CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I use the bno site, both of them one for all 50 states and the other one for the nation's, and that one had no oregon updates since 606 sn 16 dead. Downtown is in chaos, the police won't respond and I have seen VIOLENT screaming semi fights with the out of control crazies all over the place for the last week or so. When I went to the local tv Katy and kgw neither of them had updated either
Doug, check out weather.com. Plug in Portland OR, and then look for the COVID-19 button on the toolbar at the top of the website. It is pretty accurate. It updates daily late afternoon or early evening. Stay safe up there.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
so Russia sent us their stockpile?

China is sending 27 tons of medical supplies to Russia aiding the country's fight against #Covid19 outbreak. The supplies include protective gowns, surgical gloves, thermometers, etc. The charter flight is expected to arrive on Wednesday night.
Video 26 sec
View: https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1245347517635735552
So Russia just sent us stuff, China sent Russia stuff and hasn't the US sent China stuff? It's understandable if we all have different stuff to share, but if everyone is sending everyone else the same thing like masks, Greta is gonna be mad about the waste of jet fuel.

Edited to add: Not that I care one bit what Greta thinks. lol
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Of course you realize that they will nuke us in return. More American lives will be lost in the nuclear war than from the virus. So to avenge one America life are you willing to sacrifice one or two or three more?

We do it right, they won't get a shot off... Do our leaders have the balls to do it? Doesn't appear so, at least at this time...

OA
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Leaving my own take out of it, re: do or don't shut down religious services...

DeSantis is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

No winning for either not shutting down, or shutting down.
Stay at home, or don't stay at home.

One way or another, somebody's going to be pissed.

I don't envy him his position.

He wanted it...

And, he appears incredibly wishy-washy and afraid to commit to any course of action, Glad we didn't get the alternative but...
 

vestige

Deceased
We do it right, they won't get a shot off... Do our leaders have the balls to do it? Doesn't appear so, at least at this time...

OA

Still a little early in the game.

When we are down on our knees all across the country... then our enemies will soar around us like these black buzzards.

Then is when the nukes may fly.

We may have to take the first blow but we will respond immediately.

Pucker muscles better be in good shape.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Interesting night. The DW came in and said that there is a forest fire to the south behind our house and appears to be moving to the west along the river. I checked and the fire is moving slowly west. I contacted the family that lives west of the fire, but had to talk to another family member to get their phones number, but their phones are not working, so brother contacted them over the internet so they are aware of the fire.

I contacted the sheriff's department and they were to contact the Forestry Service who would send out a dozer to cut fire breaks.

The winds have changed out of the south at 5 to 10 mph with the fire moving toward us, but slowly due to the wet conditions from all of the rain. Rain again forecast for tomorrow. The neighbors to the east of us are not in and are a lot closer to the forest than we are.

I can hear the dozer to the south of us and the fire is being tamped out.

Just wait and excitement will come at unexpected times.

Texican....
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Coast Guard: Cruise ships must stay at sea with sick onboard
By FREIDA FRISARO and ADRIANA GOMEZ LICONyesterday




FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — The U.S. Coast Guard has directed cruise ships to prepare to treat any sick passengers and crew on board while being sequestered “indefinitely” offshore during the coronavirus pandemic.

The new rules outlined in a memo are required for ships in the district that covers Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Puerto Rico. They also come with a stiff warning: Any foreign-flagged vessels “that loiter beyond U.S. territorial seas” should try first to medically evacuate the very sick to those countries instead.

Many South Florida cruise ships are registered in the Bahamas, where hospital capacity is limited and people are still recovering from last year’s devastating Hurricane Dorian.

The rules, which apply to vessels carrying more than 50 people, were issued in a March 29 safety bulletin signed by Coast Guard Rear Admiral E.C. Jones, head of the seventh district. All ships destined for U.S. ports were already required to provide daily updates on their coronavirus caseload or face civil penalties or criminal prosecution.
Dozens of cruise ships are either lined up at Port Miami and Port Everglades or waiting offshore due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Most have only crew aboard, but Carnival Corp., which owns nine cruise lines with a total of 105 ships, notified the SEC on Tuesday that it has more than 6,000 passengers still at sea.

Federal, state and local officials have been negotiating over whether Carnival’s Holland America cruise ships, the Zaandam and Rotterdam, would be allowed to dock at Port Everglades this week. But the company’s Coral Princess is coming, too, with what that ship’s medical center called a higher-than-normal number of people with flu-like symptoms.

Carnival said three of the 40 ships that were at sea when it paused its cruises last month are expected to arrive at port by week’s end. In addition to the ships arriving in Fort Lauderdale, other ships are approaching Civitavecchia, Italy, and Southampton, England, spokesman Roger Frizzell said.

Two of four deaths on the Zaandam were blamed on COVID-19 and nine people have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, Carnival’s maritime chief officer William Burke told Broward County commissioners at a Tuesday meeting. The company said more than 200 have reported symptoms. More than 300 Americans, with about 50 Floridians, are on Zaandam and Rotterdam. Four children under 12 are on board.

Gov. Ron DeSantis said he expected a resolution Wednesday after speaking with President Donald Trump, but port authorities later said discussions between the company and officials over the terms of docking were ongoing and they did not expect to update Broward County commissioners on Wednesday as foreseen at the Tuesday meeting.

DeSantis maintained Florida’s health care system is stretched too thin to take on the ships’ coronavirus caseload, but he said he would accept the Florida residents on board.

“My concern is simply that we have worked so hard to make sure we have adequate hospital beds,” he said.

Trump had expressed sympathy toward the passengers on Tuesday.

“They’re dying on the ship,” Trump said. “I’m going to do what’s right. Not only for us, but for humanity.”

Passengers expressed their frustrations to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Andrea Anderson and her husband Rob coughed their way through a video chat from the Zandaam. Asked what she would say to Florida’s governor, Anderson said, “How would he feel if his mother was on this ship? Would he still be saying, ‘No they can’t dock?’”

Mary Beth Van Horn said she’s “terrified” for her brother Tom Brazier, 77, of Ocean Park, Washington, who went on the South American cruise with his wife before he was supposed to begin a new bone cancer treatment in April. They weren’t allowed to transfer to the Rotterdam with other apparently healthy people because they have portable CPAP machines and other mobility problems.

“He is afraid. Last time, he told me ‘I just don’t see how this could end well,’” she said.

For most people, the virus causes a fever and cough that can clear up in two to three weeks without hospitalization. Older adults and people with existing health problems are more likely to suffer severe illness and require oxygen to stay alive.

Under normal conditions, a ship can call on the Coast Guard to medically evacuate people too sick to be cared for on board.

Now a Coast Guard flight surgeon in the seventh district will decide if a transfer is absolutely necessary, but the cruise companies then would be responsible for arranging on-shore transportation and hospital beds.

“This is necessary as shore-side medical facilities may reach full capacity and lose the ability to accept and effectively treat additional critically-ill patients,” the memo said.

________________-

COMMENT: All these people need to take responsibility for their actions. They KNEW we were in a pandemic and that several times previously, people on cruise ships had contracted and spread the virus. There is even a travel warning against traveling on cruise ships. There should be consequences for their irresponsibility. How about putting them off on an uninhabited island. Erect a medical tent with volunteer medical staff paid for by the cruise lines and other tents for quarantine of individuals who are not ill.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
This Museum Is Asking People to Remake Famous Artworks With Household Items
The Getty Museum hopes its social media challenge will spark inspiration amid the COVID-19 pandemic
Vermeer
Johannes Vermeer's The Astronomer, 1668, (left) and recreation by Zumhagen-Krause and her husband featuring tray table, blanket and globe (right) (Courtesy of the J. Paul Getty Museum)
By Jennifer Nalewicki
SMITHSONIANMAG.COM
MARCH 31, 2020

Despite museums closing their doors due to the COVID-19 pandemic, people are still finding ways to feel artistically inspired from the comfort of their homes.

Last week, the J. Paul Getty Museum in Los Angeles sent out a tweet asking individuals self-isolating at home to recreate their favorite pieces of artwork. But there’s a catch: Participants must make their masterpieces using everyday household items.

After days of being cooped up inside, members of the public proved more than willing to accept the challenge, responding with personalized remakes of pieces by the likes of Paul Cézanne, Rembrandt van Rijn, Johannes Vermeer, Salvador Dalí and Pablo Picasso. Some stay-at-home artists pulled from their stashes of coronavirus supplies (rolls of toilet paper and coffee filters, for instance), while others enlisted the help of their pets, children’s toys and even that morning’s breakfast toast to remake the perfect portrait.
Van Gogh
Vincent van Gogh's Irises, 1889, (left) and recreation by Cara Jo O’Connell and family using Play Doh, carrot slices and wooden beads (right) (Courtesy of the J. Paul Getty Museum)

The Getty’s challenge was inspired by a similar online event presented by the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam earlier this month. So far, the Los Angeles museum has received thousands of submissions, no two the same.

“There’s a really great one where a woman took an ancient Greek sculpture and recreated it to a tee by posing with a canister vacuum,” says Annelisa Stephan, the Getty’s assistant director for digital content strategy. “There have been thousands of amazing ones. … Some of them are brilliant artistically, but they’re all just really funny.”

Other standouts, adds Stephan, include a version of the Louvre’s Winged Victory of Samothrace made with an energy drink and a ripped-up subway receipt and a remake of Dalí’s The Persistence of Memory featuring a peanut placed on a Brillo pad.

In other words, pretty much anything goes. Artists can select images from the Getty’s online photo archive, which contains two million images from the museum’s massive collection of paintings, drawings, photographs and sculptures. Self-Portrait, Yawning, by Joseph Ducreux and American Gothic by Grant Wood are proving to be two of the most popular sources of inspiration.


Vacuum Lady
Male Harp Player of the Early Spedos Type, 2700–2300 B.C. (left) and recreation with canister vacuum by Irena Ochódzka (right) (Courtesy of the J. Paul Getty Museum)

To help get people’s artistic juices flowing, the Getty has published a helpful guide offering tips on how to choose an artwork; orient a subject in the best light; and, finally, share on social media platforms like Twitter, Instagram and Facebook using the hashtags #betweenartandquarantine and #tussenkunstenquarataine.

The challenge arrives as communities around the globe grapple to hold themselves together during a pandemic that is unlike anything most people have witnessed in their lifetimes.

“The heartening part of this is not just the creations, but how generous and kind people are in the comment [sections] by holding each other up,” says Stephan. “When [the Getty] was thinking about what we could do during this time when so many museums are closed, it seemed to us that what art could really offer is a sense of community.”

Explains Stephan, “Being at home, people are feeling isolated, so this has been a fun way to have a community not only with friends and family, but also with friendly strangers on the web. It’s really an attempt to build community around art for people who love art and appreciate it, whether or not you’re an artist.”
 
But there would be those that would approach you to pet the skunk.

Texican....
I remember 40 yrs ago when i was doing massage. I would go to peoples houses. On the way to one appt. I saw a dead mama skunk in the road and two baby skunks by her. I had gloves in the car. I went and took mama off the road and then picked up the 2 babies and put them on the golf course they were near. I then got this idea that i wanted one of the baby skunks., so i walked back to my car and i just happened to have a kitty carrier in there. I went back and found the two babies. I went near one and it sprayed me real bad right in my face, eye and mouth. I didn't know that babies would spray. I ran away back to my car. I had no time to wash or change. My eye was burning and i could taste it in my mouth. I went to the ladies house and told her what happened. She was very nice about it. She said she thought i smoked some weed or had some strong skunk kind of beer. She let me take a shower and gave me a dress to wear. We threw my clothes in the garbage. I never forgot that kind lady. I did give her a back rub and such.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Battelle deploys decontamination system for reusing N95 masks
by
Conor Hale|
Mar 30, 2020 10:05am
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In the near term, Battelle’s facility plans to begin decontaminating respirator masks for at least four central Ohio health systems this week. (Battelle)

Battelle received an emergency go-ahead from the FDA over the weekend to deploy its decontamination system for personal protective equipment (PPE), allowing healthcare workers to clean and reuse scarce N95 respirator masks.

The system is currently operating at Battelle’s Ohio facility—capable of processing up to 80,000 masks per machine, per day, within what looks like a large metal shipping container—and has been working to help stretch supplies for the OhioHealth system based in Columbus.

Using concentrated hydrogen peroxide vapor, the filters are gassed for two and a half hours to destroy bacteria, viruses and other contaminants, including the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. According to the company, the system can clean the same N95 mask up to 20 times without degrading its performance.

The FDA had first OK’d the use of the system on Saturday but initially limited its use to 10,000 masks per day, according to Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, who called on the agency to unlock the system’s full decontamination capacity. DeWine also said this would have limited Battelle’s plans to deploy machines to the hard-hit New York metro area as well as Washington state and Washington, D.C.
Within hours, and after President Donald Trump also urged the FDA to approve the equipment on Twitter, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn tweeted late Sunday evening that the agency had issued an amended authorization.

Thank you Dr. Hahn & the FDA for your fast approval of this respected Ohio company recommended by Governor @MikeDeWine. Great potential! Dr. Stephen M. Hahn on Twitter
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 30, 2020
In the near term, Battelle’s facility plans to begin decontaminating respirator masks for three other central Ohio health systems this week.

Battelle previously engaged with the FDA from 2014 to 2016 to study the use of its decontamination machine in the midst of a potential pandemic and PPE shortage. Currently, the company is exploring its use outside of N95 masks to other equipment such as ventilator components.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
I'm really angry with Rush Limbaugh today. Just found out the 78 year old neighbor who cuts our grass is positive and in the hospital. Super nice guy whom I've known all my life. When he cut our grass about a week ago we talked a bit and he told me he believed what Rush had to say was true. No need to worry and he and his wife were not going to stay home and be a part of this. Rush said this and that and it was all way overplayed and really the whole virus wasn't a big deal.... it was all just a way to get at Trump. All the old country folks around here listen to Rush and he is going to end up killing people if he is still downplaying this.

NCGirl, I don't mean to scare you, but if you talked to him up close and in person last week, he may have already had the virus then and just wasn't showing symptoms. Have you worked through the dates yet? Adding my prayers for your neighbor and for you as well. PS - I agree about Rush being irresponsible. I blame it on chemo brain but someone should tell him to knock it off, that he's actually hurting people.

HD
 
My ex usually takes me shopping every wed., but i told him i'm not getting in his car. He is careless, forgets to use the wipes and won't wear a mask. He sees ive been using wipes for the last 3 yrs and still he forgets. I need him to help me carry a heavy box of food or big bag of dog food. So we drove off in two cars. He went in the store with me and used his own shopping cart to get a few things. (he forgets to prep and i told him im not baby sitting him.) I didn't buy much or need much. I saw when he got in his car he started the car and put his dirty hands on the wheel. I didn't say anything. It made me mad though. When we got to the taco place and had to go thro drive thro i went up to his car and told him to wipe his hands. I had wipes in his car. He did. When we got to my house I made him clean his hands before he touched my stuff. I left a box outside and will get another day. Just cans and a couple boxes. I had to tell him that he's very careless and i won't be able to get in his car anymore. He just keeps forgetting. He means to, but forgets. When i was with him a few wks ago i had to constantly remind him to wipe his hands. He works and makes yogurt and other dairy products and is around people all day. Plus he has 2 people living down in his basement. I told him i have to be very careful and since he is so careless he could end up killing me. I said i'm sorry, but i can't take that chance. It felt so weird parking side by side and eating in our own cars. We talked thro an open window. Screwed up world for sure!
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Interesting night. The DW came in and said that there is a forest fire to the south behind our house and appears to be moving to the west along the river. I checked and the fire is moving slowly west. I contacted the family that lives west of the fire, but had to talk to another family member to get their phones number, but their phones are not working, so brother contacted them over the internet so they are aware of the fire.

I contacted the sheriff's department and they were to contact the Forestry Service who would send out a dozer to cut fire breaks.

The winds have changed out of the south at 5 to 10 mph with the fire moving toward us, but slowly due to the wet conditions from all of the rain. Rain again forecast for tomorrow. The neighbors to the east of us are not in and are a lot closer to the forest than we are.

I can hear the dozer to the south of us and the fire is being tamped out.

Just wait and excitement will come at unexpected times.

Texican....

Be Safe and Well, my friend. You're much needed, and will be vital to rebuilding in your AO, when this is all over... GOD Bless You and Yours,

OA
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Still a little early in the game.

When we are down on our knees all across the country... then our enemies will soar around us like these black buzzards.

Then is when the nukes may fly.

We may have to take the first blow but we will respond immediately.

Pucker muscles better be in good shape.

Maybe, my friend... If they're hereabouts, I'd rather donate some RPT357M1's to the cause... They've been changing bad hombres into good fertilizer for many a year... Ruger and Remington, a partnership worth cultivatinin'.

Be Safe and Well, vestige. Your wisdom and experience will be needed in the times to come...

OA
 

OldArcher

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Coast Guard: Cruise ships must stay at sea with sick onboard
By FREIDA FRISARO and ADRIANA GOMEZ LICONyesterday




FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — The U.S. Coast Guard has directed cruise ships to prepare to treat any sick passengers and crew on board while being sequestered “indefinitely” offshore during the coronavirus pandemic.

The new rules outlined in a memo are required for ships in the district that covers Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Puerto Rico. They also come with a stiff warning: Any foreign-flagged vessels “that loiter beyond U.S. territorial seas” should try first to medically evacuate the very sick to those countries instead.

Many South Florida cruise ships are registered in the Bahamas, where hospital capacity is limited and people are still recovering from last year’s devastating Hurricane Dorian.

The rules, which apply to vessels carrying more than 50 people, were issued in a March 29 safety bulletin signed by Coast Guard Rear Admiral E.C. Jones, head of the seventh district. All ships destined for U.S. ports were already required to provide daily updates on their coronavirus caseload or face civil penalties or criminal prosecution.
Dozens of cruise ships are either lined up at Port Miami and Port Everglades or waiting offshore due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Most have only crew aboard, but Carnival Corp., which owns nine cruise lines with a total of 105 ships, notified the SEC on Tuesday that it has more than 6,000 passengers still at sea.

Federal, state and local officials have been negotiating over whether Carnival’s Holland America cruise ships, the Zaandam and Rotterdam, would be allowed to dock at Port Everglades this week. But the company’s Coral Princess is coming, too, with what that ship’s medical center called a higher-than-normal number of people with flu-like symptoms.

Carnival said three of the 40 ships that were at sea when it paused its cruises last month are expected to arrive at port by week’s end. In addition to the ships arriving in Fort Lauderdale, other ships are approaching Civitavecchia, Italy, and Southampton, England, spokesman Roger Frizzell said.

Two of four deaths on the Zaandam were blamed on COVID-19 and nine people have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, Carnival’s maritime chief officer William Burke told Broward County commissioners at a Tuesday meeting. The company said more than 200 have reported symptoms. More than 300 Americans, with about 50 Floridians, are on Zaandam and Rotterdam. Four children under 12 are on board.

Gov. Ron DeSantis said he expected a resolution Wednesday after speaking with President Donald Trump, but port authorities later said discussions between the company and officials over the terms of docking were ongoing and they did not expect to update Broward County commissioners on Wednesday as foreseen at the Tuesday meeting.

DeSantis maintained Florida’s health care system is stretched too thin to take on the ships’ coronavirus caseload, but he said he would accept the Florida residents on board.

“My concern is simply that we have worked so hard to make sure we have adequate hospital beds,” he said.

Trump had expressed sympathy toward the passengers on Tuesday.

“They’re dying on the ship,” Trump said. “I’m going to do what’s right. Not only for us, but for humanity.”

Passengers expressed their frustrations to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Andrea Anderson and her husband Rob coughed their way through a video chat from the Zandaam. Asked what she would say to Florida’s governor, Anderson said, “How would he feel if his mother was on this ship? Would he still be saying, ‘No they can’t dock?’”

Mary Beth Van Horn said she’s “terrified” for her brother Tom Brazier, 77, of Ocean Park, Washington, who went on the South American cruise with his wife before he was supposed to begin a new bone cancer treatment in April. They weren’t allowed to transfer to the Rotterdam with other apparently healthy people because they have portable CPAP machines and other mobility problems.

“He is afraid. Last time, he told me ‘I just don’t see how this could end well,’” she said.

For most people, the virus causes a fever and cough that can clear up in two to three weeks without hospitalization. Older adults and people with existing health problems are more likely to suffer severe illness and require oxygen to stay alive.

Under normal conditions, a ship can call on the Coast Guard to medically evacuate people too sick to be cared for on board.

Now a Coast Guard flight surgeon in the seventh district will decide if a transfer is absolutely necessary, but the cruise companies then would be responsible for arranging on-shore transportation and hospital beds.

“This is necessary as shore-side medical facilities may reach full capacity and lose the ability to accept and effectively treat additional critically-ill patients,” the memo said.

________________-

COMMENT: All these people need to take responsibility for their actions. They KNEW we were in a pandemic and that several times previously, people on cruise ships had contracted and spread the virus. There is even a travel warning against traveling on cruise ships. There should be consequences for their irresponsibility. How about putting them off on an uninhabited island. Erect a medical tent with volunteer medical staff paid for by the cruise lines and other tents for quarantine of individuals who are not ill.

The "Misery Loves Company" Fleet. Chartered by Petri Dishes Are Us, these opulently festooned vessels are just the things to celebrate your last days... You too, can enjoy yourselves, as your bodies are consumed with cytokine storms, ravaged by flu and pneumonia like symptoms, and the vast variety of food delicacies no longer have scent nor taste... With like un-minded individuals, you too, can be happy to make the front pages, as your carcass is either clad in basic black body bag, or is buried, tastefully, at sea...

Carcass of the Sea, soon to be launched, will be just the thing for those who have death wishes...

OA
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
I find it incredible that anyone would go on a cruise after the debacle in Japan with the Diamond Princess and the number of people that became infected. People have become so life loving that common sense has been lost and they will pay the price for their stupidity.

Sad.

Texican....
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Be Safe and Well, my friend. You're much needed, and will be vital to rebuilding in your AO, when this is all over... GOD Bless You and Yours,

OA

OA,

Thanks for the kind words.

I have one final trip into the little town to get fuel. There are no confirmed cases of the CCP Virus in our county, but the potential for individuals to be infected and not showing is large.

Be careful out there OA.

God bless you and yours.

The CCP Virus is changing the world and not for the better. America has fallen so far into sin, debauchery, drugs. attacks on Churches and Christians and the murder of tens of millions of unborn babies and even born babies. So many believe that this is ok. This has to be a stench that has reached God. How long will God allow this to continue? Punishment will start in America as was done to the Israelites multiple times. If we are not in the End Times, it is very close.

Pray and pray again.

May God help us.

Texican....
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Made a final trip this early morning to look for smoke and fire and none seen. The Forestry guys did their job very well.

The dogs are looking at me with with it is past time in there eyes to go to bed.

So off to bed and it is 2:10 am.

God bless and goodnight to all.

The sun will rise again in the morning.

Texican....
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
The CCP Virus is changing the world and not for the better. America has fallen so far into sin, debauchery, drugs. attacks on Churches and Christians and the murder of tens of millions of unborn babies and even born babies. So many believe that this is ok. This has to be a stench that has reached God. How long will God allow this to continue? Punishment will start in America as was done to the Israelites multiple times. If we are not in the End Times, it is very close.

Pray and pray again.

May God help us.

Texican....
The worst case number of dead in this situation falls far short of the number of aborted. Even in all of this, as bad as it may be, God is being extremely gracious and gentle compared to what we as a country deserve.

Shadow
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
(fair use applies)

Florida’s Governor Believes Miami Super Bowl May Have Prompted Coronavirus Outbreak
Warner Todd Huston
1 Apr 2020

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis said on Wednesday that he thinks the Wuhan virus was likely in circulation during Super Bowl LIV in Miami on Feb 2.

DeSantis noted that South Florida currently has the most cases of the COVID-19 strain, and with Miami in that area, it is likely that the influx of out-of-staters helped spread the virus in the region, ClickOrlando reported.

Roughly 62,000 fans attended the Super Bowl and likely many more visited in the area to take part in festivities even without going to the game.

“According to the latest numbers from state health officials, Miami-Dade had more than 1,900 cases of COVID-19, Broward County had 1,209 cases, Palm Beach County had more than 500 cases, and Monroe County had 26,” ClickOrlando reported.

“The numbers are pretty stark. I think this thing was circulating during the Super Bowl. Now, Miami’s rate of cases is a lot higher than statewide,” the governor said.

On Wednesday, DeSantis reversed his early decision over the virus and issued an Executive Order to urge Floridians to stay home as a virus-fighting measure.

“I’m going to be doing an executive order today directing all Floridians to limit movements, and personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or conduct essential activities,” the governor said Wednesday, according to the Washington Examiner.

DeSantis added that he issued his new order in accordance with advice from the federal government.

“It makes sense to make this move now,” DeSantis said, noting that he consulted with Trump on the policy.

“I did consult with folks in the White House. I did speak with the president about it, he agreed with the approach of focusing on the hot spots, but at the same time, he understood that this is another 30-day situation, and you have to do what makes the most sense,” DeSantis added.

#BREAKING: Gov. DeSantis is ordering ALL Floridians to stay at home unless performing essential activities. Executive order goes into effect Thursday night. pic.twitter.com/nyKD0UX4Eh
— Joel Franco (@OfficialJoelF) April 1, 2020
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Any validity to this article? Sorry if it's a repost.

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Here We Go Again: China Puts County On Lockdown After New Corona Cluster Emerges

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by Tyler Durden

Wed, 04/01/2020 - 12:47




China is no longer fixed.
Having lied for the past two months about the severity and the extent of coronavirus pandemic which its virologists started in Wuhan, eager to convey the message that the crisis "under control" just so people return to work, full of hope and enthusiasm, rejoicing at the surge in China's just as fabricated PMI numbers, and willing to work their asses off (with Beijing generously willing to risk everyone's lives as the alternative is a complete collapse in China's economy) earlier today the US finally cracked down on the relentless barrage of Chinese lies, when US intelligence accused China of deliberately lying about its coronavirus figures.
Then, in a miraculous coincidence, just moments later Reuters reported that a county in central China's Henan province announced on Wednesday it had "virtually banned all outbound movement of people, following several cases of coronavirus infection in the area."
According to a post on its social media account, Jia county - which has a population of about 600,000 - said that no one can travel out of Jia county without proper authorization. Additionally, residents are not allowed to leave their homes for work unless they have clearance to do so.



According to local media reports, on March 29, Henan Province broke its 30-day streak of reporting no new coronavirus cases, saying one person tested positive after a trip to Pingdingshan, where Jia County is located. Specifically, on Saturday, Henan province reported one confirmed case in Luohe city; local authorities said the infected person had been in contact with two doctors based in Jia county who later tested positive for the virus even though they had showed no symptoms.
As a result, Bloomberg adds that starting April 1, all residential compounds will be under "closed-off management" and all residents need to wear masks and have temperature taken entering or exiting the compounds.
And so the virus is back to China, despite the best intentions of the Chinese World Health Organization and its Beijing sponsors to make it seem that China had managed to defeat the virus.
Needless to say this is a problem, because the risk of stop-start restrictions on people’s movements mean that any calls for a V-shaped rebound in global economies and stocks can now be ignored as China will soon be forced to go through the entire shut down exercise all over again.

Indeed, as Bloomberg's Simon Flint wrote presciently overnight, "as China’s economy restarts, there is every risk infection rates to tick higher once again, requiring renewed control measures and potentially the beginning of a stop-start pattern of lockdowns followed by eased restrictions."

"Multiply that pattern by the growing number of countries in lockdown - and the unknown impact of a rampant virus in nations with fewer restrictions - and the much hoped for V-shaped recovery could quickly become a series of W’s"... and since "there is no blueprint for jump-starting a stalled economy in the midst of a global pandemic, a fresh waves of infections following production restarts could quickly snuff out any rally in global stocks."

In other words, back to square one we go, only maybe this time China will tell the truth.

Has been reported on Fox News tonight as well.
 

Doomer Doug

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He waited till he had lost all moral authority to be taken seriously by people. The historical judgment will be brutal on the people in charge and the decisions they made. Between China lying and making the disease spread faster, further and relatively undected, you have case after case, valencia in spain, new orleans Mardi gras, beaches in florida, texas, california events like festivals, super bowl etc we have brought this upon ourselves due to allowing the massing of people
 

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Coronavirus: The California Herd
By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
March 31, 2020 6:30 AM

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Brian Hackett, wearing a face mask and gloves, waits in line outside a Trader Joe’s in Napa, Calif., March 19, 2020. (Shannon Stapleton/Reuters)By now, California should be, as predicted in so many models, ground zero of infection.

The bluest state’s public officials have been warning for weeks that California will be overwhelmed, given federal-government unpreparedness and the purported inefficacy of the local, state, and federal governments.

California governor Gavin Newsom has assured his state that over half of the population — or, in his words, 56 percent — will soon be infected. That is, more than 25 million coronavirus cases are on the horizon, which, at the virus’s current fatality rate of 1–2 percent (the ratio of deaths to known positive cases), would mean that the state should anticipate 250,000–500,000 dead Californians in the near future. Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti predicted that this week Los Angeles would be short of all sorts of medical supplies as the epidemic killed many hundreds, as is the case in New York City.

It’s been well over two months since the first certified coronavirus case in the United States, so one might expect to see early symptoms of the apocalypse recently forecast by Governor Newsom. Yet a number of California’s top doctors, epidemiologists, statisticians, and biophysicists — including Stanford’s John Ioannides, Michael Levitt, Eran Bendavid, and Jay Bhattacharya — have expressed some skepticism about the bleak models predicting that we are on the verge of a statewide or even national lethal pandemic of biblical proportions.

The skeptics may be right. As of this moment, California’s cumulative fatalities attributed to coronavirus are somewhere over 140 deaths, in a state of 40 million. That toll is a relatively confirmable numerator (though coronavirus is not always the sole cause of death), as opposed to the widely unreliable denominator of caseloads (currently about 6,300 in the state) that are judged to be only a fraction of the population that has been tested. The Iceland study, for example, suggests that half of those who are infected show no symptoms. Currently, even with fluctuating statistics, California is suffering roughly about one death to the virus for every 250,000–300,000 of its residents.

The rate certainly will go up each hour, and no doubt in geometric fashion, as the virus spreads. Yet we should remember that California loses about 270,000 lives to all causes every year — meaning, on any given day, around 740 Californians die. So far there is no published clear evidence that in January, February, and March more Americans have died from pneumonia-related diseases than in an average year. Note too that not all deaths attributed to coronavirus are the work of COVID-19 alone; they are often accompanied by advanced age and serious chronic conditions that may have soon led to death without any accompanying viral infection.

In contrast, as of Monday morning, New York State, with about half of California’s population, has about eight to nine times the number of deaths, and 20 times the per capita rate, at 60 deaths per million residents. In fact, California has a much lower per capita death rate than many of the nation’s largest states; for that matter, its per capita death rate is similar to that of nations that so far have mysteriously escaped the virus’s modeled wrath. Currently, California has lost fewer than 4 people per million, roughly between South Korea’s 3 deaths per million and Germany’s 5, which are both being studied as outliers. Of course, statistics change hourly, but for now California’s data remain mysteries.

Even at this midpoint in the virus’s ascendance, most believed that California would be faring far worse. And they have good reason for such pessimism. California in a normal year usually experiences the greatest number of deaths associated with the flu in the United States, and it ranks about midway among the states in flu deaths per capita. The state was hit hard by influenza unusually early in the first weeks of November, including a strain that at the time was characterized as probably not “A” but a rarer “B” — and on occasion quite virulent. A typical news story related, in early 2020, “California health officials have identified 16 outbreaks since the start of the flu season Sept. 29. Flu cases, hospitalizations and flu deaths are all higher than anticipated, according to the health department.” Many Californians complained late in 2019 of getting the flu a bit early, with flu symptoms that were somewhat different from the norm, at times including severe muscle aches, some digestive cramping, an unproductive cough, and days or even weeks of post-fever fatigue.
Forty-million-person California, in normal times — that is, until around or shortly after February 1, 2020 — hosts dozens of daily direct flights from China in general to San Diego, SFO, LAX, and San Jose, and in particular, since 2014, several weekly nonstop flights from Wuhan. Of the nearly 15,000 passengers who were estimated to be arriving every day in the U.S. on flights from China in 2019 and 2020, the majority flew into California. After the ban, there were thousands of Chinese tourists who remained in California and could get neither direct nor indirect flights home to China.

Travel forecasts from China for 2020, even amid the trade war, had estimated more than 8,000 daily arrivals in California. Two years ago, Los Angeles mayor Garcetti bragged that 1.1 million Chinese tourists had visited L.A. — more than 3,000 per day. The greatest number of foreign tourists to Los Angeles are Chinese, and the city is the favorite spot in America of all visitors from China. During the months of October, November, January, and February alone — before the travel ban — perhaps nearly 1 million Chinese citizens arrived in California on direct and indirect flights originating in China.

Moreover, researchers in Italy believe that the Chinese were not telling the truth about the origins or birth dates of the virus; they argue that COVID-19 was first loose worldwide in the middle of Autumn 2019 rather than in Winter 2020. Reuters recently reported:
Adriano Decarli, an epidemiologist and medical statistics professor at the University of Milan, said there had been a “significant” increase in the number of people hospitalized for pneumonia and flu in the areas of Milan and Lodi between October and December last year. . . . He told Reuters he could not give exact figures but “hundreds” more people than usual had been taken to hospital in the last three months of 2019 in those areas — two of Lombardy’s worst hit cities — with pneumonia and flu-like symptoms, and some of those had died. . . . Decarli is reviewing the hospital records and other clinical details of those cases, including people who later died at home, to try to understand whether the new coronavirus epidemic had already spread to Italy back then. . . .

“We want to know if the virus was already here in Italy at the end of 2019, and — if yes — why it remained undetected for a relatively long period so that we could have a clearer picture in case we have to face a second wave of the epidemic,” he said.

In a recent Oxford study, a heterodox hypothesis was offered questioning the widely circulated study of Neil Ferguson, an epidemiologist with Imperial College London. He and his team had offered a worst-case projection of as many as 2.2 million American and 510,000 British deaths. Ferguson has now emphasized the low-end estimates of death rates in some of his modeling, for example, suggesting that maybe only 20,000 in Britain may die from the virus, given how Britain has taken actions to curb and treat it. In any case, other models from the Oxford authors offer far less pessimistic hypothetical scenarios. In one, they suggest that viral infections in the U.K. might have begun almost 40 days before March 5, which was the first confirmed death there. If that is true, they argue, then to square the current figures of transmission, perhaps 68 percent of the British population would have had to be already infected by at least March 19 — reflecting a herd immunity that will radically curtail future transmission. Of course, without widespread antibody testing alongside testing for current infections, no one knows the number of past and present infections. Regardless, the Chinese notion that the world was not seriously infected until mid February increasingly seems mathematically unlikely.

In the case of California, again, unfortunately, the state still should have had many things going against it, at least in terms of susceptibility to any pandemic infection that curbs its huge tourist and commercial travel with China. The state has the nation’s highest poverty rate (affecting over 20 percent of the population, or some 8 million people); the greatest number of homeless people, at somewhere over 150,000; and the most residents in the nation on some form of public assistance, one-third of the nation’s total.

Over a quarter of the state’s population was not born in the U.S. Until recent bans, many frequently went to and from their countries of origin. It has the largest number of non-English speakers in the U.S., suggesting that public dissemination of key information might become far more problematic.

The state is not especially healthy and rarely rates among the top ten states in terms of per capita health, by whichever metrics one uses. A decade ago, studies suggested that one in three admissions of those over 35 to California hospitals were suffering from either diabetes or pre-diabetes — a known risk factor for coronavirus patients.

California ranks near the bottom when we count the number of available hospital beds per 1,000 population, at about 1.8. Likewise, its number of active doctors per 100,000 is similarly unimpressive, about midway among state rankings, at 276 per 100,000 — versus Massachusetts’s high of 450 and Mississippi’s low of 191. In most surveys of nurses per 100,000 population, California ranks near last (664).

How, then, has California in the third month of known COVID-19 infections in the U.S. lost between 140 and 150 lives to it?

Again, a number of experts have offered hypotheses. Is it a question of the statistical anomaly — as some have suggested is the case for Germany, which similarly posts few total deaths from the virus — given differences in how countries and perhaps even states record the chief causation of death (i.e., are some places listing COVID-19 as the cause of death, even when the decedent suffered from underlying chronic conditions)? Is California experiencing a brief lull, in the fashion of Japan, which likewise has suffered few deaths so far but may be poised to suffer far more?

Is there a lag in ascertaining and determining deaths in a state that’s geographically huge and linguistically diverse, a lapse that will shortly cease, correcting such misimpressions with a radical increase in corona-associated deaths — as is now forecast for Japan and to a lesser extent Germany?

Did California’s Draconian shelter-in-place policies that antedated many of those in other states simply arrest (so far) what should have been by now a lethal epidemic?

Did California’s proverbial warmer weather slow down the virus? Did its suburban ranch-home lifestyle and the large open spaces in the Central Valley, Sierra Nevada, desert and northern counties make transmissions harder than it has been in, say, the high-density living of New York City?

Maybe and maybe not.

While testing tardiness might explain outliers in terms of California’s relatively small number of proven cases and lethality rates, it would not greatly affect accurate statistics of deaths attributed to the virus. If anything, as the number of known cases grows, the lower the lethality rate will likely appear.

While California adopted shelter-in-place policies on March 19, other states did the same about the same time. And visiting a California Costco on any Saturday morning is a reminder of current mob frenzies. After a near-record dry and warm January and February, the state has been unseasonably cold and wet for most of March during the epidemic’s spike. True, California encompasses an enormous area, but it also is home to the country’s largest population and thus still ranks about eleventh in population density among the states.

Some districts in San Francisco and Los Angeles are as densely populated as East Coast cities.

One less-mentioned hypothesis is that California, as a front-line state, may have rather rapidly developed a greater level of herd immunity than other states, given that hints, anecdotes, and some official indications from both China and Italy that, again, the virus may well have been spreading abroad far earlier than the first recorded case in the U.S. —and likely from the coasts inward.

So given the state’s unprecedented direct air access to China, and given its large expatriate and tourist Chinese communities, especially in its huge denser metropolitan corridors in Los Angeles and the Bay Area, it could be that what thousands of Californians experienced as an unusually “early” and “bad” flu season might have also reflected an early coronavirus epidemic, suggesting that many more Californians per capita than in other states may have acquired immunity to the virus.

Here in Fresno County (1.1 million people), we are warned daily that we are the next hot spot. But as of late March, we’ve had no recorded deaths and only 41 known cases. The figure will no doubt multiply rapidly and geometrically, but it still seems incomprehensible that not a single death was attributed to the virus in its first 60 days of visitation. I live near the Kings County line in rural Fresno County (which is not so rural anymore, given urban sprawl from greater Fresno). There have been two recorded cases and no deaths among the county’s more than 150,000 residents.

We won’t know the answers until antibody testing becomes widespread enough to determine who has already been infected, and who carried the virus without symptoms, and who wrongly attributed symptoms to the flu or a bad cold. Or epidemiologists will have to go over average daily pre-coronavirus death rates in California to determine whether, in comparison with past years, the state had any per capita spikes in deaths in October, November, December, and January, or an increase in hospitalizations attributed to the flu.

In the meantime, for a few days at least, we are left with the California paradox. As with the apparent outliers of Germany, South Korea, and Japan, it reminds us that there are endless known unknowns about the origins, lethality, infectiousness, and patterns of travel of the coronavirus — and that today’s latest frightening statistical model is often superseded tomorrow by more realistic appraisals and theories, and then again rendered naïve by even more frightening new backlash models. Until now, without either widespread antibody or current-infection testing, the number of people who die from the virus in comparison to a given population base is about all we can rely on to determine the lethality of the disease. And in that regard, at least for a few days or weeks longer, California remains a mystery.

[I was commenting to my daughter that my grand daughter's "really bad flu" with coughing and fever that lasted for about 10 days about 5 weeks ago may turn out to have been a dance with COVID 19. She tested positive for one of the flus, but it was early in the COVID cycle and she may have had both, as they didn't test for that. Others in the family had mild cases.]
 
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Altura Ct.

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The % of the population killed by a disease certainly does matter when you are trying to measure how bad another disease is.

I don't think I agree with what you are saying here but I guess it depends on what you mean by 'bad'. I think you are inferring that just because the numbers(deaths) may not or won't match up that this disease is neither as virulent nor deadly? Is that what you are saying? If so, that is like saying that medical practices or advances in medicine and overall knowledge are not a factor. But maybe you mean the overall affect on society and that may be true but it remains to be seen.
 
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Former CA governor Arnold Schwarzenegger delivers a cargo of 50,000 N-95 masks in Los Angeles | Daniel Ketchell

Former CA governor Arnold Schwarzenegger delivers a cargo of 50,000 N-95 masks in Los Angeles | Daniel Ketchell

Schwarzenegger: 'Shortsighted' for California to defund pandemic stockpile he built

By CARLA MARINUCCI

03/31/2020 09:41 PM EDT

OAKLAND — Former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told POLITICO on Tuesday it was "shortsighted" for California leaders to abandon a $200 million emergency preparedness effort he initiated in 2006 to deal with a future pandemic, as the state now scrambles to prepare for a surge in coronavirus cases.

When the state budget swelled 14 years ago, Schwarzenegger launched a surge capacity stockpile that included mobile hospitals and medical gear intended to prepare California for a situation like it is facing today. With the state facing a $26 billion deficit in 2011, Gov. Jerry Brown and state lawmakers withdrew funding to maintain the supplies, according to an investigative report last week by Reveal and the Los Angeles Times.

As public servants, “our ultimate responsibility is not just to make a budget balance, but to save lives,’’ Schwarzenegger responded for the first time Tuesday in a phone interview. He said that when the bird flu emerged in 2006, he was deeply concerned about having sufficient supplies in California to handle potential disasters like infectious disease outbreaks and major earthquakes that could kill hundreds of thousands.

"I thought we have to be prepared — because we are the fifth largest economy in the world,'' he said.

The former governor on Tuesday never specifically mentioned or criticized Brown, his successor.

"Yes, there was a budget crunch ... it’s easy for them to just look at the numbers, but not really to visualize disaster," Schwarzenegger said of the 2011 cuts, which eviscerated the emergency medical program. "They obviously made their judgments to take those expenditures out ... and to worry about a few million dollars.”

"Would I have done it? No," Schwarzenegger said. "But I understand that every governor and every administration looks at those things differently."

Schwarzenegger spoke to POLITICO after a trip to Los Angeles hospitals Tuesday, where he personally delivered a cargo of 50,000 masks to doctors on the front lines of the pandemic — a move to underscore his support of the Frontline Responders Fund. The former governor has donated $1 million to the GoFundMe effort to raise money for desperately needed equipment during the Covid-19 crisis.

The cause, which has raised $5 million to date, has also been backed by Twitter’s Jack Dorsey, angel investor Ron Conway and Hollywood luminaries like Edward Norton.

The equipment was procured by the Bay Area-based logistics firm Flexport, which last week delivered 60,000 surgical masks, 34,000 gloves, 2,000 surgical gowns and 50 thermometers to San Francisco’s Department of Public Health, TechCrunch reported.

Schwarzenegger, asked about President Donald Trump’s performance during the pandemic, declined to criticize him, saying the first goal is to to tackle the pandemic. But he allowed that “the federal government has not been as quick in their response as they could have been."

"The thing is, did you learn from your mistakes?" he said. "And did you admit your weaknesses? ... Because the way you improve is by just acknowledging, 'OK, you know, this is a screw-up, or I made a mistake there.' And [to say], 'This would never happen again.'"

Schwarzenegger said he has also been in regular touch with California Gov. Gavin Newsom, whom he gave high marks for the pandemic response — especially, he said, Newsom's early order to shelter in place, which may have saved lives.

“I think that he did a terrific job to be on top of it — and to stay on top of it,’’ he said. “Whatever he needs me to do, I’ll do ... I want to support him."

But Schwarzenegger, who has been posting daily messages on Twitter about staying healthy and engaged during the pandemic, warned that now it’s critical that Californians must act on their own, volunteer or give to causes that will help give doctors what they need at this critical time.

California residents must recognize that "government can only do so much," he said. "At the end of the day ... it goes back to people power. And 'we the people' have the power to do our share — and just stay home."
 

Doomer Doug

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We are dealing with the instant gratification crowd here. They have great difficulty in comprehending life is not like a tv show, in defined chunks, easily understood. Patience is not an American virtue. We expect, like desert storm to last 96 hours and be done with it. The concept California is facing a pandemic that will come in stages and lost for weeks/months is beyond them. We are essentially ONE month into a pandemic that may be endemic, come in cycles and easily have the first wave last till july 4th. And all the americans expect it to be over in a week or so because they are bored. This article will have major historical significance though. The same day this guy came out with the no big deal meme is the same day Los Angeles reported 5nhomeless types died from the virus. 500 years from now this guy, if he is remembered at all, will be seen as totally misunderstanding what was coming his way. The 5bdead homeless will be seen as the beginning of los angeles angst.
 

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US warns time running out for virus evacuations

AFP
April 1, 2020


French nationals being evacuated in New Delhi await a bus to take them to Indira Gandhi International Airport on March 30, 2020, amid a nationwide lockdown

French nationals being evacuated in New Delhi await a bus to take them to Indira Gandhi International Airport on March 30, 2020, amid a nationwide lockdown (AFP Photo/SAJJAD HUSSAIN)

Washington (AFP) - The United States warned Wednesday that it may soon not be able to repatriate additional citizens caught overseas in the coronavirus pandemic after bringing home more than 30,000.

"If you are on the beach when an earthquake strikes, you wouldn't just stand there waiting for the coming tsunami; you would head for higher ground immediately," senior State Department official Ian Brownlee said.

"Well, in this case, the earthquake has happened," he told reporters. "It's time to seek higher ground now, and not hope for a rescue later."

Brownlee said that the United States has brought home some 31,000 citizens from more than 60 countries, with the highest demand for evacuations from South Asia and Central and South America.

After arranging 350 flights, the United States has another 80 scheduled but has received word from another 24,000 Americans that they may seek repatriation.

"There's no guarantee the Department of State will be able to continue to provide repatriation assistance and transportation options from many countries to the US may become unavailable in the future, even in a few weeks' time," he said.

The State Department has warned citizens that they may be stranded indefinitely overseas unless they come home immediately as countries impose stringent entry restrictions and airlines drastically cut flights.

US officials have advised citizens to seek commercial flights when available but has been arranging air transport from countries where none are available.

Some 20 million US citizens lived overseas before the crisis, meaning that the vast majority have chosen to stay put.
 

marsh

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NAVAJO NATION UPDATE: 40 NEW CASES REPORTED – BRINGS TOTAL TO 214 CONFIRMED OF COVID-19 CASES

BY LEVI RICKERT / CURRENTS / 01 APR 2020
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A temporary medical center was set up with 58 beds; similar to FEMA beds used after natural disasters.
Published April 1, 2020


WINDOW ROCK, Ariz. — The Navajo Nation has 214 confirmed cases of coronavirus, an increase of 40 from Tuesday, the Navajo Nation reported Wednesday evening.

There remains a total of seven confirmed deaths related to COVID-

“We’re two weeks into this pandemic and we need many more test kits, we need testing labs in our communities so we can get results much quicker. The public needs to be mindful that these numbers are going to continue to increase if every family, every individual does not follow the advice of health care experts. We’re working around the clock to get the word out, but ultimately, it’s the decision of every individual. Stay home, stay safe, save lives!” President Jonathan Nez said.

The 214 cases include the following counties on the Navajo Nation:
Navajo County, AZ: 97
Apache County, AZ: 22

Coconino County, AZ: 49
McKinley County, NM: 14
San Juan County, NM: 22
Cibola County, NM: 3
San Juan County, UT: 7

On Tuesday, President Nez issued another Executive Order extending the closure of the Executive Branch until April 26, except for essential personnel to continue essential services. The order also urged the Navajo Nation Board of Education to close schools on the Navajo Nation for the remainder of the academic year. The Navajo Nation Board of Education voted 8-0 to approve a resolution directing the closure of schools for the rest of the school year.

The Navajo Nation’s daily curfew remains in effect from 8:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. until further notice. The curfew does not apply to essential employees reporting to or from duty, with official identification and/or a letter of designation from their essential business employer on official letterhead which includes a contact for verification.


For more information including reports, helpful prevention tips, and more resources, please visit the Navajo Department of Health’s COVID-19 website at COVID-19. To contact the main Navajo Health Command Operations Center, please call (928) 871-7014.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
everyone alive today is descended from ancestors that survived the 1918 Spanish Flu.
If they had not survived, you wouldn't be here

My grandpa had it while he was in WW1 .... never made out into actual front lines because he was so sick. He was never “right” after that.... he developed a kind of early dementia with “psychotic paranoid features” that made his behavior..... legendary, shall we say(?)...in the small town he lived in and where I was born.

(Mixin, Im positive you know where New Palestine is!)
The poor man was always carrying his old shotgun everywhere, causing a ruckus. Accusing randomly of being spied on, all sorts of paranoia.
People poked at him to get a rise. I loved him though.

Around me he was gentle as a lamb. We took walks together around the property, looked at his very large rock garden, he gave me his gross, stale, year old candy he had hoarded, but I thought he was the berries.

I wrote my very first, high school essay about him.
Mom always said they thought it was the high fever that damaged part of his brain.
 
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Ronald Reagan Library in desperate need of donations due to coronavirus
Published 1 day ago
Updated 16 hours ago
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SIMI VALLEY, Calif. - The Ronald Reagan Library and Museum is asking for help during this coronavirus pandemic.

The Simi Valley facility has been closed since mid-March, depriving it of much-needed cash since it's not federally funded.



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In a letter to members, the executive director says the place is bleeding about $150,000 weekly.

They say that without a quick infusion of cash donations, the library and museum won't survive.
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Any amount will be appreciated, the executive director said.
For more information or to donate, visit https://www.reaganfoundation.org.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
NCGirl, I don't mean to scare you, but if you talked to him up close and in person last week, he may have already had the virus then and just wasn't showing symptoms. Have you worked through the dates yet? Adding my prayers for your neighbor and for you as well. PS - I agree about Rush being irresponsible. I blame it on chemo brain but someone should tell him to knock it off, that he's actually hurting people.

HD


I thought of that after I heard but we were outdoors and a good 8'-10' apart at least as he was on the mower so I hopefully am fine. I guess if you are letting anyone at all on your property, even if you keep a but if a distance, it's always still a risk.
 

marsh

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Professors Push Back On Pandemic Models: Be Honest About What Happens After Lockdowns Are Lifted

By James BarrettDailyWire.com
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A recently posted op-ed by two professors — an associate professor of Mathematics at Carnegie Mellon University and an assistant professor of Molecular Biology at the University of Pittsburgh — calls for greater “honesty in pandemic modeling,” which, they suggest, too often conceals the fact that after lock-downs and other extreme social distancing measures are lifted, the number of infections will rapidly rise again.

The problem, Carnegie Mellon’s Wesley Pegden and Pittsburgh’s Maria Chikina explain in an analysis posted on Medium Sunday, is that many of the models that have been shaping the narrative on COVID-19 mitigation efforts only present “the effects of mitigations over a limited time-frame,” when “most of the impact of the epidemic would occur outside of that time-frame.” In so doing, the models appear to show that extreme social distancing measures for a given period of time will save a large number of lives, but they often fail to show what happens after the measures are lifted (emphasis theirs):
There is a simple truth behind the problems with these modeling conclusions. The duration of containment efforts does not matter, if transmission rates return to normal when they end, and mortality rates have not improved. This is simply because as long as a large majority of the population remains uninfected, lifting containment measures will lead to an epidemic almost as large as would happen without having mitigations in place at all.
The professors acknowledge that there can be real benefits in using mitigations efforts as a form of “delay tactic.” “For example, we may hope to use the months we buy with containment measures to improve hospital capacity, in the hopes of achieving a reduction in the mortality rate,” they write. “We might even wish to use these months just to consider our options as a society and formulate a strategy.”

However, they argue, “mitigations themselves are not saving lives in these scenarios; instead, it is what we do with the time that gives us an opportunity to improve the outcome of the epidemic” (emphasis theirs).

In their analysis, the professors point to a few popular examples of models claiming to show extreme social distancing measures, including lock-downs, saving a large number of lives. One of these is a recent model publicized by Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times. The overarching message of the model is that “social distancing for 2 months instead of 2 weeks could dramatically drop the number of COVID-19 infections,” Chikina and Pegden write.

But what happens when you look at the number of infections in the months after the window of time shown in the model? By October, the professors calculated, Kristof’s model would show a 50% increase in the number of infections if no extreme measures had been imposed in the first place:
Two months of mitigations have not improved the outcome of the epidemic in this model, it has just delayed its terrible effects. In fact, because of the role of weather in the model presented in the Kristof article, two months of mitigations actually results in 50% more infections and deaths than two weeks of mitigations, since it pushes the peak of the epidemic to the winter instead of the summer, whose warmer months this model assumes causes lower transmission rates.
The professors found the same pattern of simply pushing the spike in cases forward in their own models on “epidemic trajectories for COVID-19 assuming no mitigations at all, or assuming extreme mitigations which are gradually lifted at 6 months, to resume normal levels at 1 year” (graphs below via Chikina and Pegden):

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With no mitigations we see nearly 500,000 deaths relatively quickly.

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With mitigations which let up between 6 months and a year we still see nearly 500,000 deaths, just later.

“Unfortunately, extreme mitigation efforts which end (even gradually) reduce the number of deaths only by 1% or so;” they write, “as the mitigation efforts let up, we still see a full-scale epidemic, since almost none of the population has developed immunity to the virus.”

So is short-term modeling useless and are mitigation efforts only delaying the inevitable? No, the professors explain, but both need to be presented and approached with honesty and transparency:
In particular, we suggest that no model whose purpose is to study the overall benefits of mitigations should end at a time-point before a steady-state is reached. This is not the same as saying that modelers must assume that the epidemic remains a threat until herd immunity is reached. Indeed, it is perfectly reasonable to model the effects of mitigation strategies if we assume that a vaccine will be available in 18 months, or that mortality 6 months from now could be reduced by new treatments, or that hospital capacity might be increased with the time bought by mitigations. But these are all assumptions that can and should be made explicit and quantitative in a model that attempts to estimate effects on overall mortality. Without making assumptions explicit, it is impossible to debate whether they are reasonable, or to estimate the sensitivity of the model’s conclusions.

[Comment: This is what scares me about Trump. Just today, he repeated that it will all be over soon in a month or so after the peak is reached and we go back down the other side until shelter in place is no longer necessary. I don't think he is letting it sink in that everyone is going to get this until immunity is reached by having had it, or by vaccine. Everything else is treatment - even antibody therapy. They can only hope to make the symptoms tolerable and survivable as the peaks climb over and over.]
 
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