No Paul = No Vote in November

[mt4design]

You think he has a choice who he nominates?

If he is part of the grand conspiracy, of course. If he the head of the snake, absolutely.

If the Fed is the conspiracy, then at a minimum, he plays his part.

Regardless, I suppose I missed the sarcasm of your initial post so, apologies.

Mike

 

[mt4design]

I like Ron Paul and would vote for him if he got the nomination. Hell I might have voted for him if he ran 3rd party. Ieven donated to his campaign, attended some of his rallies and carried a sign in the street for him. But, none of that looks like it is going to happen.

Have you listened to Ron Pauls interviews lately. Even he realizes it just aint gonna happen. He says his mission now is to educate and make people aware of just how far from the constitution we have strayed and he IS sounding more and more like there may be a deal in the works.

How many of you are going to have a stroke if and when that happens?

Those of you who are going to stay home come election if RP isn't on the ballot, well, I guess you don't really care who your congressmen or senators are or even your local mayor and state representatives. You do realize that the only reason Obama was able to do the things he did is because he had a democratic controlled House and Senate, don't you. If he gets another 4 years he may even be able to change the balance of the Supreme Court for the rest of our lives.
So go ahead a stay home and don't vote at all, Yeah that'll show them.

Stamp your feet, pout and cry and hold your breath until you turn blue.
Obama loves you,
Hell, He might even make you honorary democrats.

The guy that threatens to sit home and not vote at all sure as hell isn't a guy likely to have the balls to take to the street if that time comes. Talk about the 50 cal box is cheap, sitting home and doing nothing is even cheaper.

A real man who cared as much about Paul's campaign would get off his lazy butt and stand in line at the polling station and write in Ron Pauls name and vote for the dozen other offices and issues that will be decided this November, instead of getting on a forum and threatening not to vote. If you want to sit home, fine. Just be honest and admit you're a wuss if thats the strongest stance you can take.

Something else is bass ackwards here. It's those who don't vote at all who have no right to complain.

Vote, vote for whoever you want, but vote.
The man who tells you not to vote is the traitor.

Absolutely, this!

Thank you Terry for putting in to words exactly how I feel.

The bottom line truly is that voting with your feet may well just save your energy for when you are marched off to re-education camps.

The time to be pissed off at what happened is over.

It's already happened.

It's time to act and act in terms which will make "them" fully aware of just how strong our resolve is to KEEP this nation so many died in order to pass on to us.

Mike

 

[Hacker]

I like Ron Paul and would vote for him if he got the nomination. Hell I might have voted for him if he ran 3rd party. Ieven donated to his campaign, attended some of his rallies and carried a sign in the street for him. But, none of that looks like it is going to happen.

Have you listened to Ron Pauls interviews lately. Even he realizes it just aint gonna happen. He says his mission now is to educate and make people aware of just how far from the constitution we have strayed and he IS sounding more and more like there may be a deal in the works.

Before you continue to spout off, I suggest you listen to this.

http://dailypaulradio.com/radio/2012/03/12/brian-doherty-of-reason-com-talks-unbound-delegates-brokered-convention-and-ron-paul-super-pacs/

 

[Hacker]

The man who tells you not to vote is the traitor.

That's a big bunch of BS.

A vote for 'nobody' is also a vote.

When the winner is predetermined, your vote only serves to further validate and legitimize a corrupt process. Under a corrupt election process (and many believe it's already going on), the best thing we can do (for our republic) is to not vote, or vote for the truly revolutionary candidate.

I was heavily involved in the 2008 republican 'process'. I can assure you that the republican party process is corrupt to the bone!

 

[DHR43]

My approach to voting is that you MUST vote for the candidate who best/nearly/almost completely meets your requirements; whatever they may be. No candidate is perfect, but one can comes really close to representing your belief, view and the needs of the country HAS TO GET YOUR VOTE. To not vote for such a candidate is wrong, IMO.

For Presidential elections, I believe one must vote for the candidate that represents the original view and interests of the country, as it was founded/framed. Accordingly, it has always been republican (REAL defense of the Republic) and constitutional. You may call that libertarian, if you wish.

Therefore, according to these requirements and through process, Ron Paul is the candidate, or Bill Still, if you are a Real Libertarian. Therefore, vote for either of these.

If you cannot vote for the candidate that comes really close to representing your belief, view and the needs of the country - DO NOT VOTE!

I talked recently with a guy at work (Michigan) who said he would vote for Ron Paul except for the fact (as he said) that RP can't win, and therefore my friend said he'd vote for someone who could win. I asked him if the second choice candidate met his needs, and he said 'no', but he wouldn't be 'throwing away his vote'. I then asked him just to vote for RP, and he said he just couldn't.

In his case, DON'T VOTE. Geesh.

 

[Ender]

That's a big bunch of BS.

A vote for 'nobody' is also a vote.

When the winner is predetermined, your vote only serves to further validate and legitimize a corrupt process. Under a corrupt election process (and many believe it's already going on), the best thing we can do (for our republic) is to not vote, or vote for the truly revolutionary candidate.

I was heavily involved in the 2008 republican 'process'. I can assure you that the republican party process is corrupt to the bone!

1000% Hacker.

The corruption going on right now is mind-blowing.

The good news is that RP delegates are taking each county/state one by one. Clark County Nevada just went to RP supporters and this is just a drop in the political ocean of what those on the ground are doing.

And for all who keep spouting "anyone but Obama" it is you that helped get us into this 1 party system in the first place. Get yourselves on the ground and make it happen.

The battle ain't over 'til the fat lady sings and she hasn't even begun to warm up.

 

[TerryK]

That's a big bunch of BS.

A vote for 'nobody' is also a vote.

When the winner is predetermined, your vote only serves to further validate and legitimize a corrupt process. Under a corrupt election process (and many believe it's already going on), the best thing we can do (for our republic) is to not vote, or vote for the truly revolutionary candidate.

I was heavily involved in the 2008 republican 'process'. I can assure you that the republican party process is corrupt to the bone!

No! Saying a 'vote for nobody is also a vote' is the real BS.
Not voting at all means zero, zip, zilch, nada.
It means you were too lazy to go to the polls.
Staying home sends no message to anyone. To everyone else it makes you look like just another apothetic dumb ass American who was too lazy to get off their butt and go vote.
Nobody will ever know that you supported Ron Paul, and I guess you don't even care about your local elections. I guess the president is the be all and end all for those people. Talk about a one track mind. Your "no voting" will just signal to whoever wins that you dont give a s*** what they do.
Get off your butt and go to the polls and write Ron Paul across the ballot or in a write in block and bold as crap go up to the desk and hand it in.
Stand the legal distance outside the polls and wave a sign for Ron Paul. If you got balls go stand right at the entrance like the black panthers did and rant to voters how they are giving up the constitution. Stay there until the cops come and make you move and it will make the news. That takes guts sitting home on your butt does not.
Sitting home and pouting is acting like a little wuss.

And whoever tells others not to vote are traitors to everything our founding fathers stood for.

Me I AM VOTING for who ever I want to, but I am voting and I suggest others do the same.

 

[Ender]

No! Saying a 'vote for nobody is also a vote' is the real BS.
Not voting at all means zero, zip, zilch, nada.
It means you were too lazy to go to the polls.
Staying home sends no message to anyone. To everyone else it makes you look like just another apothetic dumb ass American who was too lazy to get off their butt and go vote.
Nobody will ever know that you supported Ron Paul, and I guess you don't even care about your local elections. I guess the president is the be all and end all for those people. Talk about a one track mind. Your "no voting" will just signal to whoever wins that you dont give a s*** what they do.
Get off your butt and go to the polls and write Ron Paul across the ballot or in a write in block and bold as crap go up to the desk and hand it in.
Stand the legal distance outside the polls and wave a sign for Ron Paul. If you got balls go stand right at the entrance like the black panthers did.
Sitting home and pouting is acting like a little wuss.

And whoever tells others not to vote are traitors to everything our founding fathers stood for.

No.

Going to the polls and voting like a wuss for whoever TPTB tell you to, is being a traitor to everything our founding fathers stood for.

 

[Kathy in FL]

No.

Going to the polls and voting like a wuss for whoever TPTB tell you to, is being a traitor to everything our founding fathers stood for.

I'd like to see you tell that to the face of all the men and women that died to assure that you could go vote for your choice, even if that is a write in.

There is always more than the presidential races at stake.

And remember this folks, Dr. Paul wants to take a lot of the power out of the federal government and put it in the hands of your state level legislators. That means that you need to get your butts in gear and make sure that those people are the ones that you want to run your state's budget, legislation, etc. To overlook that key aspect is to completely overlook what Dr. Paul stands for.

 

[TerryK]

No.

Going to the polls and voting like a wuss for whoever TPTB tell you to, is being a traitor to everything our founding fathers stood for.

No one said that. Why are you trying to put your crap in someone elses mouth? Cant you find some words of your own instead of trying to twist someone elses?

If I listened to you Ender and Hacker, I would be doing just what you are saying " voting for who someone else wants me to vote or in your cases not vote for.
Are you sure you're not working for Obama?
No thank you, I'll vote for who I DECIDE TO VOTE FOR, on my own, and all your or Hackers pleas to say home and not vote will just mean my vote will count and no one will ever know who you wanted to vote for.
Hell you probably won't be able to go to the polls anyway if Ron Paul cuts a deal with one of the other candidates. You'll be home recuperating. Gets some tranquilizers and try not to stroke out.

 

[TerryK]

Who's being the wuss?
They guy who sits home and doesn't vote, not even in the Congressional or state or local elections,
Or,
The guy who goes to the polls and writes Ron Paul or whoever else he wants to vote for on the ballot in addition to the other races and issues?

Recommending people don't vote is traitorous and against everything our founding fathers stood for. It's also cowardly.
Grow up and take a stand. Vote for anyone you want, but vote. If you have to put it in blood on your ballot, vote, because one day you may have to pay in blood to get that right back again.

 

[big kumara]

IIRC, in my state, if you write someone in that isn't on the ballet, the whole ballet is voided. Might want to check that out in your state too.

Yep, that's how it is here. The local and state elections are too important to ruin my ballot over a pointless gesture.

 

[Ender]

I'd like to see you tell that to the face of all the men and women that died to assure that you could go vote for your choice, even if that is a write in.

There is always more than the presidential races at stake.

And remember this folks, Dr. Paul wants to take a lot of the power out of the federal government and put it in the hands of your state level legislators. That means that you need to get your butts in gear and make sure that those people are the ones that you want to run your state's budget, legislation, etc. To overlook that key aspect is to completely overlook what Dr. Paul stands for.

Stop answering apple subjects with oranges answers.

Men who died for their country has NOTHING to do with people who keep voting for shills that are simply "second verse, same as the first." These same shills are those who sent men off to die in unconstitutional wars.

And yes, state elections are important; the closer to home each of us can clean up gov, the better the whole country is.

 

[Ender]

Who's being the wuss?
They guy who sits home and doesn't vote, not even in the Congressional or state or local elections,
Or,
The guy who goes to the polls and writes Ron Paul or whoever else he wants to vote for on the ballot in addition to the other races and issues?

Recommending people don't vote is traitorous and against everything our founding fathers stood for. It's also cowardly.
Grow up and take a stand. Vote for anyone you want, but vote. If you have to put it in blood on your ballot, vote, because one day you may have to pay in blood to get that right back again.

You grow up.

If someone chooses not to vote it is NOT traitorous and it is not your business. As far as the FF, I am sure that given a choice between King George III and Louis the XVI, they would also decline to vote.

BTW- don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Stop answering apple subjects with oranges answers.

Men who died for their country has NOTHING to do with people who keep voting for shills that are simply "second verse, same as the first." These same shills are those who sent men off to die in unconstitutional wars.

And yes, state elections are important; the closer to home each of us can clean up gov, the better the whole country is.

Then stop saying infantile things like a non-vote is still a vote. No, it isn't. It is passing the buck to future generations rather than performing your responsibilities as a citizen of this country. Voting isn't just a right, it is a responsibility ... one way too few people exercise.

 

[MDINMT]

Who's being the wuss?
They guy who sits home and doesn't vote, not even in the Congressional or state or local elections,
Or,
The guy who goes to the polls and writes Ron Paul or whoever else he wants to vote for on the ballot in addition to the other races and issues?

Recommending people don't vote is traitorous and against everything our founding fathers stood for. It's also cowardly.
Grow up and take a stand. Vote for anyone you want, but vote. If you have to put it in blood on your ballot, vote, because one day you may have to pay in blood to get that right back again.

So exercising our RIGHT to vote...or not, makes us cowards and traitors? I served our country to make EVERYONE'S rights safe and I'll exercise them as I see fit.

 

[Ender]

Then stop saying infantile things like a non-vote is still a vote. No, it isn't. It is passing the buck to future generations rather than performing your responsibilities as a citizen of this country. Voting isn't just a right, it is a responsibility ... one way too few people exercise.

I never said that- quit accusing me of things I have not said.

 

[MDINMT]

Then stop saying infantile things like a non-vote is still a vote. No, it isn't. It is passing the buck to future generations rather than performing your responsibilities as a citizen of this country. Voting isn't just a right, it is a responsibility ... one way too few people exercise.

You mean the buck that has already been passed for a couple generations? Where the two? party's glad handed us into intolerable debt? Where both party's have slowly eroded our sovereignty and our rights? Can you post the part of the Constitution that says it's a responsibility to vote? I musta missed that.

 

[timbo]

I wonder why this hasn't been moved to TIO? Guess if you insult for the 'right' thing it stays here.

Pardon me, I'm moving over to the side to keep the mud and stuff off me.

 

[Moggy]

Will you also pout, cry, stamp your feet and hold your breath until you turn blue?

.

Well, bless your little heart.

 

[Kathy in FL]

You mean the buck that has already been passed for a couple generations? Where the two? party's glad handed us into intolerable debt? Where both party's have slowly eroded our sovereignty and our rights? Can you post the part of the Constitution that says it's a responsibility to vote? I musta missed that.

With every right in the Constitution there is a concurrent responsibility. Would you prefer to call them civil duties? The Constitution has several amendments that ensure and expand the right to vote and a lot of people since the inception of this country have worked hard and given their lives so that as many people as possible - those who are citizens of this country - have the right to vote. A citizen exercises their rights and in this case they also should exercise their responsibility to vote.

I get really tired of people who whine about all the rights they have but who refuse to exercise those civil duties -- aka resposnibilities.

And there is no excuse to act like a lemming and follow the croud ... just because other citizens have jumped off the bridge doesn't mean that everyone has to jump off the bridge; the bridge in this case of not voting. People cite the Founding Fathers and the Revolutionists that helped to create this country ... many gave their fortunes, the lives of their families, and their own lives to ensure a more perfect union. Be proud of being an inheritor of that ... and exercise your responsibilities as they did and vote. If you don't you've given up any right to whine and complain or have any say at all in anything else that has to do with the running of this country. You've also given up the opportunity to deny that you didn't have anything to do with its downfall.

 

[MDINMT]

With every right in the Constitution there is a concurrent responsibility. Would you prefer to call them civil duties? The Constitution has several amendments that ensure and expand the right to vote and a lot of people since the inception of this country have worked hard and given their lives so that as many people as possible - those who are citizens of this country - have the right to vote. A citizen exercises their rights and in this case they also should exercise their responsibility to vote.
Give it up,there is no responsibility to vote. There are civic duties such as jury duty. Next you will tell us it is a mandate to vote,that we must or we are cowards and traitors.(hmm,that sound familiar)

I get really tired of people who whine about all the rights they have but who refuse to exercise those civil duties -- aka resposnibilities.
Voting is not a civil duty. It is a right,to be exercised...or not.
And there is no excuse to act like a lemming and follow the croud ... just because other citizens have jumped off the bridge doesn't mean that everyone has to jump off the bridge; the bridge in this case of not voting. People cite the Founding Fathers and the Revolutionists that helped to create this country ... many gave their fortunes, the lives of their families, and their own lives to ensure a more perfect union. Be proud of being an inheritor of that ... and exercise your responsibilities as they did and vote. If you don't you've given up any right to whine and complain or have any say at all in anything else that has to do with the running of this country. You've also given up the opportunity to deny that you didn't have anything to do with its downfall.

Its downfall is due to the two-headed snakes that have been playing us for years. If the founding fathers saw how things are now,we would have had another Bunker Hill years ago. I'm not at all sure we won't see another anyway.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Its downfall is due to the two-headed snakes that have been playing us for years. If the founding fathers saw how things are now,we would have had another Bunker Hill years ago. I'm not at all sure we won't see another anyway.

Very possible. And if it does come to that it will be because the People ... the citizens ... failed in their civic duties to oversee their own government and failed in the civic duty to vote into office those people who would uphold the Constitution. And not just at the national level. By the Constitution's own standards - and as Dr. Paul sees it as well - the true power should lie at the state level. To simply give that over, give it up, by inaction is not something that either the Constitution or Dr. Paul would agree with.

Dr. Paul has been shouting into the wind for how many years now? Do you see him giving up? And he votes even when his is the lone voice in the wilderness. Dr. Paul cannot do all the work by himself. And why should he?

 

[MDINMT]

Very possible. And if it does come to that it will be because the People ... the citizens ... failed in their civic duties to oversee their own government and failed in the civic duty to vote into office those people who would uphold the Constitution. And not just at the national level. By the Constitution's own standards - and as Dr. Paul sees it as well - the true power should lie at the state level. To simply give that over, give it up, by inaction is not something that either the Constitution or Dr. Paul would agree with.

Dr. Paul has been shouting into the wind for how many years now? Do you see him giving up? And he votes even when his is the lone voice in the wilderness. Dr. Paul cannot do all the work by himself. And why should he?

Well, I can pretty much agree with that. Would point out that RP's job is to make those votes

 

[TerryK]

You grow up.

If someone chooses not to vote it is NOT traitorous and it is not your business. As far as the FF, I am sure that given a choice between King George III and Louis the XVI, they would also decline to vote.

BTW- don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.

You haven't voted for crap yet and by the sound of your posts, dont intend to.

Trying to convince others not to vote and calling them names because your chosen candidate isn't winning is traitorous and dispicable.
Like I said before, Ron Paul is a great candidate and I will vote for him if I can but he has lost more votes because of idiots who do things like piss off potential supporters or tell people not to go to the polls at all.
So, if you want to do something stupid like not vote, not even for Congress or state representatives, go ahead. It just means you don't count and nobody will notice or care whatever the hell you think, and your cause and you will fade into obscurity.
Not voting at all won't help Ron Paul. In fact people will think that he doesn't matter at all and truth be told he won't if none of his supporters vote.

I personally don't care if you vote or not. I do care that some people take it upon themselves to tell others not to vote.
I think this country is done for anyway. Between the people addicted to government welfare, the unions and the socialists, the crazy supporters who stomp their feet and pout while promising not to vote if their candidate doesn't win the primary, there is not much worth saving here anymore.
I have a plan to deal with all this. I hope you do to. But, I am still going to vote.

 

[Kook]

Here are the facts: If Obama gets re-elected, it is all over. He will complete the full destruction of the USA. He will happily hand it all over to whomever wants it.
He will have fulfilled his own perceived destiny. It is his personal revenge and the completed dreams of his father.

This is not the 'lessor' of two evils. This is one man (Obama) who is a sworn enemy of this country and if he wins re-election there will be no others.

It is as simple as that.

So play your games of writing in candidates who have no chance of winning and fool yourself into thinking that you have a clean conscience when in fact you helped the man get re-elected and stood by and let evil triumph.

The only way for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing to stop it.

That is what you folks who are portending to be 'doing the right thing by making a vote of conscience' knowing full well you are not helping us to stop Obama are doing.

You will be standing by and letting America's greatest threat to our freedoms walk right in and finish the job.

There will be no civil war like some of you may be thinking this will get us. They are hoping a lot of you try to play that card. It will be a fast way for them to utilize that citizens army Obama talked about and instill the martial law and finish installing his dictatorship that he is wishing for.

Please folks, take off the rose colored glasses. On one hand you claim that our votes don't count and it is just two heads of the same coin. Then on the other hand you are holding vigil and willing to throw your vote away on a statement of conscience and do nothing to stop a man who is clearly not the other side of the same coin. This is the first president to embrace communist leaders and the weather underground as friends.

Are you really going to stand by and let a true communist who truly hates this country, verified by his books, etc., win re-election and finish the job?

+ a googol
That is the correct spelling, BTW
I will do what I think best to remove the Marxist we have in office right now. If it is the lesser of two evils, well that's less evil. Dr. Paul has no chance of winning. IF, and that's a Big if, Rand Paul is nominated as weep, we have a chance to groom a future constitutionalist for the presidency. Everyone's talking about Rubio, but he is no more eligible than the Kenyan. Same for Jindal. Rand would allow the RP folks to vote in good conscience, knowing that they are preparing for the future. Ron Paul is making his last run.

Again, GET OBAMA OUT!!! Having Ron Paul is the best outcome, but having anyone else is 10,000% better than Coke Zero. I will vote for Ron Paul in the primary, and I am talking to various people about him, and have a few converts. We have our primary on Saturday here in MO, and I have high, although unrealistic hopes. If RP is not it, I'll crawl over broken, no make that MOLTEN glass to vote for the Rep nominee.

BTW, Obama is not 'doing things' to us. All he is doing is letting his czars run wild and rubber stamping their wet Marxist dreams. The health care bill was simply all the libs in congress throwing in all their dream stuff in and pushing it through via illegal tricks. He had minimal input per se, but let them know he would sign it. If he is reelected, you ain't seen nothing yet. If he is pushed out, we have a chance, albeit a slim one.

That's all I will say on the matter.

 

[Kook]

Piss off. You status quo freaks deserve exactly what you're going to get. Should Romney win, and I hear ANY ONE OF YOU BITCH ABOUT ANYTHING HE DOES, you are OUTTA HERE.

If Ron Paul is elected, I'm sure I would find plenty to disagree with him on. No one is perfect. Besides, dissent and finding a way to correct politicians and make them see the light is a rightful part of American politics. Will I be banned if I criticized a Ron Paul policy, even if I voted for him? If Romney is elected with Rand Paul as veep, and he appoints Ron Paul as SecTreas, and I agree with him on that, will I be in trouble? Enquiring minds.....

 

[Flippper]

I think we all knew RP would not win the nomination, the dice are loaded, and the left's used every weapon at their disposal to prevent RP from going anywhere (with little success I think).

I firmly believe if he was on the ticket, he would win in a landslide but we would never know it because the voting machines will be set to tip far left. They will regardless of who's running as the Republican nominee will be far left of course as far left people chose the so called "choices", just like the last election. mccain? seriously? NDAA traitor-globalist-elitist mccain? Oh yeah, that one.

RP may still win by a landslide write in, so many disenfranchised democrats are declaring they are backing him, most Independent/Libertarians are from what I hear and many angry Republicans are as well-the guy has universal appeal to those who hold the freedoms and liberties of this nation dear as he seems to be the one who would cause the least harm and possibly some good.

Truly, we are so far down the crapper that just about the only person who can and will try to stop the freefall is RP (from what I understand of his platform). A vote for any single one of what we've had the past 20 years is a vote for more fuel to add to the train wreck. We are at the precipice; please think very, very carefully about the elite tossing you a 'less evil' bone, and remember that the republican nominee, that person is THEIR choice, not yours or you wouldn't have to wrestle your conscience over casting a vote for the bum hoping to 'offset' obama's imaginary vote tally.

 

[Flippper]

Like, a million angry citizens marching on the capital.

But, according to the new rules that TPTB are implementing, that may well be a dangerous move.

So, if that is dangerous to you and yours and me and mine, then what is the move after that?

I fully believe we're being pushed in to that direction purposefully.

It's part of their plan.

You have an excellent grasp of the situation at hand, soon we will have only two options, no matter who is POTUS. What we see happening today really drives home Patrick Henry's statement "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country." which I believe meshes perfectly with "Give me Liberty, or give me death." Once people understand that they will die under the total control of a fascist dictatorship, they will finally understand that it is imperative that they do what they can now, while they still can. Pray to God that He direct and protect us, ask for His Diving guidance and intervention, or soon it will be too late.

 

[FREEBIRD]

"Recommending people don't vote is traitorous and against everything our founding fathers stood for. It's also cowardly.
Grow up and take a stand. Vote for anyone you want, but vote. If you have to put it in blood on your ballot, vote, because one day you may have to pay in blood to get that right back again."

Like I said, Sharpie marker. But not accepting the choice between Obama and Romney, as many of us don't, does NOT equal "not voting" for: Congress, governor, state legislators, county board, mayor, city council, ballot initiatives, retention of judges, county sheriff, state constitutional amendments, and city ordinances. How does staying home address these opportunities to do something constructive?