WAR North Korea Main Thread - All things Korea April 20th - 26th - CLOSED

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Heliobas Disciple

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A guess would be "Confirmed Fusion Device" or "Confirmed viable miniaturized Device"

good guesses. I can get on board with those.

All I know, or am thinking right now, is that it's something. Something new, that had to be discussed behind closed doors, with everyone present to get them on board. Otherwise he would have just attacked and went for approval within the 30 day window. He wants them to know and to not go on the MSM and start questioning him or the mission. He needs them to be on the same page and he's sharing the intel in advance.

HD
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Question--I heard barely anything about this on MSM RADIO (all I had at work) this afternoon, and missed the nightly sp(n)ews from the TV-MSM.

Is there any sense of fear, anxiety, foreboding---or even awareness---on the part of the sheeple yet?


Or is this going to hit them like a ton of bricks, when it comes?


I keep thinking of the verse, "Like a SNARE it shall come upon the whole earth..."



whoosh----SNAP!!!
 

Lilbitsnana

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NK works closely with Iran,
so no ISIS ties.

The Sarin being used recently comes from Turkey & leftovers from the Iran/Iraq war
which was smuggled into Syria after Saddam fell.

The nuke stuff (some 'product, but mainly test data)
going to Iran is really the problem.
(Other than Kim using it himself in SK or on Japan.)

But, a few (two?) years ago, Baghdadi did make a trip to NK (or it was said he did and I saw the info from enough previously accurate sources, that I believed the info); just something to consider.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Nah. DWTS is fixed, the tOSU first round draft pick has evidence he wasn't the guy who raped the gal downtown in CLE 2-3 weeks ago, the NFL Draft is this week, and the NBA Playoffs are shaping up for the second round.
Lebron brought 125 of his LBJFamily Foundtion school kids to the local TV station...

Now WHAT piddly thing were you asking about, again????
 

Lilbitsnana

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Iran too. But since Adm Harris mentioned ISIS first in this morning's briefing about SE Asia, before even NK, I was wondering if it was ISIS related. (see transcript posted above). And of course, Syria was supposed to have no chem weapons capabilities left, and it was just confirmed the sarin came from them. Where did they get it? Did they rebuild factories to make it or did they purchase it or components for it from NK? Things like that are running through my mind tonight because I am thinking about what exactly did they tell the senators and the house members that we don't all already know from multiple news sources? Has to be something new, something classified, something we aren't already discussing.

HD

ETA due to cross posting:



Still wondering about the ISIS references this morning. Kim needs money, he may not discriminate just because Iran is shia and ISIS is sunni and are natural enemies. The original sarin from Turkey, and leftover from Iraq was supposedly all destroyed, per 0bama and company. Officially anyway that's the story. So this could possibly be new sarin. That's what I was wondering about. And of course any collusion between NK and Iran is a huge issue and I'm not discounting that at all, but it's more obvious and I was trying to point the less obvious.

HD

There are some battle hardened and trained ISIS fighters returning to their countries of origin and they are worried about new fronts opening up in the fight against ISIS.

Russia has some returning, China and several others in the area also have them returning. You already have several well established pro-ISIS or ISIS groups in Asia already scattered around.
 
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Sacajawea

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In the category of "things they talked about that we don't know about" - let me suggest it might be something cyber-related. The US has already said they'd consider a major cyber-attack an act of war.
 

Lilbitsnana

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A guess would be "Confirmed Fusion Device" or "Confirmed viable miniaturized Device"

Just my opinion, and it isn't much, but I have thought and posted here for a year or two (longer?) that they already had a miniaturized device.

I think it was the use of filament (as was seen in the parade) that has been the unnerving thing. Using that tech, suddenly, their missiles/delivery systems are a lot lighter and stronger and can do the job.
 
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Millwright

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NORK will gas the south first.

His nukes will be held in reserve.

When he decides to go, kju will try for maximum fatalities.
 

Possible Impact

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Originally Posted by Possible Impact
A guess would be "Confirmed Fusion Device" or "Confirmed viable miniaturized Device"
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Just my opinion, and it isn't much, but I have thought and posted here for a year or two (longer?) that they already had a miniaturized device.

I think it was the use of filament (as was seen in the parade) that has been the unnerving thing. Using that tech, suddenly, their missiles are a lot lighter and stronger and can do the job.

Your opinion is very valuable!
(I know you're not a Nuclear Scientist or an Astrophysicist,
but you are a very good researcher.)

The new wound-filament solid rocket casing construction technique will extend
the range quite a bit.

My thoughts on any recent new 'device' info was possibly that
it was now 'confirmed' versus simply technically feasible, or 'extrapolated'
as near operational from older data.

(This confirmation would probably cause a Ruckus,
and we seem to be watching a real Ruckus from many World Powers.)
 

Lilbitsnana

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I keep seeing those who attended the briefings today say the same things, just worded differently; interesting.

Anderson Cooper 360°‏Verified account @AC360 1h1 hour ago

.@SenDuckworth on WH North Korea briefing: "I could've gotten all that information by reading a newspaper"




Jeffrey Lewis‏Verified account @ArmsControlWonk 3h3 hours ago

Jeffrey Lewis Retweeted Frank Thorp V

"It was ok."

Jeffrey Lewis added,
Frank Thorp VVerified account @frankthorp
CORKER on North Korea briefing at WH: "It was an OK briefing"

Q: What do you mean, you didn't really learn much?…
 

Lilbitsnana

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huh? Dem comments vs Repub?


Steve Herman‏Verified account @W7VOA 9m9 minutes ago

US lawmakers get classified #DPRK briefings they describe as sobering, thorough and thoughtful. http://www.voanews.com/a/us-senator-briefing-north-korea/3826491.html





I keep seeing those who attended the briefings today say the same things, just worded differently; interesting.

Anderson Cooper 360°‏Verified account @AC360 1h1 hour ago

.@SenDuckworth on WH North Korea briefing: "I could've gotten all that information by reading a newspaper"




Jeffrey Lewis‏Verified account @ArmsControlWonk 3h3 hours ago

Jeffrey Lewis Retweeted Frank Thorp V

"It was ok."

Jeffrey Lewis added,
 

Johnny Reb

Senior Member
Watching the ADS-B Exchange website. Lots of C-17 assets airborne over CONUS. Tacamo and tanker assets up as well. Only one P-8 up
 

Michael111

Membership Revoked
Look at all the ships, subs, China has moved troops, Russia has moved troops, setting up the THAAD you can pretty much see what's coming, the U.S. Bombers from Guam will be flying to South Korea in a day or 2 for drills. It's easy to see what's coming.
 

colonel holman

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the fact that out of 100 senators meeting key bosses at white house, none have leaked like the seive they always have been...tells me they got the crap seriously scared out of them, to the point of silence. Yeah, it has only been hours, but usually that is enough time for them to spill guts on anything.
 

AlfaMan

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Where are the TACAMO assets located? One east coast, one west coast location?
Do you see any RC-135's outbound CONUS in the gaggle of tanker assets?
JUST had a flurry of Blackhawks and MDW Hueys come over the house at VIP carrying altitude heading towards DC. One Huey is circling around the Potomac river.
Something may be cooking.

Watching the ADS-B Exchange website. Lots of C-17 assets airborne over CONUS. Tacamo and tanker assets up as well. Only one P-8 up
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Where are the TACAMO assets located? One east coast, one west coast location?
Do you see any RC-135's outbound CONUS in the gaggle of tanker assets?
JUST had a flurry of Blackhawks and MDW Hueys come over the house at VIP carrying altitude heading towards DC. One Huey is circling around the Potomac river.
Something may be cooking.

IIRC you have one at Andrews (as well as Kneecap) and another one is PRIMARILY hangared at Tinker (IIRC).


The BIG question is has anyone seen LOOKINGGLASS up???
 

Housecarl

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Drudge headline just now:


KIM READIES FOR WAR
SENATORS TOLD 'VERY GRAVE'
HAWAII THREAT NOW

Recall I've posted these maps before....Merde....

ms-2016-north-korea-missiles-map.jpg

http://static6.businessinsider.com/...626-1898/ms-2016-north-korea-missiles-map.jpg

missile-ranges.jpg

http://38north.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/missile-ranges.jpg

then add that to my earlier "rant"....http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...0th-26th&p=6440080&highlight=rant#post6440080

We've seen imagery of the North Koreans testing RV shells with rocket motors, the same way we did, and the "disco ball" with enough stuff around it and the missiles and RV's to get good size estimates and I'll wager a dozen full high end donuts a lot of those "missile tests" we've been seeing weren't SCUDs or Nodongs but related to their solid fuel program using ambiguous flight trajectories to confuse what exactly did get flown including dumby stages and other "stuff".
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Drudge headline just now:


KIM READIES FOR WAR
SENATORS TOLD 'VERY GRAVE'
HAWAII THREAT NOW

Wonder if that's the reason Obama is keeping his big fat mouth shut?

As few loyalties to anything truly American that he does have, he at least seems to care for his "home" state!
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Has to do with the projection used to take a generally spherical shape and representing it in 2 dimensions rather than 3....and the difficulty of representing the various ranges to be shown.

(The word floating in my spongiform memory is orthogonal projection but I wouldn't bet the car payment on that being accurate)

And the rotational speed of the earth.
 

bsharp

Veteran Member
We should show that map to all of the illegal aliens. They may decide Mexico or South America is a better bet right now.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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They had to take a sphere, flatten it out and get all the important places in an 8x10 glossy.....with circles & arrows and a paragraph on the back.
 

Fetz

Senior Member
That's a Mercator projection map of the globe. See how the radius of each rocket range is distorted at the higher latitudes. On a real globe they would be circles.
 

Be Well

may all be well
But, a few (two?) years ago, Baghdadi did make a trip to NK (or it was said he did and I saw the info from enough previously accurate sources, that I believed the info); just something to consider.

Merely my intuition and from what (little compared to others here) that I've read, I have a feeling that the Nork thing and Iran thing and the US bombing Syria thing are all very tightly connected....
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Merely my intuition and from what (little compared to others here) that I've read, I have a feeling that the Nork thing and Iran thing and the US bombing Syria thing are all very tightly connected....

and the "Israel" bombing the Damascus airport thing........
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Posted this on the senate thread but adding here as well:

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nor...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
(fair use applies)

(2nd LD) Trump aims to pressure N.K. into dismantling nuclear, missile programs through sanctions, diplomatic measures
2017/04/27 06:53
By Chang Jae-soon

WASHINGTON, April 26 (Yonhap) -- U.S. President Donald Trump aims to pressure North Korea into dismantling its nuclear and missile programs through economic sanctions and diplomatic measures while remaining open to negotiations, top U.S. officials said in a rare joint statement Wednesday.

"North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons is an urgent national security threat and top foreign policy priority. Upon assuming office, President Trump ordered a thorough review of U.S. policy pertaining to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK)," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense James Mattis and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said in a joint statement.

"Today, along with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joe Dunford, we briefed members of Congress on the review. The president's approach aims to pressure North Korea into dismantling its nuclear, ballistic missile, and proliferation programs by tightening economic sanctions and pursuing diplomatic measures with our allies and regional partners," the statement said.

The statement was issued after the officials held a highly unusual briefing on North Korea policy for all 100 senators at the White House in a move that underlines the urgency and seriousness the Trump administration attaches to the problem. A similar briefing was held on Capitol Hill for members of the House of Representatives.

It is unprecedented for the White House to hold such a special briefing for the Senate about a single foreign policy problem. It is also believed to be the first time that such top U.S. security officials have issued a joint statement on North Korea.

The statement said that past efforts have failed to halt North Korea's unlawful weapons programs and nuclear and ballistic missile tests, adding that with each provocation, North Korea jeopardizes stability in Northeast Asia and "poses a growing threat to our allies and the U.S. homeland."

What also stands out is the emphasis on the need for dialogue with the North as well as the lack of any mention or suggestion of the possibility of military action, such as the phrase "all options are on the table."

"We are engaging responsible members of the international community to increase pressure on the DPRK in order to convince the regime to de-escalate and return to the path of dialogue. We will maintain our close coordination and cooperation with our allies, especially the Republic of Korea and Japan, as we work together to preserve stability and prosperity in the region," it said.

"The United States seeks stability and the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean peninsula. We remain open to negotiations towards that goal. However, we remain prepared to defend ourselves and our allies," the statement said.

Even a mention of dialogue with the North can be considered a big change for the tough-talking Trump administration.

During a visit to South Korea last month, Tillerson even said that two decades of diplomatic efforts to disarm the North have failed, and there was no point in pursuing the diplomatic path any longer. He also said that the U.S. was considering a wide range of options, including the use of military force.

The new policy does not appear much different from that of former President Barack Obama, known as "strategic patience," which centered on waiting for Pyongyang to show good faith and return to denuclearization talks while increasing sanctions and pressure on the regime.

That illustrates the grim reality that other than imposing tougher sanctions and strengthening deterrence and defensive measures against the provocative regime, there's not much the U.S. can do about it that does not risk a war.

Differences from Obama's North Korea policy, if any, would likely be the level of appeal and pressure the U.S. puts on China to exercise more of its leverage as the North's main food and energy provider to rein in the provocative regime in Pyongyang.

Since his first summit meetings with Chinese President Xi Jinping earlier this month, Trump has repeatedly praised China for trying to increase pressure on the North while at the same time holding out the prospect of a better trade deal with the U.S. if China solves the problem.

Despite the mention of a need for dialogue, the main focus of U.S. policy is likely to be on pressure.

A senior White House official said during a background briefing that the U.S. is considering relisting the North as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Tillerson also said last week that the U.S. is looking at various ways to "bring pressure to bear on the regime in Pyongyang to reengage with us on a different footing than the past talks have been held," including putting Pyongyang back to the terror sponsors' list.

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here's a twitter image of the statement:
https://twitter.com/38NorthNK

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jpigott

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Look at all the ships, subs, China has moved troops, Russia has moved troops, setting up the THAAD you can pretty much see what's coming, the U.S. Bombers from Guam will be flying to South Korea in a day or 2 for drills. It's easy to see what's coming.

Respect your opinion and agree that preparations look to be underway for some type of kinetic strike on NK, but I just can't make the jump in reasoning to us actually following thru. Any type of serious (even if limited) strike against NK regime assets seriously risks setting in motion Korean War II. I'll belive it when I see 4+ carrier groups in theater, wide scale US troop mobilization and even then I wouldn't buy it until I hear the big birds have taken off from Whiteman AFB. Given the proximity of NK and US/SK forces and the fact NK is largely already forward deployed - escalation control is going to be a mother.
 

Lilbitsnana

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Merely my intuition and from what (little compared to others here) that I've read, I have a feeling that the Nork thing and Iran thing and the US bombing Syria thing are all very tightly connected....

pretty high odds on being correct
 

Housecarl

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Respect your opinion and agree that preparations look to be underway for some type of kinetic strike on NK, but I just can't make the jump in reasoning to us actually following thru. Any type of serious (even if limited) strike against NK regime assets seriously risks setting in motion Korean War II. I'll belive it when I see 4+ carrier groups in theater, wide scale US troop mobilization and even then I wouldn't buy it until I hear the big birds have taken off from Whiteman AFB. Given the proximity of NK and US/SK forces and the fact NK is largely already forward deployed - escalation control is going to be a mother.

With the RoK, US and Japanese aircraft available in theater you've got a lot more than the equivalent of 4 air wings. The Nimitz strike group is "working up" right now off the West Coast and could be off Korea in less than 10 days. Reagan and her group probably the same or less if they rush the maintenance work that has her in the yard.

That doesn't even get into the number of SSBNs that could be brought into the contingency planning.

More US ground troops at this point would just get in the way since the basing for them for any real length of time is long gone.
 
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