POL November 3: The 2020 U.S. ELECTION DAY MAIN THREAD

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BREAKING: Pennsylvania Judge Blocks State From Certifying Election Results In Presidential And All Other Races

November 25, 2020 Alex D.

State legislators in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and other disputed states should declare openly, right now, that they will only accept a Joe Biden victory after a thorough and complete investigation of all potential voter fraud in every state where the electoral outcome is contested.

Today a Pennsylvania judge ordered state officials to not certify the results of the 2020 election until her court holds a hearing on an election contest on Friday.

Commonwealth Judge Patricia McCullough ordered the state to not take any further steps to complete the certification of the presidential race, which the state announced on Tuesday. She also blocked the certification of all the other election results.

“To the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification of the results of the 2020 General Election for the offices of President and Vice President of the United States of America, respondents are preliminarily enjoined from doing so, pending an evidentiary hearing to be held on Friday,” the judge wrote in her order (pdf).

“Respondents are preliminarily enjoined from certifying the remaining results of the election, pending the evidentiary hearing.”

McCullough is presiding over a lawsuit brought by Republican lawmakers and candidates against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, and the Pennsylvania General Assembly.
The plaintiffs alleged that Pennsylvania’s vote-by-mail stature—Act 77—is in violation of the state’s constitution.

“Act 77 is the most expansive and fundamental change to the Pennsylvania voting code, implemented illegally, to date,” the lawsuit, filed in the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania, states.

“As with prior historical attempts to illegally expand mail-in voting by statute, which have been struck down going as far back as the Military Absentee Ballot Act of 1839, Act 77 is another illegal attempt to override the limitations on absentee voting prescribed in the Pennsylvania Constitution, without first following the necessary procedure to amend the constitution to allow for the expansion.”

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In 2016, Pennsylvania certified the presidential election on Dec. 12.
Wonderful news arrived for President Trump and his legal team from the Supreme Court last week.

Effective November 20, 2020, ordered pursuant to Title 28, United States Code, Section 42. The circuit judges have been resigned and look who is in charge of MI, WI, PA, and GA:
MI – Brett M. Kavanaugh
WI – Amy Coney Barrett
PA – Samuel A. Alito
GA – Clarence Thomas

Without disagreeing with the conventional wisdom about the final tally when all the legal votes are counted, I believe the current consensus is missing the fact that Trump has a second, viable stealthy road to victory. I’m reluctantly betting that the debate about who won will continue until at least January 6 when slates of electoral college members are opened in Washington, and most likely beyond that as whatever is decided then is appealed by the loser to the Supreme Court.

This is going to be a long and hard legal battle!
 

TKO

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Is it important? If they have, Trump can go after them for fraud and it can all be reversed. If not, they know they're dangling over the abyss and are looking for a way out. There is no downside in the simple fact of certification. It's like lying on a 4473. Signing your name doesn't end it, it can be just the beginning.
It's important.
 
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Optics - Gettysburg. Might have been a recent anniversary, and today a seminal event proclaiming another staunch defense of The Republic.

A respective analysis, a comported delivery resplendent in truth.

For those in action, those who testify, those are ready to fall in honest service, for those willing to give their material presence in defense of truth, I pledge my existence in your support.

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TKO

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Actually this is much, much more important:

I don't disagree with you. I just think that 41 page articles aren't likely going to get read much by the public. No kidding. This article is 41 pages long and over 9500 words. Judges aren't even going to go through this. It costs fortunes to get a lawyer to review one page of a pdf. I've had a lot of experience going to court and testifying on behalf of the government. Lawyers hate lengthy commentary and the average public hates it even more. It won't be read.
 

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I don't disagree with you. I just think that 41 page articles aren't likely going to get read much by the public. No kidding. This article is 41 pages long and over 9500 words. Judges aren't even going to go through this. It costs fortunes to get a lawyer to review one page of a pdf. I've had a lot of experience going to court and testifying on behalf of the government. Lawyers hate lengthy commentary and the average public hates it even more. It won't be read.

You're right. Most lawyers and academics jump straight to the conclusion of lengthy reports especially those that rely heavily on dry statistical analysis. Here's the money quote that may cause some to go back and read the rest of the report:

"We further find that if these updates were only more extreme than 99% of all updates nationally in terms of their deviation from this generally-observed pattern, that, holding all else equal, Joe Biden may very well have lost the states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia, and that he would have 42 fewer Electoral votes — putting Biden below the number required to win the Presidency. Either way, it is indisputable that his margin of victory in these three states relies on four most anomalous vote updates identified by the metric developed in this report."

"It is our belief that the extraordinarily anomalous nature of the studied vote updates here, combined with the staggering political implications, demands immediate and thorough investigation."
 
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MinnesotaSmith

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Thread over at Vox Day's site that's very interesting. LARP is in the title. Supposedly, someone in Biden's campaign saw an advance copy of a filing Sidney Powell is making tomorrow. Filing extremely detailed, names lots of names with criminal acts, etc. The author said it had over 70 "exhibits", more than he'd ever seen in a filing, and that reading it produced instant gloom in that DNC building.
 
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BREAKING: KRAKEN RELEASED! Attorney Sidney Powell Files 104 Page BOMBSHELL COMPLAINT of Massive Fraud in Georgia Election

By Jim Hoft
Published November 25, 2020 at 11:05pm

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Attorney Sidney Powell Files 104 Page BOMBSHELL COMPLAINT of Massive Fraud in Georgia Election

Flynn Attorney Abigail Frye posted this moments ago:
The Kraken came down to Georgia on this Thanksgiving Eve in the form of a 104 pg BOMBSHELL complaint exposing the massive fraud that overwhelmed the 2020 Georgia Elections. Georgia, you are most certainly on our minds. Link to filing to come, stay tuned!
The Kraken came down to Georgia on this Thanksgiving Eve in the form of a 104 pg BOMBSHELL complaint exposing the massive fraud that overwhelmed the 2020 Georgia Elections. Georgia, you are most certainly on our minds. Link to filing to come, stay tuned! @SidneyPowell1 @LLinWood
— Abigail Frye ⭐⭐⭐ (@abigailcfrye) November 26, 2020
More from Sidney–
UPDATE — HERE IS A COPY OF THE FILING.

Here’s one of the BOMBSHELLS in the report:
They are calling for 96,000 votes to be tossed!
page 10
Additionally, incontrovertible evidence Board of Elections records demonstrates that at least 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted but were never recorded as being returned to county election boards by the voter. Thus, at a minimum, 96,600 votes must be disregarded. (See Attached hereto, Exh. 9, R. Ramsland Aff.)
 

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“I Will Kick Your Ass Out of Here!” – Detroit GOP Poll Challenger Threatened with Violence After Offering to Check 35,000 Ballot Dump in Middle of Night at TCF Center (VIDEO)

By Ben Wetmore
Published November 25, 2020 at 9:48pm

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Detroit Poll Watcher Was Ejected After Challenging Mismatched Ballots
ANOTHER MICHIGAN WITNESS TO VOTER FRAUD!

Braden Giacobazzi witnessed the aftermath of the BIDEN BALLOT DUMP in the middle of the night. He was told that 35,000 ballots had just arrived at the TCF Center and asked if he could help ensure the votes were legally authenticated and counted.


When he arrived and tried to do his job, Democrats threatened violence.
“I will kick your ass or I will kick you out of here!” was the threat of violence used to eject Braden from reviewing legal and illegal ballots at the TCF Center.

The media keeps saying there is NO EVIDENCE of Voter Fraud, but there are dozens of witnesses and hundreds of affidavits alleging voter fraud in Wayne County/Detroit ALONE!

HE SAW A BIN WITH WHAT LOOKED LIKE EMPTY BALLOTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM, during the period of time that GOP Poll Challengers were suspiciously kicked out of the counting area, and during the period of time where the City of Detroit ordered the windows covered SO NO ONE COULD SEE IN.

He is a Political Independent and was a Detroit Poll Challenger.

“When you walked in you could feel the tension in the air.”

“My job was to look at ballots and make sure the numbers matched each other,” he said. “It was going so fast you couldn’t see who was voting for whom.”

“We were told by the lawyers that we were supposed to be able to view the ballots, but the people at the tables never let us.”

Giacobazzi noticed when the facility decided to lock out the Republicans from being able to observe the vote count. From that point on, things got “more and more contentious.”

He told The Gateway Pundit that the atmosphere devolved into a one-sided cover-up throughout the day. “Many of the people running the tables– as soon as we’d step in, they would wield COVID as a weapon to force you to stay away from the table.”

“They were professional agitators, riling people up in order to get people kicked out.”

“And they’d step in front of you to make sure you couldn’t see what was going on.” He described being yelled at by numerous left-wing operatives who demanded to know who he was, despite his credentials.”

“It seemed like it was much worse in the back,” he said. “There was a Democrat operative who came up to me and said ‘Who are you? What do you think you’re doing here?'” he said. “That was the M.O. for the whole day. ‘I don’t have to tell you anything, I don’t have to tell you who I am, I don’t have to tell you my affiliation, but you have to tell me everything,'” he said.

He never saw Democrats get kicked out. He never saw the rules applied to Democrats.

Apparently only conservatives were a COVID risk.

“They were lying to people all day long about COVID.”

Giacobazzi believes the poll challengers and staff were on the same side, and that they were colluding to obstruct Republican poll challengers and have them removed from the facility. “It was like they were professional agitators,” he said. “They all seemed to be on one side. They all seemed to be ready to cheer as soon as a GOP staffer got kicked out of the room.” He said he did not see any Democrats kicked out of the TCF Center.

“As the day went on, it was like they were picking us off, and there just weren’t enough of us to man the tables.”

Giacobazzi, an engineer by trade, said he encountered several “independent” lawyers and law students who expressed far-left political leanings during his service at the TCF Center. “I remember multiple people telling me they couldn’t wait to go work on behalf of CHAZ / CHOP,” he said, referring to the deadly anarchist takeover of downtown Seattle (Capital Hill Autonomous Zone / Occupied Protest) in the Summer of 2020. “They [the poll workers] liked the idea that you wouldn’t prosecute people for rioting.”

Despite his own diplomatic approach, Giacobazzi told The Gateway Pundit that he was ultimately ejected from the facility for challenging a ballot. “The whole room cheered, clapped, made snide remarks, and said ‘Yeah, get him the hell outta here!‘” he said.

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HAPPY THANKSGIVING: 11th Circuit Grants Lin Wood’s Emergency Motion for Expedited Review of Lawsuit Challenging Validity of GA Election Procedure

By Joe Hoft
Published November 25, 2020 at 7:34pm

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Last night we reported that Lin Wood’s case in Georgia was far from over:

This morning we reported that Wood filed an emergency motion for an expedited review of his appeal:

Tonight we received good news from Georgia – a Happy Thanksgiving gift:
Thanksgiving Eve News!
11th Circuit granted my Emergency Motion for Expedited Review of lawsuit challenging validity of GA election procedure.
We The People delivered a historic landslide win for @realDonaldTrump in GA & nationally.
We The People will not allow it be stolen. pic.twitter.com/YVFmaZzuYj
— Lin Wood (@LLinWood) November 26, 2020
Mark Meadows also celebrated the news:
MORE BIG NEWS out of Georgia: the 11th Cir. just granted an emergency motion for expedited review on a lawsuit challenging Georgia’s election certification. We’ll know more next week starting December 1st. Stay tuned.
— Mark Meadows (@MarkMeadows) November 26, 2020
 

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Giuliani Points Out Major Problem with Mail-In Ballots in Pennsylvania: Only 1.8 Mail-In Ballots Were Sent Out – But 2.5 Million Were Counted (VIDEO)

By Cristina Laila
Published November 25, 2020 at 7:23pm

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The Pennsylvania state legislature on Wednesday held a hearing on the 2020 election issues and irregularities.

President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani was on fire and brought in several very credible witnesses.

One very credible witness described how he personally observed dozens of USB cards being uploaded to voting machines which resulted in 50,000 votes for Joe Biden in a short period of time.

Another witness described the huge “spikes” in Pennsylvania ballots that went 600,000 to Joe Biden vs 3,200 for Trump and the crowd gasped.

Rudy Giuliani pointed two huge gaps with Pennsylvania’s mail-in ballots.

“You have two major gaps — you have the 672,770 votes that were not inspected by anyone secretly put into the ballot box and then you have this gap that I don’t understand between the mail-in ballots. You’ve sent out: 1.8 million and the number you counted: 2.5 million!” Rudy said.

Rudy continued, “That’s totally impossible to explain other than what some of the other witnesses were suggesting that they were basically stuffing the ballot box. I believe what happened was that they never expected to be behind by 700,000 or 800,000 votes on election night. They expected to be behind by a couple hundred thousand — in Philadelphia to steal a couple hundred thousand votes, they do it every year, that’s not going to be tough. Now you have a real big problem so you had to create mail-in ballots, you had to stretch it out for a while…”

Giuliani is absolutely correct. The corrupt Marxist machine in Philadelphia was stunned with President Trump’s numbers on election night so they panicked and shut it all down.

Joe Biden was mathematically eliminated in Pennsylvania on election night so the crooked elections officials scrambled to produce 700,000 mail-in ballots for Joe Biden after Election Day.

WATCH:
“You could ask to see the ballots.”
You have two major gaps: you have 600K+ votes that were not inspected by anyone put in.
Then you have this gap between Mail in ballots that were sent out and the number that was counted: 1.8M sent
2.5M counted@RudyGiuliani #PAhearing pic.twitter.com/kcL4TYy9EE
— Heather Champion ™️ (@winningatmylife) November 25, 2020
 

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The FRAUD in PA BUSTED! They got sloppy
•Nov 25, 2020


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The idiots added too many ballots files electronically and illegally to the system that it would have been physically impossible to add that many ballots in the alloted time that they did. The investigators have the exact amount of ballots per a minute that can be scanned. The fraudsters got sloppy and dumped them all at once into the system. WAIT FOR THE END...
 

Dobbin

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Obama says mail-in ballots can only be trusted if the signatures are verified. Go figure!
No figure required. The video appears to be from 2012. At that time the scam was not fully developed or implemented. And Obama still had incentive to at least APPEAR to support honesty in elections.

The giant of public opinion was still sleeping then and "shhhhh" - Obama doesn't want to wake it.

Like Owner when he goes hunting - he's VERY quiet, and doesn't move much - until the last BOOOOM!

Dobbin
 

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Twit is a private entity and they don't have to guarantee freedom of speech. So, there. The world was better before we had Facecrap, and Twithead. It just was.

How does that even work? So if I’m in a private campground or a private restaurant, I can get kicked out for saying something politically that the owners don’t agree with? I don’t think that’s how it works. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. When we start limiting it to our own private property and only in our own homes, we’ve lost. I really wish someone had the cohones to file a class action lawsuit and sue the pants out of both FB and Twitter.
 
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CaryC

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How does that even work? So if I’m in a private campground or a private restaurant, I can get kicked out for saying something politically that the owners don’t agree with? I don’t think that’s how it works. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. When we start limiting it to our own private property and only on our own homes, we’ve lost. I really wish someone had the cohones to file a class action lawsuit and sue the pants out of both FB and Twitter.
They have the US legislation/legislators backing their claim of NOT being publishers. And it's established law. That's how that works. Even though they get hauled before committee hearings every 6 months and get a chewing out, and campaign upon campaign promises that "something will be done" (drone on ad nauseum). Nothing is ever done.

The biggest thing anyone can do is to stop using them.

But mostly people just drone on ad nauseum about something needs to be done, and continue to use them.

So the result is why should they change?
 

Dobbin

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How does that even work? So if I’m in a private campground or a private restaurant, I can get kicked out for saying something politically that the owners don’t agree with? I don’t think that’s how it works. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. When we start limiting it to our own private property and only on our own homes, we’ve lost. I really wish someone had the cohones to file a class action lawsuit and sue the pants out of both FB and Twitter.

It started in transport. Called "common carrier." Starting with cabs (personal conveyance for hire) and extending to railroads, the technology (numbers of cabs, number of rail-lines) was limited. In order to control "gouging" or dishonest practice (take your money and leave you standing) the industries were "regulated" - licensed, inspected, controlled in rates, and a ban against discriminatory practice. It became a money in exchange for transport medium with no other factors entering into the business agreement. And grievance against a common carrier was dealt with by the regulators in "hearings."

The thought was extended to broadcast entities in the era of the FCC. Here, there was no money exchanged for information, but the rulemakers correctly determined that information carriers MUST be held accountable - and be truthful - for the good of the country as a whole. The "Seven forbidden words" was part of this. Media can say opinion - but it has to be couched as such. And divergent opinion had to be given a chance to compete lest their be grievance made to the regulating body.

The thought was lost in the rise of the Internet. Seemingly because the information transfer was no longer limited by technology. Want another Twitter? Go make another Twitter. And then there was Gab, and Parler, and others.

The downside to this is that a Twitter, or Facebook, or other HAS become by common use a "common carrier." So widely used and accepted it's like "electronic paper" for those who wish to express themselves according to the 1st Amendment.

However, the difference being, this electronic paper is owned by someone who wishes his paper to be used only for HIS thoughts. And - as the rules are given now, he can limit access to electronic paper for YOUR thoughts.

The Internet is at that awkward stage. It's too early to change the system, but too late to shoot the bastards.

And to get from A to B MIGHT will require some force. Possibly Congressional Force if they can be woken up to the fact that a parallel exists STILL between the Internet and the Radio Airwaves. Particularly as it relates to the social health of the country.

Dobbin
 
Mailvox: an analysis of the Powell filing in GA


An experienced attorney analyzes Sidney Powell's legal filing in GA concerning the electoral fraud aided and abetted by GA politicians and election officials. The 104-page PDF complaint can be found here. Note that she also filed a lawsuit in MI, which is not analyzed here.

I have been a practicing attorney for 25+ years. The last 15 years I have spent mainly federal court representing persons accused of crimes, so I am quite familiar with federal court, federal procedure and other matters. Here is my take on Ms. Powell’s complaint. I aim to be dispassionate, not because I do not care but because we should be honest. I am not going to smooth over issues just because I hope Ms. Powell wins.

My point is to give background and overview and to advise on what to watch in the future. I have tried to make this post generally neutral and informative. I could not locate exhibits, which are crucial, but they are cited many times in the complaint. So, here are my few observations as an attorney with decades' in federal court:

1. In early October, 2020, a federal district judge in this same district (Northern District of Georgia) ruled after several years of litigation that the Dominion software used to monitor this election has substantial issues and it will affect an election. The Plaintiffs were Democrats who filed suit in response to the 2016 election. They sought an order forcing Georgia to use different software. They conducted discovery and hearings over years, including 3 days of expert testimony about how these very voting machines work. The court ultimately denied the request because it was simply too late to change the voting machines since the election at that time was roughly a month away. New cases are supposed to be assigned to judges randomly but I would not be surprised if this case were given to that particular judge since she spent so much time reviewing the litigation and conducting evidentiary hearings. Her findings of fact could be incorporated into this hearing under the legal theory of res judicata.

2. The complaint was clearly rushed. At times it was rough and unpolished. There were numerous grammatical errors. But the gist is quite clear and it is clear that the lawyers drafting the complaint certainly knew what they were doing. They dotted the 'I's and crossed the 'T's so the complaint is not likely to be kicked on a procedural or jurisdictional claim such as standing (a legal doctrine that says that someone who brings a lawsuit must have skin in the game), but I would expect a more polished product if they had more time. However, the copy I have does not have the blue ECF 'filed' stamp, so this may not be the final complaint that gets filed. That becomes really important below.

3. The complaint makes good use of a wide variety of legal sources from both political parties (specifically naming a statement from Democratic Senators Warren, Klobuchar and Wyden from 2019) regarding Dominion software, including evidence from the previous litigation. Essentially the plaintiffs say, among other things, "Look, for the past 15+ years, Republicans, Democrats and a wide variety of international media groups have pointed out the problems with Dominion software so it shouldn't be a surprise we are here. And the very problems they have pointed out are problems we see in this election."

4. The complaint relies upon a variety of evidence to support its claim. One is an examination of the history of Dominion software. another is expert testimony regarding the voting patterns seen in this election. Another is eyewitness testimony of ballot switching. Another is evidence of votes being case by ineligible persons. Another is evidence of a pattern of similar conduct in several high population counties. Viewed together, Plaintiffs make a strong case. But it's one thing to say something and another to prove it.

5. One area where plaintiffs do a good job is in pointing out the number of votes affected by the alleged fraud. One reason this is crucial is that Biden's certified margin of victory in Georgia was only about 12,000 votes. And the complaint does a good job of laying out substantial procedural and constitutional irregularities with roughly 96,000 votes and further problems with additional votes. The problematic votes far outnumber Biden's margin of victory, which is hugely significant. Put another way, if Biden wins by 500,000 and they claim that there are problems with 100,000 votes, even if those 100,000 votes are gone, Biden still wins. If the problem votes are gone, Biden's victory may be gone as well. The complaint does a good job of pointing out not just the alleged problems but the number of votes affected by those problems.

6. What now? The plaintiffs are asking for an evidentiary hearing. That would allow them to present evidence in the form of witness testimony, expert testimony and exhibits that would support their claim. Because it is a civil case, they only have to prove their case by a preponderance of evidence, that is, they only have to prove that it was more likely than not that there was fraud and that the fraud influenced the election. They do not have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
The court may refuse an evidentiary hearing, in which case Plaintiffs would appeal and argue that they should be given hearing. Given the evidence laid out, I expect that the court will at least order an evidentiary hearing that will be conducted on an expedited scale. (it helps that there's an evidentiary hearing set in Nevada). After the evidentiary hearing, the court can grant their request, which would be to de-certify the election and force a manual re-count/audit overseen by independent auditors to verify each vote. Or the court could deny it. Realistically this case is likely to be appealed, which is one reason that the District (trial) court is likely to hold an evidentiary hearing. Because an appeal is almost certain no matter who wins the case, the judge's legal decision in this case is likely not nearly as important as the judge's factual decisions. The judge's factual decisions will likely be relied upon by appellate judges even if they disagree with the judge's legal conclusions. If there is an evidentiary hearing, pay careful attention to the judge's factual findings, especially as described below.

7. What to look for. There are a few things to watch for if there is a hearing. For one, federal (NOT state, and this is hugely important for federal jurisdiction) law requires that all records related to the election of a President, VP and senators be kept for at least 22 months after an election. If the court sets a hearing, watch for a request for that evidence. If the court orders an evidentiary hearing, I would expect the court would order that evidence provided to the Plaintiffs and to the court. If that evidence is not provided, that is, if the Georgia Division of Elections does not have the data that is required by the federal statutes, there will be hell to pay. I cannot imagine that anybody would be so monumentally stupid as to either erase such information or to not keep such information. However, Plaintiffs specifically allege that the voting machines do not keep copies of original paper ballots and are designed to avoid this audit trail. See ¶98 of the complaint. This is one area where the complaint's rushed nature is an issue, although the complaint does not appear to be filed because it's missing the blue ECF numbers showing it has been filed. Maybe the copy I got is just a leaked rough draft.

In making this allegation, the complaint quotes some findings and includes a footnote that should have the citation for what was quoted. That particular footnote, number 14, is missing. Having worked with Word to include footnotes, it would not surprise me if it were deleted accidentally during formatting. If this is the complaint that gets filed, I expect that given the time constraints Plaintiffs counsel will soon seek to file an amended complaint and include footnote 14. If that footnote is still missing, it looks really bad for Plaintiffs. If that footnote is included and their allegations about the lack of a paper trial in Dominion machines is true, that single factual finding alone is enough to derail any certified election results from states relying upon Dominion machine. I am not joking. The statute that requires election officials to keep records is a criminal statute, meaning that election officials who willfully do not keep such records can go to prison. Whether they will or not is not the issue. The issue is that this will be a crucial matter to look at because if nothing else, Plaintiffs can say, "Here are major voter irregularities and if the defendants had followed the law, this court would have had the evidence to determine whether these irregularities are just an odd statistical coincidence or based on fraud. But defendants deprived the court of the ability to do its job despite their clear legal obligation to do so."

That's not really where the defendants want to be.

The plaintiffs will also seek to compare votes cast with voter registration, specifically people that have moved from Georgia and are no longer eligible to vote. Plaintiffs allege that over 20,000 votes were cast by people who had moved out of Georgia and were no longer eligible to vote. Strike those 20,000 votes as illegitimate and who knows what happens to Biden's lead. These two issues are huge because they are black and white. There can be no reasonable dispute. Either they have the records or they don't. Either 20,000 votes were cast by non-residents or they weren't. If Plaintiffs can prove these two points, the court is likely to give them wider latitude about other matters. If they can't prove these two points, Plaintiffs will find their case is much harder than anticipated.

8. After that, there are other evidentiary issues on which the court may or may not take evidence. Plaintiffs make a big deal about how the 'water leak' at election headquarters was fraudulent and resulted in only a few people being along with voting machines for several hours. I anticipate the court will take some evidence on that but it won't be enough for Plaintiffs to prove that the voting machines were unsecured on election night through the defendants’ fraud. Plaintiffs will have to prove that during that time votes were actually altered in some way, that is, deleted or switched from one candidate to another or added or something and they must prove that the number of altered votes would be within the margin of error for the Biden victory margin. This ties in with the audit trail. Put another way, if Plaintiffs can show that: 1) the water leak was non-existent; 2) that as a result of the 'water leak,' the machines were in the hands of just a few people for several hours; 3) that in those hours the voting pattern changed dramatically and unpredictably, then Georgia better have those machines and those machines better have an audit trail or some judges are not going to be happy.

There are similar lawsuits pending in several other states and issues dovetail with this one. A judge in Nevada has ordered an evidentiary hearing on December 3. That hearing focuses upon fraud in mail-in ballots, which is not so much the focus here. The focus here is more on problems with Dominion software, which will be harder to prove, although the lack of an audit trail will be crucial for this issue. Plaintiffs will catch a big break if the judge who did the litigation on Dominion software gets this case because the judge will know the issues with Dominion and have the background to get up to speed quickly. If the judge who handled the Dominion litigation handles this one, she would be able to get an opinion out fairly quickly because she already wrote a 150 page opinion about the problems with Dominion. If she gets an opinion out while litigation about Dominion is pending in other states or appellate courts, look for Plaintiffs/Trump to use the decision to try to influence the other cases involving Dominion, especially if she makes a factual finding that the machines do not have an audit trail and this is by design.

I have no idea about the likelihood of success. Plaintiffs make an excellent argument. That is, what they allege is indeed serious. It's not a complaint that you read and wonder "What the hell were these lawyers smoking when they filed this?" Maybe Plaintiffs are wrong. Maybe they can't prove what they allege. But that is different than "what were they smoking?" If they can prove what they allege, the court has the power to grant their request to de-certify the election and audit the votes. But courts are generally loathe to overturn elections. If the Plaintiffs' evidence (key word is evidence, not allegations) ultimately comes down to really improbable voting patterns, Plaintiffs are not likely to win. Plaintiffs need to be able to say, "Here is how voter fraud occurred and here are the number of fraudulent votes cast/changed/deleted/added because of that fraud." If they can't do both, or at least do both in sufficient numbers to cast Biden's margin of victory into doubt in Georgia, they won't win. If they can do both, this case will get real interesting real fast. If this court finds that Dominion voting machines do not keep records that allow an audit of votes in a Presidential election despite a clear federal statute to do so, then I truly have no idea where this ends up. In that case, I am truly glad that RBG is not on the court any longer.

On one last note in an already too-long email, it will be irony of ironies if the Dominion software litigation in Georgia turns out to be the key to this whole thing when it was Democrats themselves who started that litigation in response to the 2017 election.
UPDATE: the shill response to the GA filing is "LOL, spelling errors!"

The one things judges hate, even the most conservatives ones, is when you start making a mockery of the court. Going to court unprepared and will spelling errors is just going to get on the judges bad side.
Oh, the irony.... The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one.
UPDATE: This subsequent post by the original poster, made prior to the Powell filing, appears to be accurate:

We haven’t heard from the higher ups in hours. I haven’t been told to worry yet, but the shift around here is palpable. The suit is...comprehensive. A lot of it talks about the Dominion software and the pay-to-play implications of having it installed in Georgia, the modifications to the system and the alleged money that changed hands between officials at dominion and state officials in Georgia. There’s a lot of discussion about some executive for Dominion that made a bunch of red flag modifications to the system right before the election that were against protocols or something. Then there is a lot from whistleblowers who testify to taking part in vote switching and ballot adding.
There are 8 references to Dominion CEO Eric Coomer across 4 pages of the filing. There is also an amount of testimony from whistleblowers.



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posted by VD @ 11/26/2020 04:44:00 AM Mailing List signup 42 comments

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Beach

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I voted early in DeKalb County, GA. After my ballot was printed, I checked it then went to the scanning machines, there were two of them. They asked me for the first letter that was printed at the bottom of the ballot and sent me to the scanner on the left, even though the scanner on the right was not being used. They did the same to the person in front of me.
My question: why would it matter which scanner a person uses?

Report this to the President's team.
Remember this post? The place I voted, Lynwood Park, is mentioned on page 35 of Sidney’s complaint. It wasn’t me though. I think there’s something about the bar codes that lets the election workers know who you voted for in the Presidential election. The bar code holds the vote that is counted by machine, but the voter can’t verify it matches the text on the ballot. In the recount, the workers are probably reading the first letter printed below the bar code and not the text...it’s how they can get similar numbers in the recount. And it may also be why people are observing Trump votes going into Biden piles during the recount.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Remember this post? The place I voted, Lynwood Park, is mentioned on page 35 of Sidney’s complaint. It wasn’t me though. I think there’s something about the bar codes that lets the election workers know who you voted for in the Presidential election. The bar code holds the vote that is counted by machine, but the voter can’t verify it matches the text on the ballot. In the recount, the workers are probably reading the first letter printed below the bar code and not the text...it’s how they can get similar numbers in the recount. And it may also be why people are observing Trump votes going into Biden piles during the recount.

Wow. Thanks for those thoughts, Beach.
 

Pinecone

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Mailvox: an analysis of the Powell filing in GA


An experienced attorney analyzes Sidney Powell's legal filing in GA concerning the electoral fraud aided and abetted by GA politicians and election officials. The 104-page PDF complaint can be found here. Note that she also filed a lawsuit in MI, which is not analyzed here.

I have been a practicing attorney for 25+ years. The last 15 years I have spent mainly federal court representing persons accused of crimes, so I am quite familiar with federal court, federal procedure and other matters. Here is my take on Ms. Powell’s complaint. I aim to be dispassionate, not because I do not care but because we should be honest. I am not going to smooth over issues just because I hope Ms. Powell wins.

My point is to give background and overview and to advise on what to watch in the future. I have tried to make this post generally neutral and informative. I could not locate exhibits, which are crucial, but they are cited many times in the complaint. So, here are my few observations as an attorney with decades' in federal court:

1. In early October, 2020, a federal district judge in this same district (Northern District of Georgia) ruled after several years of litigation that the Dominion software used to monitor this election has substantial issues and it will affect an election. The Plaintiffs were Democrats who filed suit in response to the 2016 election. They sought an order forcing Georgia to use different software. They conducted discovery and hearings over years, including 3 days of expert testimony about how these very voting machines work. The court ultimately denied the request because it was simply too late to change the voting machines since the election at that time was roughly a month away. New cases are supposed to be assigned to judges randomly but I would not be surprised if this case were given to that particular judge since she spent so much time reviewing the litigation and conducting evidentiary hearings. Her findings of fact could be incorporated into this hearing under the legal theory of res judicata.

2. The complaint was clearly rushed. At times it was rough and unpolished. There were numerous grammatical errors. But the gist is quite clear and it is clear that the lawyers drafting the complaint certainly knew what they were doing. They dotted the 'I's and crossed the 'T's so the complaint is not likely to be kicked on a procedural or jurisdictional claim such as standing (a legal doctrine that says that someone who brings a lawsuit must have skin in the game), but I would expect a more polished product if they had more time. However, the copy I have does not have the blue ECF 'filed' stamp, so this may not be the final complaint that gets filed. That becomes really important below.

3. The complaint makes good use of a wide variety of legal sources from both political parties (specifically naming a statement from Democratic Senators Warren, Klobuchar and Wyden from 2019) regarding Dominion software, including evidence from the previous litigation. Essentially the plaintiffs say, among other things, "Look, for the past 15+ years, Republicans, Democrats and a wide variety of international media groups have pointed out the problems with Dominion software so it shouldn't be a surprise we are here. And the very problems they have pointed out are problems we see in this election."

4. The complaint relies upon a variety of evidence to support its claim. One is an examination of the history of Dominion software. another is expert testimony regarding the voting patterns seen in this election. Another is eyewitness testimony of ballot switching. Another is evidence of votes being case by ineligible persons. Another is evidence of a pattern of similar conduct in several high population counties. Viewed together, Plaintiffs make a strong case. But it's one thing to say something and another to prove it.

5. One area where plaintiffs do a good job is in pointing out the number of votes affected by the alleged fraud. One reason this is crucial is that Biden's certified margin of victory in Georgia was only about 12,000 votes. And the complaint does a good job of laying out substantial procedural and constitutional irregularities with roughly 96,000 votes and further problems with additional votes. The problematic votes far outnumber Biden's margin of victory, which is hugely significant. Put another way, if Biden wins by 500,000 and they claim that there are problems with 100,000 votes, even if those 100,000 votes are gone, Biden still wins. If the problem votes are gone, Biden's victory may be gone as well. The complaint does a good job of pointing out not just the alleged problems but the number of votes affected by those problems.

6. What now? The plaintiffs are asking for an evidentiary hearing. That would allow them to present evidence in the form of witness testimony, expert testimony and exhibits that would support their claim. Because it is a civil case, they only have to prove their case by a preponderance of evidence, that is, they only have to prove that it was more likely than not that there was fraud and that the fraud influenced the election. They do not have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
The court may refuse an evidentiary hearing, in which case Plaintiffs would appeal and argue that they should be given hearing. Given the evidence laid out, I expect that the court will at least order an evidentiary hearing that will be conducted on an expedited scale. (it helps that there's an evidentiary hearing set in Nevada). After the evidentiary hearing, the court can grant their request, which would be to de-certify the election and force a manual re-count/audit overseen by independent auditors to verify each vote. Or the court could deny it. Realistically this case is likely to be appealed, which is one reason that the District (trial) court is likely to hold an evidentiary hearing. Because an appeal is almost certain no matter who wins the case, the judge's legal decision in this case is likely not nearly as important as the judge's factual decisions. The judge's factual decisions will likely be relied upon by appellate judges even if they disagree with the judge's legal conclusions. If there is an evidentiary hearing, pay careful attention to the judge's factual findings, especially as described below.

7. What to look for. There are a few things to watch for if there is a hearing. For one, federal (NOT state, and this is hugely important for federal jurisdiction) law requires that all records related to the election of a President, VP and senators be kept for at least 22 months after an election. If the court sets a hearing, watch for a request for that evidence. If the court orders an evidentiary hearing, I would expect the court would order that evidence provided to the Plaintiffs and to the court. If that evidence is not provided, that is, if the Georgia Division of Elections does not have the data that is required by the federal statutes, there will be hell to pay. I cannot imagine that anybody would be so monumentally stupid as to either erase such information or to not keep such information. However, Plaintiffs specifically allege that the voting machines do not keep copies of original paper ballots and are designed to avoid this audit trail. See ¶98 of the complaint. This is one area where the complaint's rushed nature is an issue, although the complaint does not appear to be filed because it's missing the blue ECF numbers showing it has been filed. Maybe the copy I got is just a leaked rough draft.

In making this allegation, the complaint quotes some findings and includes a footnote that should have the citation for what was quoted. That particular footnote, number 14, is missing. Having worked with Word to include footnotes, it would not surprise me if it were deleted accidentally during formatting. If this is the complaint that gets filed, I expect that given the time constraints Plaintiffs counsel will soon seek to file an amended complaint and include footnote 14. If that footnote is still missing, it looks really bad for Plaintiffs. If that footnote is included and their allegations about the lack of a paper trial in Dominion machines is true, that single factual finding alone is enough to derail any certified election results from states relying upon Dominion machine. I am not joking. The statute that requires election officials to keep records is a criminal statute, meaning that election officials who willfully do not keep such records can go to prison. Whether they will or not is not the issue. The issue is that this will be a crucial matter to look at because if nothing else, Plaintiffs can say, "Here are major voter irregularities and if the defendants had followed the law, this court would have had the evidence to determine whether these irregularities are just an odd statistical coincidence or based on fraud. But defendants deprived the court of the ability to do its job despite their clear legal obligation to do so."

That's not really where the defendants want to be.

The plaintiffs will also seek to compare votes cast with voter registration, specifically people that have moved from Georgia and are no longer eligible to vote. Plaintiffs allege that over 20,000 votes were cast by people who had moved out of Georgia and were no longer eligible to vote. Strike those 20,000 votes as illegitimate and who knows what happens to Biden's lead. These two issues are huge because they are black and white. There can be no reasonable dispute. Either they have the records or they don't. Either 20,000 votes were cast by non-residents or they weren't. If Plaintiffs can prove these two points, the court is likely to give them wider latitude about other matters. If they can't prove these two points, Plaintiffs will find their case is much harder than anticipated.

8. After that, there are other evidentiary issues on which the court may or may not take evidence. Plaintiffs make a big deal about how the 'water leak' at election headquarters was fraudulent and resulted in only a few people being along with voting machines for several hours. I anticipate the court will take some evidence on that but it won't be enough for Plaintiffs to prove that the voting machines were unsecured on election night through the defendants’ fraud. Plaintiffs will have to prove that during that time votes were actually altered in some way, that is, deleted or switched from one candidate to another or added or something and they must prove that the number of altered votes would be within the margin of error for the Biden victory margin. This ties in with the audit trail. Put another way, if Plaintiffs can show that: 1) the water leak was non-existent; 2) that as a result of the 'water leak,' the machines were in the hands of just a few people for several hours; 3) that in those hours the voting pattern changed dramatically and unpredictably, then Georgia better have those machines and those machines better have an audit trail or some judges are not going to be happy.

There are similar lawsuits pending in several other states and issues dovetail with this one. A judge in Nevada has ordered an evidentiary hearing on December 3. That hearing focuses upon fraud in mail-in ballots, which is not so much the focus here. The focus here is more on problems with Dominion software, which will be harder to prove, although the lack of an audit trail will be crucial for this issue. Plaintiffs will catch a big break if the judge who did the litigation on Dominion software gets this case because the judge will know the issues with Dominion and have the background to get up to speed quickly. If the judge who handled the Dominion litigation handles this one, she would be able to get an opinion out fairly quickly because she already wrote a 150 page opinion about the problems with Dominion. If she gets an opinion out while litigation about Dominion is pending in other states or appellate courts, look for Plaintiffs/Trump to use the decision to try to influence the other cases involving Dominion, especially if she makes a factual finding that the machines do not have an audit trail and this is by design.

I have no idea about the likelihood of success. Plaintiffs make an excellent argument. That is, what they allege is indeed serious. It's not a complaint that you read and wonder "What the hell were these lawyers smoking when they filed this?" Maybe Plaintiffs are wrong. Maybe they can't prove what they allege. But that is different than "what were they smoking?" If they can prove what they allege, the court has the power to grant their request to de-certify the election and audit the votes. But courts are generally loathe to overturn elections. If the Plaintiffs' evidence (key word is evidence, not allegations) ultimately comes down to really improbable voting patterns, Plaintiffs are not likely to win. Plaintiffs need to be able to say, "Here is how voter fraud occurred and here are the number of fraudulent votes cast/changed/deleted/added because of that fraud." If they can't do both, or at least do both in sufficient numbers to cast Biden's margin of victory into doubt in Georgia, they won't win. If they can do both, this case will get real interesting real fast. If this court finds that Dominion voting machines do not keep records that allow an audit of votes in a Presidential election despite a clear federal statute to do so, then I truly have no idea where this ends up. In that case, I am truly glad that RBG is not on the court any longer.

On one last note in an already too-long email, it will be irony of ironies if the Dominion software litigation in Georgia turns out to be the key to this whole thing when it was Democrats themselves who started that litigation in response to the 2017 election.
UPDATE: the shill response to the GA filing is "LOL, spelling errors!"


Oh, the irony.... The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one.
UPDATE: This subsequent post by the original poster, made prior to the Powell filing, appears to be accurate:


There are 8 references to Dominion CEO Eric Coomer across 4 pages of the filing. There is also an amount of testimony from whistleblowers.



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posted by VD @ 11/26/2020 04:44:00 AM Mailing List signup 42 comments

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Thanks for the excellent post. There's so much swirling around, this really clears up what is happening, what needs to happen and how it can happen.
 

Pinecone

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As difficult as it is for President Trump, and for his supporters, I think this tainted election had to be allowed to play out. President Trump is playing 5D chess again.

The fraud, etc. had to be shown to have not just affected a local election, but a national election. He had to show that enemies, foreign and domestic, have been trying to subvert and outright kill our Republic. He was putting it all on the line, in basically a last ditch attempt, for all the marbles, to show the American people just how corrupt things have gotten.

Hopefully, the American people, all of them, will look at the gravity of the situation and realize that he may not only have won the election by the will of the people, but will have averted, hopefully, CWII. Or a communist takeover, which would still have led to ballistic pleasantries, either by the communists or those who can not live under communism.

Happy Thanksgiving, Mr. President, and to all the lawyers who are helping us save the Republic.
 
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