No Paul = No Vote in November
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mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Romney isn't Obama.
You can vet Romney. He is a known known. And, I don't believe he has been proven evil by any stretch.
Obama is a manufactured entity who has beguiled nearly 50% of the nation without accomplishing anything, ever. Well, except putting this nation on the fast tract to destruction.
Voting for Ron Paul is a great show of patriotism. But, it is just a show.
At one time, I thought perhaps if enough Senators and Congress folk are elected who stand with the Constitution then perhaps we have a chance. Recent actions show it is a tough road ahead.
But, that is the only road left on the federal level.
Forget about the presidential race.
The work must be done in the trenches.
If Obama is re-elected, he needs to be impeached.
The only way to make that happen is to control both the house and the senate.
All pressure must be put upon him to resign.
If I were Ron Paul's people, I would urge him to leave the race after getting an agreement with Romney or who ever the chosen one is deemed to be. That agreement would be that he be elevated to the role of the head of the Federal Reserve.
You want to see the system squirm and the pucker factor piqued in the establishment?
Put RP in as head of the fed.
That, there, is some serious "change".
Mike
You can vet Romney. He is a known known. And, I don't believe he has been proven evil by any stretch.
Obama is a manufactured entity who has beguiled nearly 50% of the nation without accomplishing anything, ever. Well, except putting this nation on the fast tract to destruction.
Voting for Ron Paul is a great show of patriotism. But, it is just a show.
At one time, I thought perhaps if enough Senators and Congress folk are elected who stand with the Constitution then perhaps we have a chance. Recent actions show it is a tough road ahead.
But, that is the only road left on the federal level.
Forget about the presidential race.
The work must be done in the trenches.
If Obama is re-elected, he needs to be impeached.
The only way to make that happen is to control both the house and the senate.
All pressure must be put upon him to resign.
If I were Ron Paul's people, I would urge him to leave the race after getting an agreement with Romney or who ever the chosen one is deemed to be. That agreement would be that he be elevated to the role of the head of the Federal Reserve.
You want to see the system squirm and the pucker factor piqued in the establishment?
Put RP in as head of the fed.
That, there, is some serious "change".
Mike
The progressives are loving this thread and seeing a possible light at the end of the tunnel.
Q: What's almost as good as getting a conservative or libertarian to vote for Obama?
A: Getting them to stay home and not vote at all.
Divide and conquer is the earliest and one of the most effective of war strategies.
ETA: If you think the past 3 years have been bad, can you imagine what the next 5 will be like? Vote now. You may not get another chance.
Q: What's almost as good as getting a conservative or libertarian to vote for Obama?
A: Getting them to stay home and not vote at all.
Divide and conquer is the earliest and one of the most effective of war strategies.
ETA: If you think the past 3 years have been bad, can you imagine what the next 5 will be like? Vote now. You may not get another chance.
undead
Veteran Member
yeah, "gee, let's have 4 years of untethered communism with Hussein!!!! wooo hoooo!!!!"
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Romney isn't Obama.
You can vet Romney. He is a known known. And, I don't believe he has been proven evil by any stretch.
And the insanity of the sheep continues....
You can vet Romney. He is a known known. And, I don't believe he has been proven evil by any stretch.
And the insanity of the sheep continues....
Yeah, and when this country is completely destroyed you can tell your grandchildren about the grand stand you made to contribute by not doing a darn thing to stop it.
You can protest vote all you want but that is all it is and nobody is listening.
You might as well be a tree falling in the woods.
Rant all you want, all of you who refuse to vote to STOP Obama WILL be held accountable by the rest of us if Obama wins re-election and you could have helped stop it.
Romney is not someone who I want to vote for but if he is our only nope that stands in the way of Obama getting re-election, I will vote for him.
I will not help pave the way for Obama by throwing my vote away for someone who cannot win.
Agreed. Romney would not be my choice. But, he can't possibly be as bad as Obama will be/has been.
Knock it off Dennis. You know darn well Ron Paul cannot win the nomination or the election. So the only one who is a sheep are those who keep this drama going about Ron Paul and two sides of the same coin while our country is being taken over by coup and you are making it known that you aren't going to do anything to stop it.
Bracing for your wrath. Have at it. I'm getting used to it.
Piss off. You status quo freaks deserve exactly what you're going to get. Should Romney win, and I hear ANY ONE OF YOU BITCH ABOUT ANYTHING HE DOES, you are OUTTA HERE.
Perhaps you should put in the forum rules that anyone that disagrees with you will be banned. Or maybe you should rethink what you just posted and run it passed the other administrators, etc. It sets a very poor tone for this board.
Calm down Dennis before you have a heart attack and stay away from the Stephen King lit if it is going to wind you up this much.
rhughe13
Heart of Dixie
Obama is just using the evil tools left to him by previous administrations. These people have on blinders and can't see 10 foot in front of themselves anyway. Freedom and intelligence don't always come together in a package. lol
MDINMT
Veteran Member
I get a kick out of some of you that think we should just give up our belief that RP is the ONLY one that can bring us back from the brink, and vote for the retard Romney. Who as Gov of MA gave us the template for Ocare and suppressed second amendment rights in that state. Most of you admit(even if only to yourselves) that Romney is little if any better than whats in there now. Freak'in amazes me.
Just one question before you can feel free to ban me, Dennis. Isn't the definition of "status quo" that nothing changes? So, how does keeping Obama in office make you feel as though you are making a difference?
Now, feel free to ban away. Your constant threats to ban those that disagree with you, bores me. Be like Nike, and just do it.
IF you vote for Romney, he is absolutely a republican Obama.
IF you vote for Romney and think he'll do anything differently, you're bat-shit crazy.
IF you vote for Romney and then complain about what the candidate that YOU voted for (against all rational recommendations) does, I'll toss your ass.
Because if YOU vote for him, YOU OWN HIM, so you'd better STFU about anything he does that you don't agree with.
I can't get any clearer than that. YOUR MAN, SO DON'T YOU DARE BITCH ABOUT HIM. PERIOD.
IF you vote for Romney and think he'll do anything differently, you're bat-shit crazy.
IF you vote for Romney and then complain about what the candidate that YOU voted for (against all rational recommendations) does, I'll toss your ass.
Because if YOU vote for him, YOU OWN HIM, so you'd better STFU about anything he does that you don't agree with.
I can't get any clearer than that. YOUR MAN, SO DON'T YOU DARE BITCH ABOUT HIM. PERIOD.
Mongo
Veteran Member
As will I, my wife, and our three adult children
You do realize that according to Dr. Paul's own general estimates he will not balance the budget in one term nor will he do much to end entitlements in general? Check out his budget for yourself if you don't believe me.
There are a lot of things he won't be doing without Congressional approval so even if he gets say half of his desired actions accomplished he is no where near doing what people think he will.
Don't get me wrong, I like Dr. Paul for what he is good at. However, he is a man not a demi-god and the higher a pedestal people put him on the farther and harder he is going to fall in the public eye when he doesn't do or accomplish what people are expecting him to. And Dr. Paul hasn't even really address Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security accurately.
At their current rate the above three will consume ALL tax revenues by 2049. Now if taxes keep going up, history shows that tax revenues will decrease. The UK is seeing this as I type this either because they are cutting the spending power of the wealthy in the UK or the wealthy are taking their money and going in other places. The US already has the highest corporate taxes in the world at almost 40% and if that goes up we will see even more jobs leaving the US.
Yes, Dr. Paul says he will disband HUD but that is a very small portion of the entitlements and NOT included in medicare, caid, or SS. It is those three that will eventually break us and Dr. Paul isn't touching them as far as I can tell from his budget.
There are a lot of things he won't be doing without Congressional approval so even if he gets say half of his desired actions accomplished he is no where near doing what people think he will.
Don't get me wrong, I like Dr. Paul for what he is good at. However, he is a man not a demi-god and the higher a pedestal people put him on the farther and harder he is going to fall in the public eye when he doesn't do or accomplish what people are expecting him to. And Dr. Paul hasn't even really address Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security accurately.
At their current rate the above three will consume ALL tax revenues by 2049. Now if taxes keep going up, history shows that tax revenues will decrease. The UK is seeing this as I type this either because they are cutting the spending power of the wealthy in the UK or the wealthy are taking their money and going in other places. The US already has the highest corporate taxes in the world at almost 40% and if that goes up we will see even more jobs leaving the US.
Yes, Dr. Paul says he will disband HUD but that is a very small portion of the entitlements and NOT included in medicare, caid, or SS. It is those three that will eventually break us and Dr. Paul isn't touching them as far as I can tell from his budget.
mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Dennis, you pulled two lines out of my post - out of context - and assign me to the "sheep" category?
Read the rest.
RP would be my choice. He wont win.
But, a smart choice would be to immediately put him at the head of the Federal Reserve in a Romney administration.
Would that be Romney's choice? I doubt it... but it might make a GREAT deal for RP to make in order to effect change.
That's the whole point here.
You want to effect real change? Then have a workable plan.
The best thing we can hope for is to take over BOTH HOUSES and the White House.
Is it perfect?
No.
Does it allow a chance?
Yes.
I support Ron Paul.
Realistically, I don't see a chance in hell he'll ever be elected President.
But he could rile up and do a lot of damage to TPTB from the inside of an administration rather than "on the sidelines" once again after another failed run for the Presidency.
Obama is making sure that Congress and the Senate are less and less effective factors in his way to ultimate power.
Watching Obama is like watching that scene from Star Wars where, after the great speech of the Emperor, Senator Amidala says, "So, this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."
An effective resistance works from WITHIN as well as outside.
We need agents who cherish the Constitution to work from WITHIN.
Honestly, I think if RP were ever to "win" the Presidency, he would never know. "They" would immediately revise the results and hold him down until his last gasp of breath faded away.
Mike
Ron Paul is not a god, demigod, or anything even remotely similar. What he's NOT is a RINO global elitist bent on the further destruction of America and spending us into bankruptcy and Depression. Romney IS all those things. YOU DO REALIZE THAT, RIGHT????
Aardaerimus
Anunnaku
While I share your sentiments completely, I don't think the threat is warranted. I didn't wake up until after voting twice for Bush in my ignorance and naivety. I was just a DGI like the rest of the sheep.
The unfortunate thing is that I think it's already too late for us. RP is not going to run again, and I think that when this ship has sailed it'll matter precious little who wakes up at that point because we'll be completely screwed and there will be no more Paul to turn to, to salvage the scraps of liberty, or the economy.
But, a smart choice would be to immediately put him at the head of the Federal Reserve in a Romney administration.
Yeah, I read it. I didn't include that in my reply simply because Ron Paul will never associate with a scumbag who wipes his ass on the Constitution. And Romney will do that.
YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT???
Yeah, I read it. I didn't include that in my reply simply because Ron Paul will never associate with a scumbag who wipes his ass on the Constitution. And Romney will do that.
YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT???
First, IMO, anyone that seriously thinks there is any real difference between the left or right arm of the Beast needs their head examined, because it AIN'T working for you, but it is working as the Beast designed it.
Ron Paul isn't designed to win, place or show. He represents the Truth and that is enough for those that can sense it. All the rest of the puppets on both sides work for the same club that rules this game from behind the curtain here in Oz... or Purgatory, pick the appropriate word for our Matrix. Paul's merely standing up allows the 'Christ' team to 'represent'... as the 'AntiChrist' team is represented by all the rest... which is exceedingly obvious if you are awake and aware to any extent at all.
We are in full blown empire building mode, same as most republics when greed and the necessary compliment of psychos, pedophiles or not move in and take over every facet of society from religion to govt to the courts, the police, the mainstream media, miseducation of the masses etc. Wall Street is just another example of this same empire building process that's been quietly going on all around us for decades. It is the natural method here in Purgatory.. the lessons or history as we call it, repeat and repeat until learned. It really is that simple. Look at the numbers voting for Paul, that shows you how many people have any idea what is really going on at all. It doesn't mean they are really 'awake and aware' and ready for 'graduation' from this classroom in self-conscious awareness, but at least they have taken a few steps towards that goal.
Of course, there are those you support the 'dark side', forces of AntiChrist/negative polarity etc... who support the other candidates, but their numbers are even smaller. Most people remain asleep and follow the programming or conditioning by society that they grew up with and pass on to their children... TRADITION! TRADITION!!
Thus the lessons will repeat... after Mother Nature swings through to clean up our current mess.
No Paul should be stupid enough to even entertain the idea of being on a ballot with one of these puppets. Rand is younger and perhaps dumber, but hopefully his father isn't and will teach him better. You cannot dance with the enemy and expect to make it off the dancefloor once the place goes up in flames.
Either we can see the truth or we cannot. Simple. Very few can, and even fewer still have answered the 'call' to go further. The Truth goes way deeper than simple economic/political and military manipulation of the masses. That's the typical fodder for control at any level.
If Ron isn't leading the ticket in November, why vote at all, as you would be voting for either the left or right arm of the Beast? This is why nothing changes but the puppet under the spotlight... the front man there to keep the herd of us sheep distracted from the Truth. What Paul talks about is just the tip of the iceberg and as the Titanic found out, the rest of it goes very, very deep indeed, and if you can't handle Paul's simple truths about our actions in the world, then forget about the real PTB puppet masters pulling all the strings.
Ron Paul isn't designed to win, place or show. He represents the Truth and that is enough for those that can sense it. All the rest of the puppets on both sides work for the same club that rules this game from behind the curtain here in Oz... or Purgatory, pick the appropriate word for our Matrix. Paul's merely standing up allows the 'Christ' team to 'represent'... as the 'AntiChrist' team is represented by all the rest... which is exceedingly obvious if you are awake and aware to any extent at all.
We are in full blown empire building mode, same as most republics when greed and the necessary compliment of psychos, pedophiles or not move in and take over every facet of society from religion to govt to the courts, the police, the mainstream media, miseducation of the masses etc. Wall Street is just another example of this same empire building process that's been quietly going on all around us for decades. It is the natural method here in Purgatory.. the lessons or history as we call it, repeat and repeat until learned. It really is that simple. Look at the numbers voting for Paul, that shows you how many people have any idea what is really going on at all. It doesn't mean they are really 'awake and aware' and ready for 'graduation' from this classroom in self-conscious awareness, but at least they have taken a few steps towards that goal.
Of course, there are those you support the 'dark side', forces of AntiChrist/negative polarity etc... who support the other candidates, but their numbers are even smaller. Most people remain asleep and follow the programming or conditioning by society that they grew up with and pass on to their children... TRADITION! TRADITION!!
Thus the lessons will repeat... after Mother Nature swings through to clean up our current mess.
No Paul should be stupid enough to even entertain the idea of being on a ballot with one of these puppets. Rand is younger and perhaps dumber, but hopefully his father isn't and will teach him better. You cannot dance with the enemy and expect to make it off the dancefloor once the place goes up in flames.
Either we can see the truth or we cannot. Simple. Very few can, and even fewer still have answered the 'call' to go further. The Truth goes way deeper than simple economic/political and military manipulation of the masses. That's the typical fodder for control at any level.
If Ron isn't leading the ticket in November, why vote at all, as you would be voting for either the left or right arm of the Beast? This is why nothing changes but the puppet under the spotlight... the front man there to keep the herd of us sheep distracted from the Truth. What Paul talks about is just the tip of the iceberg and as the Titanic found out, the rest of it goes very, very deep indeed, and if you can't handle Paul's simple truths about our actions in the world, then forget about the real PTB puppet masters pulling all the strings.
Understood. But these sheep, both here and IRL, have called RP supporters the most vile and filthy things, accusing us of every treasonous act imaginable. And THEY are the traitors to America. I don't care whose eyes get opened. ANYONE who votes for Romney is a stone-cold traitor to this country and our way of life. And I WILL NOT let them get away with "changing their mind" after putting that scum-sucking rat bastard in the WH. Not after what they've called us...
mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Then, the only box left to check is the one marked .50 cal.
The point is, resistance must maintain a level of culpability on the outside in order to appear legitimate and in line. The work to effect change, by what ever means appropriate, is done on the down low.
In this climate, in this day and age and under their rules, perhaps it's best to keep them guessing and keep them surprised. And, in that regard, at least a bit on their heels and ever so slowly falling backward.
That is, until you can push hard enough to knock them down.
Mike
Then, the only box left to check is the one marked .50 cal.
Yes, I'm afraid I agree with that. And damn soon unfortunately. The United States of America. She was a grand experiment while she lasted.
Rest in Peace....
Yes, I'm afraid I agree with that. And damn soon unfortunately. The United States of America. She was a grand experiment while she lasted.
Rest in Peace....
Like I said, I like Dr. Paul for what he does well. The problem is the assumptions people are making about what he will accomplish in one term, hypothetical or not.
As for who he will associate with and who he won't ... he's already been in CONgress how many years? Dr. Paul will do what he chooses to do and associate with who he chooses to associate with as is his freedom to do so. I'm not going to assume anything.
Aardaerimus
Anunnaku
Romney ~ The man you rubes choose to represent you is represented by:
Goldman Sachs
JPMorgan Chase & Co
Morgan Stanley
Credit Suisse Group
Citigroup Inc
Bank of America
... and that's who he'll represent.
Like we've tried to get through your thick skulls, time and time again: Your Romney is Obama - Part 2
There's a fine line between naive and stupid.
Goldman Sachs
JPMorgan Chase & Co
Morgan Stanley
Credit Suisse Group
Citigroup Inc
Bank of America
... and that's who he'll represent.
Like we've tried to get through your thick skulls, time and time again: Your Romney is Obama - Part 2
There's a fine line between naive and stupid.
I think Paul would be great as Head of the Fed. Can one of you explain to me why I should believe Romney if such a deal was announced to get Paul to drop out of the race? Just because Romney says before November he'll have Paul as Head of the Fed doesn't mean if he got elected it would happen. Why do you believe he'd be true to his word and Paul would have the job?
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Listen: Paul would have to agree to it first. I cannot envision a scenario where he'd do that, UNLESS Romney told him to abolish the fed. And YOU KNOW Romney would never do that.
mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's a hypothetical and a what if.
The truth is that even if Ron Paul was winning every state we would never know.
That truth is that I live in California, and thus, my vote will not count regardless. The state will go to whom ever is furthest to the left.
And, the truth is, the fix is in.
What we are left with is a system corrupted by greed and sold souls.
They have sold us out.
So, what are you left with?
Yes, by all means, write in Ron Paul. He'll never be elected.
Which means there is a hard realization that must come with that epiphany.
The only way to achieve desired outcome in today's reality is a harsh but necessary choice.
As that choice becomes clearer and clearer, liberty fades further and further away.
Eventually, choice is no longer even needed.
There will be only one acceptable outcome to "the system".
So, while I salute and applaud the noble effort to write in Ron Paul's name in a moment of protest I hope we all realize that those moments are becoming less and less available. Eventually, they may well be only memories of what once was.
I love the idea of a protest vote.
I'm sure it will scare the heck out of... well... nobody in TPTB.
The only thing that they will fear and force them to adjust their present course has to be more tangible. Palpable.
Like, a million angry citizens marching on the capital.
But, according to the new rules that TPTB are implementing, that may well be a dangerous move.
So, if that is dangerous to you and yours and me and mine, then what is the move after that?
I fully believe we're being pushed in to that direction purposefully.
It's part of their plan.
A vote for Ron Paul is something I would like to do.
But, I don't think even Ron Paul understands just how dire the present situation is.
Mike
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
I'm voting for any in my sig line that may get a chance otherwise I refuse to vote for evil leftovers. No thanks. My two sons will do the same.
Figure I might as well add... I don't think voting is legit or even matters anymore and probably hasn't in a very long time.
Figure I might as well add... I don't think voting is legit or even matters anymore and probably hasn't in a very long time.
Hacker
Computer Hacking Pirate
When you vote for someone you don't want, you are nonetheless legitimizing the candidate and his/her position.
Romney could say he had a mandate, when in fact he merely collected a lot of 'no-obama' votes.
Plus, like Vicki, I think voting would be illegal if it mattered. So I (sigh) might just as well vote for the person I want. That way, I retain some semblance of self respect.
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Human test subject #58652
The President doesn't appoint the Fed Chairman. The Fed appoints the Fed Chairman and tells the President to sign off on it.
mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
No. The president nominates, the choice is either confirmed or not confirmed by the Senate.
Mike
Avatar
Human test subject #58652
You think he has a choice who he nominates?
I like Ron Paul and would vote for him if he got the nomination. Hell I might have voted for him if he ran 3rd party. Ieven donated to his campaign, attended some of his rallies and carried a sign in the street for him. But, none of that looks like it is going to happen.
Have you listened to Ron Pauls interviews lately. Even he realizes it just aint gonna happen. He says his mission now is to educate and make people aware of just how far from the constitution we have strayed and he IS sounding more and more like there may be a deal in the works.
How many of you are going to have a stroke if and when that happens?
Those of you who are going to stay home come election if RP isn't on the ballot, well, I guess you don't really care who your congressmen or senators are or even your local mayor and state representatives. You do realize that the only reason Obama was able to do the things he did is because he had a democratic controlled House and Senate, don't you. If he gets another 4 years he may even be able to change the balance of the Supreme Court for the rest of our lives.
So go ahead a stay home and don't vote at all, Yeah that'll show them.
Stamp your feet, pout and cry and hold your breath until you turn blue.
Obama loves you,
Hell, He might even make you honorary democrats.
The guy that threatens to sit home and not vote at all sure as hell isn't a guy likely to have the balls to take to the street if that time comes. Talk about the 50 cal box is cheap, sitting home and doing nothing is even cheaper.
A real man who cared as much about Paul's campaign would get off his lazy butt and stand in line at the polling station and write in Ron Pauls name and vote for the dozen other offices and issues that will be decided this November, instead of getting on a forum and threatening not to vote. If you want to sit home, fine. Just be honest and admit you're a wuss if thats the strongest stance you can take.
Something else is bass ackwards here. It's those who don't vote at all who have no right to complain.
Vote, vote for whoever you want, but vote.
The man who tells you not to vote is the traitor.
Have you listened to Ron Pauls interviews lately. Even he realizes it just aint gonna happen. He says his mission now is to educate and make people aware of just how far from the constitution we have strayed and he IS sounding more and more like there may be a deal in the works.
How many of you are going to have a stroke if and when that happens?
Those of you who are going to stay home come election if RP isn't on the ballot, well, I guess you don't really care who your congressmen or senators are or even your local mayor and state representatives. You do realize that the only reason Obama was able to do the things he did is because he had a democratic controlled House and Senate, don't you. If he gets another 4 years he may even be able to change the balance of the Supreme Court for the rest of our lives.
So go ahead a stay home and don't vote at all, Yeah that'll show them.
Stamp your feet, pout and cry and hold your breath until you turn blue.
Obama loves you,
Hell, He might even make you honorary democrats.
The guy that threatens to sit home and not vote at all sure as hell isn't a guy likely to have the balls to take to the street if that time comes. Talk about the 50 cal box is cheap, sitting home and doing nothing is even cheaper.
A real man who cared as much about Paul's campaign would get off his lazy butt and stand in line at the polling station and write in Ron Pauls name and vote for the dozen other offices and issues that will be decided this November, instead of getting on a forum and threatening not to vote. If you want to sit home, fine. Just be honest and admit you're a wuss if thats the strongest stance you can take.
Something else is bass ackwards here. It's those who don't vote at all who have no right to complain.
Vote, vote for whoever you want, but vote.
The man who tells you not to vote is the traitor.