CORONA New Study Finds That Long COVID May Not Actually Exist

[Troke]

New Study Finds That Long COVID May Not Actually Exist

A new National Institutes of Health (NIH) study is raising questions about just how real

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New Study Finds That Long COVID May Not Actually Exist

DYLAN HOUSMAN
HEALTHCARE REPORTER
May 24, 2022

A new National Institutes of Health (NIH) study is raising questions about just how real “long COVID” is.

The study found that there was no evidence of long-term COVID-19 infection in patients who were six or more weeks removed from the onset of symptoms, even if those patients reported that they were experiencing “long COVID.” Further, the study found that individuals who reported having long COVID were disproportionately women and individuals with history of anxiety disorders.

“Exploratory studies found no evidence of persistent viral infection, autoimmunity, or abnormal immune activation in participants with PASC,” the authors concluded. “Abnormal findings on physical examination and diagnostic testing were uncommon.”

The study enrolled 189 people with lab-documented cases of COVID-19, who were at least six weeks from the onset of symptoms, and 120 control participants who tested negative for COVID-19 antibodies. Fifty-five percent of those who had been infected reported symptoms consistent with PASC (long COVID), while 13% of the control group reported symptoms of PASC. Those who had PASC symptoms reported lower quality of life on standardized tests. (RELATED: New York Times Issues Embarrassing Correction For COVID Data)

Participants were given a physical examination, lab tests and questionnaires, cognitive tests and a cardiopulmonary evaluation. The researchers concluded that there was no identifiable cause of the PASC symptoms in most cases. The authors noted some limitations, including the fact that most participants had only mild cases of COVID-19 and that the rate of PASC symptoms could be increased due to persons with symptoms being more motivated to enroll in the study.

The publication of the findings has ignited further debate about whether long COVID is a legitimate physical ailment, or more often a psychological disorder that persists after recovering from the virus. Clinical research on the subject is mixed. Some alarmists about long COVID have cited it as a reason to further impose policies like mask and vaccine mandates.

 

[wobble]

LOL

 

[West]

I muse that long covid, is mostly a long vaxed/booster aliment.

See it with friends and family that have got the shots.

 

[glennb6]

My opinion, is LONG cv is a long scam, much is vaccine (cough cough) induced illnesses up to and including immune system deficiency, simply being in poor heath.
The attempt to qualify LongCV as a genuine affliction is the same as trying to do same for CV scam illness.

Shoot! If you get the flu it can last for months and if your health was poor to begin with, you are a fat lay about slug who's diet is potato chips, soda, and such, yea - your illness is bound to linger on and on.

 

[flying screwdriver]

No tissue biopsies, no ultrasensitive research-level viral assays, no IgE / IgG / IgM differentiation tests.
Only standard tests and psych evals.

That’s not research, it’s gaslighting, a release of preliminary results.
Study is still ongoing, and expanding.

For his part, Sneller agrees and says he's continuing to study these and other long COVID patients with more sophisticated tests. And a huge new NIH study is enrolling thousands of patients to try to finally get to the bottom of long COVID.

A new federal study is trying to solve some of the mysterious about long-COVID

 

[wobble]

No tissue biopsies, no ultrasensitive research-level viral assays, no IgE / IgG / IgM differentiation tests.
Only standard tests and psych evals.

That’s not research, it’s gaslighting, a release of preliminary results.
Study is still ongoing, and expanding.



A new federal study is trying to solve some of the mysterious about long-COVID

Link seems to be broken...

 

[GB Appling]

idk i can't smell and hardly taste 9 months later.

 

[Thinwater]

I don't know what to call it but my step daughter lost her smell and taste over 8 months ago from covid and never got it back. She is healthy otherwise.

 

[Millwright]

It's still dealing me misery.

 

[TheSearcher]

I don't know if this study really proves anything either way, but the topic seems destined to become an intentionality foggy one. It seems to me that certain players want it that way, though I can't prove it.

ETA: I am NOT referring to Troke.

 

[Dobbin]

Owner reports that his breathing is "wheezy." He indicates he can wake at night out of a sound sleep by his "death rattle." (He's being funny I think.)

He consulted with his doctor and she says "your allergies." And "You have exposure to farm animals and established 'seasonal allergies.'"

During the day he seems fine - I don't detect any wheezing.

He also reports an occasional "lack of energy."

Dobbin

 

[wobble]

I don't know if this study really proves anything either way, but the topic seems destined to become an intentionality foggy one. It seems to me that certain players want it that way, though I can't prove it.

ETA: I am NOT referring to Troke.

I was having a similar vein of thought that this will lead to psych evaluation of unvaxxed who claim to have long covid.
Sort of along the lines in the earlier days of morgellons.

 

[Border Collie Dad]

"Short" covid may not exist either.
Can't seem to isolate that pesky virus let alone prove it causes disease

 

[TheSearcher]

I was having a similar vein of thought that this will lead to psych evaluation of unvaxxed who claim to have long covid.
Sort of along the lines in the earlier days of morgellons.

An interesting thought.

 

[Kathy in FL]

I think they need to stop trying to put everything under the one heading of “long” covid. It would appear to be a misnomer.

First, yes there are undoubtedly mental health issues that can be exacerbated by illness. People can get fixated and for lack of a better word, become hypochondriacs but that certainly doesn’t mean that everyone is a hypochondriac.

Next, cold and flu viruses are known to harm body systems and sometimes that can be permanently. It is called “viral damage” and yes that damage can often be found in the nasal and bronchial areas of the body and can be permanent. I wouldn’t call that “long covid” either since it is already a known consequence of just about any virus.

Chronic fatigue is already a real thing and it too is a known consequence of viral infections, not just covid.

Calling something “Long Covid” suggests that someone still suffers from covid when what they really have are known potential consequences of any kind of viral infection. It may be a matter of semantics but it is certainly more likely to get a better treatment plan established.

 

[Thinwater]

"Short" covid may not exist either.
Can't seem to isolate that pesky virus let alone prove it causes disease

Yep, it is a figment of all of our imagination, the sickness, the deaths, all of the members we lost here, it did not happen, virus' are not real. One person getting it and passing it on to their entire family with many deaths among them was not from covid, it was from 5G nano Graboids and graphine with a little chem trail mixed in.

 

[WalknTrot]

The study found that there was no evidence of long-term COVID-19 infection in patients who were six or more weeks removed from the onset of symptoms, even if those patients reported that they were experiencing “long COVID.” Further, the study found that individuals who reported having long COVID were disproportionately women and individuals with history of anxiety disorders.

About as I suspected.

 

[krf248]

I have a cough from about 9am to noon. Can literally set a watch to it. I didn't think much about until a colleague who also recovered from covid reported the same thing. I'm surprised there's no mention of the distinction between Covid (the symptoms) and sars-cov-2 (the virus). BTW I'm unvaxxed, colleague was vaxxed

 

[lisa]

I think the general recovery time from a bad case of covid may just be longer than say,the flu and people are saying it's long covid when it's just general recovery stuff. I had dengue in 2007, a bad case of swine flu in 2009 and covid in January. Recovery times for dengue and swine flue was about 3 months before I felt normal again. Dengue was worse overall...but swine flu got complicated with shingles. Covid recovery was complicated for about about 6 weeks...I did have a few side issues and as usual with any major illness my asthma was triggered. I had issues with my appetite,and weird dizzy spells for a short time and pain in my sternum for a bit but that eventually faded away too. I think people need to realize that just because the fever or whatever is gone doesn't mean we aren't still recovering.

 

[Melodi]

Anyone with fibro, CFS, polycystic ovarian disease (which despite the name can affect men, hence the new term PCOS), or any other chronic, hard-to-detect, or diagnosed condition will recognize this sort of gaslighting.

Basically, the researchers, the pharmaceutical companies (who have the research money), and overworked doctors simply throw up their hands and say, "since we can find a cause, it must not be there."

While doctors getting frustrated is understandable, it is also understandable that many are happy to hear, "Oh it is all in their heads, give them an antidepressant, and maybe they will go away," what the larger medical research/hospital/pharmaceutical industrial complex is really saying is:

"We can't find a cause, so we can't provide any treatment that will make us all that lovely money, so it must be all in your head - after all, we write and publish the studies and we determine the outcome."

 

[Millwright]

It has really screwed up my seasonal allergies.

https://www.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/allergies-after-the-woohooflu.619543/

 

[flame]

idk i can't smell and hardly taste 9 months later.

same here, I hope to taste food again some day...ah, well...

 

[kyrsyan]

My view of long COVID has always been that it's someone whose body was having more problems recovering than the gen pop and may have taken some permanent damage. I know one or two who have permanent lung issues now because of COVID.
It never occurred to me that people actually thought they were still fighting the virus in the body. I would have expected that testing would have quickly proven/disproven that.

 

[lisa]

same here, I hope to taste food again some day...ah, well...

My husbands sense of taste is just now returning after 4 months.

 

[meezy]

idk i can't smell and hardly taste 9 months later.

I can taste things, but can't smell much. Sometimes. It comes and goes. Was really sad when our lilacs bloomed.

 

[pauldingbabe]

Every person is different and it takes as long as it takes to heal sometimes. Not everyone is going to be "healed" at the same time.

I think that the med establishment is saying there is no "long" CoV because they don't want a shit ton of people going on disability.

Oh, and I love the "it's all in your head, you hysterical person, you". Hysteria and anxiety, killing people since the dawn of time. It's all in your head is a diagnosis NO ONE wants to hear.

 

[Teeja]

I never got any vax at all (never will). I got COVID early-on, and Ivermectin cured the initial illness quickly. However, my "long-COVID" produces headaches, a lack of energy, a "popping/crackling" sound (or rather 'feeling') when I breathe in deeply (which no one else can hear or detect), and to this day, everything tastes "different". No "mental" issues at all. All physical issues.

My doctor has no clue and keeps suggesting all sorts of possible "solutions" over the past couple of years- each time it's something different -- ie-- get more exercise, then don't exercise as much, then do some stretching exercises, then don't eat too much red meat, drink more water, then reduce your salt intake, then eat more green leafy vegis... on and on. Clearly, he's "practicing medicine" because he hasn't gotten it right yet.

Then he goes on asking questions about me being "depressed". (of course I'm not depressed at all).

After so much of that nonsense, when I have my regular doctor appointments, he asks, "How are you feeling now?". I gave up, and now answer him "Just fine, doc. Just fine, just renew my prescriptions please".

 

[Border Collie Dad]

Yep, it is a figment of all of our imagination, the sickness, the deaths, all of the members we lost here, it did not happen, virus' are not real. One person getting it and passing it on to their entire family with many deaths among them was not from covid, it was from 5G nano Graboids and graphine with a little chem trail mixed in.

Most deaths can be explained without a bug being the cause

 

[Dozdoats]

But ... but ... MUH SCIENCE!

 

[Blastoff]

Damage due to the virus being allowed to attack the body without any medical treatment. Had Covid in late Jan, hair is falling out by the handful still.

 

[Thinwater]

Most deaths can be explained without a bug being the cause

Like when my daughters best friends 44 year old boss got it then died, her best friend got it from him and gave it to my daughter who was very sick from it and gave it to me, I nearly died from it. I am 55, 605 230 lbs and was in perfect health. My daughters hair nearly all fell out. I have not been to a Dr for any reason for over 15 years. Many members here also got it and died. You can "Explain it away" all you want, it is still a big fat lie and very dismissive of all who have suffered the loss of loved ones from this virus and who suffered from it, not to mention all of the members here still suffering from it.

 

[Troke]

I can taste things, but can't smell much. Sometimes. It comes and goes. Was really sad when our lilacs bloomed.

I can empathize. Lily of the Valley and Lilacs were my favorite fragrances . No more.

 

[meandk0610]

Long COVID is not about having an ongoing COVID infection. It’s when your own immune system has gone haywire because of COVID. It’s just like what happens in ME/CFS but with a different trigger.

 

[Hazard]

Anyone with fibro, CFS, polycystic ovarian disease (which despite the name can affect men, hence the new term PCOS), or any other chronic, hard-to-detect, or diagnosed condition will recognize this sort of gaslighting.

Basically, the researchers, the pharmaceutical companies (who have the research money), and overworked doctors simply throw up their hands and say, "since we can find a cause, it must not be there."

While doctors getting frustrated is understandable, it is also understandable that many are happy to hear, "Oh it is all in their heads, give them an antidepressant, and maybe they will go away," what the larger medical research/hospital/pharmaceutical industrial complex is really saying is:

"We can't find a cause, so we can't provide any treatment that will make us all that lovely money, so it must be all in your head - after all, we write and publish the studies and we determine the outcome."

Just like Lyme Disease.....

 

[Wildwood]

Damage due to the virus being allowed to attack the body without any medical treatment. Had Covid in late Jan, hair is falling out by the handful still.

I had it in early February and mine is too. If I lose much more, I'll have to cut it to shoulder length and then chin length. I look horrible with short hair.

 

[Wildwood]

I believe there is hope for long covid. Like I mentioned in the above post, I came down with it the first part of February and have had lingering fatigue and respiratory symptoms not to mention, I finally felt my age and looked it.

About a month ago, I started working on my garden and just had to force myself. It was overwhelming and depressing but the last two weeks, I've been out in the sun a lot wearing cut off jeans and t-shirts and I believe it's helped because just in the last couple days, I feel close to normal. My theory is the extra vitamin D has made the difference. I've kept taking the D and C every day but all the sun has more than likely upped my dose to a theraputic one. The only down side is the better I feel, the more my hair is falling out. I lost more than ever when I washed it last night...literal handfuls but on a brighter note, I noticed my face looked more like it did before covid and not so haggard. I'll take it. From what I've heard, most people's hair is growing back. If it would just grow back brown instead of gray, I'd really be happy LOL.

 

[Flippper]

idk i can't smell and hardly taste 9 months later.

Flu depletes zinc among other nutrients. Low zinc affects smell/taste, you might think about upping your zinc supplementation and see what happens.

 

[Flippper]

I believe there is hope for long covid. Like I mentioned in the above post, I came down with it the first part of February and have had lingering fatigue and respiratory symptoms not to mention, I finally felt my age and looked it.

About a month ago, I started working on my garden and just had to force myself. It was overwhelming and depressing but the last two weeks, I've been out in the sun a lot wearing cut off jeans and t-shirts and I believe it's helped because just in the last couple days, I feel close to normal. My theory is the extra vitamin D has made the difference. I've kept taking the D and C every day but all the sun has more than likely upped my dose to a theraputic one. The only down side is the better I feel, the more my hair is falling out. I lost more than ever when I washed it last night...literal handfuls but on a brighter note, I noticed my face looked more like it did before covid and not so haggard. I'll take it. From what I've heard, most people's hair is growing back. If it would just grow back brown instead of gray, I'd really be happy LOL.

Lots of people who had covid have lost hair due to the stress on the body the illness caused, low protein intake, low nutrients. Gray hair is a sign of low zinc and/or copper. Do not take these together, do not take copper if eating beef as it has zinc. Take selenium with copper to help the body absorb it. Also if you take collagen it can help restore your hair-remember to take vitamin c with collagen.

High dose D3/K2 and you will get slight to no covid. Keto diet also helps as the coof seems to cause worst trouble with diabetics. Hope this info helps

 

[Wildwood]

Lots of people who had covid have lost hair due to the stress on the body the illness caused, low protein intake, low nutrients. Gray hair is a sign of low zinc and/or copper. Do not take these together, do not take copper if eating beef as it has zinc. Take selenium with copper to help the body absorb it. Also if you take collagen it can help restore your hair-remember to take vitamin c with collagen.

High dose D3/K2 and you will get slight to no covid. Keto diet also helps as the coof seems to cause worst trouble with diabetics. Hope this info helps

Thank you for that info, Flippper. I normally eat a high protein diet but was so nauseated during the first week or so of covid that I could hardly keep anything down. I believe I would have starved to death without Carnation Instant Breakfast, now known as Carnation Essentials. I take a fair amount of zinc but the only copper I get is in my multiple vitamin.

 

[Melodi]

Hazard said:
Just like Lyme Disease.....

Thanks, I realized later I should have added that one, but it isn't as common this side of the water - but we have lots of people with Chronic Fatigue, Fibro, and even undiagnosed real Celiac (happens when for 500 years your major starch is a potato and only the elites eat wheat).

Lots of people in Ireland suffered and had horrific health problems from genetic Celiac alone. I was very lucky, my doctor was really up on things and realized I had fibromyalgia before I'd ever heard of it. That made it easier to deal with all the "it is in your head," or "what these patients suffer from is an aversion to exercise" nonsense that was popular in the early 2000s.

My friend that lived here while she was pregnant (with her husband) was one of the first waves of people discovered to have genetic Celiac disease - today you can get all sorts of wheat-free products here, but back then nearly everything was made with maize corn in the US (most commercial products including baking powder) were made with wheat over here.

The maternity hospital thought she was just being "difficult" and told her to provide her "own" food as they were not set up to cater to such "fancies" as wheat-free food!

That was 20 years ago, I can keep track of the years now by how old her daughter is lol