HEALTH New evidence of vaccine induced Autism

milkydoo

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83 Cases of Autism Associated with Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensated in Federal Vaccine Court

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...sated-in-federal-vaccine-court-121570673.html

Government program has been quietly paying awards to vaccine-injured children with autism for two decades but continues to deny vaccine-autism link. SafeMinds calls for immediate Congressional investigations.

WASHINGTON, May 10, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is being released by SafeMinds (www.SafeMinds.org):

For over 20 years, the federal government has publicly denied a vaccine-autism link, while at the same time its Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) has been awarding damages for vaccine injury to children with brain damage, seizures and autism. A new investigation, based on verifiable government data, breaks ground in the controversial vaccine-autism debate. The investigation found that a substantial number of children compensated for vaccine injury also have autism and that such cases have existed since 1989, the year after the VICP was formed.

SafeMinds' Executive Director, Lyn Redwood, RN, MSN comments, "This study dramatically shifts the debate on autism and vaccines. The question is no longer, Can vaccines cause autism? The answer is clear. Now, we have to ask, How many cases of autism have vaccines caused and how do we prevent new injuries from occurring?" The government has asserted that it "does not track" autism among the vaccine-injured. SafeMinds responds that not looking is the easiest way not to find something. SafeMinds is calling for immediate federal research into the mechanisms of injury in these children in an effort to protect other children from harm and Congressional action to reform the VICP.

The peer-reviewed study looked at cases of vaccine injury that have been monetarily compensated by the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. It was published today in the Pace Environmental Law Review. The study investigated approximately 1300 cases of childhood brain injury as a result of vaccines in which the Special Masters ruled for the plaintiffs, looking for references to autism, symptoms of autism or disorders commonly associated with autism. It reports that twenty-one cases actually stated "autism or autism-like symptoms" in the court records. The researchers then identified and contacted 150 more compensated families to find out whether the children had autism. They were able to find an additional 62 cases (greater than 40% of their sample) for a total of 83 cases of autism. In 39 cases (47%) there was confirmation of autism beyond parental report.

The federal government has called autism a "national health emergency," conservatively affecting 1 in 110 children and costing the country billions of dollars each year. If a portion of autism cases are vaccine-induced and there is evidence that officials have been "looking the other way," this cannot be tolerated. The VICP's recent attempt to dismiss the over 5000 cases in the Omnibus Autism Proceedings is suspect in light of these new findings based on its own records.

SafeMinds calls on Congress to fully investigate the VICP, the only forum in which parents may bring claims of vaccine injury on behalf of their children.
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Don't worry... I asked a few of the members here ( I'm sure they will be forthcoming ) and they said "Hogwash! Vaccines are perfectly safe!"
 

NC Susan

Deceased
off topic, but another consideration....
women just do not gain enough weight when pregnant to give their offspring intelligence. We are having more and more dimwits born because of their mothers vanities and doctors not realizing how critical nutrition is to pregnant women.........not calories but NUTRITION. BIG difference.
 

Digger

Veteran Member
This is a big problem. I wish doctors would find the cause, be it shots, lack of nutrition, or the vaccines. I know both my younger grandchildren do not talk like they should. The 3 year old had hearing issues that were corrected and seems to have helped some. But the 2 year old does not have the vocabulary he should. I worry for their future.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
language isnt learned from a tv show as easily as one on one with a mommy. Day Care is no substitute for learning either. throw a bunch of kids into a mob and they learn mob. Settle a child on its mothers knee and have it learn to listen quietly to a story and it learns language, patience, listening, curiosity, and love.

And from my city life view - more parents seem to verbally berate and bash kids than explain the first time why no means no. or stop means stop. Nobody instructs or explains things to kids. not in stores, not in restaurants.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
for those on facebook there is a very informative page updated globally- look it up as V.I.N.E.: Vaccination Information Network (V.I.N.E.)
here is a sample of todays posts last hour

NC school district to give away iPod, laptop to children who participate in vaccination contest
Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
May 09, 2011
http:// www.naturalnews.com/032330_vaccines_iPod.html#ixzz1M3mj204R
Vaccination goes hand in hand with bribery and corruption
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School system bribing kids to get vaccines get letter from an amazing attorney!
http:// www.vaccinerights.com/pdf/5-9-11-NC-Ltr-Sch-Spt-Pedersen-re-vax-contest.pdf
www.vaccinerights.com
May 6, 2010
http://rakhealthmatters.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/can-you-hear-me-now/
Health hazards
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Florida Legislature Refuses to Limit Mercury in Vaccines
May 9, 2011
http:// www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fl...s-to-limit-mercury-in-vaccines-121503409.html
Thiomersal: mercury in vaccines
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
This is a big problem. I wish doctors would find the cause, be it shots, lack of nutrition, or the vaccines. I know both my younger grandchildren do not talk like they should. The 3 year old had hearing issues that were corrected and seems to have helped some. But the 2 year old does not have the vocabulary he should. I worry for their future.

Does anyone read to them? and are they given books as gifts?
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
This is a big problem. I wish doctors would find the cause, be it shots, lack of nutrition, or the vaccines. I know both my younger grandchildren do not talk like they should. The 3 year old had hearing issues that were corrected and seems to have helped some. But the 2 year old does not have the vocabulary he should. I worry for their future.

Does anyone read to them? and are they given books as gifts?
 

inynmn

Inactive
Link - Autism Epicenter: http://www.autismepicenter.com/autism-and-vaccines.shtml


A Serious Issue: Autism and Vaccines

Since the 1970’s, the number of recommended vaccines before school age has jumped from 10 to 36, with the increase in autism following that trajectory. The myth that this increase is due to better diagnosis has been soundly debunked.5 Why the huge leap in the number of shots? It all began in 1986 when a law was enacted shielding vaccine manufacturers from liability. Vaccine makers had threatened to stop producing vaccines due to crippling lawsuits for vaccine injuries and deaths.

The government has awarded nearly $2 billion to families of vaccine-damaged children while telling us vaccines are “safe.” Vaccines are also contributing to the U.S. having one of the highest infant mortality rates of all industrialized nations, with “SIDS” spiking at the same time infants receive their 2-month and 4-month shots.6 The medical establishment calls this “coincidence,” as they do the thousands of reports by parents that their children regressed into autism following vaccines. CDC has never conducted safety studies of multiple vaccines; shots have only been studied singly.

The link between autism and vaccines is so well established by science, approximately 500 peer-reviewed studies show this association – from animal studies in which rats and monkeys show traits of autism after receiving vaccines, to an autopsy study conducted at Harvard which showed mercury in the brains of deceased autistic people. Mercury has long been at the center of the autism and vaccines controversy because a vaccine preservative called Thimerosal is used in most childhood immunizations. Though reduced to “trace amounts” between 2001 and 2003, the flu shot was added to the schedule around that time – recommended annually from infancy through age 18 - with the full 25 mcg's of Thimerosal in most shots - including to pregnant women. Mercury has an affinity for the fetus as well as for the brain and central nervous system. The FDA has never done safety studies of Thimerosal, and a congressional committee concluded the epidemic may have been prevented “had the FDA not been asleep at the switch…indicative of institutional malfeasance for self-protection and misplaced protectionism of the pharmaceutical industry.”8

Similarities between symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism are too numerous to be coincidental.9 Pharmaceutical companies tout 14 very flawed epidemiological studies showing no link between autism and vaccines - reminiscent of the tobacco companies telling us for 50 years that 23 epidemiological studies showed no link between smoking and lung cancer. Autism has been reversed following chelation of mercury and DAN methods, but the medical community claims such cases were originally misdiagnosed.11

Former CDC Director Gerberding told CNN that vaccines can trigger autism in a susceptible subset of children.12 And Dr. Bernadine Healy, former NIH Director, told CBS News that she thinks that the public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the autism and vaccines hypothesis as irrational.13 She said public health officials have intentionally avoided researching whether subsets of children are “susceptible” to vaccine side effects - afraid the answer will scare the public.

We need to follow an alternate vaccine schedule. Educate before you vaccinate!

• Every 11 minutes a child is born who will soon be diagnosed with some form of autism1

• 46,670 children born per year will have autism2

• It is the fastest growing developmental disability3

• 1 in 91 children have autism4

• 90% of the costs associated with autism are due to adult services5

• 128 children are diagnosed with ASD daily6

• 20 to 30 percent of children with autism develop epilepsy7



• Boys are approximately 4 times more likely to have autism than girls

• Life expectancy is normal, although this is debatable due to dangerous and self-injurous behaviors in many autistics

• Early diagnosis and intervention can reduce the lifelong costs by as much as 2/3

• A known cause or cure for autism does not exist
 

Kent

Inactive
Boys are approximately 4 times more likely to have autism than girls

I guess they must take 4 times the Vaccines then?

The study in no way produces New evidence of vaccine induced Autism (IMHO)that I could find. It appears to be a peer reviewed LEGAL study of cases of people who have been compensated for damages from vaccines. Autism was found in some of the victims, which would be expected in any group of sufficient size. Upon prodding, some of the parents answered questionnaires the authors of the study interpreted as autism. They said that detailed medical exams that would have been definitive were beyond the scope of this study.

It sounds more like some ambulance chasing lawyers laying ground work for further law suits than anything else. I found the study at http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1681&context=pelr . It is a long "study", and reads more like a legal review than any scientific paper I have ever read.
 
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willowlady

Veteran Member
Agreed that there is no by-current-science proven cause for autism. There is no cure, as in take-a-pill. But there is a program called ABA that has a 57% success rate, meaning 57% of those in a bona-fide ABA program (very few schools can or will provide a real ABA program, and, even if they do, it has to be implemented every minute of every hour at home, as well) will gain enough life skills to function as an adult. A very small percentage even get off the spectrum altogether. However, up to 50% of children on the autism spectrum remain without spoken language throughout their lives. I cannot understand how any doctor or scientist could blow off all the "anectodal" stories if there was even the slightest chance of a relationship connection, a statistical connection.
 

Kent

Inactive
Doctors and Scientists should make decisions based on facts while using "anecdotal" stories, relationship connections, and statistical connections to form a hypothesis for testing. It seldom works out well to skip steps in the scientific method.
 

Sebastian

Sebastian
Autism is a description of a set of symptoms, cause unknown.

One need only to look at the adverse side effects of say the dPt vaccine to see a set of symptoms - particularly the whole virus dPt vaccine that has been removed from the market. Um just happen to be the same set of symptoms that would describe say autism? Yep.

Then there is the thiomersal. Ah mercury and what then are the symptoms of mercury poisoning? Well gosh they happen to be the same set of symptoms as those of autism. Gosh?

Yep someone is being scientific and someone is being big pharma.

And someone owes someone's billions and billions or is it trillions and trillions in damages.

Just how many thousands of crushed parents do you have to hear say he got the shot and ran a brain boiling fever of 105+ and was never the same?

Anecdotal is a hundred stories? a thousand stories?, ten thousand stories? a hundred thousand? a million?

When will these monsters be satisfied?

Buy the by most human knowledge is anecdotal and experiential it is how we have survived.
 

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
Seizures? I find that intriguing as my nephew developed seizures shortly after his vaccinations. Seizures were not common in his family, so everyone was shocked and I was the only one that drew the link, but they insisted it "had to be done, so they could go to public school." But they have him on new meds to tame the demon... ugh
 

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
Then there is the thiomersal. Ah mercury and what then are the symptoms of mercury poisoning? Well gosh they happen to be the same set of symptoms as those of autism. Gosh?

I have a story about that stuff... A couple years back, my boy found one of those garage bike hooks and was walking around with it. He tripped and it tore up through his eyelid, very nearly straight into his eye.

We rushed him to the hospital and they immediately went for the tetanus vaccine... We said, "Whoaaa.. Wait.. We don't want that if it has Thiomersal in it!" The doc says, "Oh yeah.. That's bad stuff, but we don't administer that anymore because we had to phase it out." He says this has he's drawing his surringe full of the fluid. DW says, "Can I read the bottle first, please?" So she does... and in huge print right on the side it says, "COTAINS THIOMERSAL"...

The doc looks sheepish, and made some stupid excuse and apologized, but he was all set to stab my boy with that stuff. They don't even look... Grrr :mad:
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
"...Government program has been quietly paying awards to vaccine-injured children with autism for two decades but continues to deny vaccine-autism link..."

And this is proof of what? I'd say it was proof that a bunch of bureaucrats were busy doing their job hoping to get "promoted due to increased duties and responsibilities." After all, this is the gov that routinely sends SS payments to dead people, tax refunds to people in the slammer and a couple of years ago paid a guh-zillion $ to Blacks who claimed slave reparations on their tax returns.

I only know this for sure. MIL of my DD was a pediatric/OB nurse and has an genuine autistic grandchild. She told me that the moment the kid came out of the delivery room she wondered, and in about 2-3 weeks was sure that there was something wrong.

As for anecdotes, try this one for size. Somebody tracked down family movies of autistic children and was surprised to find that the kid showed definite signs of autism long before the family realized there was something wrong. And then it was laid to some incident, like vaccinations.

Nothing is pure, everything is a tradeoff. Tetanus shot bad..tetanus badder by several 100 magnitudes. Your choice and don't think for one moment that you are not trading.

Personally, I am horrified at the number of 'shots' that my grandkids are getting. We got smallpox and that was it and because we were dairy, apparently we were already immune. Never had a scar, ditto for DW also a dairy family

. My family got scarlet fever shots because a grand-uncle was deafened by it and a child about a mile from our farm died of it.

DPT came later, IIRC. And that was the sum total.

Now I think kids are being vaccinated against the possible fallout from asteroid crashes.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Seizures? I find that intriguing as my nephew developed seizures shortly after his vaccinations. Seizures were not common in his family, so everyone was shocked and I was the only one that drew the link, but they insisted it "had to be done, so they could go to public school." But they have him on new meds to tame the demon... ugh

Not so. Most (if not every) state has opt out papers but you must request them from the school and they will try to insist these papers do not exist. If you have no satisfaction there, contact your local conservative political representative and request information on where you go to get these papers, your school is likely to stonewall you or try to scare you from doing this-they must get kickbacks for vaccinations or something.

Here in WA you can get the papers, sign and return them and the schools must let your children attend-now I hear that if an outbreak occurs your kids must go home (YAY, who wants their kids around sick people?)
 

PHD

Veteran Member
Agreed that there is no by-current-science proven cause for autism. I cannot understand how any doctor or scientist could blow off all the "anectodal" stories if there was even the slightest chance of a relationship connection, a statistical connection.

There is also been no falsification of vaccines as a primary, secondary or tertiary cause.

New studies out of Korea strongly suggest there could be several diverse sources that could produce autism.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
2003
Quotes by Mark Geier, MD, PhD, formerly at the National Institutes of Health, Professor at John Hopkins University Hospital, President of the Genetic Centers of America

We are in the middle of unbelievable autism and neural developmental disorder epidemic that has seen autism go from about 1 in 25,000 in the 1970s, to 1 to 2500 in the 1980s, to 1 in 250 in the 1990s and it’s currently 1 in 150. And 1 in 8 children now in the United States are in special education. And these kids, unfortunately, when they grow up are not going to be able to join the workforce. And this is going to be a great burden for our society.


Historically, we used to have mercury in the vaccines back in the ‘70s but we didn’t give so many vaccines. We used to give basically just DTAP. Around 1990, we tripled the amount of vaccines given. It’s not that the vaccines are bad. It’s that each one contains thimerosal, which is the mercury supposed preservative. As we started doing this, the amount of mercury dose went up and up and up. And with it, went the autism and other neural developmental disorder rate. So that now, it’s the greatest medical catastrophy, iatrogenic, meaning doctor-caused, in the history of the world. The damage that has been done or that you will see in the years to come is far greater than 9/11, it’s far greater than the AIDs epidemic. In fact, it’s been estimated that the damage done so far is somewhere in the range of $2-20 trillion. And it’s not hard to see how this is. There are several hundred thousand now autistic children that shouldn’t be there. And they are going to need a lifetime of care.


[Thimerosal] causes brain damage in children that have a pre-existing condition which limits their ability to excrete mercury. In fact, we have some genetic testing. You can actually test and get some idea of exactly what’s going on in these children. You’ll hear the other side, “The current epidemic is genetic.”


--The first time in the '70s that I encountered them (the CDC), and I found contamination in vaccines, they called a big conference at the NIH. They were very complimentary. They told me how wonderful it was that I made this discovery. And then they told me the magic thing. "If you tell anybody about this," they said, "Dr. Geier, it will be your fault that the children die because they won't take their vaccines." At first, I was a young scientist at that time and I said, "Okay, we'll fix it, I won't tell anybody." But I found out since then, that not telling anybody is paramount to they're not going to change it.


--Although the FDA and CDC say they are removing thimerosal from vaccines, and hopefully they are from some, they have just added influenza as a required vaccine as of January 1 - children are required to get two influenza vaccines in the first year of life and they have 25 micrograms each.

--It's still in some other vaccines - tetanus, DT, TD, some of the Hepititus B and in RhoGAM.

--There is some issue of mislabeling. And because of that, I have a collection of vaccines and I'm am now measuring the mercury levels myself because, excuse me, if I don't necessarily believe them anymore. They tell me that they are mislabeling them. I will be coming out, in the next year or so, with what the levels actually are. And hopefully, they have been removed in many of the vaccines but they are clearly still in some of the vaccines.

--This epidemic was caused by thimerisal and the authorities clearly know that. And although they publish papers to the contrary, if you look at their own private meetings and we have the official transcript from the Simpson-wood, the same doctors who said it is absolutely safe, for example Dr. Johnson, who is the head of the Michigan State Health Dept, said on a television program recently, "Vaccines are absolutely safe." When he was at the meeting, he said he is not going to give the vaccine with the thimerisal to his grandchild. ...It's in the official transcript.

--I'm told it's a felony, incidentally, to intentionally mislabel an injectible and yet they admit to doing this. In fact, I went to Dr. Weldon who is a Congressman from Florida. And he called up to confirm the story. He confirmed it. The members of the FDA and CDC said, "Yes, they are not labeled correctly but who cares?" Well, it's a felony. Unfortunely, I can't arrest them and the authorities aren't going to do anything about it.


--Clearly some vaccines are related to seizures in some children. As I said, the most famous one is DPT. About one in 700 will get a seizure within three days of the DPT shot and, in fact, the vaccine compensation Act, the one that came out originally, will compenate those children automatically.

--There are a number of studies that there may be a relationship between various vaccines (Hepatitis B and vaccines that contain aluminum) - fibromyalgia, lupis.

--A simple [solution] would be to make thimerosal illegal in vaccines. They refuse to do that, you know.

--It is a very uphill battle for a handful of scientists to take on these big drug companies and, although we have some help from some states' attorney generals and, as I mentioned, from some Congressional committees. Our most powerful ally are the parents themselves. You damage a parent's child and they will never give up in trying to right the wrong.

Dr. Geier explained, "The American Academy of Pediatrics who attacked us had already recommended that it be removed from all the vaccines in 1999 and the Institute of Medicine recommended in 2001 that it all be removed so they agree with us, they just don't want anyone to know the horrendous thing they allowed to happen."

Representative Dan Burton, head of the House Oversight Committee, obtained subpoenas to authorize Dr. Geier and his son, Dr. Geier, to look at the Vaccine Injury data (but they were not allowed to obtain any documents only to read and take notes for a limited period of time:
The Geiers, who have challenged the government's vaccine safety assurances, say once they finally won the battle and got a good look at the government's own data, they found the exact same effect that they have been seeing from all the other sources, only larger. It was even worse once the data was complied. They discovered 27 times more autism when children got extra doses of mercury from Thimerosal. They were 27 times more likely to get autism if they took vaccines with Thimerosal versus Thimerosal-free vaccines.

They (the Geiers) have already published their earlier research in peer-reviewed journals. In the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Dr. Geier concluded, "a causal relationship between Thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines and neurodevelopment disorders and heart disease appears to be confirmed."

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Rep. Dan Burton
"I wasn't convinced that was the problem," Rep. Burton said, "but when you bring in scientists from Europe and from the United States who say they have done testing and it shows that the mercury is toxic and can cause these problems and it is a contributing factor in their opinion, you have to take them at face value."

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The Indiana congressman continues, "One reason this isn't getting the
attention it needs is that the Food and Drug Administration has very close
ties to the pharmaceutical companies, as does the Department of Health and
Human Services [HHS] and the Centers for Disease Control. I've said in the
past that in some cases it appears that it's a revolving door and people
leave government health agencies and go to work for the pharmaceuticals,
which I think have undue influence on our health agencies. Of course, they
may not want to look at this because there's a possibility that large claims
would be filed and the pharmaceutical companies would have to cough up the
money to take care of these kids who have been damaged.”
Burton means business. He insists, "The FDA, CDC and HHS should put
out in a very public way the dangers of mercury, but as soon as they do it w
ill amount to an admission that their mercury is causing these problems. So
the reports that come out of the FDA, CDC and HHS use ambiguous terms. Well,
if they're not sure, and there's the remotest possibility that mercury in
vaccines could cause autism, they ought to get thimerosal off the market.
Too many kids are being ruined for life because of this stuff.”
 

Vicki

Girls With Guns Member
Just how many thousands of crushed parents do you have to hear say he got the shot and ran a brain boiling fever of 105+ and was never the same?

This be me Sebastian except my son's temp went to 107.3 and once admitted to the hospital, they got his temp down to 103.5 where it stayed for three days straight. He was just one year old when this happened.
 

Kent

Inactive
Autism is a description of a set of symptoms, cause unknown.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm

One need only to look at the adverse side effects of say the dPt vaccine to see a set of symptoms - particularly the whole virus dPt vaccine that has been removed from the market. Um just happen to be the same set of symptoms that would describe say autism? Yep.

dPt symptoms neurologic illnesses, including encephalitis/encephalopathy and prolonged convulsions

autism symptoms abnormal functioning in three core areas of development: social interaction, verbal and nonverbal communication, and the presence of repetitive and restricted patterns of behavior, interests, and activities.
Impaired reciprocal social interaction such as poor use of body language and nonverbal communication, such as eye contact, facial expressions, and gestures;
lack of awareness of feelings of others and the expression of emotions, such as pleasure (laughing) or distress (crying), for reasons not apparent to others;
remaining aloof, preferring to be alone; difficulty interacting with other people and failure to make peer friendships; may not want to cuddle or be cuddled;
lack of or abnormal social play; not responding to verbal cues (acting as if deaf).

Impaired communication such as delay in, or the total lack of, the development of spoken language or speech; if speech is developed, it is abnormal in content and quality; difficulty expressing needs and wants, verbally and/or nonverbally; repeating words or phrases back when spoken to; inability to initiate or sustain conversation; absent or poorly developed imaginary play.

Restricted repertoire of interests, behaviors, and activities such as insisting on following routines and sameness, resisting change; ritualistic or compulsive behaviors; sustained odd play; repetitive body movements (hand flapping, rocking) and/or abnormal posture (toe walking); preoccupation with parts of objects or a fascination with repetitive movement (spinning wheels, turning on and off lights); narrow, restricted interests (dates/calendars, numbers, weather, movie credits).


Concern about the possible role of pertussis vaccine in causing neurologic reactions has been present since the earliest days of vaccine use. Rare but serious acute neurologic illnesses, including encephalitis/encephalopathy and prolonged convulsions, have been anecdotally reported following receipt of whole-cell pertussis vaccine given as DTP (62,63). Whether pertussis vaccine causes or is only coincidentally related to such illnesses or reveals an inevitable event has been difficult to determine conclusively for the following reasons: a) serious acute neurologic illnesses often occur or become manifest among children during the first year of life irrespective of vaccination; b) there is no specific clinical sign, pathologic finding, or laboratory test which can determine whether the illness is caused by the DTP; c) it may be difficult to determine with certainty whether infants less than 6 months of age are neurologically normal, which complicates assessment of whether vaccinees were already neurologically impaired before receiving DTP; and d) because these events are exceedingly rare, appropriately designed large studies are needed to address the question.

Despite these methodologic difficulties, the National Childhood Encephalopathy Study (NCES) and other controlled epidemiologic studies have provided evidence that DTP can cause acute encephalopathy (64-68). This adverse event occurs rarely, with an estimated risk of zero to 10.5 episodes per million DTP vaccinations (68).

Among a subset of children who were participating in the NCES and who had infantile spasms, both DTP and DT vaccination appeared either to precipitate early manifestations of the condition or to lead to its identification by parents (70). IOM reviewed this and other studies and concluded that neither vaccine causes the illness (71,72).

IOM concluded recently that no available evidence indicates that DTP might cause transverse myelitis, other more subtle neurologic disorders (e.g., hyperactivity, learning disorders, and infantile autism), and progressive degenerative conditions of the CNS (4). Furthermore, one study indicated that children who received pertussis vaccine exhibited fewer school problems than those who did not, even after adjustment for socioeconomic status (77).


The most serious side effects of earlier "whole-cell" pertussis immunizations were neurological: and included seizures and hypotonic episodes. In addition, a number of children suffered allergic and adverse reactions to the pertussis vaccination, including severe seizures.

Much of the controversy surrounding the DPT vaccine in the 1970s and 1980s related to the question of whether the whole-cell pertussis component caused permanent brain injury in rare cases, called pertussis vaccine encephalopathy. Despite this possibility, doctors recommended the vaccine due to the overwhelming public health benefit, because the claimed rate was very low (one case per 310,000 immunizations, or about 50 cases out of the 15 million immunizations each year in the United States), and the risk of death from the disease was high (pertussis killed thousands of Americans each year before the vaccine was introduced).[8]

No studies showed a causal connection, and later studies showed no connection of any type between administration of the DPT vaccine and permanent brain injury. The alleged vaccine-induced brain damage proved to be an unrelated condition, infantile epilepsy.[9] Eventually evidence against the hypothesized existence of pertussis vaccine encephalopathy mounted to the point that in 1990, the Journal of American Medical Association called it a "myth" and "nonsense".[10]

However, before that point, criticism of the studies showing no connection and a few well-publicized anecdotal reports of permanent disability that were blamed on the DPT vaccine gave rise to anti-DPT movements in the 1970s.[11] The negative publicity and fear-mongering caused the immunization rate to fall in several countries, including Great Britain, Sweden, and Japan. In many cases, a dramatic increase in the incidence of pertussis followed.[12]

Unscientific claims about the vaccine pushed suppliers of the vaccines out of the market.[8] In the United States, low profit margins and an increase in vaccine-related lawsuits led many manufacturers to stop producing the DPT vaccine by the early 1980s.[8]

In 1982, the television documentary "DTP: Vaccine Roulette" depicted the lives of children whose severe disabilities were blamed on the DPT vaccine. The negative publicity generated by the documentary led to a tremendous increase in the number of lawsuits filed against vaccine manufacturers.[13] By 1985, manufacturers of vaccines had difficulty obtaining liability insurance. The price of the DPT vaccine skyrocketed, leading to shortages around the country. Only one manufacturer of the DPT vaccine remained in the U.S. by the end of 1985. To avert a vaccine crisis, Congress in 1986 passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), which established a federal no-fault system to compensate victims of injury caused by mandated vaccines.[14] The majority of claims that have been filed through the NCVIA have been related to injuries allegedly caused by the whole-cell DPT vaccine.

The concerns about side effects led Yuji Sato to introduce a safer acellular version of the pertussis vaccine for Japan in 1981. The acellular pertussis vaccine was approved in the United States in 1992 for use in the combination DTaP vaccine. Research has shown the acellular vaccine to be safer, with fewer reports of adverse effects.[15]

Although the whole-cell DPT vaccine is no longer used in the United States, it is still purchased by the World Health Organization and distributed to developing nations because of its much reduced cost compared to the acellular DTaP vaccine.

There is newly emerging evidence that some strains of the bacteria that cause pertussis have become resistant to the acellular version of the vaccine which is leading to a rise in the incidence of whooping cough in the wealthy countries that use it.[16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pertussis
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
I am NOT a totally anti-vaccine person. I was around when the Salk Vaccine virtually stopped polio in its tracks in the midst of a rather severe rise in cases. I never had a vaccine at all until 18 mos, when polio, tetanus typhoid and diphtheria was required for a family going overseas. Smallpox vax came when I went to elementary school. And that is the extent of my vaccines. I've never had measles or chicken pox, even though I've been repeatedly exposed to both.

I AM against socking 22 different shots into an infant less than two years old. They start the vaccines before an infant can even have an immune response, which is at about six months. Do I think there is a connection with the vaccines and autism? You bet. IMO, 1 in 100+- children may have a genetic predisposition to hypersensitivity to the vaccines. Sure, autism is a complex set of problems, but why exacerbate the problem(s) by hitting the kids with unnecessary vaccines, like HepB, which is clearly a lifestyle issue. And if you want a good idea of how the "Science" gets skewed to suit the grant maker, read
Evidence of Harm
. It's a rational book and it doesn't draw conclusions, just presents facts about how big pharma could care less about the harm caused; their only concern is the bottom line.

And, yes, I'm aware that if the vaccine schedule is reduced or delayed, there will be fatalities that might have been prevented by vaccines. But one child's death in how many thousands is NOT a good tradeoff for 1 in 100 children rendered non-functional for life.
 

Digger

Veteran Member
I read to the grandkids when I have them. The last two are only 11 months apart. My son is trying to work and take care of 4 kids alone. The oldest is 6. I doubt he reads to them like he did when there mother was there. Mother gets them some but I doubt she reads to them, she didn't much when she was with them. The 5 year old told me she turns on the tv for them and goes back to bed in the mornings. This was before she got a job. She is working now. Maybe she will pay some child support, she is susposed to pay only 200 a month on four kids. My son could really use that. We help him all we can. Thanks God for his church family that helps him with the kids some. We are too far away to help daily. The sitter did tell me she tries to get the 2 year old to talk when he wants something. That may help.
 

inynmn

Inactive
Willowlady
They start the vaccines before an infant can even have an immune response, which is at about six months.


When my 3rd son was born - 1992 - he was 1 day old when I refused the hep b vaccine. He was born on the day the vaccine became mandatory.

One day old. I asked the head nurse of the childrens hospital -
"would you give your newborn, 1 day old child this vaccine?"
She said no. A couple of Euro countries stopped mandating the hep b vaccine for infants-children because of the side effects. But you won't learn about that on faux or other propaganda outlets. Apparently managing the herd is the primary goal - not necessarily managing the health of the herd.

History of Vaccine Schedule

Every year since 1995 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) has endorsed an annual childhood immunization schedule. Prior to 1995, these groups updated the immunization schedule every few years as needed.

http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine...ine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html

Combination Vaccines

In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

By the mid-1980s, there were seven vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella and polio. Because six of these vaccines were combined into two shots (DTP and MMR), and one, the polio vaccine, was given by mouth, children still received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit.

Since the mid-1980s, many vaccines have been added to the schedule. Now, children could receive as many as 24 shots by 2 years of age and five shots in a single visit. The result is that the vaccine schedule has become much more complicated than it once was, and children are receiving far more shots than they ever did (see Vaccine Safety for answers to the questions, Do vaccines weaken the immune system? and Do vaccines overwhelm the immune system?). However, help is on the way. Vaccines are again in the process of being combined in the same way that the DTaP and MMR vaccines are already combined.
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/polio.html
Regarding the Salk Vaccine, please read this link.

Yes, I have read extensively about the fact that most of the vaccine-related diseases were already declining when vaccines were introduced. As far as that particular article goes, it appears to mix apples and oranges. The Salk vaccine was a different animal from the Sabin oral vaccine, but there appear to be problems with both. I have a friend who contracted polio as a child. She lived in the South. IIRC, the heaviest concentrations of polio cases came from the South, and could also be tracked to children playing in dirty water in the northern climes. As far as Thimerosal in the vaccines, I'm pretty sure it wasn't used in the vaccines I received as a child. I clearly remember the nurse removing the bottle(s) from the fridge in the Drs. office during. We received military vaccines over a 6 to 8 week period -- a series of three injections. Boy did our arms get sore.

Interestingly, after my granddaughter showed up with Rett Syndrome, I did hundreds of hours of heavy-duty research attempting to find a way to help her. She has never received a vaccine since then. Her younger brother has received only tetanus. He's the child least likely to catch any kind of cold or flu, and if he does, he shakes it off sooner than anyone else.

In my research (this was about nine years ago, internet less censored), I came across an article that stated that when Rett first started showing up it was called Pertussis Toxicity since its onset was most commonly associated with the pertussis vaccine. That article has long since disappeared. But there is this:

Previous diagnoses included Prader-Willi syndrome, Angleman syndrome, toxic reaction to pertussis vaccine...
.. from PubMed.

Further, a good deal of the research I did indicated that the pertussis vaccine contains live virus, a virus that has the ability to mutate existing gene codes. They have never figured out any adequate explanation for why the girls often show no symptoms until around one year of age. The standard ferradiddle they give out is that the girls are carrying their mother's blood supply prior to then.

In any event, some of the research I did allowed us to come up with a program for her, which my daughter rigorously implemented, and she is now one of the healthiest Rett Syndrome patients alive. The Rett doctors have adopted a number of our strategies and now they are standard protocol. Damn shots. I was warned before hand and paid no attention to my good friend's warning. My bad.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"I only know this for sure. MIL of my DD was a pediatric/OB nurse and has an genuine autistic grandchild. She told me that the moment the kid came out of the delivery room she wondered, and in about 2-3 weeks was sure that there was something wrong."

IOW, pre-vaccination indications. I've never thought vaccines couldn't be part (maybe a large part) of the picture with autism, but I have never believed they were the ONLY cause of autism. The presence of autism in some children who were not vaccinated would indicate that something else caused the condition in those children.

We hear from those who work with this issue the phrase, "multiple autisms"---different manifestations which respond differently to different treatment plans. In the long run I am certain we will also discover multiple causes for autism. My personal belief is that some (not all) vaccines will be found to be part of the puzzle, but "no vaccinations = no autism"? It's just not that simple.
 

kendwell

Inactive
Vaccines: Another area for consideration

Heard one time of study done of nursing home residents of advanced age. Finding was not of abstaining from anything, food habits, drink, smoking. Most in common was no vaccines!

Another area: we are now on what, third generation or so of both parents being vaccinated? How about DNA long term small incremental deterioration as a possible causative factor of the autism spectrum?
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
I have autism and it does weird things. My parents were gung-ho on the vaccination thing and of course didn't know about mercury. Whatever causes it, once you have it, it makes life challenging. It has its blessings but one is never 'normal.' Soon there will be a large subset of persons walking around who know they are on the wrong planet.
 

nomadcrna

Senior Member
Once again, this is NOT evidence. If you base your knowledge on court settlements and ignore scientific evidence, here is your tin hat. :)

I base my decisions on scientific evidence from peer reviewed journals. If that evidence changes in the future and indicates autism has a link to vaccines, then I'll change my approach. As it stands right now, there is no evidence linking autism to vaccines. I'm open to education though, anyone here have evidence? Not articles you read but actual studies?

I chose to keep quiet when this topic came up because some people just do not understand science and will believe what they choose to believe, we can't change that.


Don't worry... I asked a few of the members here ( I'm sure they will be forthcoming ) and they said "Hogwash! Vaccines are perfectly safe!"
 

NC Susan

Deceased
http://www.mednauseam.com/

Tuesday, January 11, 2011

Video: Brain Re-training Shown to Reverse ADHD in 12 Weeks


"Who wants to be learning disabled for an hour?"

Recently I observed a graduate-level seminar on healing children with learning disabilities. A dozen eager health practitioners approached a table scattered with Learning Disability Simulation Training packets - exercises designed by Dr. Robert Melillo to frustrate attendees in the same way learning disabled children are frustrated on a daily basis. It contained paragraphs with line-jumps and words that mixed up letters p, q, d, and b. One exercise instructed participants to copy the mirror image of a picture while wearing a gardening glove. Another illustrated the vast difference between vocabulary and reading comprehension.

After my short intro to Melillo's course, which mainly involves instruction in an extensive battery of neurological tests and treatments, I was able to interview him on camera.

Melillo, a chiropractic neurologist and clinician, is co-founder of the Brain Balance Achievement Centers, which currently operate in more than 50 locations. They are now expanding into Northern California while Melillo is quickly gaining a reputation for rapidly reversing the most challenging developmental disorders: autism, ADHD, Asperger's, dyslexia, PDD-NOS, and more.

The Centers operate like Sylvan Learning Centers but focus on specialized treatment in children with developmental delays. Unlike all other autism therapies, Melillo's approach focuses on specific regions of the brain that are less mature than other parts, creating a syndrome Melillo terms Functional Disconnection Syndrome. Melillo says that research to date has failed to show measurable damage in brain cells of children with developmental delays. This is key: if there is no damage, there is hope for recovery.

Practitioners at the Centers test for 1,100 brain weaknesses-- a comprehensive set of tests, to be sure. Treatment involves stimulating targeted brain areas with an individualized curriculum addressing motor, sensory, cognitive, and behavior deficits. A gluten-free diet is employed, among other diet modifications.

The most remarkable part of the Centers is not necessarily the success rates, which are quite high. A recently published study showed that 82% of randomly selected children with ADHD lost the diagnosis within 12 weeks and made unprecedented grade-level leaps in many subjects. The most remarkable part is how quickly the changes occur. Whereas biomedical treatments can go on for years, the Brain Balance Achievement Centers get measurable results within months, all without drugs.

I told Dr. Melillo that if all parents knew about the success of the Brain Balance Achievement Centers they would be overcrowded. I was not off-track. He replied that most have waiting lists.

Dr. Melillo's book Disconnected Kids is available at Amazon. More studies on other conditions are expected to be published this year.
 

Sebastian

Sebastian
I chose to keep quiet when this topic came up because some people just do not understand science and will believe what they choose to believe, we can't change that.[/QUOTE]

I is one - a scientist that is. Argument to authority - peer review - in this case is not science.

Evidence even anectdotal must be accepted or discounted for reason. To simply dismiss evidence is simply not science.

In fact in my field contaminant groundwater hydrogeology - myself and the folks that work with me, have just finished trashing about 30 year of peer reviewed so called science. Let me tell you we do feel the love.

You would not believe the absurdities that get past peer review - particularly when the journal and all its review committee are owned lock stock and barrel by a gubberment agency.

Did you know that groundwater caustic enough to burn your skin is normal in the Connasauga Group Rocks that stretch from Virginia to alabama. Drill a well mix a bit of lard and make soap - prestigious journal I kid you not. Ben burned by some of this "normal" groundwater myself.

But you are quite right few understand science.

In this case we now have millions of witnesses, Among these are doctors, laywers, physicists, and very sadly even a geologist - really sharp highly educated people who have observed the effects of vaccines. Do you think us fools?

The liability is in the trillions and that is not enough.

The destruction to science itself is beyond calculation.
 

Kent

Inactive
There is no doubt that vaccines can cause side effects that are harmful to some people. The side effects generally effect a very small percent of the subjects, certainly many times fewer than the percent of people that would get the disease the vaccine was given to prevent. Autism has never been proven to be such a side effect.

Society tends to forget the terror and body count of diseases like polio, smallpox and others that have been wiped out. Diseases such as tetanus and rabies are seldom seen. Measles, mumps, diphtheria, and pertussis are now rare (but returning due to lack of herd immunity) because of vaccines. The proven side effects of the vaccines are minor, compared to the benefits.

Autism tends to show up at about the same time as many vaccines are given. This does not mean that a cause and effect relationship has been proven. Anecdotal evidence is not really evidence but an observation, and a good starting point for the scientific method. Several problems make the relationship between autism and vaccines hard to pinpoint. First, the natural tendency for parents to want to blame something for the autism. Second, the natural tendency for lawyers to find someone to sue. Third, the natural tendency for schools to want to label a child with something (like autism or ADS) that can bring in more money to the school.

Emotions run high in parents with any kind of disable child. I feel sorry for children with any type of disability, and good research needs to be done to find the cause.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Kent, you would be speaking differently if it was "your" child that was damaged. Until you walk a mile in that parent's shoes you will continue on the
The side effects generally effect a very small percent of the subjects, certainly many times fewer than the percent of people that would get the disease the vaccine was given to prevent. Autism has never been proven to be such a side effect.

Same for the others here who continue to defend vaccines and the pharma companies who make them.

I have a daughter who has only partial hearing in one ear due to vaccines.
We lost a dog due to vaccinosis. She ended up with cancer and the loss of her motor function of her hind legs within days of being vaccinated.

I will preach the dangers of those vaccines until I die. I have seen it, lived with it and my daughter will never get her hearing back. That happened when she was 6 years old after vaccine boosters. (she was living with her father at the time and I was out of state. )

We have members who have children damaged by these things. I am sure if even they had known there was a danger they would have refused the vaccines rather than put their child thru a lifetime of disability which they could have not had, if the parent had not let those vaccines be given. There have always been ways to avoid vaccines. People believe the propaganda of the NIH and CDC and big pharma and then pay the price for a lifetime.

Someday, I pray that the truth will be known. It will however be of little value to a human with autism or worse.
 

Kent

Inactive
Kent, you would be speaking differently if it was "your" child that was damaged. Until you walk a mile in that parent's shoes you will continue to defend vaccines and the pharma companies who make them.

Sorry to hear about your daughter. But by not vaccinating your child you are running the chance of even worse dangers.

Missed vaccines weaken 'herd immunity' in children http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-01-06-childhoodvaccines06_CV_N.htm

By Liz Szabo, USA TODAY
Brendalee Flint did everything she could to keep her baby safe. She nourished her with breast milk; she gave her all the routine vaccines. But Flint never realized how much her daughter's health would depend on the actions of her friends, neighbors and even strangers.

By 15 months old, Flint's daughter, Julieanna Metcalf, was walking, exploring and even saying her first few words. Then one day in the bath, while fighting what seemed like an ordinary stomach bug, Julieanna became so weak and floppy that she couldn't hold up her head.

"She couldn't say 'Help me,' but her eyes were begging me to do something," says Flint, 35.

Flint rushed the baby to the hospital, where she was diagnosed with meningitis, a swelling of the lining of the brain, caused by a severe case of Hib, or Haemophilus influenzae type b. Julieanna was one of five children in Minnesota hospitalized with Hib in January 2008, the state's biggest outbreak since 1992.

Three of the other Minnesota children hospitalized for Hib were unvaccinated, including one who died, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Experts worry that such outbreaks — along with mumps outbreaks on the East Coast and more than two dozen measles outbreaks around the country in 2008 — represent cracks in the country's protection against terrifying childhood diseases that were once virtually eradicated.

Parents who have never seen their children gasp for breath no longer fear these diseases and, in some cases, are delaying or skipping immunizations, says Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Many parents who reject vaccines do so because of the mistaken notions that they cause autism or overwhelm the immune system, Offit says.

That worries moms such as Flint, who learned that her daughter has a rare immune deficiency only after she contracted Hib. Because Julieanna doesn't respond to vaccines, she depends on other parents to keep germs out of circulation by vaccinating their kids, a phenomenon called "herd immunity."

Now, Flint and a growing number of parents as well as a handful of celebrities are speaking out about the human toll of infectious diseases and the consequences of refusing vaccinations.

Unprotected People Reports: Chickenpox
CDC Provides Case Reports on Varicella-Related Deaths of Three Susceptible, Unvaccinated Children
http://www.immunize.org/reports/report073.asp
Now, let me ask you a question. Would you be speaking differently if it was "your" child that was damaged by NOT being vaccinated?
 

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
Sorry to hear about your daughter. But by not vaccinating your child you are running the chance of even worse dangers.
Parents who have never seen their children gasp for breath no longer fear these diseases and, in some cases, are delaying or skipping immunizations, says Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Many parents who reject vaccines do so because of the mistaken notions that they cause autism or overwhelm the immune system, Offit says.
Sooo... There's a small chance that your child could die horribly or suffer life altering debilitation from a vaccine for some rare disease that there's a small chance could leave your child debilitated or dying horribly... Hmm

The way that I personally balance it is this: Would I feel worse if I was personally responsible for my once healthy child's pain and suffering or death as a result of vaccinating, or if I'd left my child healthy and fine and they ended up catching a rare disease and suffering in the hands of fate - the same fate which could just as easily snatch them away in an accident? It's not even a war against a probability.

Both is horrible and traumatic, but I often consider the agony of the mothers who forced their daughters to get an HPV shot to protect them from something they MOST LIKELY would have never caught, only to be burying them shortly thereafter. They will have to go the rest of their lives knowing that they killed their children, whereas had they contracted HPV in the course of time, it would still hurt but they wouldn't bear the burden of guilt.

I, personally, feel that NO child should be vaccinated. It should be a choice that is made as an adult - by which time the brain is fully developed and the side effects are likely to be greatly diminished.
 

Sebastian

Sebastian
Who said anything about refusing vaccines? Obviously vaccines changed humanity for the better from small pox on.

Its about informed consent, risk versus reward.

For our three year old we studied each and every vaccine. How common is the disease? How serious?, what are the possible side effects?

He received a number of vaccines and there of course was some risk there always is.

Pertussis failed on each and every count, the only excuse for the shot is herd immunity. Dose my child look like a herd animal to anyone here? Well he does to the feds. Herd immunity is only important if you intend to herd human beings.

Of course the pukes bundle Pertussis with diphtheria and tetanus very desirable low risk vaccinations and make it hard to get tetanus say without the Pertussis.

How else could the FDA's clients (hint not you not me) get their investment and profits with this cr@p shot?

Like nuclear power if this garbage is so good and safe why don;t the advocates lobby to give up the federal imposed limits on liability?

Because they know they'd be on the hook (what a nice thought) for trillions in damages. And would never survive argument in an open and fair court.

And what about he mercury? Gosh its only about what 6% of the population if I recall that is really sensitive to mercury in thiomersal. Boys are more sensitive than girls for a change.
 

Kent

Inactive
Who said anything about refusing vaccines? Obviously vaccines changed humanity for the better from small pox on.

Its about informed consent, risk versus reward.

For our three year old we studied each and every vaccine. How common is the disease? How serious?, what are the possible side effects?

He received a number of vaccines and there of course was some risk there always is.

Who said anything about refusing vaccines? Just about all the anti-vaccine people on this thread except you. See the post above yours for a good example.

I, personally, feel that NO child should be vaccinated.
You said that for your three year old you studied each and every vaccine. My hat is off to you. That is how it should be done. Many here reject ALL vaccines, no matter what the risk and use unreliable sources of information for source material. One of the posters sourced an article that claims that Polio was already decreasing and the vaccine did nothing to stop it. It claims the vaccine caused AIDS, CANCER, GUILLAIN-BARRE SYNDROME & LEUKEMIA.
 

Sebastian

Sebastian
Who said anything about refusing vaccines? Just about all the anti-vaccine people on this thread except you. See the post above yours for a good example.


You said that for your three year old you studied each and every vaccine. My hat is off to you. That is how it should be done. Many here reject ALL vaccines, no matter what the risk and use unreliable sources of information for source material. One of the posters sourced an article that claims that Polio was already decreasing and the vaccine did nothing to stop it. It claims the vaccine caused AIDS, CANCER, GUILLAIN-BARRE SYNDROME & LEUKEMIA.

Thanks Kent for the kind words - yes of course vaccines have been a godsend - but enough is enough and greedy politically connected monsters that have no soul have moved into what was once science. To much of a good thing if you will or a good thing perverted. Which sounds like just about everything else in this society.

Fortunately we have a doctor that has cooperated with us. Right now we want Ian to have tetanus protection without the pertussis and we have a family history of mercury sensitivity.

Its like a minefield literally. We know the disaster that can result from experience I don't want to go there. Our Health department seems to have tetanus with out he P but they don;t want to give it up.

Further there is no more sure way to convince folks to forgo the proven benifits of vaccines than to protect the criminals who foist cr@p like P from rightious liability.

No one trusts anyone in dog eat dog socialism.

Pukes.
 

Kent

Inactive
Further there is no more sure way to convince folks to forgo the proven benifits of vaccines than to protect the criminals who foist cr@p like P from rightious liability.

That is another thing you can blame on blood sucking ambulance chasing lawyers. Too many unrighteous lawsuits almost killed the vaccine producers. Here is a story from 1984 when we were worried about not having anyone making vaccines because of the low profit margin and high liability.


http://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/26/science/vaccine-liability-threatens-supplies.html

VACCINE LIABILITY THREATENS SUPPLIES
By PHILIP M. BOFFEY
Published: June 26, 1984

WASHINGTON THE nation's major drug companies, some stung by large liability costs, have been dropping out of vaccine production for years and the trend is continuing, raising fears that future supplies may be jeopardized, important research will be neglected and the costs of vaccines may skyrocket.

The latest dropout was Wyeth Laboratories, which announced June 13 that it had ceased production of a vaccine used to immunize children against whooping cough after more than 30 years of producing it. The company cited ''dramatic increases in the cost of participating in this market,'' chiefly due to liability insurance and the costs of litigation. The whooping cough vaccine has the most serious side effects of any of the vaccines now adminstered to virtually all children in the country under state or Federal laws.

The Wyeth defection continued a trend that has been under way for the past decade or two, according to Paul D. Parkman, deputy director of the center for drugs and biologics at the Food and Drug Administration. During the 1960's, Dr. Parkman said, there were eight manufacturers of the combined vaccine that is used to immunize children against diphtheria, whooping cough, and tetanus; now, after Wyeth's withdrawal, there are two, Lederle Laboratories of Wayne, N.J., and Connaught Laboratories Inc. of Swiftwater, Pa. Four other vaccines that are administered to virtually all children are now produced by a single domestic manufacturer, according to Dr. Parkman. The live-virus measles vaccine, made by six companies in the 1960's, and the German measles vaccine, made by three companies then, are now manufactured only by Merck Sharpe & Dohme of West Point, Pa. So is the mumps vaccine, which Merck Sharpe has produced alone for two decades.

The live-virus polio vaccine, which had three makers in the 1960's, is now made only by Lederle Laboratories. And the influenza vaccines, administered on a voluntary basis to millions of adults and children, are produced by only three companies, down from seven in the 1960's.

High Costs of Liability

The reasons for the shrinkage are complex and vary from company to company, according to industry sources and Government officials. Some companies concluded that the vaccine market was too small and profit margins too low. Others dropped out because competitors developed superior products. Still others were squeezed out because the very success of vaccinations in reducing disease also reduced the demand for some vaccines.

But increasingly manufacturers are blaming the high cost of protecting themselves against liabiity claims by the small number of people who are inevitably harmed by severe adverse reactions to the vaccines. Even if a vaccine is produced with the utmost care in accord with the most stringent specifications, it is virtually certain to cause harm to a tiny fraction of those who use it, or sometimes to those who come into close contact with those who receive it. Some victims who suffer debilitating physical damage, or even death, receive little compensation for it. They are the unfortunate victims of programs designed to protect the public health. But other victims are successful in winning large liability awards that can eat into the profits of the manufacturers, either through the awards themselves or through legal fees and higher insurance costs.

A report submitted to a Congressional committee this year cited 11 recent court awards or settlements in which victims won between $150,000 and $5.5 million. Sometimes the manufacturers end up paying substantial awards even though they made their vaccines perfectly.

Federal Intervention Sought

The steady withdrawal of vaccine manufacturers has caused alarm among professional organizations and in Congress. The American Medical Association at its annual meeting last week approved a report calling for the Federal Government to assume responsibility for compensating the victims of mandatory childhood immunization programs, relieving the manufacturers of liability risk unless they are negligent.
 
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