BRKG Master Twitter thread. Elon Musk now owns Twitter, post 144. Heads roll for real

artichoke

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
Also I read that Twitter is coded in Scala, a highly structured language. It should be readily maintainable, unlike Musk's stuff over at Tesla which is written in Basic, erm I mean Python. As wait-n-see said, it shouldn't take long for new people to start showing productivity on well-defined and measurable tasks.

That's a problem with working in the software field. Good work strips out all your personal intellectual property and is clearly understandable by someone else. Ever since "The Mythical Man-Month" there's been a focus on making software workers interchangeable -- like Henry Ford's assembly line, where products were designed for imperfect but close-enough parts to be interchangeable.

Elon is sure to take full advantage of this. He's a quick study and he has a team of his software people supervising it. It's not humane, but it's software.
 
artichoke

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
WalknTrot said:
:shr:

I haven't noticed a thing in the real world except for the added entertainment value. And I doubt many who actually use Twitter can truly say that they've noticed any difference in the end product.
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I now use Twitter, because it's observably better. It all works fine. The suggested tweets are more interesting and the whole user experience is now interesting enough that I click and click again. And I found a clip from an NBA game. Wasn't that one of his "aspirational" goals, to be able to tweet short video clips? Done.

This has nothing to do with my opinion of the personalities at Twitter and those no longer there. But it ratifies that opinion.
 
Dennis Olson

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wait-n-see said:
Nope, the vast majority of s/w grunts deliver good code at an break neck rate, and with quality.
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There is something called the “quality pyramid” (or some such) that is used in reference to software development. But in reality it can be applied to any development. I’m sure many of you have heard it.

There are three components to deliverables. You can have it

Fast
Good
or cheap

But - you can NEVER have all three. Only two are possible.

You can have it: fast and good, but it won’t be cheap

You can have it: good and cheap, but it won’t be fast

You can have it: fast and cheap, but it won’t be good


Far too many managers and executives foolishly believe one can have all three. It’s impossible.
 
vector7

vector7

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Elon trolling AOC again...
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Tex88

Tex88

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After Twitter planned to close offices for the day, Elon Musk asks engineers to come in​

PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 18 20221:21 PM ESTUPDATED 2 HOURS AGO

KEY POINTS
  • The mixed messages from Twitter leadership to employees continue as Musk tells engineers to report to headquarters, hours after the company told employees the offices would be closed until Monday.
  • Musk wants engineers to help him “better understand the Twitter tech stack.”
  • The mixed messages on returning to the office come after a wave of Twitter employees resigned on Thursday.
After Twitter told employees it would be closing its offices until Monday, new owner and CEO Elon Musk has called engineering staff into the San Francisco headquarters office, according to internal emails obtained by CNBC.

Late on Thursday, Twitter sent out a companywide email saying its offices would be closed from Friday until Monday, and badge access would cut off during that temporary closure.

Then, in a pair of widely distributed emails sent at the start of business on Friday, Musk called for “anyone who actually writes software,” to report to Twitter’s headquarters by Friday afternoon (bwhahahaha, no, got plans, Tex88). First, though, he asked them to send him a high-level report of the best code that they have worked on in the last six months.

After the initial call for engineers to come into the office, he also sent a followup encouraging people to fly to San Francisco to present in person. He said, in one of his emails, he would be working late into the night at the company’s headquarters office Friday, and back again on Saturday morning.

Musk said the point of sharing all this code, and meeting with him in the office, would be to do “short, technical interviews” that would help him “better understand the Twitter tech stack.”

Musk said those authorized to work remotely could request to speak with him by video. But quixotically he also said, “Only those who cannot get to Twitter HQ or have a family emergency are excused.”

The mixed messages on returning to the office come after a wave of Twitter employees resigned on Thursday.

Their new “Chief Twit,” as Musk humorously calls himself, had issued an ultimatum a day earlier telling them they would need to commit to his vision for Twitter 2.0, and agree to work “long hours at high intensity.”

Three employees who resigned on Thursday told CNBC they still had access to some internal systems at Twitter on Friday morning.

One believed that so many people from Twitter’s human resources and IT teams had resigned or been laid off that it may take a long time for the company to figure out whose access to email, Slack and other systems should be switched off.

These people asked to remain un-named citing fear of professional repercussions.
 
West

West

Senior
artichoke said:
But 8 hours is not the expectation. It never was in that business, until I guess recently. 10 or 12, then come back and do it again the next day, and the next ...

First he got rid of the clearly oppositional and incompetent and the censors.

But still costs are too high and he doesn't need so many to maintain and upgrade an existing platform.

With all the talk of not having enough people to maintain it and crashes to come, it's a fairly clear threat that people are looking to hack it and make their dream come true. They want Musk to fail. They'll rejoice if Twitter goes down.

Therefore, the need for a war footing. It's not a good look, but so far Twitter keeps working just fine, and that's what the public, who have hard jobs and demanding unfriendly bosses of their own. care about.
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Only as a owner, I would work a shift longer than 8hr, without time and half plus...

Don't understand why people on a payroll would work longer than they are getting paid for. Weird.
 
Ira

Ira

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artichoke said:
Also I read that Twitter is coded in Scala, a highly structured language. It should be readily maintainable, unlike Musk's stuff over at Tesla which is written in Basic, erm I mean Python. As wait-n-see said, it shouldn't take long for new people to start showing productivity on well-defined and measurable tasks.

That's a problem with working in the software field. Good work strips out all your personal intellectual property and is clearly understandable by someone else. Ever since "The Mythical Man-Month" there's been a focus on making software workers interchangeable -- like Henry Ford's assembly line, where products were designed for imperfect but close-enough parts to be interchangeable.

Elon is sure to take full advantage of this. He's a quick study and he has a team of his software people supervising it. It's not humane, but it's software.
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how much you wanna bet that is the core reason why Musk bought Twitter. He wanted Scala
 
Tristan

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Ira said:
how much you wanna bet that is the core reason why Musk bought Twitter. He wanted Scala
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Then he paid too much...

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Kris Gandillon

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West said:
Only as a owner, I would work a shift longer than 8hr, without time and half plus...

Don't understand why people on a payroll would work longer than they are getting paid for. Weird.
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You have an “hourly” mindset rather than a “salary” mindset.

Keep in mind, these folks were/are making an average of $146,000 salary. That comes to over $70/hour assuming a standard 2,080 hour year (52 weeks x 40 hours).

If they work 60 hour weeks, that still comes out to almost $47/hour.

Plus they likely have at least 3 and probably 4 weeks of vacation plus 10 holidays and I bet substantial bonuses in the range of 20-30%.
 
West

West

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Kris Gandillon said:
You have an “hourly” mindset rather than a “salary” mindset.

Keep in mind, these folks were/are making an average of $146,000 salary. That comes to over $70/hour assuming a standard 2,080 hour year (52 weeks x 40 hours).

If they work 60 hour weeks, that still comes out to almost $47/hour.

Plus they likely have at least 3 and probably 4 weeks of vacation plus 10 holidays and I bet substantial bonuses in the range of 20-30%.
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That makes sense. However even then if one feels their being used why stay in a job where your being used?

As a business owner(over32 years now) I know my salary mindset is only if the business can afford it. :D
 
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Kris Gandillon

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West said:
That makes sense. However even then if one feels their being used why stay in a job where your being used?

As a business owner(over32 years now) I know my salary mindset is only if the business can afford it. :D
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I haven’t been “hourly” since 1974 in high school.

I am basically in the same industry as the Twitter folks. Technology.

I have been 6 figure plus salary since 1989 and have put in tons of overtime as necessary since then because I felt that was the necessary and right thing to do.

It’s a two-way street if you play the game correctly.

I have also had the flexibility most of that time to set my own hours, do what I needed to do when I needed to do it as it relates to family, children, doctors appointments, dealing with vehicle and house/property issues, etc.

I work hard and show up when necessary. They allow me to do what I need to do when I need to do it. It’s a mutual respect of each others needs.
 
Knoxville's Joker

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Tex88 said:
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Elon has some grounds to sue the people that left maliciously.

If nothing was documented sufficiently to a point where things can be picked back up, Those that left will be in very bad hot water with the SEC as if certain information is missing that is required for fillings, Musk will have strong gronds to roast those that maliciously left.

But the fact that those sections left, this tells that this was a state sponsered action to try and cover up all the fake employees and all the government money that twitter was getting given off the books.

Cutting of checks can be done a number of ways. And really opens up options for Musk to prove a point and make an absolute troll of things to remind folks screwing your former employees is a bad idea...
 
Macgyver

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bassgirl said:
Maybe. But the rules for mass layoffs is called RIF. Reduction in work force. And by law you have to give them severance pay. ESPECIALLY if they are over the age of 40. (I think it’s 40 but don’t hold me to that)

I had it happen to me. We heard layoffs were coming. And my fellow Nurse-co-worker had a lawyer for a husband and he is the one that told us they will have to do RIF pay by federal law.

Sure enough we were given a package with the option to take the money and NOT file unemployment, or refuse the money and maybe get unemployment. It depends on the state. Since we were offered money and refused, the unemployment could determine you may not qualify.

It is different in every state. But the Federal law is there.
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This was discussed a few pages ago. I doesn't apply when the company is losing money.
 
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mzkitty

mzkitty

I give up.
Tex88 said:

After Twitter planned to close offices for the day, Elon Musk asks engineers to come in​

PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 18 20221:21 PM ESTUPDATED 2 HOURS AGO

KEY POINTS
  • The mixed messages from Twitter leadership to employees continue as Musk tells engineers to report to headquarters, hours after the company told employees the offices would be closed until Monday.
  • Musk wants engineers to help him “better understand the Twitter tech stack.”
  • The mixed messages on returning to the office come after a wave of Twitter employees resigned on Thursday.
After Twitter told employees it would be closing its offices until Monday, new owner and CEO Elon Musk has called engineering staff into the San Francisco headquarters office, according to internal emails obtained by CNBC.

Late on Thursday, Twitter sent out a companywide email saying its offices would be closed from Friday until Monday, and badge access would cut off during that temporary closure.

Then, in a pair of widely distributed emails sent at the start of business on Friday, Musk called for “anyone who actually writes software,” to report to Twitter’s headquarters by Friday afternoon (bwhahahaha, no, got plans, Tex88). First, though, he asked them to send him a high-level report of the best code that they have worked on in the last six months.

After the initial call for engineers to come into the office, he also sent a followup encouraging people to fly to San Francisco to present in person. He said, in one of his emails, he would be working late into the night at the company’s headquarters office Friday, and back again on Saturday morning.

Musk said the point of sharing all this code, and meeting with him in the office, would be to do “short, technical interviews” that would help him “better understand the Twitter tech stack.”

Musk said those authorized to work remotely could request to speak with him by video. But quixotically he also said, “Only those who cannot get to Twitter HQ or have a family emergency are excused.”

The mixed messages on returning to the office come after a wave of Twitter employees resigned on Thursday.

Their new “Chief Twit,” as Musk humorously calls himself, had issued an ultimatum a day earlier telling them they would need to commit to his vision for Twitter 2.0, and agree to work “long hours at high intensity.”

Three employees who resigned on Thursday told CNBC they still had access to some internal systems at Twitter on Friday morning.

One believed that so many people from Twitter’s human resources and IT teams had resigned or been laid off that it may take a long time for the company to figure out whose access to email, Slack and other systems should be switched off.

These people asked to remain un-named citing fear of professional repercussions.
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I'm pretty sure they came in. Last night I posted a tweet of some guy putting lights on the Twitter HQ building that were nothing but insulting Elon. Anyway, all the floors were lit up in the building. So somebody was home.
 
Knoxville's Joker

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Tex88 said:
He sent the "click 'yes, I will work 24/7 for master' or consider yourself fired" email. He's now in the "and find out" phase of his cunning plan.
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I more regarded the email as a the lazy river ride show is over, get ready for the rapid rapids ride.

The problem is that Musk did what I consider to be a hostile take over. He is having to change the culture to match his other businesses.
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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If nothing was documented sufficiently to a point where things can be picked back up, Those that left will be in very bad hot water with the SEC as if certain information is missing that is required for fillings, Musk will have strong gronds to roast those that maliciously left.


SEC doesn’t apply. Musk took the company private.
 
wait-n-see

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Dennis Olson said:
There is something called the “quality pyramid” (or some such) that is used in reference to software development. But in reality it can be applied to any development. I’m sure many of you have heard it.

There are three components to deliverables. You can have it

Fast
Good
or cheap

But - you can NEVER have all three. Only two are possible.

You can have it: fast and good, but it won’t be cheap

You can have it: good and cheap, but it won’t be fast

You can have it: fast and cheap, but it won’t be good


Far too many managers and executives foolishly believe one can have all three. It’s impossible.
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I agree with you on the vast majority of the shops, including most I've worked in. However, in some of the shops I've seen there have been gun slingers that provided all 3 to anything they did. Of course, they were very well paid and did put in the extra effort required to be at their level, and stay at that level.

I've mainly see teams of this type though in the defense world and telecom needing 5 9s. Outside of those areas, I mainly see them in tiger teams.

As an example, one of the products I worked was a VoIP running on distributed UNIX servers, utilizing Oracle. One of those slingers came in brand new to this product (but experienced) and in 6 months became one of the product SMEs for design as well as support from the embedded code to the PL/Sql with Oracle to the UI on the devices as well as the node stations. To do that he lived at the shop 7 days a week, for almost the entire time. However, he was single, had the motivation and he made sure he had plenty of coffee on hand. ;)
 
P

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bassgirl said:
Maybe. But the rules for mass layoffs is called RIF. Reduction in work force. And by law you have to give them severance pay. ESPECIALLY if they are over the age of 40. (I think it’s 40 but don’t hold me to that)

I had it happen to me. We heard layoffs were coming. And my fellow Nurse-co-worker had a lawyer for a husband and he is the one that told us they will have to do RIF pay by federal law.

Sure enough we were given a package with the option to take the money and NOT file unemployment, or refuse the money and maybe get unemployment. It depends on the state. Since we were offered money and refused, the unemployment could determine you may not qualify.

It is different in every state. But the Federal law is there.
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There’s also constructive dismissal or toxic work environment.
 
S

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Pretty sure the software runs and tweets tweet even if all the HR department is at their desk or not! Goes for finance as well.

I laugh at all the entitled silicon valley jerks have to go and get real jobs in a place with everyone laying people off.

Bbbwwwwaaaa
 
wait-n-see

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Kris Gandillon said:
You have an “hourly” mindset rather than a “salary” mindset.

Keep in mind, these folks were/are making an average of $146,000 salary. That comes to over $70/hour assuming a standard 2,080 hour year (52 weeks x 40 hours).

If they work 60 hour weeks, that still comes out to almost $47/hour.

Plus they likely have at least 3 and probably 4 weeks of vacation plus 10 holidays and I bet substantial bonuses in the range of 20-30%.
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Spot on!

The interesting thing is the mid 100K and above is getting to be a standard across the country for mid-level s/w engineers still in full development. Into the 200s is not unusual for tech leads. Managers do even better when you include their bonuses and stock options.

And this is for "normal s/w slingers. Those in cyber security, data base and data science get even higher. I'm sure there are other specialties that I am forgetting at this moment.

The s/w world is still an excellent career.
 
Kris Gandillon

Kris Gandillon

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bassgirl said:
Maybe. But the rules for mass layoffs is called RIF. Reduction in work force. And by law you have to give them severance pay. ESPECIALLY if they are over the age of 40. (I think it’s 40 but don’t hold me to that)

I had it happen to me. We heard layoffs were coming. And my fellow Nurse-co-worker had a lawyer for a husband and he is the one that told us they will have to do RIF pay by federal law.

Sure enough we were given a package with the option to take the money and NOT file unemployment, or refuse the money and maybe get unemployment. It depends on the state. Since we were offered money and refused, the unemployment could determine you may not qualify.

It is different in every state. But the Federal law is there.
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Musk more than covered the WARN act requirement of 60 day notice or 60 day severance when he provided those who left with 3 months of severance.

Severance is NOT required by law under any circumstances but is often used as a way around the WARN 60 day notice requirement as 60 days or more of severance announced at the time of the RIF effectively accomplishes the same thing as the 60 day notification.

Severance is also often provided as an act of good will and as positive publicity in the midst of an otherwise negative situation, assuming the company remains in business.
 
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