INSANITY No Families, No Children, No Future (OP Dec 2020)

[hunybee]

Roughly, 30 percent of American women under 25 are lost and wandering. LGBTQ2WEFOOKED is the new"in" thing. Once they mature they grow out of the desire to be seen with the crowd, thus the falling numbers as they get older.

i don't think it is a thing of the numbers falling because they age out of it. i think it is more of what you said in the first part: it is the "in" thing now....for that age group now. each age group has a lower percentage right now because you can see the societal acceptance in reverse. the older one is, the less acceptance of it in society as they were growing and forming their mental states and society at the time as well as their societal and familial bonds.


i do see the 35 to 45/50 age group as what appears to be a the wild card, but if one really looks at the behaviors and stages of life those age groups are, it makes sense....sort of lol

35-45/50 is when a lot of "life questioning" happens. lots of stuff is going on. some women are sick of taking acre of people all the time. some women are fearful of losing their beauty and "young' status and want to do more outrageous things to try to hold on the cool factor or stay in the hip crowd. lots of people do lots of things for this reason and many more. do you have any idea how many women i know in that age range that wake up one day and start getting tats? like i said before, it is complicated and not just one single "a-HA!" thing.

 

[hunybee]

i think troke is right in a lot of ways about making sex dull.

i have also thought so as well for a long time.

 

[ainitfunny]

I had three daughters and now have 13 grandkids. Most all are liberals. Only two GK are married, one GGK "on the way".
I wish I had been allowed more contact with GKs, none of them seem to walk as Christians, to the agony of my soul.

One GK, whose life, she says, does not end in suicide because of her regular mentAL health therapy, has been led even further away from reality and truth ((according to what she says her therapist told her) by her extreme liberal therapist! Yesterday, she invited me to never contact her again until I submitted and agreed to HER WORLD VIEW, and her "truths!"

 

[Starrkopf]

In urban America this is true because children are total liabilities. In rural America it's a slightly different story. Children who can help feed livestock, help with crops, assist with milking cows are a major asset. Parents may have to wait a few years for their initial investment to pay off dividends. I've watched a tiny Amish girl expertly handle a five horse teem doing harrowing. She could turn them on a dime and give change.

Dr. Steve Turley did some research on the demographics. Conservative Christian sects are producing significantly more children. There was a thread on this ages ago.

I can understand liberals wanting to ignore this demographic. Conservative Christians raising lots and lots of Conservative Christians.

This is because they are insulated from the outside world and have their own society and sub-culture with rules that keep the female energies harnessed properly. remove the social rules and it would fall flat on its face.

 

[hunybee]

i get cranky at lots of women that i know that claim they are bi. almost every time i see a woman claim this, there are problems big time in the relationship. the ugly truth that i see and no on wants to admit?

they claim they are bi, but they are really wanting women and want the men as the safety factor.

i know one girl ( i say girl because even though her age is a woman, her behavior and mentality is a girl), that says she is bi.

what a mess. i know a lot of things have happened to her in her growing up (another factor), but the attitude and the vibe is that she SAYS she is bi, but she talks about women all the time as far as what she likes. never her husband. never men. how she speaks of her husband (and all men) is deplorable. she wants the stability of the husband and the safety and the kids, but her true want is to be free to do what she wants and play at the wife and mother thing.

i see that theme a lot with those women that claim to be bi. they are not really bi. they are gay, but bi can snag a man to fill the other stuff

 

[Starrkopf]

what a mess. i know a lot of things have happened to her in her growing up (another factor), but the attitude and the vibe is that she SAYS she is bi, but she talks about women all the time as far as what she likes. never her husband. never men. how she speaks of her husband (and all men) is deplorable. she wants the stability of the husband and the safety and the kids, but her true want is to be free to do what she wants and play at the wife and mother thing.

i see that theme a lot with those women that claim to be bi. they are not really bi. they are gay, but bi can snag a man to fill the other stuff

This is hypergamy in a nutshell and it's being encouraged on an industrial scale.

 

[Raggedyman]

Read up on MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) There's other groups writing about this sort of thing too but the gist of it is that Women have been turned into a weapon to destroy society by removing the barriers that used to keep their innate hypergamy in check. It's like setting a fire and constantly pouring gasoline on it.

On top of that they put laws and other economic barriers in place to keep anyone lucky enough to even find a normal person that they want to start a family with from even trying in the first place. MGTOW is basically at it's heart men opting out from a game rigged against them from the start.

^^^^^post of the week right there^^^^
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[TBonz]

Three kids and only one grandchild. The odds of more are growing longer each year, in @5 years it'll be gone completely.

One of my great-nieces was bi from her early teens, including in relationships. Recently, she married a male and had a baby.

 

[Tristan]

i don't think it is a thing of the numbers falling because they age out of it. i think it is more of what you said in the first part: it is the "in" thing now....for that age group now. each age group has a lower percentage right now because you can see the societal acceptance in reverse. the older one is, the less acceptance of it in society as they were growing and forming their mental states and society at the time as well as their societal and familial bonds.


i do see the 35 to 45/50 age group as what appears to be a the wild card, but if one really looks at the behaviors and stages of life those age groups are, it makes sense....sort of lol

35-45/50 is when a lot of "life questioning" happens. lots of stuff is going on. some women are sick of taking acre of people all the time. some women are fearful of losing their beauty and "young' status and want to do more outrageous things to try to hold on the cool factor or stay in the hip crowd. lots of people do lots of things for this reason and many more. do you have any idea how many women i know in that age range that wake up one day and start getting tats? like i said before, it is complicated and not just one single "a-HA!" thing.

35-45/50 is a time when many possible options are now closed.

 

[hunybee]

35-45/50 is a time when many possible options are now closed.

In regards what specifically? The 45 to 50 would be kids. But what else are you referring?

 

[Tristan]

In regards what specifically? The 45 to 50 would be kids. But what else are you referring?

Most 45/50 y.o. women are unable to birth children, though some do, as an example.

I think many are pursuing alternative lifestyles due to the active promotion of such; and many I've known grow to regret their earlier decisions around the 40yo mark...

 

[Firebird]

I had 3 children, youngest died at 10 yo. My son married at 20, and had 1st child at 21. He and DIL have 2 children, and she said she will have no more, as she wants a career. Unfortunately, she does not see the “value” in children.
My oldest daughter never married, but she really wants to. She is getting close to being past child bearing years real soon now, so I’m not sure she will ever have children.
So, I will only have 2 grandchildren. The GC have no first cousins because of what I stated above, and because my DIL’s sister is lesbian, so no kids from her end. The GC will never grow up with cousins, and my grandson is the very last in the family line, so unless he marries and at least has a son, our family name ends with him.

 

[batterbiscuts]

Having lived amongst Arabs I can tell you it's true! Even if there is no sex, and sometimes there is... there is intense feelings, fights, jealousy, break-ups and drama among the women! and the men!

Imagine the custody fights for the goats.

 

[ainitfunny]

I think marrying and having children is an important step in actually becoming a REAL, RESPONSIBLE, ADULT, OR at least used to be. Nowadays, a growing percentage of people take the first steps toward responsible adulthood and then later decide they’d rather revert to the childish, irresponsible, “life, it’s supposed to be ALL ABOUT ME, my desires, my plans, pleasing MY DESIRES, not sacrificing my happiness for some kid!”

My granddaughter, when she spoke disrespectfully about her parents, I asked her “what about the commandment to honor your mother and father?” She just told me (day before yesterday) that parents OWE their children EVERYTHING including LOVE, BUT CHILDREN OWE THEIR PARENTS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, not even obedience, love or respect, “because they did not ask to be born”!! ( I never was able to mention that the commandment came with a promise,) she talked over me and it was a pretty much one sided conversation, her doing the “lecturing of her “UNWOKE” Grandmother! I would have liked to have been able to tell her that obeying that commandment God rewards with LONG LIFE, AND PROSPERITY, for you and your children!

 

[Blacknarwhal]

Whole thing's a disaster. I pretty much stopped looking five years or so ago because it was just ludicrous out there. Between the bizarre strings of standards--Hortense the Mule-Faced Girl thinks she too can land a sexy billionaire and won't stop until she does--and the battalions of single mothers, the pool was tainted almost from the word go.

You're either invited to be the new wallet in raising some other guy's kid or you're left with, well, whatever's left. The phrase "I've had my fun, now I want to settle down" is endemic; why would anyone deliberately sign on for no fun?

At least some of it's my own fault, of course; I left it go too long. But this was back in Michigan in the 2000s; the economy here was a disaster post-9/11 that really didn't improve until Trump. Just trying to set up housekeeping was tough back then.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

Whole thing's a disaster. I pretty much stopped looking five years or so ago because it was just ludicrous out there. Between the bizarre strings of standards--Hortense the Mule-Faced Girl thinks she too can land a sexy billionaire and won't stop until she does--and the battalions of single mothers, the pool was tainted almost from the word go.

You're either invited to be the new wallet in raising some other guy's kid or you're left with, well, whatever's left. The phrase "I've had my fun, now I want to settle down" is endemic; why would anyone deliberately sign on for no fun?

Agreed. Just substitute the word "sex" where ever you see "fun" in such an ad, and it all becomes clear.

 

[Faroe]

I think marrying and having children is an important step in actually becoming a REAL, RESPONSIBLE, ADULT, OR at least used to be. Nowadays, a growing percentage of people take the first steps toward responsible adulthood and then later decide they’d rather revert to the childish, irresponsible, “life, it’s supposed to be ALL ABOUT ME, my desires, my plans, pleasing MY DESIRES, not sacrificing my happiness for some kid!”

My granddaughter, when she spoke disrespectfully about her parents, I asked her “what about the commandment to honor your mother and father?” She just told me (day before yesterday) that parents OWE their children EVERYTHING including LOVE, BUT CHILDREN OWE THEIR PARENTS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, not even obedience, love or respect, “because they did not ask to be born”!! ( I never was able to mention that the commandment came with a promise,) she talked over me and it was a pretty much one sided conversation, her doing the “lecturing of her “UNWOKE” Grandmother! I would have liked to have been able to tell her that obeying that commandment God rewards with LONG LIFE, AND PROSPERITY, for you and your children!

Wasn't what every adult did, even back in the day. Masses of European people went into monestaries and convents, died in battle, worked in "service" for genteel houses, worked in poor houses, or in schools. Marriage and family were not actually viable for many in the lesser classes. You needed property, or a paying profession. The oldest son married and took over the farm. His brothers had to find something else to do, apprenticeships were long and barely paid enough to eat. Silly to claim these people weren't "real" adults!

 

[JMG91]

Honestly, you can have those who were raised in seemingly good, rural homes not producing either. My DH is from a family of 11 kids, and only he and his older sister have managed to get married or even date. Two out of eleven. Fear destroys many things, but a WOMAN'S fear--when she perpetuates it in her children--destroys EVERYTHING. It is wise to teach your children to be cautious, but don't teach them to be afraid. They will be crippled and unable to function properly when released out into the world.

Also, children should be raised with a balance of maturity and fun. Most of the immature millennials were raised on nothing but fun times with no responsible parental guidance, so they have no maturity. But you can also create the opposite problem. If you raise your kids to be SO mature that they never get to experience what life has to offer, when you finally take the leash off, you're going to have a bunch of forever kids who either won't leave home, or will develop a large amount of immaturity because they want to experience all of the silly things they SHOULD have been able to do as kids. Then, by the time they're ready to have children, it's too late.

 

[abby normal]

I have been ranting for 20 yrs that we are a society that is making sex dull. Seems we have finally done it.

How is sex dull? You can get on tinder for a different hook up every day, and once the clothes come off you could be in for one heck of a surprise! If anything it's like a game show and you get to guess what's behind curtain #1

 

[JMG91]

Agreed. Just substitute the word "sex" whereever you see "fun" in such an ad,and it all becomes clear.

It's a real shame that, that's how it is. Sex (should) = Fun.

 

[Starrkopf]

In addition to the things I've already mentioned and others have, I want to add that what kind of future would I hope to give to any hypothetical children I might bring into this world?, this world is a dumpster fire and I can't in good conscience bring a child into this world that we've all turned into a giant toilet.

Add into that that I'm a fairly loathsome person and I wouldn't want to inflict myself on someone, let alone become as bad or worse of a parent than I had (and I had it rough in that department)

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

It's a real shame that, that's how it is. Sex (should) = Fun.

I meant, she's already had pretty much all the sex (especially marital sex) she intends to have. A guy who married her would still be expected to pay for stuff for her and swear off other women as if she was a legitimate wife filling a wife's role in his life, though. That's of course only up until the time she wants to sell his body parts for whatever she can get for them. Think of the two Slovakian sluts in the movie "Hostel" getting cash for leading the two young guys to the human torture slaughterhouse; here in the U.S. we call that "Family Court".

 

[Kayak]

In our extended family, the "responsible" adults with good jobs either don't have kids or only have one or maybe two. The drug addicts without a job have three or more kids, and I don't see those kids breaking out of what their parents are teaching them.

 

[Momof5]

It is trendy to be gay, bi or whatever. People love their pets more than people, they make them into their babies. By the time they figure out they want kids they hit stumbling blocks, they think they are too old, now they are scared, they no longer can. I have met so many women who never had kids that now have reproductive disease's, like ovarian cyst, tumors, etc I assume may be from being on birth control do long. Our bodies are made to carry children.

 

[Grumphau]

My sense of things agrees with the Gen Z Female Reader in the OP. I was talking with my wife about these issues and she told me that it's not uncommon for girls to feel some level of attraction to the same sex when they are adolescent. I asked why and she said "girls are pretty" and boys at that age... well you know how they are.

Then there is the "in group" and "out group" thing, like she said. Being "bi" makes you "safe". I think this is the train that some boys are climbing into, deciding they're "trans". In think this probably primarily afflicts urban Whites too, though I don't have numbers. In the Woke culture, you can't be part of the in crowd (power holding group) if you're white, unless you're LGBTQ.

 

[Troke]

I had 3 children, youngest died at 10 yo. My son married at 20, and had 1st child at 21. He and DIL have 2 children, and she said she will have no more, as she wants a career. Unfortunately, she does not see the “value” in children.
My oldest daughter never married, but she really wants to. She is getting close to being past child bearing years real soon now, so I’m not sure she will ever have children.
So, I will only have 2 grandchildren. The GC have no first cousins because of what I stated above, and because my DIL’s sister is lesbian, so no kids from her end. The GC will never grow up with cousins, and my grandson is the very last in the family line, so unless he marries and at least has a son, our family name ends with him.

My grt grandfather had five sons. The name, which is unique, is now carried on in the 4th gen. by one adopted son. I know nothing about his family, don't even know if he has one.

 

[ainitfunny]

Wasn't what every adult did, even back in the day. Masses of European people went into monestaries and convents, died in battle, worked in "service" for genteel houses, worked in poor houses, or in schools. Marriage and family were not actually viable for many in the lesser classes. You needed property, or a paying profession. The oldest son married and took over the farm. His brothers had to find something else to do, apprenticeships were long and barely paid enough to eat. Silly to claim these people weren't "real" adults!

Oh, BS. I am so tired of people just searching for some darned EXCEPTION that they feel “nullifies the rule” ! That post does not make you sound smarter. It just makes you seem unable to say anything that contributes to the discussion so you just focus on trying to destroy other people’s comments with wild exceptions.
We were much better off when the “fringes” of society were NOT allowed to make the rules for the overwhelming majority of normal people!

Soon, Michelle Obama’s food choices FOR school children, may become the Socialist rulers FOOD CHOICES FOR YOU, be ready for elitists deciding they are not going to ALLOW YOU to make any or even all the personal choices you now enjoy, because they think they know better what you should eat, drink, where you should work, whether you NEED a car, or bicycle, how modestly you should dress, what you are allowed to say, where and when you will be allowed to travel, who you will be allowed to be friends with, who you are allowed to share your writings/videos with or publish, hunting ad fishing will be outright outlawed except for a certain number of the elite who will be given “designated wildlife culling permits”.

The elitist rulers will decide whether you will be licensed/permitted to have your own child, how large a home “they think you need”, who will be allowed to buy/share liquor, who will be permitted (and how much) to buy TRIPLE (300%) TAXED SUGAR, candy, Cookies, chocolate, junk food, and sugary soda pop under socialist “health laws”, who will be ALLOWED to go to College, who will be allowed to apply for government jobs and contracts, when, how and where you will be allowed to practice your religion.

The government will decide how much electricity and water they think you should be allotted, whether you ought to be allowed access to the internet (according to how submissive and compliant you are to socialist, absolute rule) they will decide what “volunteer activities” you ought to (Or else) be engaged in during your free time after work. Obesity WILL make you a TARGET for intense scrutiny and more loss of self control and choices. Unpaid, intense PHYSICAL LABOR Will be renamed OBLIGATORY physical exercise times.( community and neighborhood enforced) Privacy then will be unheard of.

 

[Starrkopf]

What rule? nobody is guaranteed the ability, nor should everyone raise children just because they exist and have reached a certain age. I'm certainly not going to take that upon myself on your say so. I already know what the outcome would be and I'm not sacrificing myself (and certainly not going to drag another human being into that nightmare) just so I can fit someone's simplified view of how the world works.

 

[Faroe]

I'm not even reading that.
Ainit, GET OVER YOURSELF!

 

[Troke]

Wasn't what every adult did, even back in the day. Masses of European people went into monestaries and convents, died in battle, worked in "service" for genteel houses, worked in poor houses, or in schools. Marriage and family were not actually viable for many in the lesser classes. You needed property, or a paying profession. The oldest son married and took over the farm. His brothers had to find something else to do, apprenticeships were long and barely paid enough to eat. Silly to claim these people weren't "real" adults!

His brothers had to find something else to do, apprenticeships were long and barely paid enough to eat.

My Grt Grandfather's eldest brother got the farm. Gramp and his brother were trained as tailors, that being a solid profession in those days. (No off the rack clothes in those days.) My grt grnd uncle practiced for about one year and then homesteaded. My Grt Grandfather found an aptitude for carpentry. His two last buildings to survive (a church and a house) went down in 2016. Not too bad for something he built in 1878-80.

 

[ainitfunny]

What rule? nobody is guaranteed the ability, nor should everyone raise children just because they exist and have reached a certain age. I'm certainly not going to take that upon myself on your say so. I already know what the outcome would be and I'm not sacrificing myself (and certainly not going to drag another human being into that nightmare) just so I can fit someone's simplified view of how the world works.

You are not familiar with the word “rule” used as a reference to the NORM?, what the overwhelming majority of people do/ practice/accept as “best practice?”
It sounds strange to the unchurched to look at the world through the lens of the word of God,
but I am reminded that “It is not good for man to be alone”, the woman was created as A HELPER to the man”, that “children are a good gift from God” That LOVE IS A DECISION, not merely an Emotion that either happens, or doesent.

 

[Melodi]

A slightly dated now but amazing book showing how people REALLY lived, loved,and married in 17th - 19th century England based on Church Records, interview with people then over 100 years old (in 1965) and yep, if you didn't have a "place" in society you didn't marry.

That doesn't mean people didn't have sex, but there were also a lot of little unmarked graves along nearly every roadside in England; life was very harsh for unwed Mothers.

The Average Age of marriage, except in the upper classes that could afford it was in the early to middle 20s, with many people never marrying at all.

Don't believe me, read the book...

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[Starrkopf]

Best practice is one thing, and I agree society is upside down, everyone that wants to raise a family ought to be afforded some path by society to do so. but there will always be those that shouldn't or won't want to do so. The main problem we have today is the elites have put artificial barriers in place to discourage this even for those that want it.

Nobody however should be forced into it against their will.

 

[ainitfunny]

Well, i would agree with that up to the point that some use that to justify murdering children in their mothers womb, that is flat out murder. If you dont want kids dont have sex, get sterilized, or give them up for adoption to others who will love and care for them.

 

[summerthyme]

Oh, BS. I am so tired of people just searching for some darned EXCEPTION that they feel “nullifies the rule” ! That post does not make you sound smarter. It just makes you seem unable to say anything that contributes to the discussion so you just focus on trying to destroy other people’s comments with wild exceptions.
We were much better off when the “fringes” of society were NOT allowed to make the rules for the overwhelming majority of normal people!

Soon, Michelle Obama’s food choices FOR school children, may become the Socialist rulers FOOD CHOICES FOR YOU, be ready for elitists deciding they are not going to ALLOW YOU to make any or even all the personal choices you now enjoy, because they think they know better what you should eat, drink, where you should work, whether you NEED a car, or bicycle, how modestly you should dress, what you are allowed to say, where and when you will be allowed to travel, who you will be allowed to be friends with, who you are allowed to share your writings/videos with or publish, hunting ad fishing will be outright outlawed except for a certain number of the elite who will be given “designated wildlife culling permits”.

The elitist rulers will decide whether you will be licensed/permitted to have your own child, how large a home “they think you need”, who will be allowed to buy/share liquor, who will be permitted (and Tophow much) to buy TRIPLE (300%) TAXED SUGAR, candy, Cookies, chocolate, junk food, and sugary soda pop under socialist “health laws”, who will be ALLOWED to go to College, who will be allowed to apply for government jobs and contracts, when, how and where you will be allowed to practice your religion.

The government will decide how much electricity and water they think you should be allotted, whether you ought to be allowed access to the internet (according to how submissive and compliant you are to socialist, absolute rule) they will decide what “volunteer activities” you ought to (Or else) be engaged in during your free time after work. Obesity WILL make you a TARGET for intense scrutiny and more loss of self control and choices. Unpaid, intense PHYSICAL LABOR Will be renamed OBLIGATORY physical exercise times.( community and neighborhood enforced) Privacy then will be unheard of.

And WHAT does ANY of that have to do with the FACTS that Faroe provided? THEY WEREN'T "EXCEPTIONS"... there were many, many people who simply never married, due to social and economic status. There was no "welfare" or "food stamps", much less HUD housing and all the help currently in vogue. Sure, many poor people married and started producing kids- who then died from malnutrition, cold, or any of the myriad diseases which were endemic at the time.

Recognizing the truth of how people lived in history does NOT negate the potential issues we're facing as a country. Maybe YOU should calm down and think a bit, because your emotional rants are really below what you are capable of intellectually.

Summerthyme

 

[Melodi]

Well, i would agree with that up to the point that some use that to justify murdering children in their mothers womb, that is flat out murder. If you dont want kids dont have sex, get sterilized, or give them up for adoption to others who will love and care for them.

In the 17th-19th century England they didn't usually murder children in their Mother's wombs, instead, records show there was simply no support for women or their children born out of wedlock; instead they were just tossed out "onto the road" to die.

The only line of work open to these women usually was prostitution, which of course created more little graves by the roadside.

There is more than one way to murder unwanted babies, starvation will also do the trick.

 

[ainitfunny]

And WHAT does ANY of that have to do with the FACTS that Faroe provided? THEY WEREN'T "EXCEPTIONS"... there were many, many people who simply never married, due to social and economic status. There was no "welfare" or "food stamps", much less HUD housing and all the help currently in vogue. Sure, many poor people married and started producing kids- who then died from malnutrition, cold, or any of the myriad diseases which were endemic at the time.

Recognizing the truth of how people lived in history does NOT negate the potential issues we're facing as a country. Maybe YOU should calm down and think a bit, because your emotional rants are really below what you are capable of intellectually.

Summerthyme

My mother was the 18th child of “you have no idea how poor a family!”
They were immigrants from Czechoslovakia whose nice, extreme rural home burned down during the depths of the depression. Nobody in any time or nation had it harder. There was no welfare then.
Few would understand or believe what/how they survived In the remotest, wildest part of NW Pennsylvania woods. Poor doesnt equate to unable to have children WITH GODS HELP.
NONE of her siblings ever went to jail, all of those boys served during WW2 except one who had diabetes and was rejected. They all were law abiding, hard working, self sufficient Christians who served their churches, neighbors and communities. They dug coal on their property, to cook and heat, they drank from an artesian well that bubbled up pure water. They ate fish from the streams, venison, bear, squirrel, rabbits, wild turkeys, and other game and vegetables from their garden, gathered honey, and traded for other things. Their bread and jam was home made.they made their own sauerkraut and pickles and clothes. Neighbors gave them old shoes.

 

[jward]

I of course understand the reasoning behind citing old models of female to female relationships, but find that to be comparing apple to oranges, as the rules governing and the pay offs sought were distinctly different than those in todays' lesbian/bi constructs.

The one thing I've not seen mentioned is it's just the newest thing people blame for the self loathing that permeates this, and most, if not all, societies these days. People are not healthy. They are not happy. It's racism, sexism, the lack of the vote, the mores and expectations of society, It's religion, it's patriarchy it's it's its---- Its a bottomless pit of a hole, and until it is properly named, understood, filled, and healed, people will reach out and embrace the latest explanation for what makes it feel so awful, and what needs to change to make it stop hurting.

 

[Carl2]

As I recall from a class in family history in Britain, 16th to 19th centuries, many children were not christened until about 18 months old. This was because many did not live that long. Perhaps the future is to be like Cyril Kornbluth envisioned in his story "The Marching Morons", alas.

 

[anna43]

The women's movement has pushed to the point women aren't happy being a woman they want to be a man in the world. If you choose the husband working and wife keeping the home and raising children lifestyle you will take a lot of grief from friends and co-workers. If you choose to have more than 2 or 3 children you'll be scorned. I'm all for woman getting an education and working in a career before starting a family, but I'm old fashioned enough to believe that one parent (either will do) should stay home to raise the children.

There is a lot of justification for women wanting to stay in the workforce. The prevalence of divorce, especially for women being left at age 50 so hubby can marry a 25 year old, means not to have a career or education is a disaster. I know of many woman who stayed home to raise a family then end up divorced who are desperate. One such lady got 18 months alimony then nothing. She started community college right away using the alimony to live on but when that ran out started living on student loans because she could not find a job. Last I heard she'd decided to go on for a masters because even with a BA could not find work. I told her its unlikely anyone is going to hire someone 60 years old in an entry level job when she'd be retirement age by the time she's a useful employee. To make her situation even sadder those student loans will be taken out of her social security. I can almost guarantee that any of her daughters will never want to leave the work force long enough to raise a child nor any other young lady who has seen this happen.

I agree Christian Conservative families in rural areas especially are more likely to have large families. I know one family with 13 children and another with 9 that attend the same church. Five or six children are more typical of a large family but most are sticking to two or three. Responsible parents want to provide the best for their children and finances often dictate small families to achieve that goal.