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lonestar09

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Mississippi House votes to change design of state flag

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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 / 12:21 PM PDT / Updated: Jun 27, 2020 / 02:37 PM PDT



A Mississippi state flag flies outside the Capitol in Jackson, Miss., Thursday, June 25, 2020. Athletic coaches and their staffs from the state’s public universities held a joint news conference and called for a change in the Mississippi state flag. Additionally several head coaches met with both the lieutenant governor and Speaker Philip Gunn, as well as their lawmakers, to lobby for the change. The current flag has in the canton portion of the banner the design of the Civil War-era Confederate battle flag, that has been the center of a long-simmering debate about its removal or replacement. (AP Photo/Rogelio V. Solis)








JACKSON, Miss. (WJTV)- The Mississippi House of Representatives voted Saturday afternoon to remove the Confederate battle emblem from the state flag.

According to the resolution created by the Rules Committee, a commission will be formed to establish a flag that does not include the Confederate emblem.

The commission is responsible for developing new designs ideas. One replacement design that will be included on the ballot is the phrase “In God We Trust.”

Mississippi voters will have the choice to accept or decline the new state flag in November 2020.
The House passed the flag bill in a two-thirds majority with 85 yeas and 34 nays to advance the bill.

The bill will now move to the State Senate. In order to pass it must receive two-thirds of approval.
BREAKING: House passes the new Flag bill gaining the 2/3 majority to suspend and advance the bill. 85 YEAS and 34 NAYS @WJTV pic.twitter.com/CMBXBWx121
— Gerald Harris (@GeraldHarrisTV) June 27, 2020
UPDATE: The count was 85-yes vs. 34 -no. Now it must pass the state senate with 2/3 approval. FULL STORY TONIGHT ON @WJTV.
— Alex Love (@AlexLoveWJTV) June 27, 2020
 

CaryC

Veteran Member
I'm in Mississippi. You'd better bet that I'll vote to keep the flag!

Best
Doc
You're not going to get a chance. The politicians took it out of the hands of the people and did it themselves. They caved to outside influences, all the while telling people that we are getting tons of emails, and calls not to give in to outside influences, it's time for a change. Representatives (spit) who are they representing? Not the ones that elected them. They figure if they put it in a referendum the people would keep it, and we would.

I'm going to take a look at the Clarion Ledger, last night I thought I read that the Senate passed it. Notice during the article it's all about Our precious Legislator's (spit) coming up with a new flag. Which BTW will have "IN God We Trust" on it, which they don't, and is only meant to placate the masses who support our "old" flag.

BTW the "New" flag won't even have time to be made before an atheist files a law suit to stop it.

And it's a good thing the "old" is coming down. The Rebel Battle flag imbedded in it showed the world that the state of Mississippi would not bend to outside aggression. Not during the Civil War, not during the lead up to the 2001 referendum, but it has now, and needs to be taken down. The new flag which won't have any outside aggression against it would be a black flag with the white letters BLM on it. All done for the sake of football.

I don't trust them with anything anymore.

Historic day in Mississippi: The key moments that paved the way for state flag to change
The Clarion Ledger documented Saturday's historic sequence in real time as the Mississippi House and Senate surpassed the two-thirds threshold needed to suspend its rules and introduce a bill to change the state flag.
Here's how it unfolded.

1:05 p.m.
After weeks of mounting pressure, Mississippi lawmakers took the first step Saturday afternoon to change the state flag.
The flag, which contains the Confederate battle emblem, was adopted by the Legislature in 1894, nearly three decades after the end of the Civil War.

The House Rules Committee passed a measure at a meeting shortly after lunch that addressed the flag. It intended to suspend legislative rules in order to consider a bill to remove the current flag — and lay out a plan to approve Mississippi's next flag.

The House plan called for immediately removing the current flag. Then, lawmakers propose forming a nine-member commission that would choose an ideal flag design. It would be required to include the words "In God We Trust," according to the legislation, House Resolution 79.

That commission-approved design would then go before Mississippi voters in November. If voters approve it, that design becomes the state's next flag. If it doesn't, the design goes back to the commission for reconsideration.

The Legislature previously has resisted calls to change the state flag, which have come from business leaders, education officials, college sports coaches, and some statewide politicians.

On Wednesday night, Gov. Tate Reeves issued a statement that indicated he would not veto a bill if the Legislature voted to change the flag. On Thursday morning, former Gov. Phil Bryant indicated he supported changing the state flag, tweeting out a picture of an alternative flag featuring the state seal.
1:45 p.m.
The Mississippi House surpassed the two-thirds threshold needed to suspend its rules and introduce a bill to take down the state flag. They voted 84-35 for a resolution, sending it to the Senate.

All 44 Democrats voted in favor of the resolution. Republicans supported the resolution, 40-35.
Speaker Pro Tem Jason White, R-West, spoke on the House floor in favor of the bill.

“Many opponents of changing the state flag say we should stand up to what is right, that we shouldn’t cave to outside pressure … even if it’s bad for business," White said. "I agree with those people... I’m here today because it is simply the right thing to do.”

History is “not something that we just inherit,” White said, and lawmakers need to do the right thing today by making — not erasing — history.

Rep. Chris Brown, R-Nettleton, spoke against the resolution. He said is not advocating for the current flag, but wants Mississippians to vote on it.

“If we put the current flag on the ballot with another good design, the people of Mississippi will change it," Brown said. "I believe that. Let’s not steal their joy.”

3:20 p.m.
The Senate Rules Committee unanimously passed a resolution that allowed lawmakers to vote on the state flag. The resolution then headed to the Senate floor, where it needed the support of two-thirds of the Senate to pass. The House had already passed the resolution.


4:10 p.m.
The Senate debated a pivotal resolution that would allow lawmakers to vote on the state flag.

Sen. Briggs Hopson, R-Vicksburg, spoke in favor of the resolution, telling his fellow lawmakers that taking down the flag is inevitable. It doesn't represent Mississippians, Hopson said, and it's causing the state to lose economic opportunities.
“This flag is beloved by some, reviled by many," he said. "...I'm ready to rip the Band-Aid off."

Sen. Chris McDaniel, R-Ellisville, linked the Mississippi state flag to the American flag, saying some view the American flag as a symbol of oppression. He warned that one day people will want to take down the American flag.

McDaniel said all he wants is for the people of Mississippi to decide the issues themselves, via referendum.
“I don’t see how that makes me a racist," McDaniel said. "I don’t see how that makes me a terrible human being.”
Sen. Hillman Frazier, D-Jackson, urged senators to vote their convictions.

"Pray first, aim high and stay focused," Frazier said repeatedly.

Gov. Reeves:'If it changes it should be by a vote of the people'

Changing the state flag:What elected officials in Mississippi and state leaders have said

4:40 p.m.

The Mississippi Senate passed a resolution that would allow lawmakers to change the state flag.
Lawmakers voted 36-14 meaning the resolution surpassed the necessary two-thirds majority. This clearly paves the way for the flag to come down in Mississippi.

Lawmakers in both the House and Senate are now expected to pass a bill that removes the current flag and establishes a path forward to getting new one. Gov. Tate Reeves has already said he would sign whatever flag bill the Legislature decides on.

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CaryC

Veteran Member
OK there has been an update since last night:

Lawmakers face more work Sunday to make state flag change a reality


State lawmakers will return to the Capitol Sunday to consider a bill that would set the process for changing the state flag.
Posted: Jun 28, 2020 7:50 AM
Updated: Jun 28, 2020 7:57 AM

JACKSON, Miss. (WTVA) — There was jubilation in the Mississippi State Capitol on Saturday when legislators got the two-thirds in the House and in the Senate to suspend the rules and move closer toward getting the Confederate emblem off the state flag.
But they still have more work to do this weekend to actually change the banner.

State lawmakers will return to the Capitol Sunday to consider a bill that would set the process for changing the state flag.
The process would be the creation of a commission to design a new flag that cannot include the Confederate emblem but must include the motto "In God We Trust."
The commission would be required to have the proposed flag ready by mid-September so voters in November could approve or reject it.
If it is rejected, the commission would try again.
Approving the bill would only require a simple majority rather than the higher threshold needed to suspend the rules.
Amendments could be approved that would alter what is proposed now.
Governor Tate Reeves said he will sign the flag bill.

read://https_www.wtva.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wtva.com%2Fcontent%2Fnews%2FLawmakers-face-more-work-to-make-state-flag-change-a-reality-571527041.html

Notice no vote on keeping the old flag.

I'm voting against every flag they offer.
 

waterdog

Contributing Member
The best 3 yrs of my life was when I lived in Mississippi. Loved the people the culture even the weather (4 seasons). I had to leave for health reasons but Ms. and its people will always have my love and respect. I still love its flag and always will.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Buy what you can from the market of now "obsolete" flags. I expect the demand before was not large and now it will be larger. Expect "out of state" providers to continue to provide - at a price. (Law of Supply & Demand.)

Dobbin
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
So what of places I REALLY liked in Mississippi - Like Vicksburg? I mean HALF that memorial is dedicated to the Confederacy!

I have told of the story of Owner and I "walking" (it was dusk and beyond) of the seven mile loop, and seeing all the other humans who apparently take the coolness of the day to get in their exercise.

Owner as a "Yankee" was surprised by the "evenness" of presentation of the Memorial. And the stories told on the plaques. He went away with a different perspective I think, and respect for BOTH sides. I could read then and I know I did.

But what will the Marxists do - hard to erase a national treasure - and a national park?

Dobbin
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
Buy what you can from the market of now "obsolete" flags. I expect the demand before was not large and now it will be larger. Expect "out of state" providers to continue to provide - at a price. (Law of Supply & Demand.)

Dobbin
You might be surprised at the number of CBF's still being sold here in certain "Good Ole Boys" stores. There are 2 stores that we frequent on a regular basis that still sells them. That's just in our area of MS.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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You might be surprised at the number of CBF's still being sold here in certain "Good Ole Boys" stores. There are 2 stores that we frequent on a regular basis that still sells them. That's just in our area of MS.
I predict a surge in sales.

Next on the list, target businesses that manufacture them.
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
So what of places I REALLY liked in Mississippi - Like Vicksburg? I mean HALF that memorial is dedicated to the Confederacy!

I have told of the story of Owner and I "walking" (it was dusk and beyond) of the seven mile loop, and seeing all the other humans who apparently take the coolness of the day to get in their exercise.

Owner as a "Yankee" was surprised by the "evenness" of presentation of the Memorial. And the stories told on the plaques. He went away with a different perspective I think, and respect for BOTH sides. I could read then and I know I did.

But what will the Marxists do - hard to erase a national treasure - and a national park?

Dobbin
Yes, Vicksburg National Military Park is a treasure to see. It's beautiful, and also pays tribute and honor to all Union soldiers who fought and died there as well. Once inside, there is a sense of awe and solemnness everywhere. We went back last summer.
 

Blue 5

Veteran Member
I've only spent short periods in Mississippi, the longest being the 8 months I spent training at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, but I have many fond memories of my time there. If they didn't have state income taxes I would consider that area for retirement.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Well.

In the War, Vicksburg (Mississippi fell before the Battle of Gettysburg, and before the fall of Atlanta or Richmond, but its fall heralded the beginning of the end of the Confederacy.

How ironic that the last symbol of that fight for freedom is going down before the hordes of Marxism as it conquers our country....
 

ghost

Contributing Member







Mississippi House votes to change design of state flag

National News

Posted: Jun 27, 2020 / 12:21 PM PDT / Updated: Jun 27, 2020 / 02:37 PM PDT



A Mississippi state flag flies outside the Capitol in Jackson, Miss., Thursday, June 25, 2020. Athletic coaches and their staffs from the state’s public universities held a joint news conference and called for a change in the Mississippi state flag. Additionally several head coaches met with both the lieutenant governor and Speaker Philip Gunn, as well as their lawmakers, to lobby for the change. The current flag has in the canton portion of the banner the design of the Civil War-era Confederate battle flag, that has been the center of a long-simmering debate about its removal or replacement. (AP Photo/Rogelio V. Solis)








JACKSON, Miss. (WJTV)- The Mississippi House of Representatives voted Saturday afternoon to remove the Confederate battle emblem from the state flag.

According to the resolution created by the Rules Committee, a commission will be formed to establish a flag that does not include the Confederate emblem.

The commission is responsible for developing new designs ideas. One replacement design that will be included on the ballot is the phrase “In God We Trust.”

Mississippi voters will have the choice to accept or decline the new state flag in November 2020.
The House passed the flag bill in a two-thirds majority with 85 yeas and 34 nays to advance the bill.

The bill will now move to the State Senate. In order to pass it must receive two-thirds of approval.
I was born in VA., it they remove the Confederate Battle Flag an the emblem there on.
They have no back bone for anything else, then they are mice not MEN.
ONLY GOD TELLS ME WHAT AN WHEN TO DO IT.
I WILL BOW ONLY TO GOD ALMIGHTY, PERIOD.
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
I've only spent short periods in Mississippi, the longest being the 8 months I spent training at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, but I have many fond memories of my time there. If they didn't have state income taxes I would consider that area for retirement.
Here in MS, you don't have to pay state income taxes or property/land taxes if you are over the age of 65. No federal taxes, unless you make over a certain amount per year.
 

Nowski

Veteran Member
The Confederate States of America, will eventually be treated like
Nazi Germany is today in Germany.

Once the POS damocraps, regain power in the November 2020 elections,
I expect to see them pass laws that ban, at the federal level,
absolutely everything about the CSA, including the private display
of flags, banners, etc.

Stores that sell CSA related merchandise, will be shutdown,
and the biggest of all, Civil War re-enactments will be banned.

I would not even be surprised, to see cemeteries that contain
the remains of CSA solders, to be dug up, just like in Memphis TN.

My question to the POS White race traitors. What is destroying history that shaped the ZUSA,
going to do, for the 70 IQ basterd in the projects, with his half dozen basterd
brothers and sisters, his welfare sow POS mother, and the POS babies daddies,
in some grey bar hotel lockup?

Answer. Not a damn thing. POS Africans are still at the absolute bottom as far
as intelligence, always have been, always will be, and there ain't a damn thing,
that the race traitor fearful POS Whites, can do about it.

As I stated previously, 2020 is going to go down as one of the absolute worst years,
in all of ZUSA history. Damcraps released COVID-19 to put the ZUSA into a
greater depression, which has been accomplished. They then setup the martyrdom
of Saint George Floyd, and the resulting destruction that is going to tear the ZUSA apart.

No amount of fighting, which is coming, is going to reverse the destruction of the ZUSA.

(6)six months. January 1st, 2020 now seems like an eternity ago, totally different ZUSA.
The POS damocraps waged a very successful war. ZUSA is gone.

Only option for Whites now, is to move to a country, that isn't hostile to the White race.

Please be safe everyone, and get ready as best you can.

Regards to all.

Nowski
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
Ever since the Civil War ended, Mississippi has been treated like Nazi Germany is in Germany today. They've hated us, because we still would not bow, until now. Damn the RINO's in our state. I guess, finally, we'll be accepted into the fold.
 

CaryC

Veteran Member
Well.

In the War, Vicksburg (Mississippi fell before the Battle of Gettysburg, and before the fall of Atlanta or Richmond, but its fall heralded the beginning of the end of the Confederacy.

How ironic that the last symbol of that fight for freedom is going down before the hordes of Marxism as it conquers our country....
Just a few notes for FYI nothing else:

The loss at Gettysburg was July 3, and the loss at Vicksburg was on July 4th (Vicksburg didn't celebrate the 4th of July for several years) both of those coming a day apart really impacted the moral of the South, and as Countrymouse noted started the decline.

Dobbin tell Owner it is now a driving tour of the park, you don't have to walk anymore. You can go to the welcome center and pick up a CD for 20.00 and plug it in to the car stereo, and get the guide, stop anywhere you want and get out, start the tour back up. It's great. IMHO the biggest monument there is the one to those from ILL. It has everyones name on it who fought from ILL.

Also on taxes it's not retirement but age 65 that counts.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
"A few years?" Mississippi didn't "celebrate" the 4th of July, or at least Vicksburg didn't, until the bicentennial.

Even then they tried to cancel it but so many people were going to do their own fireworks that at the last minute a display was thrown together.

I was at my Mom's house in Vicksburg for the Summer at the time...I do recall some nice picnics in Hattiesburg on the 4th so it may have mostly been Vicksburg by that time (1976).

This flag situation has been brewing for years, they don't dare put to a popular vote because they know it might very well lose and the "powers that be" have spoken.

I had expected it to happen over a threatened withdrawal of Federal Funding but under Trump that isn't likely, however, it looks like corporations are now able to accomplish the same thing.

If this happened kind of "naturally" over time, it wouldn't be a big deal; have a contest and submissions for a new flag (maybe with a Magnolia blossom or tree on it) and let the public vote.

What I don't like about it is the forced nature of this, especially forced by "corporate" fiat, that is about more than just retiring a battle flag.

I am "waiting" for "something" to happen in regards to Battle Field Park, I hope I'm wrong on that and that it gets a pass (after all both sides are fully represented as our the graveyards) but it is concerning.
 

CaryC

Veteran Member
"A few years?" Mississippi didn't "celebrate" the 4th of July, or at least Vicksburg didn't, until the bicentennial.

Even then they tried to cancel it but so many people were going to do their own fireworks that at the last minute a display was thrown together.

I was at my Mom's house in Vicksburg for the Summer at the time...I do recall some nice picnics in Hattiesburg on the 4th so it may have mostly been Vicksburg by that time (1976).

This flag situation has been brewing for years, they don't dare put to a popular vote because they know it might very well lose and the "powers that be" have spoken.

I had expected it to happen over a threatened withdrawal of Federal Funding but under Trump that isn't likely, however, it looks like corporations are now able to accomplish the same thing.

If this happened kind of "naturally" over time, it wouldn't be a big deal; have a contest and submissions for a new flag (maybe with a Magnolia blossom or tree on it) and let the public vote.

What I don't like about it is the forced nature of this, especially forced by "corporate" fiat, that is about more than just retiring a battle flag.

I am "waiting" for "something" to happen in regards to Battle Field Park, I hope I'm wrong on that and that it gets a pass (after all both sides are fully represented as our the graveyards) but it is concerning.
Just so you are aware: (and any others)

There was a referendum in 2001 in which the people of the state of MS actually voted to keep their flag, passed by 63%.

May 1 is celebrated by blacks as Memorial Day, they march over the bridge and it's a big deal even now.

Not likely something will happen to Battle Field Park, but you never know. They would have to do something to Shiloh, and Gettysburg.

However: In Nancies bill to rename forts, there is a clause in which they are also to desecrate Confederate graves. Those buried at Battle Field Park are Union. Confederates are buried at Cedar Hill Cemetery.

Wonder what happened to that bill, you know the one Trump said he wouldn't sign if it had that amendment in it - the NDAA.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment

TKO

Contributing Member
We are not allowed to vote to keep the flag. Period.
The People won't have anything to say about it and the conservatives will do NOTHING down there to stop it. You are allowed to vote maybe. Your vote may not count because it will be considered racist. Hard to believe this Confederate flag has come up after 8 years or so again. The Dems never stop. Just rehash of everything.
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
The People won't have anything to say about it and the conservatives will do NOTHING down there to stop it. You are allowed to vote maybe. Your vote may not count because it will be considered racist. Hard to believe this Confederate flag has come up after 8 years or so again. The Dems never stop. Just rehash of everything.
No, the people of Mississippi have no say in it. The "woke" bunch down in Jackson are designing a new flag. This new flag design will be voted on by the people in November. The only choice we will have is to vote to accept the new design, or reject it. If the majority of "we the people" reject the new design, another new design will be created, until they come up with one the majority will accept.
 

TKO

Contributing Member
No, the people of Mississippi have no say in it. The "woke" bunch down in Jackson are designing a new flag. This new flag design will be voted on by the people in November. The only choice we will have is to vote to accept the new design, or reject it. If the majority of "we the people" reject the new design, another new design will be created, until they come up with one the majority will accept.
Let's talk again in November. The flag is gone. It isn't sticking around. I hope it does, though. There's more to that flag than slavery. Even under the US flag, slaves were brought into the nation. These flags stand for a hell of a lot more than slavery.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I knew about the vote to keep the flag, I didn't remember when it was exactly but I knew it had happened; which is why I said they won't dare put it to the public for a vote.

Now my cousin, always the wise guy, just posted this from Biloxi...

 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
I knew about the vote to keep the flag, I didn't remember when it was exactly but I knew it had happened; which is why I said they won't dare put it to the public for a vote.

Now my cousin, always the wise guy, just posted this from Biloxi...

If that's supposed to be funny, I'm not laughing.
 

Nowski

Veteran Member
The ZUSA is going to become the next South Africa, not if, only when.

In 2014, The New Black Panthers made several trips over to South Africa.
The reason for their trips, to find out how to turn the ZUSA into the next South Africa.

Much has been done since those trips, to achieve that goal.
Just look at how much has changed in the ZUSA, since the first of 2020.
ZUSA is not the same country now, and absolutely everything that has occured,
was nothing more than a giant step towards South Africa.

COVID-19, and the martyrdom of Saint George Floyd. There was no way to have been prepared,
for the absolute destruction, that has been waged against the White race in the ZUSA,
in just the first (6)six months of 2020.

Remember, Whites have now lost the ZUSA, and they ain't going to ever have control again.
The POS African race has won the ZUSA, and now have total control.

Even the POS New York City major, wanted to find out how to fix
his royally screwed up city, by looking towards South Africa.

Therefore, looking years into the future, and when the ZUSA is the next South Africa,
it would not be of no surprise, if the great Confederate Battle Flag was replaced
as a part of the current Mississippi flag, with the following flag.

Please be safe everyone. Prepare as best you can. Nothing but hell is in the future
for the ZUSA, especially for the White race.

Regards to all.

Nowski

Flag of South Africa
South Africa Flag.png
 
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