HEALTH Mysterious pneumonia kills 3, infects 9 in Argentina: ‘Similar to COVID’

summerthyme

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Maybe COVID previously damaged lungs?

Summerthyme
I had to do some digging, because my experience with Lepto is all in cows. But apparently, pneumonia isn't uncommon, but it appears to be more of a secondary thing due yo general debilitation and organ damage... IOW, it's probably not "lepto pneumonia". But a secondary mycoplasma or bacterial infection.

Pulmonary involvement of leptospirosis occurs in 20%-70% of patients[11] and is mostly secondary to renal and hepatic dysfunction as an immunity-mediated status[12,13], including mild to severe pneumonia, deadly alveolar hemorrhage, adult respiratory distress syndrome, etc.Mar 16, 2021

However, it apparently happened last year (which is probably why doctors are looking at it now)

Our experience with lepto started early, as it was endemic on our farm (lots of deer, coyotes and other carriers). We had to vaccinate the cattle every 90 days, as otherwise we'd see a break in clinical cases... generally an udder infection which caused a specific type of mastitis we learned to recognize instantly. You couldn't treat it by infusing the udder with antibiotics... you had to hit the whole cow with IV tetracycline. We never saw the expensive and frustrating late term abortions... right about the time you were ready to dry her off in anticipation of her new calf in 2 months... you'd walk in to a dead calf in the gutter. Our vax program prevented that.

But we did see a couple of acute cases, including a cow whose entire udder filled with blood, and her kidneys were badly damaged. She lived long enough to produce a world record holding-for-milk- production daughter.

Interestingly, we've never vaccinated a dog for lepto, and to our knowledge, never had a case. I have used doxycycline on a few farm dogs over the years, more because I suspected Lyme, but even before that was known, most of them perked up within 2 days. Some sort of debilitating infection, but no idea if it was lepto.

Summerthyme
 

jward

passin' thru
Yes., it does.

Thank you
Thank you for the update.

This is not good. He's not at the same hospital as the other 9 cases. Is he related (in a contact way) to any of the other cases or was he at the private hospital any time recently - or is this a totally isolated case? We need more info...

HD
You both are welcome, I'm always happy to post on threads, of course.
No need for special posts bout it, tho. That just pads threads and makes them cumbersome, and it even more difficult for those working or short of time to find any relevant info, imo.
(..tho hopefully this will soon be shown to be a nothing burger, except for the unfortunate victims, and there will be no need to streamline access to important info..)

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It’s starting to sound like an environmental pathogen specific to that hospital. I’m guessing this patient was in the sanitarium recently (it just says in the past)? Maybe I’m just hopeful, but this doesn’t sound like close contact transmission. No family members yet, right?


Dromanma1018
@dromanma1018
3h

You are correct, all are connected to the same place which right now is reassuring. There isn’t been spread outside. While this is “new” case, it’s really just finding the ones from the same grouping. They found three yesterday
 

jward

passin' thru
Secondary confirmation (that I find reassuring at this point) that our newest known case was in fact treated briefly in the facility that thus far has been associated with all known cases. So...in fact his limited engagement should help solve mystery, one would think...






Enrique A.
@HenrikAborym
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But the investigation found that some days ago, he attended the sanatorium where the outbreak took place. He was there for a standar medical procedure, then discharged and returned home, where he developed pneumonia.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I’ll be gone tomorrow, I’ll try to remember to write about my experience with lepto on Sunday. That said it would not surprise me in the least that this is some new plague.
 

jward

passin' thru
Aha, finally, the source and third confirmation that the latest patient did also have proceedures done at the location associated with all the other outbreaks.

"could be" a new plague, but the more we learn the more convinced I am that the sanatarium and some pathogen that was introduced there by accident or negligence, is the source of this. . .
Please note too that the # 19 being bandied about is total # of patients left at facility (or on that floor/unit) and not the # of ill w/ this outbreak.

Argentine officials probe deadly unexplained pneumonia outbreak​


Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News | Sep 02, 2022

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Health officials in Argentina are investigating an unexplained pneumonia outbreak cluster linked to a healthcare facility in Tucuman province in the northern part of the country that has sickened 10 people so far, 3 of them fatally, according to government and media sources.
In a statement today, the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), a regional office of the World Health Organization (WHO) said it received notification from Argentina's health ministry on Aug 30 about a cluster of 6 bilateral pneumonia cases (involving both lungs) due to an unknown source, 2 of them fatal.
PAHO said five case-patients are healthcare workers and one is a patient who is hospitalized in the intensive care unit (ICU) at a private clinic in the city of San Miguel de Tucuman.
Symptom onsets range from Aug 18 to Aug 22. Symptoms include fever, muscle soreness, abdominal pain, and difficulty breathing. Three patients were hospitalized and one is isolating at home in stable condition.

COVID, hantavirus, Legionella ruled out​

Testing at the local health lab was negative for known respiratory viruses and other bacterial and fungal causes. Officials said initial testing has ruled out COVID-19, hantavirus, and Legionella. Samples have been sent to a national lab for further testing.
Provincial health officials yesterday reported 3 more cases, all involving healthcare workers who have similar symptoms.
PAHO said that, of 9 cases reported so far, 3 are fatal and that no cases so far have been identified among the patients' contacts. Provincial officials said yesterday that the third death involved a 70-year-old woman who was not a medical staff member but had undergone surgery at the facility.

Chemical tests pending​

Today, the Tucuman province health ministry reported a tenth case, an 81-year-old man who has underlying health conditions and is hospitalized in serious condition. He had previously been hospitalized in the same facility linked to the other patients in the cluster.
In a separate statement, the ministry said 5 of the 10 patients remain hospitalized in serious condition, with 4 of them requiring mechanical ventilation. Three are being treated on an outpatient basis. Officials added that they haven't found any pathogens in the facility's water and results of chemical tests are pending.

 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
I had just read somewhere, in my email I think, that the next "vaccine" they want is for a pneumonia.

Time to pray against that, too! Sooooo much information!
 

jward

passin' thru
I was seeing something in staff lounge, but OR would work too, probably much better, I guess.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
according to the local news CH 13, Des Moines, IA, it'll be for monkey pox

They want everyone to have a "vaccine passport," aka a digital passport, and they can KMA as I say, "no way."

They are trying to throw a bunch out there for their attempted next plandemic. Too much overreach, they want control of all people and to reduce the number of us to a fraction of what it was. They will try to get us to trust the WHO, and that is the epicenter of corruption, well, that and the WEF. The WHO and WEF have no jurisdiction over us, but they are trying.

This is what I was referring to: from emails:

THE NEXT VAX: Big Pharma pushing to release ANOTHER mRNA “vaccine,” this one for RSV (respiratory syncytial virus)​

Friday, September 02, 2022 by: Ethan Huff
Tags: badhealth, badmedicine, Big Pharma, biotech, conspiracy, Dangerous Medicine, immune system, Immunizations, infections, Javara, medical experiments, Moderna, mRNA, pharmaceutical fraud, respiratory syncytial virus, rsv, vaccine tech, vaccines

This article may contain statements that reflect the opinion of the author

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This whole article will be posted in the "Q" as per forum rules.
 

jward

passin' thru






Enrique A.
@HenrikAborym


#BREAKING Tucumán health officers report a NEW case of pneumonia. This would be the case number 11. He is a 64yo male, who is hospitalized, in serious condition and w/mechanical ventilation assitance.
View: https://twitter.com/HenrikAborym/status/1566045957447249920?s=20&t=qLzdrezqLn0xhDO9tBwokg



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Hmm…is he linked with the clinic outbreak?



Enrique A.
@HenrikAborym
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Yes. According to the report, he is. No details yet on how is he linked. Since he is hospitalized in a "private healthcenter" , he could be a former patient of the Sanatorium that just returned after developing pneumonia at home. Details to come later in the day.
 

psychgirl

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Enrique A.
@HenrikAborym


#BREAKING Tucumán health officers report a NEW case of pneumonia. This would be the case number 11. He is a 64yo male, who is hospitalized, in serious condition and w/mechanical ventilation assitance.
View: https://twitter.com/HenrikAborym/status/1566045957447249920?s=20&t=qLzdrezqLn0xhDO9tBwokg




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Hmm…is he linked with the clinic outbreak?



Enrique A.
@HenrikAborym
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Yes. According to the report, he is. No details yet on how is he linked. Since he is hospitalized in a "private healthcenter" , he could be a former patient of the Sanatorium that just returned after developing pneumonia at home. Details to come later in the day.
Dear God, another one.
 

jward

passin' thru
Spose it could be a mutated H1 strain, but thought they were far more infectious than we're seeing thus far?


Read that CA had a case a year or so back of legionnaires that initially didn't trigger, so I'd still assume it was more likely to be that or some similar causation...remember, they'd ruled out most, but not all, of those strains, as of testing results yesterday.

#11 is associated with the original cluster, so, though it is a personal tragedy for him and his loved ones, it is not particularly ominous in the bigger picture...
 

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From the Buenos Aires Times. (english edition).

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Health officials links four pneumonia deaths in Tucumán to Legionnaires' disease
A fourth patient has died in the mysterious outbreak of a pneumonia of unknown origin in Tucumán, as a local outlet reports that at least one of the 11 infected have tested positive for Legionnaires' disease.

Today 16:30

Bacteria from Legionnaires' disease has been identified as the cause of a mysterious outbreak of bilateral pneumonia in Argentina, which as of Saturday has resulted in four deaths among 11 people infected.

"The agent causing the outbreak of bilateral pneumonia is Legionella," said National Health Ministry Carla Vizzotti at a press conference on Saturday.

The bacteria causes Legionnaires' disease, a very serious type of atypical pneumonia with fever and acute lung infection. The bacteria is usually found in freshwater environments, such as lakes and streams. The common source of infection is from fountains and water systems in large buildings, hospitals or hotels.

Earlier on Saturday, the Tucumán Province Health Ministry confirmed that a fourth patient had died from the outbreak, which authorities previously described as of "unknown origin."

"He was a 48-year-old male patient with comorbidities who was hospitalised in serious condition in the public sector," the Tucumán Province Health Ministry said on its website.

Seven other people with symptoms of bilateral pneumonia, also known as double pneumonia, all linked to a private hospital where the outbreak occurred in San Miguel de Tucumán, remain in intensive care units or in isolation at home.

A first indication of the potential origin of the outbreak arrived on Saturday when the local La Gaceta de Tucumán newspaper reported that samples taken from the patients "tested positive for Legionella," the bacteria from Legionnaires disease. The article cited unnamed sources at the prestigious ANLIS-Malbrán research institute in Buenos Aires.

The state-run laboratory, where the samples were sent, has yet to make an official statement.


The total number of cases since the start of the outbreak rose to 11 on Saturday. Of the original 10 cases, eight are health professionals who worked at the private hospital.

Potential cases of Covid-19, influenza or hantavirus were ruled out from the outset by infectious disease testing.

– TIMES/AFP
 

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Legionella suspected of causing illness that killed 3 and sickened 7 in Argentina, health officials say
The cases appear to be centered around a medical facility in San Miguel de Tucumán, health officials said. Symptoms include pneumonia, fever and abdominal pain.

By Dennis Romero and Isabela Espadas Barros Leal
Sept. 3, 2022, 7:10 PM UTC / Updated Sept. 3, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

An illness that has stricken 10 people in Argentina, killing three, may have been the result of Legionella, the bacteria that causes Legionnaires’ disease, health officials said Saturday.

Officials have been trying to determine what was causing the malady that had sickened 10 people linked to a private clinic in the city of San Miguel de Tucumán, officials said in multiple statements.

On Saturday, health officials said Legionella bacteria was identified in tests of four samples — three respiratory and a biopsy from one of the people who died.

“The suspicion is that it is an outbreak of legionella pneumophila,” Dr. Carla Vizzotti, the country’s health minister, said in a statement.

Data is still preliminary and pending final diagnosis, Vizzotti added.

The Legionella bacteria can be transmitted when people breathe in small droplets of water or accidentally swallow water containing the bacteria into the lungs, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It can cause Legionnaires’ disease, a serious type of pneumonia.

The 10 patients include three people who were under observation and receiving treatment and an 81-year-old man who was hospitalized in serious condition, the health ministry for Tucumán Province said.

Three employees at the Luz Médica clinic also contracted the illness: a 40-year-old pharmacy assistant who was hospitalized, a 44-year-old nurse being monitored at home, and a 30-year-old nurse, said Luis Medina Ruiz, the provincial health minister, at a news conference this week.

The three who died had preexisting conditions, or comorbidity, the ministry said. Among the dead was a 70-year-old woman who had gallbladder surgery at the clinic, Ruiz said.

She was at first considered the cluster’s “patient zero,” but her case will undergo further analysis, he said.

Symptoms, which first appeared in six cases related to the facility, developed from Aug. 18 to 23, provincial health officials said. The latest cases included three patients announced Thursday and one — the 81-year-old man — announced Friday.

The World Health Organization’s agency for the Americas, the Pan American Health Organization, said Argentina’s Ministry of Health informed it of the initial cluster of six patients on Tuesday.

PAHO said Thursday that hallmarks of the then-mystery illness include bilateral pneumonia, defined by infection in both lungs, as well as fever, muscle aches, abdominal pain, and difficulty breathing.

Tests for respiratory viruses as well as other viral, bacterial and fungal agents have so far been negative in the first six cases, PAHO said in a statement Thursday.

At a news conference this week with Ruiz and other medical professionals, it was announced that initial testing also appeared to rule out Covid-19, Legionella and hantavirus, which can be spread by rodents.

Additional tests, including those that would find noninfectious, potentially drug-related or toxicity fueled causes, were being conducted at a national laboratory run by the Argentinian government, PAHO said.
 

psychgirl

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I wonder why, after testing negative for Legionnaires disease twice, it’s now coming up positive?
The threads I’ve read all mention tests were ran twice, unless I’m misunderstanding
 

Heliobas Disciple

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I wonder why, after testing negative for Legionnaires disease twice, it’s now coming up positive?
The threads I’ve read all mention tests were ran twice, unless I’m misunderstanding

There are different strains of Legionnaire's. Maybe they didn't test for the one (Neumophila) that showed up. :shr: I'm as confused as you are though. I thought that antibiotics didn't work, if this is Legionnaire's, it's bacterial and they should've worked. I think it's a still wait and see situtation but that we'll get clarification next week. Next post I will post the google translate of the spanish language article attached to the tweet.


View: https://twitter.com/HenrikAborym/status/1566143107715829760?cxt=HHwWgMCgrfq2h7wrAAAA


Enrique A.@HenrikAborym
3:16 PM · Sep 3, 2022

JUST IN: The Federal Minister of Health reports that 4 of the tested samples from Tucumán gave a Legionella confirmation. However, the species remains unknown. They believe it is Neumophila and later they will confirm/deny this.

SALUD PUBLICA TUC@MSALUDTUC​
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SITUACIÓN EPIDEMIOLÓGICA: Vizzotti confirmó que el brote de neumonía en Tucumán fue por legionella​
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Now they say there is an antibiotic treatment. Maybe the one they used didn't match this strain. That does happen all the time; doctors run cultures on bacterias to find the antibiotic that best defeats that specific bacteria .Hopefully they will find the correct antibiotic and we'll soon be reading how all the patients recovered and that they found the source of water giving off the bacteria at the private clinic. We can watch the story until then....



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Vizzotti confirmed that the outbreak of pneumonia in Tucumán was due to legionella
September 3, 2022

From Government House, the Minister of Health of the Nation, together with her counterpart from the province, Dr. Luis Medina Ruiz, confirmed that it is an outbreak of legionella, possibly pneumophila.

With the presence of the Minister of Health of the Nation, Carla Vizzotti , and the representative in Argentina of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), Eva Jané Llopis, this Saturday from the province's health portfolio confirmed that the samples taken from patients affected by bilateral pneumonia tested positive for legionella bacteria.

Vizzotti explained at a press conference that, until now, they have preliminary information and there is still progress to be made in the final diagnosis, which is with serological pairs, however "in four samples (three respiratory and a puncture biopsy of one of the deceased) it is being isolated in the PCR a bacterium called legionella and its surname is being typified and will be there today," he said, adding: "The suspicion is that it is an outbreak of legionella pneumophila."

The Minister of Health commented that it is a bacterium that is transmitted by inhalation through water or air conditioning. It has an antibiotic treatment and a significant impact on people at risk, older than 50 years, smokers, diabetics and people with immunocompromise or respiratory diseases.

All the actions are being generated and the recommendation that we agree with the provincial team is that, having the diagnosis and that it is safe to transfer these patients to another hospital to follow their evolution, to be able to generate an exhaustive study of the health center and thus carry out the actions in the building both in the water and in the air conditioning system so that it is completely safe to return to work in such a health center”, said Vizzotti.

For his part, the Minister of Public Health, Dr. Luis Medina Ruiz , highlighted the joint work with the Nation and contextualized stating that since last Saturday, when they became aware of two patients with bilateral pneumonia who were not with a known etiology of the 30 studies that can be developed in Tucumán and that they came from the same place of work, "it caught our attention and we began to work in the active search for patients who meet the same conditions and we found six".

"So it was that on Monday we checked that it was neither Covid-19 nor flu nor hantavirus*, and on Tuesday we made the decision to make this new epidemic situation known and we generated a contingency plan together with the Nation to evaluate the etiology," he explained. [*my comment: no, what they said is "it's not covid-19, flu, LEGIONNAIRE'S or hantavirus" = scroll up, you can see it in the prior articles]

Along these lines, he continued: “We developed a patient control strategy, we decided on the sanitary isolation of the private sanatorium and we sent samples to the National Institute of Microbiology Dr. Malbrán and the National Institute of Human Viral Diseases «Dr. Julio I. Maiztegui».

Finally, the representative of the Pan American Health Organization, Dr. Eva Jane Llopis , valued the speed and efficiency with which these cases were worked on both in the province and in the Nation. “This demonstrates an optimal way to identify the problem and respond, in addition to notifying the world in a timely manner, through the mechanism of international health regulations. There you can see the commitment of Tucumán and Argentina to global public health and I think this is very important”, she emphasized.
 

psychgirl

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Vizzotti confirmed that the outbreak of pneumonia in Tucumán was due to legionella
September 3, 2022

From Government House, the Minister of Health of the Nation, together with her counterpart from the province, Dr. Luis Medina Ruiz, confirmed that it is an outbreak of legionella, possibly pneumophila.

With the presence of the Minister of Health of the Nation, Carla Vizzotti , and the representative in Argentina of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), Eva Jané Llopis, this Saturday from the province's health portfolio confirmed that the samples taken from patients affected by bilateral pneumonia tested positive for legionella bacteria.

Vizzotti explained at a press conference that, until now, they have preliminary information and there is still progress to be made in the final diagnosis, which is with serological pairs, however "in four samples (three respiratory and a puncture biopsy of one of the deceased) it is being isolated in the PCR a bacterium called legionella and its surname is being typified and will be there today," he said, adding: "The suspicion is that it is an outbreak of legionella pneumophila."

The Minister of Health commented that it is a bacterium that is transmitted by inhalation through water or air conditioning. It has an antibiotic treatment and a significant impact on people at risk, older than 50 years, smokers, diabetics and people with immunocompromise or respiratory diseases.

All the actions are being generated and the recommendation that we agree with the provincial team is that, having the diagnosis and that it is safe to transfer these patients to another hospital to follow their evolution, to be able to generate an exhaustive study of the health center and thus carry out the actions in the building both in the water and in the air conditioning system so that it is completely safe to return to work in such a health center”, said Vizzotti.

For his part, the Minister of Public Health, Dr. Luis Medina Ruiz , highlighted the joint work with the Nation and contextualized stating that since last Saturday, when they became aware of two patients with bilateral pneumonia who were not with a known etiology of the 30 studies that can be developed in Tucumán and that they came from the same place of work, "it caught our attention and we began to work in the active search for patients who meet the same conditions and we found six".

"So it was that on Monday we checked that it was neither Covid-19 nor flu nor hantavirus*, and on Tuesday we made the decision to make this new epidemic situation known and we generated a contingency plan together with the Nation to evaluate the etiology," he explained. [*my comment: no, what they said is "it's not covid-19, flu, LEGIONNAIRE'S or hantavirus" = scroll up, you can see it in the prior articles]

Along these lines, he continued: “We developed a patient control strategy, we decided on the sanitary isolation of the private sanatorium and we sent samples to the National Institute of Microbiology Dr. Malbrán and the National Institute of Human Viral Diseases «Dr. Julio I. Maiztegui».

Finally, the representative of the Pan American Health Organization, Dr. Eva Jane Llopis , valued the speed and efficiency with which these cases were worked on both in the province and in the Nation. “This demonstrates an optimal way to identify the problem and respond, in addition to notifying the world in a timely manner, through the mechanism of international health regulations. There you can see the commitment of Tucumán and Argentina to global public health and I think this is very important”, she emphasized.
Youre exactly right! I read report after report in the last three days, saying specifically it was not Legionella.

I’m confused also by those NOT infected. Wouldn’t the entire facility and staff, about darn near ALL be sick by now if it’s Legionnaires??
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Youre exactly right! I read report after report in the last three days, saying specifically it was not Legionella.

I’m confused also by those NOT infected. Wouldn’t the entire facility and staff, about darn near ALL be sick by now if it’s Legionnaires??

Good point. Maybe they have a stronger immune system. The did say those who were sick have co-morbidities. Let's see if the antibiotics work and if they have community spread. If there are no community cases (ie no cases from anyone who was not at the clinic itself breathing in the contaminated air) and the chosen antibiotic works, it's probably a settled story. If not, more questions...

HD
 

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I originally posted a covid related post here, I realized my mistake and moved it to the covid thread. Replacing it with this news I meant to post here originally before I got all mixed up ;) You can see what was originally posted a few posts down as naegling62 quoted it. A sad story and situation for a high school football player.

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Update – Legionella identified as cause of cluster of pneumonia cases in Tucuman, Argentina
3 Sep 2022
Press conference Minister of Health Argentina, PAHO representative

Photo caption: Press conference on 3 September 2022. From left: Luis Medina Ruiz, Minister of Health for Tucumán Province; Carla Vizzotti, Minister of Health of Argentina; Eva Jane Llopis, PAHO and WHO Representative in Argentina. Credit: Ministerio de Salud Pública de Tucumán, Argentina

Washington, D.C., 3 September 2022 (PAHO) - The Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) has been informed by the Argentina Ministry of Health that legionella has been confirmed as the cause of a cluster of pneumonia cases associated with a health clinic in the province of Tucuman, Argentina.

To date, a total of 11 cases have been identified, including four deaths in patients with comorbidities.

Legionella, in particular bacterium L. pneumophila, is associated with outbreaks of severe pneumonia. The most common form of transmission is inhalation of contaminated aerosols produced in conjunction with water sprays, jets or mists. Infection can also occur by aspiration of contaminated water or ice, particularly in susceptible patients in hospital environments. Treatment includes the administration of antibiotics for several weeks or months.

The Argentina Ministry of Health and the provincial health authorities are working to identify the source and implement appropriate control measures. They are collecting environmental samples, conducting risk assessments, and implementing actions in the healthcare clinic related to the outbreak.

PAHO is providing support to Argentinian health authorities from its Headquarters and the PAHO Country Office in Argentina to investigate and characterize the outbreak.

The PAHO and World Health Organization Representative in Argentina, Eva Jane Llopis, accompanied Argentina’s Minister of Health Carla Vizzotti to a site visit today.

In agreement with the national and provincial authorities, PAHO will also send a multidisciplinary team of experts next week to support surveillance, infection control measures within hospital care, and the identification of the origin of the outbreak at the hospital infrastructure level.
 
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Heliobas Disciple

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I posted a few wrong posts here (I thought I was on the COVID thread). I am going to see if I can fill in with Argentinian news so we don't have 4 blank posts;)

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Legionnaires' disease claims fifth life in Tucumán
Legionnaires' disease has claimed a fifth life among patients and staff at a clinic in the northern province of Tucumán, provincial health officials announced Sunday.

Today 16:48

Legionnaires' disease has claimed a fifth life among patients and staff at a clinic in the northern province of Tucumán, provincial health officials announced Sunday.

Tucumán's Health Ministry had announced four earlier deaths on Saturday, all at the clinic in San Miguel de Tucumán, and said a total of 11 people had been infected by the rare, but severe, lung disease.

The latest death was that of a 64-year-old man with co-morbidities, officials said.

Of the six others infected, three remain in hospital and the others are being monitored at home, said Luis Medina Cruz, the Tucumán health minister.

Local officials said they are examining the clinic's water supply and air-conditioning system.

The disease, which first appeared at a 1976 convention of the American Legion veterans group in the United States, has been linked to contaminated water and unclean aeration systems. Symptoms include high fever, aches and trouble breathing.

The prestigious ANLIS-Malbrán reseach laboratory identified the disease as Legionnaires' after ruling out Covid-19, flu and hantavirus.
 
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Some skeptics on twitter:




Farid Jalali MD @farid__jalali
22h

The “healthy” healthcare workers are either massively immunosuppressed from you know what or their medical team has brain damage or it’s not legionella.

But Wall St obviously needs a comfy headline or Monday stocks will crash like March 2020.



Farid Jalali MD @farid__jalali
18h

Being worried about your stock values in your retirement account is not a good excuse to troll anyone asking questions about an outbreak that we have no solid answers on yet!

Get over yourself. This is beyond your damn retirement account. And Twitter is not your office hours.




Farid Jalali MD @farid__jalali
2h

Most humans that roll into a doctor’s office these days are put on Azithromycin for any suspicion of pneumonia. Even happens aimlessly for COVID

Most ER patients get Levofloxacin or Azithromycin for community acquired pneumonia

Both cover for Legionella (except for rare cases)




Farid Jalali MD @farid__jalali
2h

In light of this, I’m not sure why it’s being alleged that somehow raising questions is “fear-mongering” when we’ve had 4 deaths — some in healthy young — in Argentina despite well-established empiric antibiotics that cover for Legionella

We are allowed to ask questions ??





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Naila T Rahman @nailatrahman
1h

Even if it's legionella outbreak, it's resurgence of yet another previously controlled infectious disease in a population massively immuno-compromised by you know what. There was 100 yrs between 1918 influenza & 2020 SARS-Cov2 pandemic. Took <2yrs for a new MPX pandemic to emerge



JV @JV2O21
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Replying to @farid__jalali

"CDC data indicates “Legionnaires’ disease is deadly for about 10% of people who get it.” (What Is the Legionnaires Disease Death Rate | HC Info). I understand that 4 dead/11 infected is more than 10% but wouldn't it be safe to assume more than 11 were actually infected and only hospitalized were counted?
 
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'It could've been so much worse' | Wauseon football player's career abruptly ends
Kaden Clymer, a junior lineman, had six feet of blood clots removed from his legs just days before the season kicked off.

Tyler Seggerman
1:13 PM EDT September 3, 2022 | Updated: 6:26 PM EDT September 3, 2022

WAUSEON, Ohio — It's difficult to match the level of excitement for high school football players when their season is about to start. Yet, imagine all that build come crashing down on you.

Unfortunately, that turned out to be the reality one Wauseon junior had to tackle.

There was never a doubt, Kaden Clymer would have impact on the field. Yet, to do so without pads on came without warning.

"It started on August 1st," Kaden's mother Maurine Clymer said. "His dad took him to the emergency room after he was having severe pain in his back and legs."

Teammate Tyson Rodriguez added "I was a bit confused because I didn't really know what was happening. He just told me that he wasn't feeling good."

The night before the Wauseon Indians took to the field for their first Fall team practice, Clymer unexpectedly had to be taken to Toledo Children's Hospital.

"His calves were swelled up four inches larger, in circumference, than they are now," Maurine Clymer said. "So, he was very uncomfortable."

Kaden Clymer added "I just wanted to go home honestly. I didn't really care what they did to me, I just wanted to go home."

Full of pain and uncertainty, Clymer received word that he had blood clots in his legs.

"I was really sad. I was crying and upset because I've played football my whole life and I just wanted to play with my friends," the junior lineman said.

Six feet of blood clots were removed and because of the blood thinners he now has to take, Clymer's football career is over.

"Was just getting ready to start practice, we were really looking forward to seeing him on Friday nights," his mother said.

Following nine days in the hospital, Clymer returned to the team despite barely being able to walk.

"I'm really happy to be able to spend time with my friends," Kaden said. "It means a lot to me to be able to be back on the field and have fun with them."

Rodriguez added "It was weird not seeing him, but it's good that he's back. He's our guy, so it's nice seeing him here."

A life-changing experience that has proven the toughness of this young man.

"I'm very strong and well-minded because it took a lot of effort to be able to stay in the hospital for nine days straight," Clymer said. "Eat the hospital food and go through all those procedures, it really sucked."

Unfortunately, Clymer's path to recovery is far from over. Not only are doctors still trying to figure out exactly what happened to Kaden, but re-gaining strength into his legs each day comes at a price.

"He gets shots in his stomach every day, twice a day, which is not something fun," Maurine Clymer said. "I don't enjoy giving them to him and I know he doesn't like getting them. Yet, he does it with a smile and we appreciate that. It could've been so much worse."

There is good news to share, Clymer has shown improvement each day and is expected to still play baseball, his favorite sport.

Until then, his role on the team is to continue progressing and inspire.
I would suppose this case will get traction for the accounts of huge blood clots. Most of the stories are folks that have passed away and in the not so attuned, it is just passed off as an oddity in post mortem. This is a young guy here in the states.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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I would suppose this case will get traction for the accounts of huge blood clots. Most of the stories are folks that have passed away and in the not so attuned, it is just passed off as an oddity in post mortem. This is a young guy here in the states.

I moved that post to the COVID thread, where I thought I was when I posted. Brain fog this afternoon ;)

Very sad case. Of course they don't say whether or not he's vaxxed but I would assume so (which is why I (meant to) post it on the covid thread).

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TammyinWI

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I would not put it past them to spray it out in the chemtrails. Wondering if that is how covid was really introduced here.
 
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