INSANITY Mississippi House votes to change design of state flag
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recently someone stopped at my stand to buy a rebel flag
he proceeded to tell me he had his flag confiscated at the cdn/us border
(no idea which way he was going)
he also received a $400 fine
thats news to me
i just made another order to restock my battle flags
i cant find the battle flag with the corpse walking and the writing
'the south shall rise again"
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Sorry, I think David (my Cousin) thought it was funny, he works in a Casino, was born in Vicksburg and he shops a lot of Dollar General - I think his point beyond trying to get a laugh was also about what a lot of people (not you, me or him) think is most important (and while funny it is also sad).
But I had no intention of being upsetting by sharing it, this whole situation is murky enough.
I'd be fine if the public voted to change the flag or if it had kind of naturally happened over a few years (it nearly did when I lived there in the 1970s) I don't like being forced and this just "smells" like the way the Federal Government years ago forced states to raise their drinking age back to 21 (but not draft age) by cutting off Federal Highway funds if they didn't.
Only this time it is powerful corporations (themselves pushed by groups with an agenda) pushing a State to do something under pain of whatever-exactly we aren't sure but it probably wouldn't be fun (and it probably include lobbying money for politicians).
SouthernBreeze
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LOL. Right now, I have no idea what their design will be. Some have suggested keeping the 3 stripes, but instead of having the CBF in the corner, it will be the words, "In God We Trust". That might work, until some atheist group takes offense to it. Some have suggested replacing it with our state seal. Who knows? I'm sure whatever they come up with will have to pass the approval of BLM and Antifa! AND our state FOOTBALL teams.
Orion Commander
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Hey Doc. I see the flag has a St. Andrews cross with 13 stars. Do the stars represent the 13 colonies becoming thy 13 original States? If so does that mean New England is racist?
lonestar09
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Article is from the Clarion Ledger
Mississippi flag: Gov. Reeves signs bill taking down state flag with ceremony at mansion
Giacomo Bologna
Mississippi Clarion Ledger
Gov. Tate Reeves signed a bill Tuesday evening that mandates the removal of the state flag Mississippi and bans future use of the Confederate emblem.
Mississippi was the only state whose flag contained the Confederate battle flag. Lawmakers adopted it nearly three decades after the Civil War.
"Whether you are proud of this step or angry with us over the process, I want you to know that I love you," Reeves said in a ceremony at the Governor's Mansion. "I am praying for you."
Reeves had long refused to take a position on the flag, which the Legislature adopted in 1894. Nearly two-thirds of voters reaffirmed the flag in a 2001 referendum, and Reeves has repeatedly pointed to this referendum, saying only voters can decide to take the flag down.
He softened the stance a week ago, then announced on Saturday morning that the issue had grown too divisive and that he would sign whatever flag bill lawmakers passed.
Hours after the announcement, the Legislature began the formal process to take down the current flag.
Reeves said during a speech Tuesday that some people might never find common ground on the flag debate and that healing will not take place overnight.
"I know there are people of goodwill who are not happy to see this flag change," Reeves said Tuesday. "They fear a chain reaction of events erasing our history — a history that is no doubt complicated and imperfect. I understand those concerns and am determined to protect Mississippi from that dangerous outcome."
A historic vote:Mississippi lawmakers vote to change state flag; no more Confederate battle flag
That Mississippi changed its flag after 126 years was almost inconceivable just a month ago. Lawmakers have filed bills for years to change the flag with no success. Bills filed this year were expected to die without debate.
While a student at Millsaps College, Reeves was a member of the Kappa Alpha fraternity, which organized Confederate-themed parties, and attended costume formals." Earlier this year, he recognized April as Confederate Heritage Month, according to the Jackson Free Press.
Then, video of a white police officer kneeling for nearly 9 minutes on the neck of George Floyd on Memorial Day went viral. The death of Floyd, who was Black, led to a national reckoning on racial inequality.
Timeline:What were the key moments that led up to Mississippi flag change vote?
Mississippi has a higher percentage of Black residents than any other state, and many pushing to change the flag said it was time to remove a symbol of white supremacy from Mississippi's banner.
Reeves alluded to that sentiment in Tuesday's speech.
"Now I can admit that as young boy growing up in Florence, I couldn’t have understood the pain that some of our neighbors felt when they looked at our flag," Reeves said. "A pain that made many feel unwelcome and unwanted."
As young activists organized massive protests throughout the state this June, Reeves repeatedly deflected questions about the state flag at a press conference. When asked what he sees when he looks at the flag, Reeves replied, “I see a flag that the vast majority of Mississippians voted in 2001 to maintain as Mississippi’s state flag.“
Athletes and college athletics officials, religious leaders and business groups took public positions on changing the flag.
It was the first time since 2015, when a white supremacist killed nine Black church members in Charleston, South Carolina, that a massive groundswell of opposition to the Mississippi flag caused leaders to reflect on the state flag — and whether it represents all Mississippians.
This time, lawmakers decided they had to act.
"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will," Sen. Angela Turner-Ford, who leads the Mississippi Legislative Black Caucus, said at a Monday news conference. "And what power are we referring to? The power of the Confederacy, that perpetuated the flag of 1894, holding its position of prominence in this state up until this past Sunday."
Sen. David Jordan, D-Greenwood, spoke Sunday to his colleagues about slavery, and about discrimination he witnessed growing up in the Delta. He said removing the flag helps the state's image. On Monday, the 87-year-old who has served since 1993, was asked if he believed he would see the flag come down while he was still in the Senate — or even during his lifetime.
"Probably no," he said. "But God works in mysterious ways."
Other Black lawmakers said Tuesday the moment was the biggest of their careers. For Sen. John Horhn, D-Jackson, who has served 28 years, it tops even his instrumental role in opening the Mississippi Civil Rights Museum three years ago.
"We're taking down a symbol that has held the state back," Horhn said Tuesday, standing outside the mansion. "And it holds so much promise, as a result of that, for our future and the future of our children."
Rep. Orlando Paden, D-Clarksdale, has served five years in the Legislature. His predecessor, he said, had unsuccessfully filed "so many bills to change it."
"This is momentous, this is a part of history, this is one of the biggest moments during my lifetime, maybe it's going to be during my legislative career," said Paden, 36, who also came to the mansion before the signing. "I just wanted to be here to see it through, so I'll be able to tell my children and grandchildren that I was here."
A small group of people including media, documentary filmmakers, lawmakers and other onlookers from the community gathered outside the mansion just before 5 p.m., watching a video livestream on their phones as Reeves signed the bill inside.
A man passing in his car stuck a fist out the window and yelled: "Victory!"
A man on the sidewalk yelled back: "Yes, victory!"
Mississippi flag: Gov. Reeves signs bill taking down state flag with ceremony at mansion
Gov. Tate Reeves had long deflected questions about the state flag, pointing to a 2001 referendum when voters opted to keep the design.
www.clarionledger.com
Mississippi flag: Gov. Reeves signs bill taking down state flag with ceremony at mansion
Giacomo Bologna
Mississippi Clarion Ledger
Gov. Tate Reeves signed a bill Tuesday evening that mandates the removal of the state flag Mississippi and bans future use of the Confederate emblem.
Mississippi was the only state whose flag contained the Confederate battle flag. Lawmakers adopted it nearly three decades after the Civil War.
"Whether you are proud of this step or angry with us over the process, I want you to know that I love you," Reeves said in a ceremony at the Governor's Mansion. "I am praying for you."
Reeves had long refused to take a position on the flag, which the Legislature adopted in 1894. Nearly two-thirds of voters reaffirmed the flag in a 2001 referendum, and Reeves has repeatedly pointed to this referendum, saying only voters can decide to take the flag down.
He softened the stance a week ago, then announced on Saturday morning that the issue had grown too divisive and that he would sign whatever flag bill lawmakers passed.
Hours after the announcement, the Legislature began the formal process to take down the current flag.
Reeves said during a speech Tuesday that some people might never find common ground on the flag debate and that healing will not take place overnight.
"I know there are people of goodwill who are not happy to see this flag change," Reeves said Tuesday. "They fear a chain reaction of events erasing our history — a history that is no doubt complicated and imperfect. I understand those concerns and am determined to protect Mississippi from that dangerous outcome."
A historic vote:Mississippi lawmakers vote to change state flag; no more Confederate battle flag
That Mississippi changed its flag after 126 years was almost inconceivable just a month ago. Lawmakers have filed bills for years to change the flag with no success. Bills filed this year were expected to die without debate.
While a student at Millsaps College, Reeves was a member of the Kappa Alpha fraternity, which organized Confederate-themed parties, and attended costume formals." Earlier this year, he recognized April as Confederate Heritage Month, according to the Jackson Free Press.
Then, video of a white police officer kneeling for nearly 9 minutes on the neck of George Floyd on Memorial Day went viral. The death of Floyd, who was Black, led to a national reckoning on racial inequality.
Timeline:What were the key moments that led up to Mississippi flag change vote?
Mississippi has a higher percentage of Black residents than any other state, and many pushing to change the flag said it was time to remove a symbol of white supremacy from Mississippi's banner.
Reeves alluded to that sentiment in Tuesday's speech.
"Now I can admit that as young boy growing up in Florence, I couldn’t have understood the pain that some of our neighbors felt when they looked at our flag," Reeves said. "A pain that made many feel unwelcome and unwanted."
As young activists organized massive protests throughout the state this June, Reeves repeatedly deflected questions about the state flag at a press conference. When asked what he sees when he looks at the flag, Reeves replied, “I see a flag that the vast majority of Mississippians voted in 2001 to maintain as Mississippi’s state flag.“
Athletes and college athletics officials, religious leaders and business groups took public positions on changing the flag.
It was the first time since 2015, when a white supremacist killed nine Black church members in Charleston, South Carolina, that a massive groundswell of opposition to the Mississippi flag caused leaders to reflect on the state flag — and whether it represents all Mississippians.
This time, lawmakers decided they had to act.
"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will," Sen. Angela Turner-Ford, who leads the Mississippi Legislative Black Caucus, said at a Monday news conference. "And what power are we referring to? The power of the Confederacy, that perpetuated the flag of 1894, holding its position of prominence in this state up until this past Sunday."
Sen. David Jordan, D-Greenwood, spoke Sunday to his colleagues about slavery, and about discrimination he witnessed growing up in the Delta. He said removing the flag helps the state's image. On Monday, the 87-year-old who has served since 1993, was asked if he believed he would see the flag come down while he was still in the Senate — or even during his lifetime.
"Probably no," he said. "But God works in mysterious ways."
Other Black lawmakers said Tuesday the moment was the biggest of their careers. For Sen. John Horhn, D-Jackson, who has served 28 years, it tops even his instrumental role in opening the Mississippi Civil Rights Museum three years ago.
"We're taking down a symbol that has held the state back," Horhn said Tuesday, standing outside the mansion. "And it holds so much promise, as a result of that, for our future and the future of our children."
Rep. Orlando Paden, D-Clarksdale, has served five years in the Legislature. His predecessor, he said, had unsuccessfully filed "so many bills to change it."
"This is momentous, this is a part of history, this is one of the biggest moments during my lifetime, maybe it's going to be during my legislative career," said Paden, 36, who also came to the mansion before the signing. "I just wanted to be here to see it through, so I'll be able to tell my children and grandchildren that I was here."
A small group of people including media, documentary filmmakers, lawmakers and other onlookers from the community gathered outside the mansion just before 5 p.m., watching a video livestream on their phones as Reeves signed the bill inside.
A man passing in his car stuck a fist out the window and yelled: "Victory!"
A man on the sidewalk yelled back: "Yes, victory!"
CaryC
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Their delusional.
Yes victory in taking the flag down (you also must realize that like DC where the state capital is, that county is predominately Democratic, and black). However it will end up being a loss/defeat.
So we have no flag now, and won't until some committee comes up with one by Nov. to be voted on. Then it has to pass a vote by 50% +1.
That flag if it has "In God we Trust" on it will be in court in 3....2....1.... Which will end up in some liberal appeals court, and have to be taken down.
He's also delusional if he thinks we can now be united. It will never happen. The mob (BLM) will never be placated, and will want more and more. We will only be united if we do it their way. That's what he doesn't understand. He also want us to unite with black churches, never happen. I will not believe in Black Liberation Theology, and they are not going to force me. (speaking from experience)
But the 5100 Baptist Ministers in the state, who signed the removal letter already have bowed the knee.
He's delusional, he's already lost.
The falling away must come first........
Yes victory in taking the flag down (you also must realize that like DC where the state capital is, that county is predominately Democratic, and black). However it will end up being a loss/defeat.
So we have no flag now, and won't until some committee comes up with one by Nov. to be voted on. Then it has to pass a vote by 50% +1.
That flag if it has "In God we Trust" on it will be in court in 3....2....1.... Which will end up in some liberal appeals court, and have to be taken down.
He's also delusional if he thinks we can now be united. It will never happen. The mob (BLM) will never be placated, and will want more and more. We will only be united if we do it their way. That's what he doesn't understand. He also want us to unite with black churches, never happen. I will not believe in Black Liberation Theology, and they are not going to force me. (speaking from experience)
But the 5100 Baptist Ministers in the state, who signed the removal letter already have bowed the knee.
He's delusional, he's already lost.
The falling away must come first........
Top contenders for the new flag:
SouthernBreeze
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This whole mess sickens me. While watching the lowering of our flag at the ceremony, yesterday, I felt like something in my spirit died. I wanted to cry/ mourn for what was taking place. No matter what new design they come up with, it won't be my flag. Period.
Vulture45-70
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Fly The Bonnie Blue
SouthernBreeze
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Flying the Bonnie Blue is on the same level as flying the Southern Cross.
CaryC
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Since the black pop is the most in the nation (36-38% still NOT a majority), and Tate has caved to it (they'll be asking/demanding he resign next, since he dressed up as a Confederate in college, all his posturing to placate the BLM, and say he won't stand for Confederate monuments being taken down won't mean a thing)
He should put this one up:
He should put this one up:
SouthernBreeze
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Gov. Reeves says that changing our flag will bring unity to the state among our people. I say that this is bringing a deeper divide more than anything. I told Cary that as bad as the feelings are right now, Mississippi may get to have our own Civil War. Rallies are taking place all across the state, today, in protest of the change. I think there will be shooting, before this is over.
SouthernBreeze
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The committee has already designed the new flag. We keep the stripes with "In God We Trust" replacing the CBF. We get to vote to either reject it or accept it in November.
I wear a Bonnie Blue flag patch on my contractor cap every time I go out. Almost no one knows what it is, but I do get the occasional knowing grin.
This week I have changed the patch to a Betsy Ross, for the Fourth, but they're velcro - easy to change.
When I posted link the other day I noticed Gadsden and Culpeper was offering a First National flag patch now - gotta get me one of those, too. Almost no one knows what that is either.
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This week I have changed the patch to a Betsy Ross, for the Fourth, but they're velcro - easy to change.
When I posted link the other day I noticed Gadsden and Culpeper was offering a First National flag patch now - gotta get me one of those, too. Almost no one knows what that is either.
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Meadowlark
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Apparently the voters have no say in the matter.
CaryC
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Correct. other than an up or down vote in Nov.
PghPanther
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naegling62
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Yep, and the old Mississippi flag may become the flag of the resistance nation wide. I'm considering flying it. It is the most attractive flag of the occupied CSA.
I went ahead and ordered the 7-star First National flag patch as mentioned above, plus a fitted OD contractor cap.
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CaryC
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Yeah go for it. A guy up the road has a road side stand and the thing is covered with them.
Just as a note on the continuing BS here>
Tate just signed a bill making the entire state wet. Meaning for those who don't know. Alcohol can now be sold anywhere. Well, starting Jan. 1.
Just like with the flag they took it out of the hands of the people. Any city or county could vote to go wet. Tupelo/Lee county has been wet for years.
My county, and the next have been dry since Prohibition. However there are a couple of towns in the last couple of years that have VOTED to go wet.
It was all in the hands of the people and where they lived. No problem. It's all over now.
One of the big deals with these referendums was Baptist Preachers would come out by the droves to campaign against going wet. Satan lived in the bottle, and all that.
Remember the 5100 Baptist Preachers who came out in support of changing the flag.........they just got stabbed in the back.
You also remember that Tate prayed and prayed couldn't sleep at night for praying about changing the flag. If he figured that God was telling him to go ahead and change the flag. Makes one wonder if he even asked God about this one.
Lot's and lot's of folks are hot in Mississippi, and it ain't the weather either.
Tate may be a one term Governor.
Dry counties are holdovers from Prohibition. Same with "blue laws". There is no place for either today.
SouthernBreeze
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It's just the fact that the choice was taken out of voter's hands, just like the flag was. Yeah, here in Mississippi, we have a lot of dry counties left. It's always been a choice voted on by the citizens of each county. What will be next, issued by the Legislators, instead of "we the people" deciding?
SouthernBreeze
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Nah. We exchanged bootleggers for meth manufactors years ago.
Doc1
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There's no real bootlegging market in Mississippi anymore. There are so many wet counties in the state now that anyone in a dry county who wants booze can just go over to the next county to buy it. As a matter of historical note, Brett Favre's old stomping grounds of Kiln, Mississippi (in Hancock County) was once an epicenter of bootleg liquor.
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CaryC
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As do the stores at the county line, on the wet side.
But all that is over now. Not making an issue out of drinking beverages, but rather how we arrived at this point.
They use to keep the road in front of my house hot with traffic, going over into the wet county, to get their booze, and drinking it on the way home. Stopping in the middle of the road and peeing, in front of my house, or using my absentee neighbor's driveway, for dumping. Sometimes if they weren't going to be done by the time they got home, they'd just stop on the side of the road in front of my house and have a hoedown.
Now they may stop that, since the local store can carry it, without a vote, and lay around in the parking lot, accost customers (ladies) and have their good old boy fun, right there and save gas.
Granted lots of people act responsible, but these people "the good old boys" give everyone a bad name.
"Why we ain't doing nothing!"
And it's a mixed race community, and "the good old boys" are of every color. All that use to be in town, but now it's here. Wonder if Dollar General will carry beer?
What is really to bad in my opinion is that the people who use to have a say, didn't.
SouthernBreeze
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Speaking of guns instead of alcohol, the Legislators will try to steal our gun rights next. Seems they are on a downhill slide.
Just to make it more clear: Prohibition was repealed by the ratification of the 21st Amendment. Thus, "dry counties" are, by definition, unconstitutional. This according to the 10th Amendment.
NoDandy
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I would have guessed the new flag would have large letters BLM, and in the center, a raised black fist !
SouthernBreeze
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I don't know about that, Dennis.
PghPanther
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maybe this?
