WAR North Korea Main Thread - All things Korea May 27th - June 2nd

Lilbitsnana

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War with N. Korea would bring danger to China, Russia too: Mattis

2017/05/29 07:02


By Chang Jae-soon

WASHINGTON, May 28 (Yonhap) -- A war with North Korea would turn out to be "the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetime" and would also bring danger to Russia and China as well, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis warned Sunday.

Mattis made the remark in an interview with CBS' "Face the Nation," referring to the threat of massive artillery the North amassed on its border with South Korea and stressing the importance of finding a diplomatic solution to the problem.

"A conflict in North Korea would be probably the worst kind of fighting in most people's lifetimes. Why do I say this? The North Korean regime has hundreds of artillery cannons and rocket launchers within range of one of the most densely populated cities on Earth, which is the capital of South Korea," Mattis said.

"We are working with the international community to deal with this issue. This regime is a threat to the region, to Japan, to South Korea. And in the event of war, they would bring danger to China and to Russia as well," he said. "The bottom line is it would be a catastrophic war if this turns into a combat if we're not able to resolve this situation through diplomatic means."



Mattis also said the North makes progress on its missile program with each test regardless of if it's successful or not. He also said the North is a threat not only to the region but also "a direct threat to the United States."

"They have been very clear in their rhetoric we don't have to wait until they have an intercontinental ballistic missile with a nuclear weapon on it to say that now it's manifested completely," he said.

Mattis declined to talk about the "red line" about the North.

"The president needs political maneuver room on this issue. We do not draw red lines unless we intend to carry them out. We've made very clear that we're willing to work with China, and we believe China has tried to be helpful in this regard," he said.

Asked about when the North would get to the point of no return, Mattis only said, "I don't want to put a timeline on it. At this time, what we know, I'd prefer to keep silent about because we may actually know some things the North Koreans don't even know."

jschang@yna.co.kr

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Lilbitsnana

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Rav Vadgama‏Verified account @TVRav 1m1 minute ago

UPDATE: Japanese authorities confirm there is NO damage to vessels or aircraft from the DPRK missile launch into its waters
 

Lilbitsnana

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Yonhap News Agency‏ @YonhapNews 27s27 seconds ago

White House: Trump briefed on N. Korea missile launch
 

Lilbitsnana

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It's the successful SLBM launch from offshore that will get peoples panties in a wad and cause sleepless nights.

ETA: I should say "another one" since they did supposedly fire one from a sub last year.


http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2017/05/29/0200000000AEN20170529001200315.html


White House: Trump briefed on N. Korea missile launch


2017/05/29 07:19


WASHINGTON, May 28 (Yonhap) -- U.S. President Donald Trump has been briefied on North Korea's latest missile launch, a White House official said Sunday.

"The United States government is aware. The president has been briefed," the unidentified National Security Council official said, according to White House pool reports.

South Korea's military said the North fired what appeared to be a Scud-type missile off its east coast and the missile flew about 450 kilometers before landing in the East Sea.

It marked the North's ninth missile test this year, and the third in about a week.

The North fired a mid-range missile, known as the Pukguksong-2, on May 21 and conducted a KN-06 surface-to-air guided missile test on Saturday.

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Lilbitsnana

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Little man said he would test every week, so why are people surprised?


morettiphd‏ @morettiphd 1m1 minute ago

We've reached the point where we're getting a DPRK missile test every Sunday... A "missal" in the morning and a "missile" in the afternoon
 

Lilbitsnana

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updated:

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2017/05/29/0200000000AEN20170529000652320.html

(2nd LD) N. Korea fires ballistic missile: S. Korea

2017/05/29 07:35



(ATTN: UPDATES throughout with flight distance, other details; MODIFIES headline)

SEOUL, May 29 (Yonhap) -- North Korea fired a ballistic missile from its eastern coast early Monday morning, which flew about 450 kilometers, South Korea's military said.

The missile is believed to be a Scud type, according to the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS).

It was launched eastward from the vicinity of Wonsan, Gangwon Province, at around 5:39 a.m., it said, adding South Korea and the United States are analyzing more information.

"Our military is keeping a close watch on the possibility of an additional provocation by North Korea and is maintaining full preparedness," the JCS said.

The North's latest action was immediately reported to President Moon Jae-in, who ordered related government officials to convene a National Security Council meeting.

The session started at 7:30 a.m., presided over by Moon's national security adviser Chung Eui-yong.

It marked the communist nation's ninth missile test this year and the third since the launch of the Moon administration, which is seeking to reach out to the communist neighbor.

The North fired a mid-range missile, known as the Pukguksong-2, on May 21 and conducted a KN-06 surface-to-air guided missile test Saturday.

U.S. President Donald Trump was also briefed on the North's provocation, a White House official said.

The Japanese government strongly denounced the North as the missile appears to have landed in waters near its territory.

"This ballistic missile launch by North Korea is highly problematic from the perspective of the safety of shipping and air traffic, and is a clear violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said.

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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
CREEPING UP TO a hair trigger response that the whole world will call unexpected and an over-reaction.....
(And be wrong, fundamentally wrong.)

Some highly decorated PhD wearing guys in a squash court in Chicago used to call it "tickling the tail of the tiger (or dragon)". That that squash court still exists tells us that THEY never got too close...

KJU is highly likely to cross into the bad zone.
 

Vegas321

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Fat Boy has no balls to fire a missile towards China in the Yellow sea. Time is just about up...
 

Lilbitsnana

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Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 13m13 minutes ago

NK's been firing missiles every 7-8 days: 5/14; 5/21 & 5/28. Fired at 5:30am from Wonsan & flew for 6 minutes
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

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'This ballistic missile launch by North Korea is highly problematic'

Boy, that statement will set Mr. Kim back on his wheels for a while...not.
SS
 

Lilbitsnana

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S. Korea condemns N.K. provocation, vows to take stern action

2017/05/29 09:44


SEOUL, May 29 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's foreign ministry strongly condemned North Korea's latest missile test Monday, vowing to take stern action against any provocation.

The North fired a ballistic missile believed to be a Scud type early Monday morning. It was launched eastward from near Wonsan before landing in the East Sea.

"This is a clear violation of the U.N. Security Council's relevant resolutions and poses a serious threat not only to the Korean Peninsula but also to global peace and security," the ministry said in a statement.

"The government will not tolerate any kinds of provocation and take stern action," it added. "The North should stop all provocations immediately and move toward the denuclearization path as quickly as possible."


Monday's test marked the ninth missile provocation this year alone and the third of its kind since the inauguration of South Korean President Moon Jae-in on May 10.

The latest provocation came amid growing calls for stepped-up sanctions against the North apparently bent on honing its missile and nuclear capabilities.


Last week, the heads of the group of seven advanced countries agreed that North Korea "increasingly poses new levels of threat of a grave nature to international peace and stability."

They urged the North to comply with all relevant resolutions that ban it from using ballistic technology, while calling on Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear and missile programs in a complete, verifiable and irreversible manner.

kokobj@yna.co.kr

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They urged the North to comply with all relevant resolutions that ban it from using ballistic technology, while calling on Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear and missile programs in a complete, verifiable and irreversible manner.

Well, they said that Saturday and he responded Monday (NK time).
 

Vegas321

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The SK and Japan's governments statements every time the Norks shoot a round at them, has become laughable, and sounds like spineless UN speak. Both governments should not issue statements and remain silent.

The worst words in military matters is "Condemn" and "Provocation." Totally useless, and makes you look weak.
 

Housecarl

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I figured this would be of some use to the us here....

For links see article source.....
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http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1203226/north-korean-wmd-a-guide-to-online-resources/

NORTH KOREAN WMD: A GUIDE TO ONLINE RESOURCES
by Joshua Pollack | May 22, 2017 | 6 Comments

North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs are the topic du jour in the WMD world, but if you’re trying to get smart about the subject, where should you turn? The amount of material never gets any smaller, and you’ve nearly got to be an expert in your own right to judge what’s what.

I won’t try to catalogue and evaluate everything out there. Instead, I’d like to point out a handful of good things, say why I think they’re good, and note any concerns or qualifications. My emphasis will be both on recent, up-to-date publications and on older materials of enduring value. I’m also sticking with what’s openly accessible online, in English. A survey of the published literature is out of scope for today, and I’m not qualified to sift works in Korean, Japanese, etc. The focus, furthermore, will be on Weapons of Mass Destruction, with one partial exception: materials concerning how the regime functions and sees the world. That tells us, among other things, why WMD are so important to Pyongyang.

Obviously this is not a comprehensive list, and it represents only my own judgments. Also, I have no intention of keeping this page up to date. What you see is what you get! Enjoy.


The single most comprehensive resource

The NTI North Korea WMD country profile. A sprawling collection of useful material, updated a few times a year: nukes, chem, bio, missiles, production facilities, the whole deal. Caveat: It’s so big that it can’t easily be reviewed and refreshed in its entirety as new information comes to light. But by the same token, it’s the single resource that’s closest to exhaustive.

The missile program

The NTI/CNS North Korea missile test database. Created and maintained by Shea Cotton and colleagues and first released in April 2017, this is most current and complete publicly available dataset on North Korean missile tests and space launches.

Joseph S. Bermudez Jr., “A History of Ballistic Missile Development in the DPRK,” CNS Occasional Paper No. 2, Nov. 1999. Although this paper is getting long in the tooth, I still find myself returning to it.

Daniel A. Pinkston, “The North Korean Ballistic Missile Program,” Strategic Studies Institute, US Army War College, Feb. 2008. This one is also getting old, but is particularly valuable for its look at North Korean science and technology, which remains under-examined in English-language publications.

Joseph S. Bermudez Jr., “DPRK Ballistic Missile Infrastructure: The Tae-sung Machine Plant,” KPA Journal, Vol. 2, No. 5, May 2011. A good look at North Korea’s primary missile-building complex, at least for liquid-fueled missiles.

Joshua Pollack, “Ballistic Trajectory: The Evolution of North Korea’s Ballistic Missile Market,” Nonproliferation Review, Vol. 18, No. 2, July 2011. Pretty much what the title says: a reconstruction of the changing patterns of North Korean ballistic missile exports. [Caveat: This was written just as missile-related exchanges with Burma/Myanmar were starting to come to light, and it doesn’t capture that story.]

Jeffrey Lewis, Melissa Hanham, and Amber Lee, “That Ain’t My Truck: Where North Korea Assembled Its Chinese Transporter-Erector-Launchers,” 38North.org, Feb. 3, 2014. A virtuoso sleuthing effort, identifying the specific building inside North Korea where its first ICBM launch vehicles were assembled. This is not easy to do!

Twitter. Some of the best high-resolution photographs and rapid analysis of North Korean missile displays and tests can be found here. Some of the most active feeds belong to Tal Inbar, Xu Tianran, Joseph Dempsey, Dave Schmerler, Melissa Hanham, Scott LaFoy, Ankit Panda, and Nathan J. Hunt.

David Wright’s blog posts at AllThingsNuclear.org. Lately, as North Korea has begun testing missiles of longer ranges, it has been “lofting” them, that is, shooting them higher than normal, so they fall well short of their maximum range, and don’t land in Japan or fly over it. David Wright has been rapidly doing the math to estimate their full range.

The ArmsControlWonk podcast. North Korean missile tests are a regular feature here, in discussions usually featuring Jeffrey Lewis, Aaron Stein, and Scott LaFoy.

The nuclear program

Mary Beth Nikitin, “North Korea’s Nuclear Weapons: Technical Issues,” Congressional Research Service report RL34256, Apr. 3, 2013. This report cries out for an update, but it covers just about everything you want to know through early 2013. It’s probably the single best resource as of that date.

Daniel Wertz and Matthew McGrath, “North Korea’s Nuclear Weapons Program,” National Committee on North Korea, Jan. 2016. In the absence of an update from Nikitin, this eight-page brief must do! It covers a great deal.

Balazs Szalontai and Sergey Radchenko, “North Korea’s Efforts to Acquire Nuclear Technology and Nuclear Weapons: Evidence from Russian and Hungarian Archives,” Cold War International History Project Working Paper No. 53, August 2006. A remarkable collection of translated archival materials from the Cold War. More documents have since become available at the Wilson Center Digital Archive. This is not a casual read, but it’s essential for serious researchers.

Choe Sang-hun, “North Korea Learning to Make Crucial Nuclear Parts, Study Finds,” New York Times, Sep. 23, 2013. A look at North Korea’s efforts toward reducing dependence on imported equipment and materials for uranium enrichment, a strategy with implications for other strategic programs as well.

Jeffrey Lewis and Nathaniel Taylor, “North Korea’s Nuclear Year in Review—And What’s Next,” NTI.org, Dec. 20, 2016. This feature includes an extraordinary 3-D interactive map and VR tour of the Punggye-ri nuclear test site. It starkly concludes that North Korea is preparing for a very large number of underground nuclear tests, and has the option of conducting much larger tests than before.

Frank Pabian and David Coblentz, “North Korea’s Punggye-ri Nuclear Test Site: Analysis Reveals Its Potential for Additional Testing with Significantly Higher Yields,” 38North.org, Mar. 10, 2017. A more detailed analysis that nicely complements the previous item in this list.

David Albright, Sarah Burkhard, Mark Gorwitz, and Allison Lach, “North Korea’s Lithium 6 Production for Nuclear Weapons,” ISIS-online.org, Mar. 17, 2017. A study that uses North Korean scientific literature, among other sources, to assess the country’s progress toward making hydrogen bombs.

Nuclear military strategy

Max Fisher, “The Hidden Messages in North Korea’s Military Parade,” NYTimes.com, Apr. 18, 2017. An evaluation of the roles of the array of missiles, new and old, displayed in Pyongyang this April 15.

Bonnie Berkowitz, Laris Karklis, and Tim Meko, “North Korea showed off a lot of missiles. What might be its targets?“, WashingtonPost.com, May 18, 2017. The authors take up the flip side of the coin, looking into specific targets for nuclear strikes. Both of these features avoid the jargon of Western nuclear strategy (“counterforce” and “countervalue”), allowing the authors to try to assess North Korea’s approach on its own terms.

Chemical and biological weapons

“North Korea’s Chemical and Biological Weapons Programs,” International Crisis Group Asia Report No. 167, Jun. 18, 2009. A wide-ranging look at both types of weapons and their role in North Korean military thinking, to the extent we can know. (Crisis Group reports don’t list authors, but this one appeared when Daniel Pinkston was their guy in Seoul.)

Mark Fitzpatrick, “North Korean Proliferation Challenges: The Role of the European Union,” EU Non-proliferation Consortium, Non-proliferation Report No. 12, June 2012. Don’t be misled by the subtitle; this 16-page brief is of interest to more than EU readers. It distills the main points of a much larger publication on North Korea produced by the International Institute for Strategic Studies in 2011 (not available online). Unfortunately, the nuclear and missile sections are now completely out of date, but read it for the chem and bio portions.

Melissa Hanham, “Kim Jong Un Tours Pesticide Facility Capable of Producing Biological Weapons: A 38 North Special Report,” 38North.org, Jul. 9, 2015. Quite simply the best example of using open-source analysis to assess an aspect of North Korean WMD capabilities that has yet been published, blending technical understanding with a keen sense of how the North Korean regime uses ambiguous signals for deterrence or coercion.

North Korean political economy

Kim Kwang Jin, “The Defector’s Tale: Inside North Korea’s Secret Economy,” World Affairs Journal, September-October 2011. (Alternative link if the above doesn’t work.) A penetrating explanation of North Korea’s parallel economies during the Kim Jong Il era (1994-2011): the anemic People’s Economy, and the flush Royal Court Economy, which supports both the ruler’s personal needs and North Korea’s WMD programs.

Choe Sang-hun, “As Economy Grows, North Korea’s Grip on Society is Tested,” New York Times, Apr. 30, 2017. An eye-opening look at how much has changed in the North Korean economy since Kim Jong Un assumed power in December 2011.

Atsuhito Isozaki (with James Person), “Understanding the North Korean Regime,” Wilson Center Asia Program, April 2017. A concise volume that explains North Korean regime ideology, structure, and perceptions through the lens of official propaganda, a rich and deeply revealing set of sources when studied closely. The author, a Japanese scholar, is familiar with a much wider range of scholarship than his American counterparts, having studied Japanese, South Korean, Chinese, and American works. One caveat: in its discussion of North Korean ideology, this monograph dwells on the legacy ideologies of juche sasang (the “self-determination” idea) and songun chongchi (military-first politics), neglecting the emergence of what now appears to be Kim Jong Un’s own signature ideology, jaryok jagang (“self-reliance and self-development”). It’s mentioned briefly in the previous item in the guise of “jagang, or self-empowerment,” but has yet to receive sustained attention in English-language studies of North Korea.

A bonus item

Max Fisher and Jugal K. Patel, “What One Photo Tells Us About North Korea’s Nuclear Program,” New York Times, Feb. 24, 2017. I didn’t know where exactly to place this one in the categories above, but wasn’t about to leave it out. It’s a case study in several methods of open-source analysis, and something I was very pleased to be associated with. This feature shows just how stimulating the study of North Korean WMD can be!

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COMMENTS
Aidan (History)
May 22, 2017 at 1:57 pm
The most comprehensive discussion of North Korea’s ideology would be found in The Cleanest Race by B.R. Myers, and the objectives that the military-first regime has in mind for its nuclear program can be found in this short article.
https://www.nknews.org/2016/02/taking-north-korea-at-its-word/

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Joshua Pollack (History)
May 22, 2017 at 2:13 pm
Myers is a very polemical writer! It’s easy to be contemptuous of others. My own views aren’t entirely different from his, but I think the field would benefit from experts’ not crapping on each other with quite so much gusto, and maybe explaining their reasoning a little more closely. He does it with style, though. Points for that.

Aidan (History)
May 22, 2017 at 2:29 pm
It’s very easy for me to accept his style of writing; I agree with him. If you don’t like his style of writing; we can always get the “nukes are for reunification,” thesis somewhere else. http://rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2017-05-20-0007

Joshua Pollack (History)
May 22, 2017 at 3:34 pm
Well. People have been known to deceive themselves. They have also been known not to read primary sources, the lazy bastards. But if the real work of the scholar is to mock others for not accepting the obvious, surface meaning of things, rather than making a careful case for one’s views, then one could also be exposed to charges of laziness. Attitude isn’t always enough. Besides, it’s better to be moderate in tone if possible. Everyone is wrong sometimes, and it’s easier to make corrections if you’re haven’t climbed too far out into a limb.

Pavel (History)
May 23, 2017 at 3:44 am
Fairly recent paper on NK nuclear complex by Sig Hecker et al: North Korean Nuclear Facilities After the Agreed Framework http://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/khucisacfinalreport_compressed.pdf

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Joshua Pollack (History)
May 23, 2017 at 8:35 am
Thanks, Pavel!
 

Housecarl

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The SK and Japan's governments statements every time the Norks shoot a round at them, has become laughable, and sounds like spineless UN speak. Both governments should not issue statements and remain silent.

The worst words in military matters is "Condemn" and "Provocation." Totally useless, and makes you look weak.

Well if they don't say the usual bravo sierra, Kim et al might think it isn't "business as usual" and get even more squirrely....
 

Lilbitsnana

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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2017/05/29/90/0401000000AEN20170529003000315F.html

Seoul's NSC chief to visit parliament to report on N. Korean missile

2017/05/29 09:38



SEOUL, May 29 (Yonhap) -- The head of South Korea's National Security Council (NSC) was set to visit the National Assembly on Monday to brief ruling and opposition party leaders about the latest missile provocation by North Korea.

Chung Eui-yong, the chairman of the NSC's standing committee, was set to meet with National Assembly Speaker Chung Sye-kyun and floor leaders of four major political parties, according to an official from the presidential office Cheong Wa Dae.

The parties included the ruling Democratic Party, the main opposition Liberty Korea Party and the splinter conservative Bareun Party.

The visit follows an earlier meeting of the NSC prompted by Pyongyang's launch of what appeared to be a Scud-type missile from its eastern Gwangwon Province early Monday.

Cheong Wa Dae officials noted it was a short-range missile that apparently had little to do with the communist state's ongoing development of intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Still, it marked North Korea's third missile launch since South Korea's new President Moon Jae-in came into office on May 10. It marked the ninth North Korean missile launch since the start of the year.

The Seoul government said it will deal sternly with any military provocation from the communist North in a statement released by a spokesman for the foreign ministry.

Chung's visit to the parliament apparently sought to win bipartisan support for government efforts to curb North Korean provocations.

The Moon administration is also moving to restart the six-nation talks on ending North Korea's nuclear ambitions that have been stalled since 2008.

The six-way talks involve both Koreas, Japan, China, Russia and the United States.

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Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
CREEPING UP TO a hair trigger response that the whole world will call unexpected and an over-reaction.....
(And be wrong, fundamentally wrong.)

Some highly decorated PhD wearing guys in a squash court in Chicago used to call it "tickling the tail of the tiger (or dragon)". That that squash court still exists tells us that THEY never got too close...

KJU is highly likely to cross into the bad zone.


the U of Chicago Field House that housed the original reactor was demolished decades ago - the Peace Garden with a monument to the historical event marks the spot ....
 

Lilbitsnana

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It was only in the air for 6 minutes or so...at least the report the Pacific command released said they tracked it for 6 minutes....

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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...missile-lands-japans-exclusive-economic-zone/

North Korea fires apparent Scud-type missile that lands in Japan’s exclusive economic zone
by Jesse Johnson

Staff Writers

May 29, 2017


North Korea fired off an apparent short-range missile Monday morning that was believed to have landed in Japan’s exclusive economic zone — the latest in a spate of ramped-up test-firings that have unnerved the region and the United States.

U.S. Pacific Command said in a statement Monday that it had detected the launch of “a short range ballistic missile” near the eastern coastal city of Wonsan, adding that it had tracked the missile for six minutes until it landed in the Sea of Japan.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga held an emergency news conference early Monday, saying the missile, launched around 5:40 a.m., “is believed to have landed in Japan’s exclusive economic zone,” which extends 200 nautical miles (370 km) from its coast, into the Sea of Japan.

Suga said Japan had already filed a protest with North Korea, using “the strongest wording” to denounce Pyongyang.

“The firing of the ballistic missile of this time is extremely problematic in terms of safety of aircraft and ships,” Suga said. “It also clearly violates resolutions adopted by the United Nations’ Security Council.”

At another news conference later in the day, Suga said the missile was estimated to have landed in the Sea of Japan, some 300 km off Shimane Prefecture’s Oki Islands.

Meanwhile, Defense Minister Tomomi Inada said the ministry believes the missile — judging from the 400-km distance it flew — was of a Scud or Scud variant. The ministry estimated that it had hit a maximum altitude of about 100 km.

“There is nothing about the way the missile flew that suggested its trajectory was in any way extraordinary,” Inada, said, ruling out the possibility it had been tested on either a “depressed” or “lofted” trajectory.


In an apparent bid to tout its quick response time, the Japanese government said that notification that the missile could fall into the EEZ came just 35 minutes after its launch, Kyodo News reported. It took Tokyo about 90 minutes on May 21 and 75 minutes on May 14 for the Defense Ministry to release information on those launches.

Meeting reporters at the Prime Minister’s Office earlier in the day, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, meanwhile, said that Tokyo would “never tolerate” Pyongyang’s repeated provocations.

“To deter North Korea, we, together with the United States, will take concrete actions,” Abe said.


Abe said the leaders of the Group of Seven developed nations, who wrapped up an annual meeting in Taormina, Sicily, on Sunday, have agreed that the North Korean issue is “one of the top priority issues of the international community.”

The launch also came the same day as China’s top diplomat, Yang Jiechi, was due arrive in Japan on a three-day visit. He was scheduled to speak with Shotaro Yachi, head of the National Security Council, on Monday, according to Kyodo, with the launch likely to top the discussions.

Monday’s launch marked the 12th test-firing by the nuclear-armed country this year. It was the first time since early March that a North Korean missile had fallen within Japan’s EEZ. On March 6, three of four extended-range Scud missiles fired by the country landed inside the zone.

North Korean state-run media said those launches were part of rehearsal for striking U.S. military bases in Japan. Analysts said that the hypothetical target of that drill was U.S. Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni in Yamaguchi Prefecture.

The North’s Scuds, which use liquid fuel, are known to have a range of 300-500 km. But it has recently developed a Scud variant, called the Scud-ER (extended range), capable of traveling as far as 1,000 km, putting parts of Japan within range.

North Korea last test-fired a ballistic missile just eight days ago from its east coast and on Sunday said it had tested a new anti-aircraft weapon supervised by leader Kim Jong Un.

Pyongyang said the May 21 test of the Pukguksong-2, a solid-fuel, medium-range missile capable of striking most of Japan, was “perfect” and that the weapon was ready to be deployed “for action.”

Abe had characterized that launch as a “challenge to the world.”

Pyongyang, undeterred by multiple United Nations Security Council sanctions resolutions over its nuclear weapons and missile programs, continues to defy the international community with atomic and rocket tests.

There has been mounting speculation that Pyongyang will conduct a test of an intercontinental ballistic missile, suggested by a New Year’s Day address in which the North Korean leader claimed that the country was in the “final stages” of developing such a weapon.

U.S. President Donald Trump has vowed that a launch of an ICBM by Pyongyang “won’t happen” on his watch.
 

Lilbitsnana

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Firstpost‏Verified account @firstpost 13m13 minutes ago

#China urges #NorthKorea to remain 'calm and restrained'


The Sentinel‏ @TheSentinelCA 1m1 minute ago

The Sentinel Retweeted Alexander Yakovenko

#NORTHKOREA: #Russia condemns #Pyongyang missile test, hopes for more discussions.

The Sentinel added,
Alexander YakovenkoVerified account @Amb_Yakovenko
Russia condemns the recent N.Korean missile tests. It leads nowhere; all sides must keep their calm and discuss the issue.


Daily Express‏Verified account @Daily_Express 36m36 minutes ago

‘Show some restraint!’ #Russia hits out at #northkorea missile test amid #ww3 fears #worldwar3
 

vestige

Deceased
CREEPING UP TO a hair trigger response that the whole world will call unexpected and an over-reaction.....
(And be wrong, fundamentally wrong.)

Some highly decorated PhD wearing guys in a squash court in Chicago used to call it "tickling the tail of the tiger (or dragon)". That that squash court still exists tells us that THEY never got too close...

KJU is highly likely to cross into the bad zone.

It was the dragon Chuck.

(The Strange Death of Louis Slotin)
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ah, yes...sanctions




Tang See Kit‏ @SeeKitCNA 4m4 minutes ago

Sanctions is the way to go to defuse #NorthKorea threat, says chief of National Assembly Research Service in Seoul http://cna.asia/2remQsX

Sanctions have worked so well in the past...not.
But the South Koreans are realizing that the US and Japan do not really care about SK in relation to losing several major cities and the consequences. They are sounding desperate.
South Korea is now not even a very big bone in the coming dogfight.
SS
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Sanctions have worked so well in the past...not.
But the South Koreans are realizing that the US and Japan do not really care about SK in relation to losing several major cities and the consequences. They are sounding desperate.
South Korea is now not even a very big bone in the coming dogfight.
SS

Watch and see if the "practice" run already on the books for evacuating US military (and some civilian) families starts to turn "real;" if that happens you KNOW that war is probably only days or even hours away.

Leaving the families does not mean a strike will not occur, but pulling them out will mean it almost certainly IS going to happen; the regular practice drills have gone on for years, but I think one is on the cards for June.

This could get interesting...
 

Lilbitsnana

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Watch and see if the "practice" run already on the books for evacuating US military (and some civilian) families starts to turn "real;" if that happens you KNOW that war is probably only days or even hours away.

Leaving the families does not mean a strike will not occur, but pulling them out will mean it almost certainly IS going to happen; the regular practice drills have gone on for years, but I think one is on the cards for June.

This could get interesting...

It could have been a bogus news article,
but if what I had read a few weeks ago was legit, they really are supposed to evacuate.

What I read said that Trump wanted to really evacuate all mil family members and civilians so they would know exactly what it really takes and how quickly it can be done.


ETA: I think they would only be gone a day or so.
 
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Melodi

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It could have been a bogus news article,
but if what I had read a few weeks ago was legit, they really are supposed to evacuate.

What I read said that Trump wanted to really evacuate all mil family members and civilians so they would know exactly what it really takes and how quickly it can be done.

OK, let me put it another way; if the practice run turns real in that people evacuate but then do not return home but rather are returned to the US (or another evacuation are) THEN you know things are about to blow.

Actually, taking people totally out of SK as a "drill" would make a perfect "cover" for the chance to do something if the US administration feels they have to; but if they decide that the time is not right then they can just let everyone go home as planned.

If I were in that situation I would try and make sure the plans for my pets and property were in place (they are supposed to be anyway per military families I know) and I think I might ship them Stateside if I had someone who could care for them there.
 

Lilbitsnana

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OK, let me put it another way; if the practice run turns real in that people evacuate but then do not return home but rather are returned to the US (or another evacuation are) THEN you know things are about to blow.

Actually, taking people totally out of SK as a "drill" would make a perfect "cover" for the chance to do something if the US administration feels they have to; but if they decide that the time is not right then they can just let everyone go home as planned.

If I were in that situation I would try and make sure the plans for my pets and property were in place (they are supposed to be anyway per military families I know) and I think I might ship them Stateside if I had someone who could care for them there.
Actually, taking people totally out of SK as a "drill" would make a perfect "cover" for the chance to do something if the US administration feels they have to; but if they decide that the time is not right then they can just let everyone go home as planned.

I had seen a convo on twitter about it which was what prompted me to go looking for an article.

They were discussing where they thought people would be taken to, and comparing it to how past drills and evacs were handled.
 

Melodi

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I had seen a convo on twitter about it which was what prompted me to go looking for an article.

They were discussing where they thought people would be taken to, and comparing it to how past drills and evacs were handled.
When I talked to an airforce wife about this years ago (her family had been in Korea) normally they just are "evacuated" to a staging point; wherein a "real" event, they would then be loaded on to transport out of the country.

When I worked at AFDC and they thought there was going to be a real evacuation, we were told to be prepared for people coming into the Bay Area (and other ports) on both planes and ships; we would be processing their paperwork (I have no idea if AFDC is still the designated civilian agency for this now or not).

I am wondering if "this time" they intend to actually take people OUT of South Korea (maybe to Guam or some other location)? The thing is doing this, even as a drill is going to be horribly expensive; the drills alone already cost a lot but are considered worth it.

But one reason there has never been a full evacuation before is the high cost of doing so, and while a drill wouldn't have the full costs of a total relocation of all military and some civilian families back to the US; it would still be extremely expensive if they went anywhere outside the county.

I don't have any current contacts in South Korea, so I don't know what the plan is for this Summer's drill.
 

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Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 8m8 minutes ago

#SouthKorea says conducted joint drills with #US B-1B strategic bomber http://reut.rs/2qvO6Qu @juminism


Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 26m26 minutes ago

#NorthKorea's KCNA said early this AM #US let a formation of B-1B bombers fly over #SouthKorea to stage "nuclear bomb dropping drill" on Mon


Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 30m30 minutes ago

Reuters: #SouthKorea says conducted joint drills with #US B-1B bomber on Monday



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http://www.reuters.com/article/northkorea-missiles-bomber-idUSS6N1G700N


Mon May 29, 2017 | 9:50pm EDT
S.Korea says conducted joint drills with U.S. B-1B strategic bomber

May 30 South Korea said on Tuesday it had conducted a joint drill with a U.S. supersonic B-1B Lancer bomber after North Korea's state media earlier accused the United States of staging a drill to practise dropping nuclear bombs on the Korean peninsula.

Moon Sang-gyun, a spokesman for the South Korean defence ministry, said the exercise took place on Monday but declined to give further details.

Earlier on Tuesday, North Korea's state media said the B-1B bomber flew over South Korea to stage "a nuclear bomb dropping drill". (Reporting by Ju-min Park and Jack Kim; Editing by Paul Tait)
 

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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2017/05/30/0200000000AEN20170530001300315.html

N. Korea announces successful ballistic missile test

2017/05/30 07:08


SEOUL, May 30 (Yonhap) -- North Korea said Tuesday its latest ballistic missile launch was successful as it was aimed at testing a new precision-guidance system.

The North's leader Kim Jong-un observed the test-firing of the "precision guided ballistic rocket capable of making ultra-precision strike," the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said in an English dispatch.

"The ballistic rocket flew toward the east sky where the day broke and correctly hit a planned target point with deviation of seven meters after flying over the middle shooting range," it said.


The North launched a Scud-type short-range missile early Monday morning from its east coast that flew around 450 kilometers, according to the South Korean and U.S. militaries.

lcd@yna.co.kr

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hiwall

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If they do an evacuation drill, once everyone gets a hundred miles or so south of the DMZ the USA can attack. The evacuees could continue moving away while we pound the crap out of the north
 

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NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 58m58 minutes ago

North Korea Claims New Missile Landed Within 7 Meters of Target https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...launch-of-north-korea-s-new-precision-missile … via @bpolitics



NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 2h2 hours ago

Rodong Sinmum releases 12 pics online of Kim Jong Un and newest missile launch http://www.rodong.rep.kp/ko/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_02&newsID=2017-05-30-0001_photo


^^^ you can see a slideshow of images at that link


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Jeffrey Lewis‏Verified account @ArmsControlWonk 3h3 hours ago

Jeffrey Lewis Retweeted Jeffrey Lewis

It was the beast from the parade.


Jeffrey Lewis added,
Jeffrey Lewis‏Verified account @ArmsControlWonk

This is interesting if it turns out to be this beast from the parade. Otherwise, we've seen Scuds from Wonsan.



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Jesse Johnson‏Verified account @jljzen 3h3 hours ago

North Korea hails test of 'precision-guided' missile as success, vows bigger 'gift package' for U.S. | Japan Times




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North Korea hails test of ‘precision-guided’ missile as success, vows bigger ‘gift package’ for U.S.

by Jesse Johnson

Staff Writer

May 30, 2017


North Korea confirmed Tuesday that it had successfully tested a new “precision-guided” ballistic missile a day earlier, reiterating that it was working to send a bigger “gift package to the Yankees,” likely a veiled reference to a long-range missile capable of striking the continental U.S.

On Monday, the North fired off the missile, which flew some 400 km, into Japan’s exclusive economic zone — a move that prompted Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to vow “concrete measures” in response.

The North’s state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said in the report Tuesday that leader Kim Jong Un had guided the test-firing of the new precision-guided missile, which was displayed for the first time during its massive military parade last month.

In that parade, Pyongyang unveiled a number of new weapons, including an apparent anti-ship missile known as the KN-17, which experts said may have been the missile involved in Monday’s test.


That test, KCNA said, was conducted to verify features of a “new self-propelled launching pad vehicle” and “automated launching preparation processes” in different terrain and conditions.

“The ballistic rocket flew toward the east sky where the day broke and correctly hit a planned target point with deviation of seven meters after flying over the middle shooting range,” the report claimed.

Upon viewing the successful test, Kim was quoted as saying that the “crack shot … would dig up eyes of the enemies.”

Kim also alluded to the North’s quest to master the technology needed to hit the continental United States with a long-range missile.

“In the future the national defense research field should clearly show the might of our self-protecting national defense industry” according to “the timetable and course worked out by the Party,” adding that it “would make greater leap forward in this spirit to send bigger ‘gift package’ to the Yankees.”

There has been mounting speculation that Pyongyang will conduct a test of an intercontinental ballistic missile, suggested by a New Year’s Day address in which the North Korean leader claimed that the country was in the “final stages” of developing such a weapon.


U.S. President Donald Trump has vowed that a launch of an ICBM by Pyongyang “won’t happen” on his watch.

Abe said Monday that Tokyo would “never tolerate” Pyongyang’s repeated provocations, and vowed to work with Washington to rein in the Kim regime’s nuclear and missile ambitions.

“To deter North Korea, we, together with the United States, will take concrete actions,” Abe said. He did not elaborate.

Monday’s launch marked the 12th test-firing by the nuclear-armed country this year. It was the first time since early March that a North Korean missile has fallen within Japan’s EEZ and the fourth time in total. On March 6, three of four Scud-ER (extended-range) missiles fired by the country landed inside the zone.

North Korean state-run media said those launches were part of rehearsal for striking U.S. military bases in Japan. Analysts said that the hypothetical target of that drill was U.S. Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni in Yamaguchi Prefecture.
 

Lilbitsnana

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So they meant it to land in Japan's EEZ? Ballsy.


I know what the Japanese said, but I have seen maps that show it actually hit just outside of their EEZ.

I think it hit where NK wanted it, just not 100% sure it actually hit in the EEZ.
 

Lilbitsnana

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I know what the Japanese said, but I have seen maps that show it actually hit just outside of their EEZ.

I think it hit where NK wanted it, just not 100% sure it actually hit in the EEZ.

Guess this clears it up...a bit anyway...disputed territory?.


Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 8h8 hours ago
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Japan claims its EEZ starts 370km east of Wonsan. If the missile flew 400km, then it's within their territorial EEZ waters, disputed or not.
 

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Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea

Experts think the so called "precision missile" fired by NK is the same one shown on 4/15: a canard-controlled Scud


Replying to @NoonInKorea

The missile was enhanced with a canard toward the tip & thrusters that stabilize the missile from air resistance by dispersing heat.


Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 17m17 minutes ago

The thrusters function the same way Hwasong-12's PBVs do. NK may have shortened the range of this Scud to improve precision & performance.


Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 4m4 minutes ago

So can Scud-Cs function as Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles(ASBM) & feasibly target carriers? Some think yes: the only issue is moving targets.


Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 1m1 minute ago

But NK seems to have added GPS: accuracy may be an issue for moving targets but not so for stationary, land-based targets. Scud-ERs already



Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 57s58 seconds ago
Replying to @NoonInKorea

can precision-target objects at 1,000 km. Not exactly China's Carrier Killer(DF-21D) but it could be a primitive ASBM version for carriers


ETA: he seems to have revised a couple of the tweets, will just add to bottom


Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 6m6 minutes ago

So can Scud-Cs function as Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles(ASBM) & feasibly target carriers? Some think yes in a primitive way; some say no.


Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 3m3 minutes ago

To target carriers, need satellites, over-the-horizon radars & long-dist drones. Carriers are usually hundreds of kms away from the shore.


Noon in Korea‏ @NoonInKorea 12s12 seconds ago
Replying to @NoonInKorea

Plus Aegies ships with SM-3 interceptors protect carriers. But NK's working on better sensors to improve precision: "It's a work in process"
 
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http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2017/05/30/0301000000AEN20170530007600315.html


NationalPolitics/Diplomacy
(URGENT) President orders investigation into unauthorized rocket launchers in THAAD program

2017/05/30 15:32


bdk@yna.co.kr

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Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 40m40 minutes ago

Reuters: #SouthKorea President Moon orders probe on indtroduction of four previously unknown #THAAD launchers -Blue House


Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 19m19 minutes ago

"Shocked" #SouthKorea leader Moon orders probe into extra #US #THAAD launchers http://reut.rs/2qwpOpx #NorthKorea


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http://www.reuters.com/article/northkorea-missiles-south-thaad-idUSS6N1G700O

Tue May 30, 2017 | 2:53am EDT
"Shocked" S.Korea leader Moon orders probe into extra U.S. THAAD launchers

May 30 South Korean President Moon Jae-in has ordered a probe into the introduction of four THAAD anti-missile launchers in addition to two deployed by the U.S. military before his election, his spokesman said on Tuesday.

Moon was "shocked" to hear that the four additional THAAD launchers, deployed to counter the North Korean missile threat, were brought in without being reported to the new government or to the public, presidential spokesman Yoon Young-chan told a media briefing.

The deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system by the U.S. military, agreed by the government of Moon's predecessor, was a controversial issue in the May 10 presidential election and has infuriated China, North Korea's lone major ally.

(Reporting by Jack Kim and Christine Kim; Editing by Nick Macfie)
 

Lilbitsnana

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So, since the new President didn't specifically ask if there were THAADs he didn't know about, the dude didn't tell him. :whistle:



Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 22m22 minutes ago

Reuters: #SouthKorea president orders probe on when, how 4 additional #THAAD launchers in country he was previously unaware of got here.



Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 14m14 minutes ago

MoneyToday: defense min didn't talk about extra #THAAD launchers at de facto transition committee briefing because there was no THAAD Q


Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829

"I didn't tell you about the 4 extra suitcases in your closet because you didn't ask about it."
 
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