INSANITY No Families, No Children, No Future (OP Dec 2020)

[hunybee]

My sense of things agrees with the Gen Z Female Reader in the OP. I was talking with my wife about these issues and she told me that it's not uncommon for girls to feel some level of attraction to the same sex when they are adolescent. I asked why and she said "girls are pretty" and boys at that age... well you know how they are.

i can honestly say it never was a thing for me a that age or ever, and i never saw or heard of it being a thing with other girls either. not sure if she is saying now or always.

 

[jward]

i can honestly say it never was a thing for me a that age or ever, and i never saw or heard of it being a thing with other girls either. not sure if she is saying now or always.

I remember we had a short haired female counselor at camp when I was 8- and she played the guitar so well and was a lot of fun...and I "wished" she was a boy undercover, so I could like her-like her, but alas, she was a girl, so I just liked her LOL.
..so I guess I was then, and remain, everly uncurious (and still easily wooed by the sweet sweet sounds of )

 

[summerthyme]

My mother was the 18th child of “you have no idea how poor a family!”
They were immigrants from Czechoslovakia whose nice, extreme rural home burned down during the depths of the depression. Nobody in any time or nation had it harder. There was no welfare then.
Few would understand or believe what/how they survived In the remotest, wildest part of NW Pennsylvania woods. Poor doesnt equate to unable to have children WITH GODS HELP.
NONE of her siblings ever went to jail, all of those boys served during WW2 except one who had diabetes and was rejected. They all were law abiding, hard working, self sufficient Christians who served their churches, neighbors and communities. They dug coal on their property, to cook and heat, they drank from an artesian well that bubbled up pure water. They ate fish from the streams, venison, bear, squirrel, rabbits, wild turkeys, and other game and vegetables from their garden, gathered honey, and traded for other things. Their bread and jam was home made.they made their own sauerkraut and pickles and clothes. Neighbors gave them old shoes.

Sigh... I still don't think you understand how irrelevant your experience is when we're talking about Europe in the Middle Ages through the Victorian era. People in Europe mostly didn't own land, couldn't just dig coal for heat, and to kill the King's game (even snaring a lowly rabbit or pheasant) was a desth penalty offense.

And, as Melodi mentioned above, there was a rigid social structure, and if you weren't the right "class", you didn't marry.

It was a very, very different world.

Summerthyme

 

[JMG91]

The women's movement has pushed to the point women aren't happy being a woman they want to be a man in the world. If you choose the husband working and wife keeping the home and raising children lifestyle you will take a lot of grief from friends and co-workers. If you choose to have more than 2 or 3 children you'll be scorned. I'm all for woman getting an education and working in a career before starting a family, but I'm old fashioned enough to believe that one parent (either will do) should stay home to raise the children.

There is a lot of justification for women wanting to stay in the workforce. The prevalence of divorce, especially for women being left at age 50 so hubby can marry a 25 year old, means not to have a career or education is a disaster. I know of many woman who stayed home to raise a family then end up divorced who are desperate. One such lady got 18 months alimony then nothing. She started community college right away using the alimony to live on but when that ran out started living on student loans because she could not find a job. Last I heard she'd decided to go on for a masters because even with a BA could not find work. I told her its unlikely anyone is going to hire someone 60 years old in an entry level job when she'd be retirement age by the time she's a useful employee. To make her situation even sadder those student loans will be taken out of her social security. I can almost guarantee that any of her daughters will never want to leave the work force long enough to raise a child nor any other young lady who has seen this happen.

I agree Christian Conservative families in rural areas especially are more likely to have large families. I know one family with 13 children and another with 9 that attend the same church. Five or six children are more typical of a large family but most are sticking to two or three. Responsible parents want to provide the best for their children and finances often dictate small families to achieve that goal.

^^^This. While I intend to raise my daughter with homemaker values, I do want her to work a job before she is married, as I believe it to be important to at least know how the business world works. What if she gets married and something happens to her husband? Would we help her out to the best of our ability? Absolutely. But she still needs to know what to do should circumstances such as this come up so that she can take care of her children--and husband, if he is simply disabled and not dead.

 

[Ku Commando]

......really, really big

 

[PghPanther]

I wouldn't say too dull, more like way too risky, kind of like tap dancing through a minefield. at least if you want more than a quick hook up and god forbid wanted a real relationship and a family.

At one time our society projected that sex was often the prize/reward from a commitment...........................today the commitment is not only unnecessary but seen as a liability in obtaining sex.........so we've become an emotional sexually obese society as a result where porn rules the day................

 

[mikeabn]

My three children are grown. There are 2 grandkids.

Same as me.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

^^^This. While I intend to raise my daughter with homemaker values, I do want her to work a job before she is married, as I believe it to be important to at least know how the business world works. What if she gets married and something happens to her husband? Would we help her out to the best of our ability? Absolutely. But she still needs to know what to do should circumstances such as this come up so that she can take care of her children--and husband, if he is simply disabled and not dead.

Life insurance and disability insurance. Both are cheap when young.

 

[Laurelayn]

Meanwhile 3 billion chinese are eyeballing the U.S. for conquest.

And they have been practicing infanticide on their girl children for decades and decades

 

[Walrus Whisperer]

My daughter had her last child the day before she turned 45. She had 6 total, 2 are grown, all rest under 13. She was an only child, I know she wanted siblings, I just couldn't have anymore.

 

[TheSearcher]

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What are you trying to say?

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

There is a lot of justification for women wanting to stay in the workforce. The prevalence of divorce, especially for women being left at age 50 so hubby can marry a 25 year old...

Women file for divorce now in the U.S. multiple times as often as men do. When there are minor blood children, it's like 9:1. You didn't know this?

 

[raven]

My three children are grown. There are 2 grandkids.

Oh yea, sweeties two kids are grown. There are no grandkids

 

[PghPanther]

i can honestly say it never was a thing for me a that age or ever, and i never saw or heard of it being a thing with other girls either. not sure if she is saying now or always.

There is a certain sense of maternal instinct and altruism/empathy in women that is more enhanced that it is in men........additionally women tend to mature physically and emotionally earlier than men........its not unusual for women especially in their mid to late teen years in developing an identity to have more of a touchy relationship with each other......like combing each others hair, back rubs, foot messages etc.........during slumber parties in highschool or dorm hangouts on weekends at college.

I can remember in college my sister telling me they used to sit around on weekends in the dorm half undressed combing each others hair or doing foot messages and such and it was never anything more than that.........and she is a well adjusted conservative married mother today with no issues as far as sexuality........

I remember when she told me that I thought.........whoaa they are all lesbians............and she laughed and said something like, "No girls are different that way.......we have more a comfort level of just chilling out than you guys do"

.....by far and away the majority of that kind of activity is nothing more than just grooming between best girl friends and never amounts to anything physically beyond that. However, I well imagine some of that could even accidentally cross over into switching camps for some.......especially if they happen to have a few drinks in them at the time.

For guys that kind of activity is non existent it seems........and if anything would ever take place like that one might assume they are gay to begin with.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Oh yea, sweeties two kids are grown. There are no grandkids

Why are you dredging up an 18 month old thread?

 

[cyanne]

Life insurance and disability insurance don’t cover you when your husband leaves you with a two month old.
There are real financial risks to women who choose to have children.

 

[Kathy in FL]

I had a good friend tell me that she and her husband were just not interested in playing the blame game ... they didn't want the blame if they did everything they could for a kid and they still got weird or bad. They also didn't want to have to choose between and child and their principles ... as in the child claimed trans or queer but society blackmailed them as parents to love and support them regardless of their personal choices.

In other words it had nothing to do with finances or responsibility ... they just were protecting themselves from potential heartache. There's a lot of it going around.

 

[WildDaisy]

I think everyone blames the younger generation for what is going on, but the blame really lies with their parents. The kids were RAISED that way.

1) Independence of thought - i.e. you had a choice of what was for dinner and had a voice of opinion early on. Never before did kids have a say in what went on. You ate what was in front of you, and you went and did what your parents told you to.

2) Lack of Social Skills - Because they didn't want poor little Johnny's fragile self-esteem hurt, they ended recess, they ended winners and losers in favor of the "participation award". This left those kids with no social skills unable to handle rejection, loss, and even winning well.

3) On that same thought, they also softened the education system so there were no "failures". That would wreak havoc on poor little Johnny to get an "F". So now, if the spelling is close, they got high marks. Back in the day, wrong was wrong.

4) Lack of spiritual guidance, morals, or manners. Parents were too busy for this and many of them had lost their faith anyway. Greed ran the roost and they were so busy keeping up with the Jones, that the kids ended up learning by what was caught, not taught because they didn't have time to teach life lessons. What was "caught", wasn't so good. The television, media and cell phone because the educator and they didnt even do research to see what was being taught with those. If it kept the kids entertained and out of their hair, they went with it.

5) Scheduled and orchestrated free time. Kids didn't have time to be kids. They were bound in the captivity of activity. T-ball, Hockey, Soccer, piano lessons, dance lessons, gymnastics, boy scouts, girl scouts, and school activities. Kids didn't have a chance to be kids - play outside, make friends using social skills, make enemies and learn discernment.

6) All this freedom and lack of attention by parents drove these kids to find shocking identities. Most of those who identify as "gay" aren't even gay, they are on the "fad train". They crave attention, and sometimes the only attention they are going to get from their very busy parents was when they are shocked by them.

No, how these young adults are today - is the parents' fault.

 

[Countrymouse]

Again, the Neo-Feminist narrative says that being a woman is all about High Heels and Bloodlust against the ‘patriarchy’ (i.e., conservative society, marriage, and traditional family structures), and if you can’t be both of those things, then you’re just not a woman anymore.

So .... they prove they are WOMEN---

by REJECTING BEING a woman?



...

Lord Jesus, please come soon!

 

[Dozdoats]

I think this society is ready for the fire next time.

 

[Dux]

My kids (1986 DS, 1995 DD):

1) Independence of thought - i.e. you had a choice of what was for dinner << Nope

2) Lack of Social Skills - Because they didn't want poor little Johnny's fragile self-esteem hurt, they ended recess [that was weird with ADD and all], they ended winners and losers in favor of the "participation award". << Mine played sports, esp DD who loved soccer to a fault.

3) On that same thought, they also softened the education system so there were no "failures". << Creative spelling was OK much to my chagrin. DD finally learned that spelling mattered in high school. DS learned to spell out the gate.

4) Lack of spiritual guidance, morals, or manners. << Nope, but now they are "spiritual not religious" adults, ugh.

5) Scheduled and orchestrated free time. Kids didn't have time to be kids. Kids didn't have a chance to be kids - play outside, make friends using social skills, make enemies and learn discernment. << DS played in the neighborhood. DD had to be corralled, e.g. driven to play dates. They both participated in what they liked. We both worked, so there's day care, after school care or activities. Shoot me.

6) All this freedom and lack of attention by parents drove these kids to find shocking identities. Most of those who identify as "gay" aren't even gay, they are on the "fad train". << they are not too freaky, but IDK why they both got vaxxed. Maybe going with the dominant paradigm is their rebellion. However, I am really disturbed that DD turned into a social justice warrior, when initially all she wanted to do was help people get over trauma when she started college.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

There is a certain sense of maternal instinct and altruism/empathy in women that is more enhanced that it is in men........additionally women tend to mature physically and emotionally earlier than men........its not unusual for women especially in their mid to late teen years in developing an identity to have more of a touchy relationship with each other......like combing each others hair, back rubs, foot messages etc.........during slumber parties in highschool or dorm hangouts on weekends at college.

I can remember in college my sister telling me they used to sit around on weekends in the dorm half undressed combing each others hair or doing foot messages and such and it was never anything more than that.........and she is a well adjusted conservative married mother today with no issues as far as sexuality........

I remember when she told me that I thought.........whoaa they are all lesbians............and she laughed and said something like, "No girls are different that way.......we have more a comfort level of just chilling out than you guys do"

.....by far and away the majority of that kind of activity is nothing more than just grooming between best girl friends and never amounts to anything physically beyond that. However, I well imagine some of that could even accidentally cross over into switching camps for some.......especially if they happen to have a few drinks in them at the time.

For guys that kind of activity is non existent it seems........and if anything would ever take place like that one might assume they are gay to begin with.

The temporarily-crossing-over sorts are traditionally known as LUGs:. Lesbian Until Graduation.