POL Moore accuser says she added notes below Moore's yearbook signature

[BornFree]

Nelson and Allred are going to be giving a press conference sometime this afternoon. (per local radio)

I read that too. And Allred is going to be presenting an "Expert" document examiner to verify the Fake signature is real.

 

[Be Well]

Unfortunately (or fortunately) if one victim/accuser lies - it throws all the other victims in a state of suspicion.

They appear as 'copy cats', at least to me.

The plan to take Moore out was solely based on the volume of accusers, since the plan makers knew that the story of each single "accuser" was full of holes since they were all lies. So they got many women to make accusations all at once so foolish idiots would think "Well, they can't ALL be liars" and I've seen comments like that a lot. As if, "ten women can't lie"!!

 

[packyderms_wife]

Oh yes you do. If I told you who it was, youd remember instantly.

A member PM'd me, I remember the member who got canned but don't remember the specifics of what happened... it's CRS, half the time I don't remember why I walked into the kitchen.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Unfortunately (or fortunately) if one victim/accuser lies - it throws all the other victims in a state of suspicion.

They appear as 'copy cats', at least to me.

This is the point I was trying to make earlier. They feel left out because the real victims are getting attention and in some cases sympathy or empathy. I wouldn't put it past them to intentionally put themselves in situations where they would actually be raped. As I said earlier those type of women are seriously mentally ill and need to be locked up in the looney bin.

 

[TerryK]

Fox just reported that the entry and the signature is NOT what that the woman added. They are saying that the woman added the date and the location below and that is the part that is in a different handwriting style.
She is claiming she wrote the "12-22-77" and "Olde Hickory House" that is below Moore's signature.

Allred having her paid handwriting expert doesn't cut it. A neutral handwriting expert agreed to by both parties would settle it for most people. This whole thing could be brought to a close by having a gov handwriting specialist look at it, but after the recent goings on in the FBI, I wouldn't trust them either.

 

[Buick Electra]

By the sheer volume and evidence of what the Left is doing to Trump or any politician that clams Conservatism, (including a *nasty* article written in WaPo? today - heard it on Rush - about the damage Trump has and will do to the R party - which they were practically the D party before Trump came along), it all just tells me that with all Trump has been able to accomplish, DESPITE the 'Resist Party' bucking him every step of the way, i.e. LOWEST Hispanic unemployment numbers EVER; manufacturing jobs picking back up; tons of regulations shredded (Oh Yea....some town is suing Trump because their smog has lingered longer than previously); the stock markert; conservative judges, etc. THAT THEY ARE FIT TO BE TIED!

Everything they have thrown at Trump has not worked - as evidence of not only his supporters not leaving his side, but gaining even more supporters in the process!

So the more they attack Trump, conservatives and/or his supporters, the more I'm convinced we're ...................................................................................

WINNING!!

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Well, well, well, Ms. Beverly Young Nelson, you made up a big chunk of your story? Imagine that! Sorry sweetie but you were suspect when you threw in with that paragon of legal virtue, Gloria Allred. Now you have lost all credibility in my eyes. But I don't count in Alabama. Hopefully most of the voters there can see through this smear. JMHO but you and all the accusers better hope and pray that Moore wins. Because if he loses, he will have a great deal of time on his hands and the legal experience to go after each and every one of you that are lying. You will be forced to put up or shut up and I don't think it will go well for ya. Karma...it's a bitch.

The radio said today that requests for absentee ballots have been thru the roof and that this election could have one of the highest number of votes cast in AL for years (ever?). <<Gonna be lots of fake Dem votes among those absentee ballots.

ETA: it was expected to be an extremely low turnout so we will have to wait until Tuesday to see how it turns out.

 

[Dredge]

Fox just reported that the entry and the signature is NOT what that the woman added. They are saying that the woman added the date and the location below and that is the part that is in a different handwriting style.
She is claiming she wrote the "12-22-77" and "Olde Hickory House" that is below Moore's signature.

Allred having her paid handwriting expert doesn't cut it. A neutral handwriting expert agreed to by both parties would settle it for most people. This whole thing could be brought to a close by having a gov handwriting specialist look at it, but after the recent goings on in the FBI, I wouldn't trust them either.

The Roy and Moore are in different colored ink same The Moore ink is the same color as the Old Hichory House and the date . Making it look like someone nameed Roy signed her year book and she added the Moore , the place , and the date .

 

[packyderms_wife]

The Roy and Moore are in different colored ink same The Moore ink is the same color as the Old Hichory House and the date . Making it look like someone nameed Roy signed her year book and she added the Moore , the place , and the date .

That's what it looks like to me as well. The o in Roy looks different than the o's in Moore. The 'o' in Love is also different than the ones in Roy and Moore.

 

[Seeker]

The Roy and Moore are in different colored ink same The Moore ink is the same color as the Old Hichory House and the date . Making it look like someone nameed Roy signed her year book and she added the Moore , the place , and the date .

That is exactly what she added. I can't find the source now but I read - somewhere on the net - today, that the original inscription was a high-schoolish attempt at poetry by someone named Ray and that there was a Ray in her school at that time. Read it like this and it makes sense:

To a sweeter more beautiful girl
I could not say
"Merry Christmas", Christmas 1977, Love, Ray

 

[packyderms_wife]

That is exactly what she added. I can't find the source now but I read - somewhere on the net - today, that the original inscription was a high-schoolish attempt at poetry by someone named Ray and that there was a Ray in her school at that time. Read it like this and it makes sense:

To a sweeter more beautiful girl
I could not say
Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, Love, Ray

Some one needs to find Ray then, and ask him if this is his poem.

 

[Doomer Doug]

Like I predicted, Franken's "resignation" was a trigger to go after both Moore and Trump.

Here is a link to "my" US Senator, the Marxist moron Jeff Merkley calling for Trump's resignation due to sex crimes.

http://katu.com/news/local/sen-merkley-says-trump-should-resign-due-to-sexual-assault-accusations

Sen. Merkley says Trump should resign due to sexual assault accusations

by KATU News

Friday, December 8th 2017

SALEM, Ore. – Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley is taking to social media saying President Donald Trump should resign and Roy Moore should drop out of the Alabama Senate race due to the numerus sexual assault accusations against them.

Thursday, Merkley posted on Facebook and Twitter saying, “Enough is enough. Roy Moore should drop out of the Alabama Senate race right now. Donald Trump should also resign with his track record of horrific conduct towards more than 17 women.”

The posts came the same day Sen. Al Franken announced he’ll be resigning from his position on the U.S. Senate in the coming weeks.

Numerous women have accused Franken of sexual misconduct.

Before he made the announcement Thursday, several of his fellow Democratic senators, including Merkley, said they felt Franken should quit.

The posts came the same day Sen. Al Franken announced he’ll be resigning from his position on the U.S. Senate in the coming weeks.

Numerous women have accused Franken of sexual misconduct.

Before he made the announcement Thursday, several of his fellow Democratic senators, including Merkley, said they felt Franken should quit.

 

[Faroe]

That's what it looks like to me as well. The o in Roy looks different than the o's in Moore. The 'o' in Love is also different than the ones in Roy and Moore.

In the video I saw where she shows the year book, and reads the message, she says, "Ray," and Gloria softly corrects her.

The accuser's new version of this tale still doesn't address the "DA" part, which was not Moore's title at the time. I don't think his long term secretary was in the habit of initialling his year book missives!

 

[summerthyme]

Fox just reported that the entry and the signature is NOT what that the woman added. They are saying that the woman added the date and the location below and that is the part that is in a different handwriting style.
She is claiming she wrote the "12-22-77" and "Olde Hickory House" that is below Moore's signature.

Allred having her paid handwriting expert doesn't cut it. A neutral handwriting expert agreed to by both parties would settle it for most people. This whole thing could be brought to a close by having a gov handwriting specialist look at it, but after the recent goings on in the FBI, I wouldn't trust them either.

I notice they are now showing the page in black and white, so you can't see the different color inks! What a put up job and complete scam!

Summerthyme

 

[packyderms_wife]

In the video I saw where she shows the year book, and reads the message, she says, "Ray," and Gloria softly corrects her.

The accuser's new version of this tale still doesn't address the "DA" part, which was not Moore's title at the time. I don't think his long term secretary was in the habit of initialling his year book missives!

I notice they are now showing the page in black and white, so you can't see the different color inks! What a put up job and complete scam!

Summerthyme

Man this story is getting weirder and weirder all of the time... hopefully it totally disintegrates over the weekend. Would LOVE to see Moore win, just to spite the swamp creatures.

 

[TerryK]

I notice they are now showing the page in black and white, so you can't see the different color inks! What a put up job and complete scam!

Summerthyme

Actually that's an old picture and it's not in black and white.
There are at least 6 or 7 pics out there. They are mostly all color. In fact you can see her red fingernails in most of the pictures. The yearbook pages with large graphics back then were mostly shades of gray. It was cheaper to do it that way back then.
The one that came from Gawker was color retouched.
If Allred wants to be taken seriously she needs to submit the yearbook to a neutral handwriting expert. The one she hired kind of loses credibility.
Now she is saying she will submit it to the Senate Handwriting expert for analysis. Who knew the Senate had a handwriting expert...
The other possibility is that the dems are waiting for the election and once More is declared a senator, then they will takeit to the Senate.
Again this could all be cleared up if the yearbook was given to a neutral respected handwriting analyst..Her declining to do this now either indicates she knows the entry is a forgery or they are waiting until after the election.
Dredge's explanation is actually the one that makes the most sense, and a good handwriting expert could detect this pretty quickly.

 

[Dennis Olson]

The capital letters in the signature’s first and last name have different stroke angles. Nearly everyone’s first and last initials have identical stroke angles when they sign. Check it out yourself on your own signature.

 

[packyderms_wife]

The capital letters in the signature’s first and last name have different stroke angles. Nearly everyone’s first and last initials have identical stroke angles when they sign. Check it out yourself on your own signature.

The "M's" in Merry Christmas and Moore area also different.

 

[Faroe]

Man this story is getting weirder and weirder all of the time... hopefully it totally disintegrates over the weekend. Would LOVE to see Moore win, just to spite the swamp creatures.

The sad thing is that it completely disintegrated weeks ago. I really DON'T understand why Allred is trying to resuscitate this thing. The blue inks (clearly shown), comments on the feminine modern lettering, the "DA" part which matches the initials of the secretary (but not his title), the video where she reads "Ray" are all discussed in earlier thread(s) from why back when the accuser first trotted this mess out.

It is ENTIRELY bullshit!

 

[thompson]

The sad thing is that it completely disintegrated weeks ago. I really DON'T understand why Allred is trying to resuscitate this thing. The blue inks (clearly shown), comments on the feminine modern lettering, the "DA" part which matches the initials of the secretary (but not his title), the video where she reads "Ray" are all discussed in earlier thread(s) from why back when the accuser first trotted this mess out.

It is ENTIRELY bullshit!

^ That's the name (and entirety) of their game! Wear 'em down by bullshittin' 'em to death.

 

[Dennis Olson]

The sad thing is that it completely disintegrated weeks ago. I really DON'T understand why Allred is trying to resuscitate this thing. The blue inks (clearly shown), comments on the feminine modern lettering, the "DA" part which matches the initials of the secretary (but not his title), the video where she reads "Ray" are all discussed in earlier thread(s) from why back when the accuser first trotted this mess out.

It is ENTIRELY bullshit!

Because she’s being well paid by Soros.

 

[BornFree]

The radio said today that requests for absentee ballots have been thru the roof and that this election could have one of the highest number of votes cast in AL for years (ever?). <<Gonna be lots of fake Dem votes among those absentee ballots.

ETA: it was expected to be an extremely low turnout so we will have to wait until Tuesday to see how it turns out.

Of corse they are. They are the number one method of cheating in an election. Did you see the press conference today where a stack of ballots where found pre-marked for Jones:

And the Democrat vote fraud super-pacs are out in full force trying to throw the election.

 

[Buick Electra]

The radio said today that requests for absentee ballots have been thru the roof and that this election could have one of the highest number of votes cast in AL for years (ever?). <<Gonna be lots of fake Dem votes among those absentee ballots.

ETA: it was expected to be an extremely low turnout so we will have to wait until Tuesday to see how it turns out.

Yup. The D's are going to TRIPLE UP on their dastardly dirty deeds! I hope they go through those mail-in ballots with a fine tooth comb, even if it takes a week to get the results!

 

[Aly]

I just don't see what's the big deal about the yearbook. Do "celebrities" mean what they write in autographs, in general? Why should he be any different? And especially if he barely knew her.

As to whether or not he knew her back then, do you remember everyone you knew 40 years ago? I sure don't.

 

[Thinwater]

The demoncrats HAVE to get this seat to add one toward getting a majority so they can vote to impeach Trump. If they are a little short I am sure the Traitor McCain will side with them. He still needs to seal his deal with Satan before going to live with him.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Yup. The D's are going to TRIPLE UP on their dastardly dirty deeds! I hope they go through those mail-in ballots with a fine tooth comb, even if it takes a week to get the results!

Between the thousands of felons that were registered by the Dems/Soros (legally) and the numerous anti-Moore Repubs (there are more than you think), it will definitely be a close race.

ETA: on the anti-Moore Repubs side....some said they just won't vote, some said they will vote Dem and some will go ahead and vote for Moore. I just don't know how many there are and if it will totally tip the scales in favor of the Dems. I am afraid it might.

 

[Nowski]

Between the thousands of felons that were registered by the Dems/Soros (legally) and the numerous anti-Moore Repubs (there are more than you think), it will definitely be a close race.

ETA: on the anti-Moore Repubs side....some said they just won't vote, some said they will vote Dem and some will go ahead and vote for Moore. I just don't know how many there are and if it will totally tip the scales in favor of the Dems. I am afraid it might.

The amount of election fraud, in the chocolate city of Birmingham,
will be the determining factour in the election.

Remember, the Hildabeast is not POTUS, because the FUSA Africans
did not turn out in the numbers needed, because they wanted
Obama for a third term, which thanks to the 22nd amendment,
the POS bluegum became a part of FUSA history.

The FUSA Africans, viewed the Hildabeast as not representing
them as a people, so they stayed to the house.

The very backbone of the damocrat party,
now rests with the FUSA Africans.
If the FUSA Africans do not turn out to vote,
then Judge Moore gains the senate seat.
However, if the FUSA Africans do turn out to vote,
and with the added voter fraud, it could be a
very tight race, that could go to Jones.

Also currently, the force is with the damocrats,
due to their recent election wins.
The outcome of this election, I believe will be a bellwether
for the 2018 midterms.

Please be safe everyone, and please arm up.

Regards to all deplorables.
Nowski

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Birmingham isn't a big enough city to sway the Alabama election. If that were the case, Alabama would have been Dem controlled all of these last few decades.

 

[Nowski]

Birmingham isn't a big enough city to sway the Alabama election. If that were the case, Alabama would have been Dem controlled all of these last few decades.

Lilbitsnana,

I am glad to hear. As a very pessimistic doomer,
generally I see nothing but bad, in absolutely everything.

For months now, I have seen in many nightmares,
the damocrats winning in Alabama, and then regaining
at least the US Senate, during the 2018 midterms.

It will be a great night for us all, should Judge Moore
gain the senate seat from Alabama.

Please be safe everyone, and please arm up.

Regards to all deplorables.
Nowski

 

[TheSearcher]

I just don't see what's the big deal about the yearbook. Do "celebrities" mean what they write in autographs, in general? Why should he be any different? And especially if he barely knew her.

As to whether or not he knew her back then, do you remember everyone you knew 40 years ago? I sure don't.

So... Are you saying that you think the autograph claimant is telling the truth? You should read more and work on your logic skills.

As for what's the big deal, well, imagine if someone perpetrated a serious lie on you like we're witnessing against Roy Moore. It's a big deal just for him personally, but for those who want to see him elected, these accusations are meant to rob the election from them. Frankly, I doubt that you don't REALLY not understand this...

 

[Lilbitsnana]

The Dems very well might win, but it won't be because of the black vote, even if every black person votes. It will strictly be because of the white, never-Moore Repubs.

 

[naturallysweet]

Moore's opponent put out ads asking of anyone would be OK with a 30 year old black man dating teen girls. This has pissed off a lot of black people.

 

[fish hook]

The woman in question needs to be evaluated for mental illness.

NO! exposed as a demoncrat operative.

 

[Dozdoats]

BF,

Thanks for posting that press conference video. I about choked on my biscuit there at the end - "You're the old media..." - that was SO funny.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Between the thousands of felons that were registered by the Dems/Soros (legally) and the numerous anti-Moore Repubs (there are more than you think), it will definitely be a close race.

ETA: on the anti-Moore Repubs side....some said they just won't vote, some said they will vote Dem and some will go ahead and vote for Moore. I just don't know how many there are and if it will totally tip the scales in favor of the Dems. I am afraid it might.

I forgot to include the write-in vote from never-Moore Repubs. I think that is going to be a huge (biggest?) factor and is going to hurt a lot.

 

[Milk-maid]

The Roy and Moore are in different colored ink same The Moore ink is the same color as the Old Hichory House and the date . Making it look like someone nameed Roy signed her year book and she added the Moore , the place , and the date .

The 'M' in Merry Christmas and the 'M' in Moore are way different.

 

[Jonas Parker]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ia-allred-presented-notes-roy-moores-writing/

Forgery 101: Beverly Young Nelson and Gloria Allred Both Presented ‘Notes’ as Roy Moore’s Own Writing
by JOEL B. POLLAK8 Dec 2017

So-called “fact-checking” websites have objected to Breitbart News’ use of the term “forgery” to describe the yearbook that Roy Moore accuser Beverly Young Nelson and her lawyer, Gloria Allred, have used in attempting to corroborate Nelson’s allegation that Moore sexually assaulted her some 40 years ago.
Politifact labeled the claim “Pants on Fire,” and Facebook has even attached a pop-up warning to a Breitbart article about the alleged forgery.

On Friday, Nelson admitted that she had added “notes” to an inscription that she claimed Moore made in her high school yearbook. She still claims that Moore signed the yearbook, but admitted that some of the writing was hers.

That is textbook forgery.

Black’s Law Dictionary defines “forgery” as follows (original emphasis):

forgery, n. 1. The act of fraudulently making a false document or altering a real one to be used as if genuine … 2. A false or altered document made to look genuine by someone with the intent to deceive … 3. Under the Model Penal Code, the act of fraudulently altering, authenticating, issuing, or transferring a writing without appropriate authorization.

Note that forgery includes altering a real document. It does not matter if part of the document — say, the signature — is real. If any part of the document is altered and presented as original and authentic, it is a forgery and the entire document is legally useless — or worse than useless, since it impeaches the credibility of the person presenting it.

Originally, both Nelson and Moore claimed that the entire writing was Moore’s. At the press conference on Nov.13 where Nelson presented her story, both she and Allred read the inscription in the yearbook in full and stated clearly that Roy Moore was responsible for all of it.

Here is Nelson reading the inscription (11:38 to 12:08): “He wrote in my yearbook, as follows: ‘To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say ‘Merry Christmas.’ Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore, Old Hickory House.”‘ And he signed it, ‘Roy Moore D.A.'”

Reckon
✔
@reckonalabama
Allred says that Nelson never said that Moore wrote the date and location.

rmcmanus
@andjustice4all3

November 13, 2017 Press Conference. Skip ahead to 11:30. According to Beverly Nelson, Roy Moore signed it & included restaurant name + date. @GloriaAllred @jeff_poor #ALSEN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJSleTMtf4 …
2:12 PM - Dec 8, 2017
YouTube ‎@YouTube

And here is Allred doing the same: “Mr. Moore’s signature appears because he signed her yearbook, and we have provided you with copies [inaudible]. Oh, here it is. OK, this is what we gave you as a copy, wherein he says he signed it to her — well, he didn’t give her name, but he said: ‘To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say “Merry Christmas.” Christmas 1977.’ — hold the other end, please, thank you — ‘Love, Roy Moore’ — oh, excuse me — ‘Love, Roy Moore, D.A.,12-22-77, Old Hickory House.'”

Charlie Spiering
✔
@charliespiering
When Gloria Allred read out Roy Moore's yearbook inscription without revealing that it was altered
12:21 PM - Dec 8, 2017

Politifact suggests that Breitbart News claimed Roy Moore’s signature is false. We did not — though there are some online sleuths who do, or who claim that the “Roy” is real but the “Moore” was added later, in different ink. That is all irrelevant, however. If even part of the document was altered, it is a forgery.

The yearbook was presented not just to show that Roy Moore knew Nelson, but to establish the time and place where he allegedly assaulted her. We now know that at least some of that information was not written by Moore, as Nelson and Allred originally claimed.

Not only did Nelson and Allred claim, falsely, that Moore wrote the entire inscription, but they refused to offer it to a neutral and independent expert for analysis. And they waited more than three weeks to admit that the inscription had been altered. That is forgery, and to the extent it casts doubt on Nelson’s story, that is her, and Allred’s, fault.

 

[Aly]

Searcher, I guess I didn't make my thoughts clear. For the record, I used to live in Alabama and hope Moore wins the election.

I was simply saying that, in my opinion, the yearbook entry doesn't support her claims in any way. Just because he may have known her 40 years ago certainly doesn't mean he did what she says!

I agree the media are doing him a grave injustice by trying to ruin his reputation with this constant barrage of lies and repetition.

I hope this states my position more clearly. My Kindle Fire hasn't figured out how to copy blocks of text yet!

 

[vessie]

I heard on the radio that they were going to also do a chemical analysis on the ink used to see how old it was, and if it was from some new formula we use now.

Something like that. V

 

[Be Well]

Honorable Roy Moore‏ @RoyMooreSenate
21h21 hours ago

I am officially announcing this afternoon I filed lawsuits against each of my false accusers for libel and or slander. And I will not settle, see you in court. #RoyMoore #Alabama #Senate #Election #RoyMooreSenate #MAGA #FakeNews