Need advice on bread-making

Binkerthebear

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I want to learn how to make bread. Although I want to grind my own grain, I also want to use a quality bread-making device. Are there any great books or websites that would explain the whole process to a non-cook ? Thank you, TBers.
 

summerthyme

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Here is a great place to start:

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/bread

I'm not sure what you mean by "I also want to use a quality bread-making device"? Do you mean a bread machine. Bread making is wonderful... you can do it in any way from using a top-of-the-line Zojirushi bread machine (if you've got the money, don't even look at any other brand!) to a heavy duty mixer like the KitchenAid, Bosch or Cuisinart (while I LOVE my Kitchenaid, and loved the 50 year old one I used before this one, sadly, I have to say they've gone downhill very badly since Hobart sold the company... I'm not sure I'd recommend them anymore, especially for continuous, heavy use).

Or you can use a big bowl, a pastry cloth and a wooden spoon, and end up with fabulous bread. When I was baking for 4 teenagers, I made a dozen loaves a week- starting by mixing up a sponge in a 5 gallon pail.

One of the great things about breadmaking is its flexibility... if your room is a little too cool for optimum rising, you just let it rise longer. If your dough rose faster than you thought, and collapsed... just punch it down and let it rise again. Once you learn the basics, (probably the most important is to not kill off your yeast with TOO high of temps in your liquids), you can experiment with a wide variety of ingredients. I toss in a few extra eggs when the hens are laying well. When a pitcher of our raw milk sat too long in the fridge and has soured... it goes in a batch of bread. You can add leftover oatmeal or other hot cereal. Leftover mashed potatoes makes a great "potato bread".

Be warned- once you've baked a couple of nice loaves, you may be hooked. Nothing beats a freshly baked loaf of bread straight from the oven...

Summerthyme
 

Binkerthebear

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Thanks guys for the all the great info. I do want to use a bread machine so I'll check out the Zojirushi. I went to B&N yesterday and every 'bread making' book (except one) was 'artisan' which I assume means 'no bread machine'. I bought the exception written by Sarah Lewis.

... which brings me to another question. In a SHTF scenario, I'm thinking a bread-machine (which could run on a small generator) would involve less time, effort, and energy than the 'artisan' style. I also want to use an electric grinder for the whole wheat.
 

summerthyme

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A bread machine is a very handy tool... I often toss in my favorite recipe for a 100% whole wheat bread into the machine right before bed, and hubby has still-warm fresh bread to take out to the barn when he gets up to milk in the morning.

There is a GREAT book out there called The Cooks Encyclopedia for Bread Machine Baking. It has recipes for almost everything, and all of them are sized in three sizes to fit almost any bread machine.

As far as "less time and effort than the artisan style"... well, that's sort of debatable. "artisan" just means free form, or "handmade" in bread terms... often you don't use a loaf pan. If you're feeding more than one or two people, and depending on what you're using for an oven, you might actually use less energy and not much more time to simply make several loaves once a week in the oven. If we ever get to the point where we have no electricity and run out of fuel for the generator, I have a wood cookstove, but we'll likely build a bread oven/syrup evaporator/smoker in the backyard.

You can buy yeast in 1 pound vacuum sealed "bricks" from Sam's Club or restaurant supply stores, and it's cheaper than grocery store yeast by a factor of 10 or more. Those little packets of yeast are insanely priced.

I've got to get out to the field and get picking corn... we've got two more really nice warm days. If you don't find my 100% whole wheat bread recipe posted here somewhere, I'll repost it later.

Summerthyme
 

Yarnball

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Summerthyme, could you say more about this:

"You can buy yeast in 1 pound vacuum sealed "bricks" from Sam's Club or restaurant supply stores"

How do you use a "brick" of yeast?
 

summerthyme

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You store it in the freezer until you open it.

Then I put about half in a pint jar and put it in the fridge. The other half gets put in another glass jar and back in the freezer. Use the yeast from the jar in the fridge.

As soon as you break the vacuum, it's no longer a "brick"- it's the individual dry grains like any other active dry yeast.

I've used some that was 11 years old (stored in our very cold NON-self defrost freezer) and it worked just fine.

Summerthyme
 

RJC

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You might be more pleased in bread from home-ground whole wheat flour if you learn to grow a sourdough sponge.

An electric grinder uses 1000 to 1400 watts of power so if one intends to use alternate power in case of no electricity then one must have a 1500 watt inverter for DC battery power conversion or a generator. The grinding only takes 4 or 5 minutes for flour enough for a couple of loaves so the total power consumption is only 100+ watts.

Learning to use whole wheat berry is a valuable asset for good health now and preservation if the system fails for one reason or other. Beggers and thieves will not know what to do with either wheat berry or dried corn.
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No, just the opposite, if you use a DC source like a battery as an alternate power source, you must have an inverter that matches or exceeds the AC amperage of your grinder and the battery of sufficient size to last long enough. But the point I was making was that the total power usage is not great in grinding flour enough for a couple of loaves. Nonetheless the right size of inverter is critical or the appliance will burn out.

No problem in using a generator except for the availability of fuel and the noise.

I make 2 or 3 loaves of home ground whole wheat sourdough bread every week. I consider this real bread an important factor in my health. Therefore I have the means to make bread even in an isolated environment with a Solar array and batteries that I built as an alternate power source.

Everyone’s sees things from their own vantage point and circumstances, so we do what we are capable of doing in preparing for a potential disaster.

Also want to add, using alternate source of power will not be practical for baking in a long term scenario, grinding yes baking no. However baking is possible in so many ways as I am sure you are aware, even over an open fire or in a Dutch oven, which then is rather artisan style (referencing your post 4).
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
A bread machine is a very handy tool... I often toss in my favorite recipe for a 100% whole wheat bread into the machine right before bed, and hubby has still-warm fresh bread to take out to the barn when he gets up to milk in the morning.

There is a GREAT book out there called The Cooks Encyclopedia for Bread Machine Baking. It has recipes for almost everything, and all of them are sized in three sizes to fit almost any bread machine.

As far as "less time and effort than the artisan style"... well, that's sort of debatable. "artisan" just means free form, or "handmade" in bread terms... often you don't use a loaf pan. If you're feeding more than one or two people, and depending on what you're using for an oven, you might actually use less energy and not much more time to simply make several loaves once a week in the oven. If we ever get to the point where we have no electricity and run out of fuel for the generator, I have a wood cookstove, but we'll likely build a bread oven/syrup evaporator/smoker in the backyard.

You can buy yeast in 1 pound vacuum sealed "bricks" from Sam's Club or restaurant supply stores, and it's cheaper than grocery store yeast by a factor of 10 or more. Those little packets of yeast are insanely priced.

I've got to get out to the field and get picking corn... we've got two more really nice warm days. If you don't find my 100% whole wheat bread recipe posted here somewhere, I'll repost it later.

Summerthyme



Here is Summerthyme's recipe she posted a while back. The best bread machine recipe for whole wheat that I've ever used.

hansa




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REALLY basic.. grind the wheat into flour (if you've got a hand mill, you probably will either have to grind more than once, or else sift the grind and keep the coarsest stuff for cereal or for adding to a basic bread recipe, but not as part of the "flour" amount), add liquid, a bit of salt and sweetener to the yeast, mix it all into a dough. Knead it until it's not sticky (much) anymore. And bake.

Here's a recipe I've found to be nearly foolproof- it's 100% whole wheat, and those usually are rather heavy loaves. This isn't. I make it in a bread machine, but for years, I would have tripled (or more) the recipe, kneaded it by hand and baked a bunch of loaves in one afternoon.

Honey Whole Wheat Bread
1 1/2 cups lukewarm water
2 tsps salt
1/3 cup honey
4 cups whole wheat flour
1/4 cup wheat gluten (optional, only necessary if you're using soft wheat or another low protein variety)
2 tblsp butter
2 tblsp dry milk (I skip this and replace 1/2 cup of the water with whole milk... but I've got a dairy full of cows!)
1 tsp active dry yeast

Add the honey to the water, (or water and milk combination) and then sprinkle the yeast on top (in a large mixing bowl). Let set for a few minutes, until it begins bubbling. Then add the butter, salt, gluten and 2 cups of the flour. Mix well. If you're using an electric mixer, beat it up for a minute.... this helps develop the gluten. Then add enough more flour to make a nice dough... because it's whole wheat it will be somewhat sticky. If using a mixer, use the dough hook and knead it until it smooths out and becomes elastic. Depending on your flour, and humidity, etc... you may have to add more flour. Add small amounts at a time so you don't overdo it.

If doing this by hand, add as much flour as you can stir in with a wooden spoon. Then turn out the dough onto a smooth surface, and knead the rest in by hand. Kneading means simply folding the dough over and over, pushing down on the folded mass, turning it 1/4 turn and repeating. You get into a rhythm after awhile and it's very nice and restful. It also can really develop your arms and hands!!

When it's done, it will be a nice smooth mass, not sticky and ragged. Grease a bowl and put the kneaded dough into it. Turn the dough once so the top is also greased. Put it in a warm spot (if necessary, turn the oven on low for a couple minutes, then TURN IT OFF and put the dough in there to rise away from drafts) to rise. You want it about double in volume.... this will take between 1 and 2 hours under most conditions. You'll know it's risen enough when you poke it with a finger, and it leaves a hole, not just a dimple which rises back out.

Dump the risen dough back on your kneading surface, and punch it down. Grease 1 loaf pan (for the above recipe), shape the dough into a loaf shape and put it in the pan. Put it back and let it rise again... it will take about half as long. When it's nearly done, preheat the oven (this is important) to 400°. Put the loaf into the middle of the oven, and bake for 25-40 minutes, until it's nice a golden brown. (Times vary from oven to oven, and depending on what type of wheat, etc you used). When it's done, take it out. Dump it out of the pan onto a cooling rack. Let it cool at least for a few minutes before cutting it. (if you don't, the loaf may not be fully "set"... but it will still be delicious)

Or use a bread machine, putting the ingredients in the order your instructions call for.

Summerthyme
 

summerthyme

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Thank you, Hansa!! I couldn't find the post when I looked quickly, and then I got busy and forgot about it. I'm glad you like the recipe... I think I've only heard one person say they didn't like it, and it sounded like they were expecting something like wonder bread, which ain't happening with 100% whole wheat!

This stuff is pretty much a meal in a slice... if you make an egg sandwich with a couple pieces of this bread, you won't be hungry for hours...

Summerthyme
 

Red Baron

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I am a aspiring bread newbie myself. I do a lot of cooking at home but have never made bread. We do have a Kitchen-Aid FWIW.

It has become impossible to find dense, high quality German/Polish/Jewish rye bread and I am not going to pay $5.00+ for the so called "Artisan" rye bread that I see in the supermarket. It is lightweight fluffy nonsense that is nowhere near the real thing.

Any recipies or resources anyone can recommend?
 

summerthyme

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I've got a really good recipe that we like a lot. I've tweaked it a bit, rather than buying "rye bread sour" from King Arthur Flour's catalog.

I'm having trouble finding it on my computer... I may have to retype it from the hard copy in my 3 ring notebook in which I keep all my "frequently used" recipes. I've got lots of family visiting this weekend, so it may not happen until Monday. But yes, there ARE some good recipes out there which make wonderful bread, and I agree... $5 a loaf is nuts. Although finding rye flour for under a buck a pound may be difficult...

Summerthyme
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
Thank you, Hansa!! I couldn't find the post when I looked quickly, and then I got busy and forgot about it. I'm glad you like the recipe... I think I've only heard one person say they didn't like it, and it sounded like they were expecting something like wonder bread, which ain't happening with 100% whole wheat!

This stuff is pretty much a meal in a slice... if you make an egg sandwich with a couple pieces of this bread, you won't be hungry for hours...

Summerthyme


You're welcome. And I sure do love that bread. It's the only recipe that's kept in my bread machine when I'm not using it. An egg sandwich has got me drooling.

It's super good with organic all natural PB. No sweetners added. Yuummmm.
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Never tried the Summerthyme’s recipe; however, it is the common basic recipe for most bread variants.

The amount of water or moisture to flour is always proportional, honey can be sugar, the amount determines the sweetness, the gluten seems a bit much but for soft grain and old flour, usually with new hard red berry no gluten works and but a tsp or 2 at the most is needed, but this is a variable for the condition of the flour.

BTW, there is a grain grinder attachment for the Kitchenaid.

Rye bread recipe

1 cup . water
1/3 cup . Molasses
2 ½ tbs . butter
½ tsp . salt
1 tbs . caraway seeds
1/3 cup . whole-wheat flour
1 2/3 cups . rye flour
1 2/3 . bread flour
1/1/2 tsp . yeast

Whole-wheat flour can be used with the rye (replacing bread flour) but might need a tbs or 2 more of water. Add water or flour to get to the consistency you need. All whole wheat with the rye will be a heavier bread.
 
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summerthyme

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Here is one recipe from King Arthur Flour... read the tips at the website (KAF is GREAT about helping out if you have a problem with their recipes or products)... it seems mostly people have a problem with this by letting it over rise.

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/caraway-rye-bread-recipe

This seeded light, soft rye bread is delicious in sandwiches.

1 cup plus 3 tablespoons water
2 tablespoons sugar
1 1/4 cups white rye, medium rye or pumpernickel flour
2 1/4 teaspoons instant yeast
1/2 cup sour cream (low-fat is fine)
2 tablespoons caraway seeds
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
2 cups First Clear Flour
2 tablespoons vital wheat gluten OR King Arthur Whole-Grain Bread Improver

("first clear" flour is a high protein, high ask flour used in Jewish style pumpernickel. Replace it with a GOOD quality bread flour- not the garbage Sam's club sells, or- preferably, your own fresh ground hard winter wheat flour)

In a medium-sized mixing bowl, combine the water, sugar, rye flour and yeast, mixing to form a shaggy dough. Let the dough rest for 20 minutes. Add the remaining ingredients, and mix and knead the dough together -- by hand, mixer or bread machine -- till it's fairly smooth. (Remember, the nature of rye dough is to be sticky, so don't be tempted to add too much flour.) Place the dough in an oiled bowl, cover, and let rise until doubled in bulk, about 1 hour.

Gently deflate the dough, knead it briefly, and shape it into two smooth oval loaves. Place the loaves on a greased or parchment-lined baking sheet, cover them, and let them rise until they're almost doubled, about 1 hour. Gently slash the tops of the loaves in two or three places just before baking.

Bake the bread in a preheated 350°F oven for 35 to 40 minutes, or until an instant-read thermometer inserted into the center reads 190°F to 200°F. Remove the bread from the oven, and allow it to cool on a wire rack. Yield: 2 loaves.

Here is the recipe I use a LOT. I've "tweaked" it a bit... rather than using "rye sour", I add 1 tablespoon of vinegar, OR a PINCH (no more!!!) of citric acid. If you use the vinegar, you'll have to adjust the flour amount a bit. This bread vanishes quickly whenever I make it.... I often make long, narrow loaves for small "appetizer" size slices when we go somewhere for dinner. People can't believe you can make it yourself. I've used maple syrup in place of the molasses, too... it's great.
http://www.reciperascal.com/bauernbrot.htmlBauernbrot

(German: "Farm bread")

Many of the ingredients in this recipe come from King Arthur Flour Co. in Vermont, USA (www.kingarthurflour.com) I use a Kitchenaid K5 (5 qt) mixer to make this bread. If using a K4 (4 qt), reduce quantities by 1/3. If using a bread machine, reduce by 1/2-2/3, depending on size of machine.


To the metal mixing bowl add:

24 oz. water (3/4 l) or 12 oz. beer & 12 oz. water
2 Tablespoons oil
11/2 Tablespoon molasses, sorghum or beet syrup
2 teaspoons pickling salt
Warm over low flame till 110°F or 50°C

Add:

3 cups (3/4 l) light rye flour (not stone ground, it is too coarse)
2 cups (1/2 l) bread flour (King Arthur Special for Machines recommended. You may find it locally in your grocery, Meiers for instance)
Start mixing with flat beater, speed 2.

Add:

3 Tbs vital wheat gluten (King Arthur®)
2 tsp diastatic malt powder (King Arthur®)
2 Tbs instant yeast (SAF® Special, King Arthur®)
4 Tbs rye sour (King Arthur®)
1 Tbs caraway seed, optional
Mix at speed 3 while adding more flour till dough clings to beater and cleans bowl, about 8 minutes. Change to dough hook and use speed 2. Add more bread flour, 1 tsp at a time, till the dough no longer sticks to the bottom of the bowl, 5-7 minutes. Dough should be sticky but fairly stiff, so that the free form loaves will hold their shape when rising. Place in an oiled bowl, turn to coat top, cover and let rise till double at 75-80�F, 50-60 minutes. Punch down, let rest 15 minutes (you can do this a couple of times if desired).

Divide into 2 or 3 pieces. Lightly oil hands and work surface. Shape into round or slightly oblong loaves by working dough with cupped hand from top to bottom (hard to explain, but you will soon figure it out). Place on a greased baking sheet about 6 inches apart. Prick with a chopstick 20-30 times now or slash with a razor or lame just before baking. Cover with a proof cover or a large plastic bin and let rise till almost double. (If you let it go too long, loaves will form cracks and deflate. If this happens, reshape loaves as before.)

Brush carefully with eggwhite mixed with 1 tsp water. Sprinkle with caraway, flax or other seed, if desired. Place in preheated 400�F oven for 30-40 minutes. Rotate sheet after 20 minutes. Bake to a deep, golden brown. Cool on rack.

Finished bread will store, uncovered, cut side down for 2 days (this will keep the crust chewy). After 2 days, wrap in plastic. This bread also freezes well, slice in half and thaw as needed. When older, it makes wonderful toast and grilled cheese sandwiches.

Summerthyme
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My #3 son bought a KitchenAid from Costco, the 5.5-quart mixer. It was the right price as he has been waiting for a couple of years now. Also, he bought a grain grinder attachment from Amazon. His first bread was a mild failure but edible. He followed a cookbook recipe that apparently failed to emphasize the importance of the “rising.” One must have the rise or it just does not come out right. Patience is the problem, once you see and know the rise needed then you will wait for it, an hour or 3 hours whatever it takes. If it fails to rise properly then some ingredient is wrong, too little water, poor quality flower, no gluten, whatever. Some flour (like soft white is low in gluten) and cannot hold the air in the rise, so add gluten as the flour needs.

To reiterate a point from summerthyme’s comments when one places the dough in the baking pan to rise, cut a ½ inch slash across the length and down the center of the loaf, this will help the rise.

Summethyme also discussed the temperature for rising. The bread dough rises best between 75-80 degrees. It is said that hotter temperature slows down the rise and a little lower temperature makes the rise time longer too.
 

Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
Another question: I don't understand gluten. I particularly want to make bread using my own ground "hard red winter" (?) wheat. Isn't that one best for both health and long-term storage ? If so, is added gluten then needed or not needed ?

Thank you.
 

summerthyme

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Hard red winter wheat is a variety of wheat which is quite high in protein. And in wheat, the protein comes in the form of gluten. Therefore, no, you do NOT need to add gluten if you're using mostly a hard wheat as your flour source.

Our personal choice is hard WHITE winter wheat... Montana Gold or Golden 86 (two varieties of HWWW)... it has equivalent protein to the red variety, but is much lighter in color (pretty immaterial unless you have picky eaters) and milder in flavor. The latter makes it MUCH more versatile- I can use it in cakes and cookies and it's almost unnoticeable.

I keep gluten on hand to boost "non-wheat" flours- rye, for example, has almost no gluten, so if you don't add it, or a high gluten wheat flour to the recipe, you'll get a very crumbly loaf. Same goes if you like to add a lot of other whole grains- oats, etc- to your bread. A bit of added gluten will act as "glue" to hold your bread dough together as it rises... it gives you the "stretchiness" that good yeast dough has. And it also will let you make white bread from even low-quality all purpose white flour, which is deliberately low in gluten, so it can make "tender" pastries and cakes.

Summerthyme
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
This is the recipe that I use on weekdays. It is fast and there is no kneading involved. I store the dough in the fridge and grab a bunch out to make a small loaf for dinner. Easy Peasy and I didn't bake either and wanted to learn last year. I also have a Zojirushi machine too and I love it. But I kept thinking that I needed to learn without the machine, just in case TSHTF and it wasn't available. This recipe works great!

http://www.instructables.com/id/No-Knead-Artisan-Bread-FAST-recipe/
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The simple answer to the question is no, you do not need to add gluten. Summerthyme said it right, however there is also the factor of older wheat berry. Two things I noticed over the years, if the Wheat berry is old say 4 or 5 years, it grinds less volume maybe 10-12%. It also seems to have less gluten, which is saying it reacts like it has less gluten.

The wheat berry I am currently using is 4 years going on 5 years old. In rotating we use the oldest obviously but the storage exceeds the present usage so we continually get further behind in rotation. In the course of time it became apparent the elasticity and rise was diminishing with the age of the wheat berry. Not that much but some, therefore a couple of tsp of gluten fixes the issue.

I have both white and red hard, but prefer the taste of the red hard.
 

Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
Yet another question ! Since I want to "mill" my own stored hard red or white wheat, what is the best electric-powered way to do it ? There is a $60 food-processor at Williams-Sonoma that they claim will do it.
 

summerthyme

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The "Best" is a dedicated grain mill. I *love* my Whisper mill... I've milled several hundred pounds of wheat in it since 1999, and it's still going strong. It makes a very fine flour... in fact, it's only drawback is that it only makes flour... from fine to very slightly coarse... but it won't crack grains or make coarsely ground grains for hot cereal or to add to bread for texture.

The Whisper mill is no longer made, and has been replaced by the Nutrimill... the innards look exactly the same, but the Nutrimill is engineered to take up space. However, any decent electric grain mill isn't cheap.

I'd be concerned about that food processor holding up... grinding grain takes some serious power. In fact, the one accessory made for the Kitchen Aid mixers which has burned out more mixers than anything else is their grain mill attachment.

I suspect if you're only planning on grinding a few cups once a week or so, you can probably get away with almost anything that claims it will grind grain into flour. It may not make as fine a flour as you'd like, though... I've used my Vitamix (which is a very powerful "blender") to grind wheat, and it certainly did grind it, but left it slightly coarse and gritty. Perfectly acceptable, but nothing like the flour my Whisper mill makes... you can actually use that flour for fine pastries.

These folks have almost anything you can imagine for grain mills.http://www.pleasanthillgrain.com/

But if you have a use for a heavy duty food processor, so you'll use it even if it doesn't work out for grinding grain, that might not be a bad way to start.

Summerthyme
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have a WhisperMill as well and have used it at least twice a week for nearly 5 years, grinding about a quart of berry at a time or 4 quarts flour per week, sometimes twice that amount.

The WhisperMill draws more than 10 amps so it becomes a logistical problem in a post calamity scenario. However, it is a wonderful tool for these times with abundant power available. The Kitchen Aid attachment is a good backup for grinding as the Mixer only draws a maximum of 475 watts.

The WhisperMill grinder is available at Emergency Essentials

http://beprepared.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_FP M560_A_name_E_Wonder Mill Wheat Grinder

It is now called “Wonder Mill Wheat Grinder” and on sale now for what I paid 5 years ago
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Summerthyme said:
I'd be concerned about that food processor holding up... grinding grain takes some serious power. In fact, the one accessory made for the Kitchen Aid mixers which has burned out more mixers than anything else is their grain mill attachment.
I took my son’s Kitchen Aid grain grinder and opened it up to see how durably made it is. I can say that likely the bushing bearings will wear in short time and cause some wobbling, which in turn will bind to some degree the mill and then stress the relatively small Kitchen Aid motor.

The milling is a little coarse but not bad for bread flour or cakes (water ratio about 1 ½ cups to 4 cups flour for bread). Maybe a little gluten as coarser flour tends to deflate the air bubbles.

Personal opinion is to have this tool as a backup and to bite the bullet and buy the Nutrimill or the Wonder Mill Wheat Grinder.
 

TexasQF

Senior Member
I loved my Whisper Mill until it broke, but I would NOT recommend its replacement... the Wonder Mill.

The Whisper Mill had a wonderful warranty when I bought it in 2003. Then the company closed their doors, voided the warranties, and re-opened as the Wonder Mill. I just looked at the picture of the Wonder Mill on the link. It *looks* identical to the Whisper Mill. To me that is shady company doings and I refuse to do business with such.

For this reason Pleasant Hill Grain where I bought mine, no longer carries the Wonder Mill.

The Nutri Mill is a different mill, different company. I hope to buy one this next summer... Lord willing.

I also bought my Country Living Grain Mill from Pleasant Hill and though I like it... I want the Nutri Mill to use while I can... we are just too busy to grind enough manually for our family.

Another vote for hard white wheat!!
 

Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
Yet another question: Is Pleasant Hill the preferred source here for the wheat in buckets and everything else related ?
It seems like Amazon also carries anything and everything - a one-stop convenient source. Any thought there ?
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I haven't bought from them. I have purchased some from Emergency Essentials, and some in bags from Honeyvillegrains. I did buy wheat from WaltonFeed many years ago, but their shipping is insane because of the distances involved.

If you're in the West, Azure Standard is something to look in to.

In general, I prefer to buy my grains in bags and package them myself, unless I can get a much better deal in buckets...

Summerthyme
 

Golden Eagle

Contributing Member
RJC and Summerthyme - thank you sharing the rye bread recipes. I've been looking for a good one for some time. Will have to try these out!
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
Here is a recipe I make for my husband--He always asks "When are you going to make some more cheese bread?"


Cheese Bread (Bread machine recipe)


1 1/3 cups milk
2 Tbs. vegetable oil
1 1/2 Tbs. sugar
1 1/2 tsp. salt
3 cups shredded cheddar cheese
4 cups bread flour or ( 3 3/4 cups all-purpose flour plus 1/4 cup vital wheat gluten)
2 1/2 tsp. active dry yeast


Put all ingredients in bread machine. Use "sweet" or "fruit and nut" cycle. Makes 2-lb. loaf.

This rises really high and I like to cut it horizontally. I can get 12 slices each from top and bottom.

I once goofed and put 4 cups of cheese in and it still rose high.

This bread is fantastic toasted!
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
I mix nearly everything in my bread machine, pie crust (best I ever made), cookie dough, doughnut dough, biscuits. I hate mixing wet/dry by hand.

For bread, the best I've ever made I used 2 tbs of Auguson Foods Morning Moo milk substitute powder with this recipe:

1 cup plus 1 tbs warm water
1.5 teaspoons sea salt
2 tbs sugar
twist the pan around to mix the above ingredients. Put the pan in the machine then add:
2 tbs oil
3 cups flour (I use unbleached white, I'm not a big brown bread fan)
If using my method you can add the Auguson's Morning Moo to the flour now, or mix it when you put the salt and sugar in and let it dissolve.
make a small dent in the flour and add 2 teaspoons of yeast.

Close lid and bake on bread setting of your choice. The Morning Moo extends the shelf life of your bread by several days, instead of being stale in 2 days it's good for about 5.

I buy my yeast in bricks from Costco, and store in freezer. Once open I put in an airtight container and keep in the freezer-I'm still using a brick I bought about 4 or 5 years ago (I don't make much bread). So long as it's frozen, it seems to keep a long time.
 

RJC

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My Whisper Mill broke 2 weeks ago and I make bread 2 to 3 times a week.
Ordered a new Wonder Mill from Amazon with the “Prime” account and had the mill in hand in less than 2 days with free shipping, price total $259.00. Now I have been using the Whisper Mill for nearly 6 years. And I use my oldest wheat berry all the time, (at least 4 year old) which means it is likely a bit hard than new berry. The new mill grinds much finer with a different range of settings. Always before the finest setting was still too coarse for fine pastry, now a bread setting half way is finer than any flour I have every milled.

The bread rises twice as fast and at half the time the rise is too much, which must have to do with the fineness of the flour.

I will take apart the old mill next week to see if the mill had a shear pin or if the shaft broke. In either case it should be something I can repair. If that proves to be the case I will relate the matter for the old mill can be a backup.
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I took the Whisper Mill apart and discovered the problem was a blockage at the feed to the mill. The grain feeds into the mill through a tube that acts as a valve which is the fine and coarse control. The grain was bound up at that valve. If I had changed the setting to coarse and then back to fine it would have cleared it.

Well the good part is now I have a backup
 
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