BRKG Navy amphib ship on fire-San Diego

Bubble Head

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Who says sabotage has to be a country. We have enough Antifa and BLM's running around that hate this country to get the job done. One E-2 Seaman on watch can do a ship a lot of harm. All members of the military are not loyal to the United States. If you think they are you are entirely fooling yourself. I saw plenty of this disloyalty in Vietnam.
 

Doc1

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This is an old ship and it's been burning for over 24 hours. I'm pretty sure it's a 100% casualty. The Navy often salvages components from damaged ships for use on other vessels, but if the engineering spaces have been flooded by the saltwater used in fighting the fires, this is probably not an option.

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Doc
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Who says sabotage has to be a country. We have enough Antifa and BLM's running around that hate this country to get the job done. One E-2 Seaman on watch can do a ship a lot of harm. All members of the military are not loyal to the United States. If you think they are you are entirely fooling yourself. I saw plenty of this disloyalty in Vietnam.

Look up the fire on the USS Miami. SSN-755. Dumb kid lit it because he wanted the night off.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
The thing is that during any yard period it's pretty much impossible to set Zebra throughout the ship. Cables, hoses, heavy extension cords are spread throughout the ship forcing hatches to be latched open. Yard periods are a freaking mess that sailors end up constantly picking up, cleaning up and a lot of safety measures are overlooked in the melee of workers and crew trying get everything fixed and squared away all at the same time. For a ship that size I was surprised at the small number of watch standers left on board. Generally ships keep a minimum of one fourth of the crew aboard at any one time in port. If they're working on berthing or water and power they will often move the majority of the crew into barracks for the duration of the yard period.

It will be interesting to see the final report on this fire, what/who caused it and the final damage report. For sure it's not going to be pretty. Just glad no lives were lost. Ships can be replaced, but not people.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Sal (CDR Salamander) is WAY not happy. He's included a few thinly veiled-=- ah -=- "warnings" in this.



Monday, July 13, 2020

The Burning of the USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6)


The pic on the right above is from 0700 local time in San Diego via Denis Bondarenko, a civmar across the pier. Over the last 24-hrs, she has burned bow to stern, and overnight fire made it up the island to the bridge, the aft mast collapsed and more. That is only what we can see from the outside, you can imagine the damage internally.

BHR spent the last two years in a yard period. The 22-yr old big-deck amphib was being modernized and made ready for F-35B and to be a critical part of our fleet through this decade. Last night when I realized that after the ship was abandoned, we now had firefighting crews back on board, I was uncharacteristically optimistic, but with the morning not anymore.



I’ll go ahead and make this bet; the ship is a total loss. The big battle now is to make sure the ship does not sink pierside.

There is a lot we do not know, and even though almost everyone who served has their pet theories about fires in a yard, it is best to see what is discovered during the upcoming investigation. With this much damage, finding the cause might be difficult, but we have the world’s best at this, so I’m willing to wait.


There are a few observations that have been top of mind over the last day.

1. We were not ready for the inevitable: I don’t care if it were a Sunday, the Navy was MIA from the information flow as one of our nation’s premier city was blanketed with smoke from a capital ship burning in the heart of the cities. We almost seemed paralyzed and waiting for everything to be fully smooth and approved while the city and nation wondered what was going on. In San Diego especially, there is a special bond between the city and its Navy. We let them down by not showing in a very public way who was the face and voice of the Navy during this crisis.

2. We are not as good at safety as we think we are: Fires during maintenance availability are not uncommon for any navy. How and why was this fire allowed to spready so fast and so far? There are rumors, but I won’t repeat them here as they are just speculation, but this should be known far and wide once the investigation is done. The people of San Diego and the nation need to know. No overclassification issues here. Don’t even try.

3. Can you get underway?: The USS FITZGERALD was right across the pier from BHR and was the first, under a blinding cloud of smoke, to get underway and out of the way. BZ to her crew. From the cheap seats though, that took way too long and not enough ships joined her. That story, along with the other ships close to BHR, sitting there soaking in all those toxic fumes, is another story I want told. That doesn’t even begin to discuss what would have happened if the fuel stores on BHR went.

4. We got lucky: we got lucky the ship was not full of Sailors and so far there have been no deaths. We are lucky that there were no weapons onboard. We are lucky this was not a nuclear powered ship. We are lucky, at least as of 11am Eastern, BHR has not sunk.

PACFLT has had a bad run the last three years, this is just another black eye. More to follow.

 

Chapulin

Veteran Member
I'll leave the technical review to those that understand more. One of the PR tweets yesterday discussed the history of the event and not even a current status sentence. During the event communications should always include the current status.

Whose job is it to move the nearby ships? Doesn't that control shift to the yard tugs at some point?
 

Bubble Head

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Whose job is it to move the nearby ships? Doesn't that control shift to the yard tugs at some point?

It falls on the Captain of each ship to get out of harms way. There may have been some immediate dispute amongst Admirals on what to do but the Captain of the Ship is ultimately responsible.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Why cant they hook up to it & tow it off a ways? Hazard pay of course....
I'm a female, I'm asking cause I have no clue. :shr:
Normal you would it the fire was a risk to other boats.
I'm guessing there was not much of a chance of spreading.
Plus it's easier to salvage if it sinks at the dock in shallow water.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
Normal you would it the fire was a risk to other boats.
I'm guessing there was not much of a chance of spreading.
Plus it's easier to salvage if it sinks at the dock in shallow water.
Thank you. That makes sense. I thought they didn't want it to sink in shallower water!
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I thought they didn't want it to sink in shallower water!

Pretty easy to refloat it if most of it is above water. It's low in the water now because of all they've sprayed aboard. So far there's no cause to think the hull is breached. So refloating it just requires hooking up a bunch of pumps. If it sinks far enough to put hatches or access ports underwater, those need to be closed or perhaps welded up. Still not a huge effort. Rolling over would make the job considerably tougher.
 

Macgyver

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Thank you. That makes sense. I thought they didn't want it to sink in shallower water!
Granted this thing is going down due to the fire fighting water. Not a hull breach.
It's better to be in the shallows. It it sinks entirely is a epa nightmare.
Evey speck of oil and toxic substance is coming out of the hull if it sinks completely.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It has been burning at dock for 30 hours. Guess they were lucky they never took a missle at sea or had John McCain try to take off from its deck. I am beginning to question the new Navy abilities to handle fires. We advanced on the fire but that does not seem to be the current strategy. More laid back and let’s see if throwing some water on it helps. Of course not being able to set condition Zebra has a huge effect on spread.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
The ship has a draft of 27 feet.
Sitting pierside it could probably sink down another 10 or 15 feet before it rested on the muddy bottom. It would then be relatively easy to pump out and refloat and move to salvage it.
Heavy propulsion machinery at the bottom of the ship would probably give a lot of stability providing the upper spaces arent flooded with water.
Ships have huge eductor pumps already installed that could be used to pump out most of the water. Provided they were hooked up with outside supply of water.
Reports said that the fire started in the well deck which is where the amphib vehicles are usually located, although they had all been off loaded much earlier.

As far as the Fitz and another ship close by, they were moved a couple of hours after the people realized the full extent of the fire.
Remember, this was Sunday. Ship was in extended maintenance. A lot of the crew are at various training schools. Duty section is on board. The base admiral is probably out golfing. Duty section fire party were the first to engage the fire. Their actions would include shutting down ventilation, securing all electrical power to the fire and surrounding spaces. However the fires were much to large for ships company to control.
Fire parties from other ships were also used as well as base fire fighters and finally civilian firefighters.
NDs and other posts mentioning the fire traveling almost the length of the ship is almost the death knell for any hopes of salvaging. The mast crumpling was the final straw. :shk:
The diagram below will help in understanding the extent of damage once the fire is out.
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Todays info about the fire.
57 injured. The additional people are probably due to smoke inhalation of those on the fire parties.

57 injured in fire aboard ship at Naval Base San Diego
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Smoke rises from the USS Bonhomme Richard at Naval Base San Diego Sunday, July 12, 2020, in San Diego after an explosion and fire Sunday on board the ship at Naval Base San Diego. (AP Photo/Denis Poroy)


SAN DIEGO (AP) — Firefighters were still battling a blaze Monday on a Navy combat ship that injured at least 57 people and sent smoke billowing over San Diego.
The fire began Sunday morning aboard the USS Bonhomme Richard, apparently in a vehicle storage area as the ship was in a berth undergoing maintenance, according to Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck.
Initially, 17 sailors and four civilians were reported injured but by early Monday the number had grown to 57 and five remained hospitalized for observation, the Navy said.
Firefighters attacked the flames inside the ship while firefighting vessels with water cannons directed streams of seawater into the ship and helicopters made water drops.

“Sailors across this waterfront are absolutely doing a magnificent job,” Sobeck said at a press conference Sunday.
He said there was no ordnance on board, and while the ship holds a million gallons (3.7 million liters) of fuel it was “well below” any heat source.
About 160 sailors and officers were on board when an explosion and flames sent up a huge plume of dark smoke from the 840-foot (255-meter) amphibious assault vessel, which has been docked at Naval Base San Diego. That’s far fewer than the thousand typically on the ship when it’s on active duty, said Mike Raney, a spokesman for Naval Surface Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet.

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All crew members were accounted for, said Admiral Mike Gilday, Chief of Naval Operations.
Sobeck, commander of Expeditionary Strike Group 3, said the Navy thinks the fire began somewhere in a lower cargo hold where equipment and vehicles are stored.
The fire spread up into office and personnel berths where it was fueled by paper, cloth, rags or other materials in a standard fire, Sobeck said. He said he was not concerned about the air quality or toxicity around the fire.
“There was a report of an internal explosion,” Sobeck said. “What we cannot ascertain is exactly what the explosion was caused from.”
The admiral suggested that the compartment heated up and over-pressurized.
The 23-year-old ship has the capacity to deploy and land helicopters, certain types of short-takeoff airplanes, smaller boats and amphibious vehicles.
Because of its age, a fire could be particularly destructive, especially if it reached the engine room and other tight spaces with machinery, said Lawrence B. Brennan, a professor of admiralty and international maritime law at Fordham University in New York.

“The heat of a fire of this nature can warp the steel, and that can be a major problem for any ship,” said Brennan. “On an older ship, it’s even more of a problem.”
Two other docked ships, USS Fitzgerald and USS Russell, were moved to berths away from the fire, officials said.
The ship was commissioned in 1998, and is the third to bear the name Bonhomme Richard. During the Revolutionary War, Capt. John Paul Jones named the first ship after the French translation of the pen name Benjamin Franklin used as the author of “Poor Richard’s Almanac.”

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bw

Fringe Ranger
For an idea of the task if this thing rolls over at the dock, search Youtube for "Pearl Harbor Salvage". They did some amazing work there.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
It's a pretty big deal that Expeditionary Strike Group 3 has lost its flag ship.


THIS RIGHT HERE is the big issue I see. Pretty sure we don't have a couple vest pocket carriers just floating around somewhere like Diego Garcia with a MINIMAL crew complement (basically a fire watch and not much else on board) to fill in on ESG 3. I have a NASTY feeling we might need that ESG in the So China Sea pretty soon, with the Mandarins talking the way they are. ALSO pretty sure there ain't a mothballed ANYTHING that would be close to fulfilling a pulse order.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
If I'm Donald, and because I'm something of an ass, I go to the funny building with no square corners and haul in every Navy Star-wearer, and every Marine Star-wearer, and I ask how soon we can pulse EVERYTHING THAT FLOATS and has offensive capabilities (Guns, ASROCs, cruise missiles (tipped with I don't CARE WHAT), and even small arms.) when the brass finishes picking up their store teeth from various locations to which they got ejected I'd ask for a date. When they recovered their voices and GAVE ME one, I'd "That might be nice. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!! EVERY SEAWORTHY HULL IS ON WATER BY OCT 30, 2020. MAKE IT HAPPEN!"


"You DID this once a few years ago, DO IT AGAIN!!"
"You all SURELY remember the Summer Pulse you ran in 04?"
"THAT was SP04. THIS is AP20 -=- Autumn Pulse 2020 Now TACAMO MOVE!!"
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Does this pic look familiar???
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Well it's not the USS BonHomme Richard.
Its the new Chinese helicopter carrier/amphib with roughly the same mission as our currently burning ship. It caught fire April 11, almost exactly 3 months before the USS BonHomme Richard. Hell the fire looks almost identical.
New Chinese Assault Carrier Catches Fire
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Black smoke has been seen billowing from China’s first assault carrier in Shanghai. The new Type-075 carrier, which is similar to the U.S. Navy’s America Class assault carriers, is designed to carry helicopters and hovercraft to support amphibious landings.

The smoke was reported on Chinese social media platforms earlier today. Images suggest that the fire took hold within the hull of the ship, possibly in the expansive aircraft hanger. Smoke came out of the open aircraft lift near the front of the island superstructure. Smoke also came out of the rear hangar opening. For a time a massive cloud of smoke rose high into the air, and would have been visible for miles around.


The fire was put out, but not before causing significant smoke damage to the hull. The extent of damage inside is not yet known. Black stains can now be seen from the ship's large well deck in the stern, contrasting with the clean gray paint. The vessel was only launched on September 25 and is being fitted out before sea trials.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2020/07/13/irelands-air-force-badly-needs-fighter-jets/

The incident is clearly bad news for China's navy, known as the PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy). Yet although it will clearly set back the fitting out process for the ship, outward signs are that it was dealt with quickly. It is unlikely to prevent the completion of the ship.

Satellite imagery shows that hull sections of the next ship to be constructed in the dry dock are already queued up. So the shipyard will want to get the carrier into the water as soon as possible, despite the incident with her sister-ship. The next vessel to use the dry dock appears to frigate, but more assault carriers are expected.

These assault carriers will be the backbone of China's amphibious warfare capability. They will add to the already greatly expanded and modernized amphibious fleet. Currently the main ships are Type-071 landing platform docks (LPD). Those are equivalent to the U.S. Navy's San Antonio class amphibious transport dock, whereas the new carriers will be more like the Wasp and America classes.
 

Sid Vicious

Veteran Member
THIS RIGHT HERE is the big issue I see. Pretty sure we don't have a couple vest pocket carriers just floating around somewhere like Diego Garcia with a MINIMAL crew complement (basically a fire watch and not much else on board) to fill in on ESG 3. I have a NASTY feeling we might need that ESG in the So China Sea pretty soon, with the Mandarins talking the way they are. ALSO pretty sure there ain't a mothballed ANYTHING that would be close to fulfilling a pulse order.

Pretty sure we could bring back an LHA.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A ship fire at port is the worst case scenario. You have a skeleton crew. All the hatchways are open and cannot be closed due to cables, ventilation hoses ect. Far more than the usual combustable materials all over the place. Sundays are the worst days for a fire. Most of the crew are not even working, so its hard to assemble fire parties which are mandatory during any welding. Shucks it could have been as simple as a spontaneous combustion from rags left in linseed oil.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There were five ships in the Tarawa class, all retired as of 2015. They could be brought back into commission, as they are in reserve and not yet subject to breaking.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I will ASSUME that these aren't mothballed but RESERVE ships. Last time I had a discussion on some mothballed craft I got LEARNED that us civies have no clue that mothballed means 2 years of refit to launch. (Yep them lash marks are STILL sensitive)
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
There are 3 Tarawas still in Reserve. Tarawa, Nassau and Peleliu. 2 in Pearl Harbor and 1 in TX.
I remember all 3 of them going away but had thought they had evaporated.

Now, are these 3 still 6-10 months from order to sortie?? If so then we STILL need a Pulse this summer/Autumn.
 

BornFree

Came This Far
It is hard to believe that a ship like this sitting on an ocean of water does not have the capability to allow a fire to be extinguished. Imagine if this ship were in actual war. It would be toast on the first day it was bombed.

To bad it didn't have a plug on the bottom. They could have pulled the plug and let it sink. Put the plug back in and pump it back out to re-float it. There probably would be less damage.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I’m thinking to myself, “ if this is part and parcel of an undeclared war taking place between us and China, and this fire was payback for them losing their similar ship mentioned above by TerryK, I would expect that China just got a text message from a secret “admirer” leading off somewhat like “that sure is a nice dam ya got there, sure would be a shame if something happened to it...”
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
I remember all 3 of them going away but had thought they had evaporated.

Now, are these 3 still 6-10 months from order to sortie?? If so then we STILL need a Pulse this summer/Autumn.

I don't know exactly. I only knew of the two at Pearl because a friend was talking about them last fall. He is a Navy buff. I looked the Tarawas up on Wikipedia and got the above info.

From what I can gather I think the Nassau in Beaumont is most likely the one to get going first. It is listed as part of the reserve fleet which in theory is ready on less than 120 days. I dont know if ready means can be sailed out of the anchorage or fully ready for combat. I would bet the former. I don't know about Tarawa and Peleliu. Peleliu was the last one decommissioned. I am sure that folks are looking at those ships right now to see what it would take to bring one back.

The USS Tripoli was just commissioned. I would be that whatever ship she was to replace will get some sort of service life extension as a stop gap measure to provide coverage.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I am SURE there are contingency people pulling out plans but MY concern is that things are getting REAL WARM in the SChina Sea and environs...And the Mandarins RARELY miss an opportunity like this. Which it is, no doubt.
 

Sid Vicious

Veteran Member
It is hard to believe that a ship like this sitting on an ocean of water does not have the capability to allow a fire to be extinguished. Imagine if this ship were in actual war. It would be toast on the first day it was bombed.

To bad it didn't have a plug on the bottom. They could have pulled the plug and let it sink. Put the plug back in and pump it back out to re-float it. There probably would be less damage.


Keep in mind that 80+ % of the crew were not onboard. Most of the hatches / ventalation you would have in combat closed were open. Many of the weather-deck hatches were open to bring in ventilation, power, and water.
 
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