fun like watching wrestling is fun, all arranged in advance by people who use wrestlers as pawns. But bear in mind that the MSM are merely foot-soldiers for the PTB, and the PTB are scared spitless which is why they've sicced the MSM on Trump.

The real question is not what's happening in the ring, but what the players' managers are manipulating and bargaining where the spotlights aren't focused.

My take on it this morning. The CEOs of the MSM and their pals are furious, angry, and most of all, afraid. They are no doubt blaming the hirelings who run the MSM outlets that it's their fault they ran with the fake report and has made them look even worse than they already looked. Screaming matches and maybe stuff thrown is happening today, IMHO. SOMEONE has to take the fall for this, who exactly is the question. Or several people of course. I am actually figuring someone may commit suicide over this. The CIA and the MSM being trolled by a hoax report is the biggest thing involving either the CIA or the MSM in a long time (as far as public knowledge goes). IMHO, they knew it was fake but figured no one would find out.

Heads will roll over this, firings, resignations and who knows what else.
 

mom2many

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Okay, I looked at several threads and didn't see this mentioned, but isn't Ben Smith at Buzzfeed the guy who was involved somehow with that Michelle Fields/Corey Lewandowski hoax, iirc, they were dating....
 

thompson

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Okay, I looked at several threads and didn't see this mentioned, but isn't Ben Smith at Buzzfeed the guy who was involved somehow with that Michelle Fields/Corey Lewandowski hoax, iirc, they were dating....

I think you're thinking of Ben Shapiro. He got involved in that idiotic brouha but I don't think they were dating.

ETA: You jogged my old brain! Maybe Ben Smith is the guy she was dating! Hmmmm
 

Sleeping Cobra

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I LOVE This War Going On

All over the internet there is war between fake news and truth news. THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS WIN! (I wanted to say that in all capps)
 

Steel Chips

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Can the President Elect sue c.n.n. for slander (defamation by spoken word), and sue buzzfeed for libel (defamation by written word)? They have made unsubstantiated claims against the PE.
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
Okay, I looked at several threads and didn't see this mentioned, but isn't Ben Smith at Buzzfeed the guy who was involved somehow with that Michelle Fields/Corey Lewandowski hoax, iirc, they were dating....

I thought for a sec you might be on to something, but I don't think so. I think they are just friends/acquaintances:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/miche...cusations-arm-twitter-nypd-boyfriend-bio-age/

snipped

"Michelle Fields addressed the incident in a post on the website Wednesday, after it was first brought to light by her boyfriend, fellow journalist Jamie Weinstein, on Twitter the night before."
 

Rastech

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This is amazing coming from the new York times.

I think there's a lot of people that we might traditionally think of as 'lefties for life', waking up big time to just what nonsense they have been suckered into supporting.

Earth shaking changes are under way (Globally), I feel.

If there had been ANY Constitutional Philosophers around, when the deranged basket case of deception and lies called "Socialism" was dumped on the World, it would have been a laughing stock within 5 minutes. Without the Constitutional Philosophers, it has taken over 100 years to reach the inevitable conclusion.

It is mind boggling to think how this nonsense managed to happen, and how so many supposedly intelligent people, swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
 

mom2many

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I thought for a sec you might be on to something, but I don't think so. I think they are just friends/acquaintances:

http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/miche...cusations-arm-twitter-nypd-boyfriend-bio-age/

snipped

"Michelle Fields addressed the incident in a post on the website Wednesday, after it was first brought to light by her boyfriend, fellow journalist Jamie Weinstein, on Twitter the night before."

This maybe what I was thiking of, sorry on my cell and can't paste the content.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/0...roversy-is-only-barely-about-michelle-fields/
 

thompson

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This maybe what I was thiking of, sorry on my cell and can't paste the content.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/0...roversy-is-only-barely-about-michelle-fields/

snipped from^

"Those sharp elbows extend to treatment of other media. Breitbart News coined the phrase “Ben Smithing,” which has gained mainstream news coverage and its own Urban Dictionary entry. Ben Smithing refers to former Politico blogger Ben Smith, and his alleged penchant for early framing of a story so as to favor Democrats so effectively that it misdirects subsequent coverage. Guess which news outlet is leading the charge against Breitbart News on the Michelle Fields coverage, including obtaining leaked internal Breitbart News emails and chat conversations that paint Breitbart News management in a bad light? Buzzfeed. Guess who is the Editor in Chief of Buzzfeed? Ben Smith. Payback is a bitch."
 

Dobbin

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Libel and slander have to have a measure by which damages are gauged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Its not just that someone said or wrote something untruthful about someone else - that someone else has to have verifiable loss as a result of the untruthful libel or slander.

As in - Trump business venture loses a multi-million dollar occupancy with blame directly accountable to the untruthfulness.

In this case, Trumps bedroom dealings may or may not be true, but reporting of this untruth is unlikely to cause Trump a personal loss - and certainly difficult to pin that loss on the bedroom escapade.

At least I can't think of any way.

But I'm a rube - both in politics AND the bedding down.

Dobbin
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
A sizeable chunk of the Internet already doesn't like BuzzFeed for its clickbait-centric posts and proclivity toward being hardcore left-wing when it "reports news," even though BuzzFeed isn't a reporting agency so much as an Internet-culture/Millennial soft-news source. I bet sites like Reddit are already hooting at Trump giving them a stern chastising.

And with any luck, the Clinton News Network might find itself losing market share and eventually imploding.
 

Flippper

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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Can the President Elect sue c.n.n. for slander (defamation by spoken word), and sue buzzfeed for libel (defamation by written word)? They have made unsubstantiated claims against the PE.

I don't see why not.

As Dobbin points out, the plaintiff is required to show quantifiable damages AND a strict causal relationship between the writing/saying of the untruth.

ALSO the purveyor of the non-facts actually is required to KNOW it's an untruth, as far as I know because there is a requirement for intent to damage included in the requirements for crime....



Libel and slander have to have a measure by which damages are gauged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Its not just that someone said or wrote something untruthful about someone else - that someone else has to have verifiable loss as a result of the untruthful libel or slander.

As in - Trump business venture loses a multi-million dollar occupancy with blame directly accountable to the untruthfulness.

In this case, Trumps bedroom dealings may or may not be true, but reporting of this untruth is unlikely to cause Trump a personal loss - and certainly difficult to pin that loss on the bedroom escapade.

At least I can't think of any way.

But I'm a rube - both in politics AND the bedding down.

Dobbin
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Is this information that could get someone in big trouble? Caution may be warranted here. :)

My son says everyone on 4chan is "anonymous"---it can't be traced.

The guy re-posted on twitter--but Twitter has taken his account down as of TODAY.


BUT...my son found it on a wayback machine archive----and believe me, it's a HOOT to read (link on my thread).


If twitter has already closed him down, then they already KNOW who he is....
 
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