CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I have noted some criticism of the nature of the above poster's comments.

IMHO ...

Do not ignore the above comments.

We are entering uncharted waters.

If you mean me.. Not criticism. But I admit that for whatever reason I feel anxious when I read his posts...
 
Italian medical chief dies from coronavirus
From Helena de Moura

Italy’s medical community is mourning the death of the head of the medical association in the northern Italian region of Varese, Italy’s state-run ANSA reported Wednesday.

Roberto Stella, president of the Medical Guild of Varese, died Tuesday night in Como, where the 67-year-old was hospitalized for respiratory failure due to coronavirus, the agency reported.

In a statement, Italy’s National Federation of Doctors and General Practitioners mourned Stella’s death, highlighting his contributions on a national level. They added that they hope the government will take notice of the dangers Italian doctors and nurses are facing.

“He was the example of the capability and hard work of family doctors,” said Silvestro Scotti, national secretary of the federation, said in a statement released Wednesday.
“His death represents the outcry of all colleagues who still today are not equipped with the proper individual protection needed."
Stella was a well-respected general practitioner both at the local and national level.


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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
THIS


WILL

DESTROY


NATIONS,

AS THE PEOPLE LOSE FAITH IN THE GVTS. THAT RUN THEM.

THE GIBMEDATS AND DINDOONUFFINS, as well as the usual miscreant youths and hair on Fire liberals, antifa... etcetera ...

Are going to lose their minds in the panic of what is coming.

All I can say, is when they say this or that area is now u under QUARRANTINE, and martial medical law rules dictate they take guns for everyone's safety....

Shit show

Students are already rioting at some university in Florida because TPTB there sent them home until further notice.
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
Yeah, this is as fugly as I've ever seen it. Instead of Congress getting together and doing something like a payroll tax holiday and the other economic suggestions to get us through this they are going to go on spring break. Pretty amazing.

And you're surprised how? That's been their MO for the last 3 years, no, I take that back - for at least the last 10. Doesn't matter who is in office, they just don't want to deal with reality.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Dead / Total cases

I think we look at this different. The only numbers that matter to me are dead or cured. The others must reach one of those but have not yet. When they do we will see which way they will go
 

jward

passin' thru
Yeah, this is as fugly as I've ever seen it. Instead of Congress getting together and doing something like a payroll tax holiday and the other economic suggestions to get us through this they are going to go on spring break. Pretty amazing.

I've always said they help me best when they get out of the way and do not attempt to "help me"
...i for one am glad.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Marsh--another Marcia here--Please keep up the great work you have done.
I don't mind posting. I just want an official reprieve from the mods on having to post a summary. I try and hit the video links first thing to share the regulars and the press conferences. I will watch them myself at my leisure during the day. Late at night, I hit the news wrap ups and audit other tangential features like tech. or foreign developments.

If I had to sit and watch them through and post cliff notes on everything beyond the title, I just can't do it. With the volume and timing, it just isn't worth it to share any more. Too much effort, too little time to keep it fresh
 

Allotrope

Inactive
Well, this thread is not yet two months old and has woven a tapestry unseen in our lifetimes. The Guess Who, The Who, and Dr. Who all have more credibility than the Whirled Health Organization. Rush was again beating the drum of “this virus is over-hyped and not a big deal”. He is currently immune-compromised so may not regret his stance later. The DOW and S&P have entered Bear Market territory and it is only Wednesday. Things are moving fast.

I was at Walmart today (West Central Indiana), and a man in front of me was getting a lot of stares. He was wearing a face mask, full goggles, thick rubber gloves, and had a cart full of bleach and other such supplies. A few weeks from now, that may not seem as unusual although I hope it will be. It is not always a good feeling that you are prepared and can sit back and view the carnage as a spectator sport but, it is better than the alternative.
 

jward

passin' thru
Mark Knoller


@markknoller

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3m

Banking Groups invited to Coronavirus meeting with
@POTUS
: -America Bankers Association
-Bank of America
-Blackstone
-Citadel
-Citi
-Consumer Bankers Assn
-Goldman Sachs
-Independent Community Bankers of America
-JPMorgan Chase
-Truist Financial
-U.S. Bank
-Wells Fargo
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I been listening to Rush since the first day he was on the radio here, But today, his whole show is dont worry. all the rreasons he comes up with . are things I think are not real. I really believe the Govnt told him to down play it to avoid panic,

when Rush says something , people react.

Years ago, to prove a point,he told listeners to call congress and complain about something, dont remember what, but he totally shut down the house and senate phone system, along with the white house phones, and most other govnt agancies.

he did it to show them he hadnt been trying to do that , he said" they have been acusing him of doing that , and he wanted to show them what would happen if he actually did it ,

but now he is really down playing it down

This may not necessarily be a bad thing, from what I'm seeing on social media the MSM has the sheep whipped up into a frenzy. Taking the calm fatherly position of hanging back a bit, observing the herd, and telling everyone to take a deep breath is what we need at the moment.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
The women at the nail salon were going in and out with face masks on today. Saw them as I was sitting in the car. Must have been the workers there.

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Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
This CNN crap about the White House lying has no place on this string.

Quite the contrary Mike. I would hope all of us could agree that this string might help us separate fact from fiction.

The CNN article lists some of Trumps false statements and contrasts his statements with reality. You may not like it, but no one has contested the points made by CNN.
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Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't mind posting. I just want an official reprieve from the mods on having to post a summary. I try and hit the video links first thing to share the regulars and the press conferences. I will watch them myself at my leisure during the day. Late at night, I hit the news wrap ups and audit other tangential features like tech. or foreign developments.

If I had to sit and watch them through and post cliff notes on everything beyond the title, I just can't do it. With the volume and timing, it just isn't worth it to share any more. Too much effort, too little time to keep it fresh

Sweetheart, you just keep doing what you do and I'll keep hitting the like button. You have to have a sweet heart to keep doing this service for your fellow TBers and I thank you for every post.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Quite the contrary Mike. I would hope all of us could agree that this string might help us separate fact from fiction.

The CNN article lists some of Trumps false statements and contrasts his statements with reality. You may not like it, but no one has contested the points made by CNN.
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Honestly, I don't give a SHIT about anyone's politics right now. What matters is action. If scoring political points is the objective it can go in the damned trash.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
National security adviser says China "covered up" the initial outbreak of coronavirus that cost the world two months of response time to this pandemic

By Melissa Quinn
March 11, 2020 / 12:42 PM / CBS News

National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien Talks Protecting the United States (53:42)
View: https://youtu.be/ENxG80iLdpE?t=1184

Washington
— National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien suggested Wednesday that China "covered up" the initial outbreak of the coronavirus, delaying an effective global response by two months.

During an event at the Heritage Foundation on Wednesday, O'Brien reiterated that the coronavirus did not originate in the United States but rather started "some time ago" in Wuhan, China.

"Unfortunately, rather than using best practices, this outbreak in Wuhan was covered up," O'Brien said. "There's lots of open-source reporting from China, from Chinese nationals, that the doctors involved were either silenced or put in isolation or that sort of thing, so that the word of this virus could not get out."

As a result of those actions by the Chinese government, "it probably cost the world community two months to respond," as health officials from the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could have been on the ground sooner, he said.

"I think we could have dramatically curtailed what happened, both in China and what's now happening across the world," O'Brien added.

The coronavirus has since spread to more than 100 countries. In the U.S., the number of confirmed cases has topped 1,000 and the death toll is 32.

O'Brien commended President Trump for his "bold" and "courageous" action, including travel restrictions on people entering the U.S. from China. He said the move bought the U.S. six to eight weeks to prepare for the virus. But he said the Chinese government should have responded differently when the first cases were reported.

"In a way that this started out in China, the way it was handled from the outset was not right," he said. "It should have been handled differently, but we are where we are right now."

O'Brien's criticisms of the Chinese government echo comments from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo last week, who told CNBC in an interview Friday that China put the U.S. "behind the curve" in responding to the outbreak.

"Remember, this is the Wuhan coronavirus that's caused this, and the information that we got at the front end of this thing wasn't perfect and has led us now to a place where much of the challenge we face today has put us behind the curve," he said.

Pompeo added that obtaining data on the illness from the Chinese government "will ultimately be the solution to both getting the vaccine and attacking this risk," and said there was information the Chinese could have shared with world health officials faster.

To combat the spread of the coronavirus, local and state health officials have canceled schools in some areas and called off large-scale gatherings. Many private employers have told workers to work from home.

While Mr. Trump signed a $8.3 billion emergency funding package to respond to the coronavirus last week, the Trump administration is also weighing measures to provide economic relief to businesses and industries impacted by the virus and workers.

Olivia Gazis contributed reporting.

Translation: Damage control. We need a scapegoat to blame this FUBAR situation on. How about China?
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Entire multicampus Univ of Maine system just ordered all students to plan on moving out of campus end of week; all classes will now be online. Parents are pissed.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
The only way to know if the Brazil nuts have the required amount of Selenium is to test them. If the soil the tree is grown in is Selenium deficient, the nuts will be also. Eat more than the suggested dose and the body will throw off what Selenium it doesn't need.

Raw is better. Roasted will reduce the amount of Selenium available.

Medical Definition of Selenium poisoning
  • Medical Author: William C. Shiel Jr., MD, FACP, FACR
  • Selenium poisoning: Selenium posioning may be acute (short-term) or chronic (long-term). The effects of acute selenium poisoning depend upon the route of exposure.
Acute inhalation exposure to selenium (usually in the form of selenium dioxide or hydrogen selenide) primarily results in respiratory effects with irritation of the mucous membranes in the nose and throat, producing coughing, nosebleeds, dyspnea (difficulty breathing), bronchial spasms, bronchitis, and chemical pneumonia. There may also be gastrointestinal effects including vomiting and nausea; cardiovascular effects; neurological effects such as headaches and malaise; and irritation of the eyes.
Acute oral exposure to selenium compounds results in pulmonary edema and lesions of the lung; cardiovascular effects such as tachycardia; gastrointestinal effects including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain; effects on the liver; and neurological effects such as aches, irritability, chills, and tremors.
Chronic (long-term) exposure to high levels of selenium in food and water results in discoloration of the skin, deformation and loss of nails, reversible loss of hair (baldness), excessive tooth decay and discoloration, a garlic odor to the breath, weakness, lack of mental alertness, and listlessness.

How much selenium do I need?

While too little selenium can cause serious health problems, too much selenium can also be toxic. Follow these guidelines from the National Institutes of Health to determine how much selenium is right for you:
AgeRecommended daily amount of selenium
Over 14 years55 mcg
9 to 13 years40 mcg
4 to 8 years30 mcg
7 months to 3 years20 mcg
Birth to 6 months15 mcg

Women who are pregnant or lactating need up to 60 mcg of selenium per day.
Keep reading to learn which foods provide the most selenium.

1. Brazil nuts

Brazil nuts are one of the best sources of selenium. One ounce, or about six to eight nuts, contains about 544 mcg. Make sure you only eat a serving of Brazil nuts a few times a week to avoid selenium toxicity.
A single Brazil nut contains 68 to 91 micrograms (mcg) of selenium, meaning that just one nut per day can provide the daily recommended adult allowance of 55 mcg.
The hard-walled fruits are spherical pods, 8–18 cm (3–7 inches) in diameter, that resemble large coconuts hanging at the ends of the tree’s thick branches. A typical 15-cm (6-inch) pod can weigh up to 2.3 kg (5 pounds) and contains 12–24 nuts, or seeds, that are arranged like the sections of an orange.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
Too late for what? Precisely what would have changed if they had?
It could have encouraged governments to take this more seriously. But then again maybe nothing would have changed.
In my preparations, nothing would have changed
 

Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
Honestly, I don't give a SHIT about anyone's politics right now. What matters is action. If scoring political points is the objective it can go in the damned trash.

Merely scoring points is not the objective of the noted CNN article. The artcile successfully dispelled some Trump lies. Those lies MUST be called out lest the uninformed make life threatening decisions based upon lies.

Every article critical of Trump is not merely political. Some serve a life saving purpose... as did this article.
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
Jackpine Savage said:
Thank you for that heads up. Ideally I wouldn't take this stuff without talking to my Doctor. But, it could very well be that it isn't available locally, or a local Doctor wouldn't risk writing a script.


I wouldn't think any doctor would write a script for it, unless you actually needed it. My doctor labels it a "high risk" drug, simply for the eye damage it can do. Talking to your doctor would be best.

What I don't know is how doctors will treat or be allowed to treat patients. South Korea is recommending Chloroquine. Will the US allow it before they do a double blind study? How long will that take? If it gets to the point they just send you home because the hospital is full, is it worth a try? So I say 'Doc, I have this medicine to try, what should I watch for?'

Or Chloroquine is no longer available from the Pharmacy
 
How the Biogen leadership conference in Boston spread the coronavirus

Updated March 10, 2020, 8:52 p.m.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03...ence-boston-spread-coronavirus/#bgmp-comments
A total of 70 coronavirus infections in the state have been traced to the Biogen leadership conference at the Boston Marriott Long Wharf.
A total of 70 coronavirus infections in the state have been traced to the Biogen leadership conference at the Boston Marriott Long Wharf.David L. Ryan/Globe Staff

This story was reported by Andy Rosen, Hanna Krueger, Kay Lazar, Jonathan Saltzman, Liz Kowalczyk, and Mark Arsenault of the Globe staff. It was written by Arsenault.

It opened with breakfast, at 7 a.m., in the Harbor View Ballroom of the Boston Marriott Long Wharf hotel, where a wide bank of windows offers a sublime view across the inner harbor, steel gray on a cloudy morning, to Logan Airport in the distance.
About 175 executives were expected at the Biogen leadership conference on Feb. 26. Employees from Biogen locations around the United States and the world reunited with colleagues they don’t often get to see
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They greeted each other enthusiastically, with handshakes and hugs, and then caught up over breakfast, picking from plates of pastries and the self-serve hot food bar. They were there for two days of discussions and presentations about the future of the Cambridge-based, multinational biotech firm, which develops therapies for neurological diseases. It was the kind of under-the-radar gathering that happens in this region just about every week.

Within days, though, the Biogen conference would be infamous, identified as an epicenter of the Massachusetts outbreak of Covid-19, with 70 of 92 coronavirus infections in the state linked to the conference as of Tuesday night, including employees and those who came into contact with them. That doesn’t include a cascade of individual cases in Tennessee, North Carolina, Indiana, New Jersey, Washington, D.C., and Norway, and suspected cases in Germany, Austria, and Argentina.

The virus raced through this two-day conference at a frightening speed that state health officials and company executives were unable to match. As one of the biggest and best-known biotech firms in Massachusetts and public health authorities in one of the nation’s premier medical communities struggled to connect the dots, dozens of Biogen employees were developing symptoms of the dangerous disease — even as they traveled around Boston, the country, and the world.
Concerns about holding large gatherings were already circulating locally at least a week before the Biogen conference.

Massachusetts had detected its first coronavirus case on Feb. 1 — a man in his 20s who had flown back from Wuhan, China, where the virus was widespread. On Feb. 19, the Japanese tech company Sony announced that due to concern about infections it would skip the annual PAX East gaming expo at the Boston Convention & Exhibition Center, Feb. 27- March 1.
Biogen spokesman David Caouette said he is unaware of any internal discussions about canceling the Biogen conference due to the global spread of the virus.

“At the time of the meeting, we were absolutely following national guidance on travel and in-person meetings,” Caouette said in a statement.

Guests at the Long Wharf conference included people from Italy, a country where the virus had spread, but not people who had been to China, where it originated late last year, he said.

After a day of highly technical presentations on Wednesday, Feb. 26, many of the Biogen attendees gathered at 6:30 p.m. at the State Room, a few blocks away at 60 State St., for dinner and awards.

The conference picked up Thursday morning and went half a day, concluding in the afternoon, when attendees headed for the airport or home.

By Saturday night, signs of trouble were emerging. One Biogen executive reported feeling sick, and planned to seek treatment at Massachusetts General Hospital in the morning, according to a person familiar with the company. That executive was told on Sunday that a coronavirus test was not warranted under existing criteria, the executive told colleagues on Sunday.

On Monday, another Biogen employee from the conference attended a Naples, Fla., executive round-table, held by the consulting giant PwC. According to Biogen, that employee had flu-like symptoms while at the Florida event. Biogen would not say whether that person has since tested positive ― it declines to discuss individual cases. But PwC said in a statement that it is taking the potential interaction very seriously, informing "all participants who attended our PwC event that one of the participants was in proximity to individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19.”

Biogen chief medical officer Maha Radhakrishnan on Monday sent a message to people who attended the Boston conference advising them to see a doctor if they felt ill.

By Tuesday morning, March 3, more executives who had been at the Boston conference were not feeling well, according to the person with knowledge of the company, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the situation. Some of them had gone to MGH or to their doctors to request coronavirus testing, only to be rebuffed because they did not meet the federal government criteria for a test, which at the time was a set of symptoms in addition to recent travel to a breakout area or contact with someone known to have the virus.

Biogen officials reached out to public health authorities in Massachusetts on March 3, according to a document obtained by the Globe, to report a cluster of about 50 conference attendees with flu-like symptoms in this region and overseas. Those officials were told that the cases did not satisfy requirements for testing.​

Massachusetts Public Health Commissioner Dr. Monica Bharel said in a Tuesday news conference that she is unable to pinpoint exactly when her department learned that people who attended the Biogen conference were ill with Covid-19, and when the agency acted to test others who attended the conference or were in contact with those attendees.
All the days are “blurring together,” Bharel said.

Another person familiar with the events, who asked to remain anonymous because they are not cleared to speak on the issue, confirmed that Biogen’s chief medical officer first contacted the state public health department the morning of March 3. Biogen told DPH that day that a cluster of people who attended the conference were ill, according to the unnamed person.

Biogen called the DPH again the next day, March 4, according to the person familiar with these events, and alerted DPH that at least two people from Europe who were at the conference had tested positive for Covid-19.

That same day, a “significant number" of people from Biogen — though still fewer than 10 — came to the Emergency Department at MGH asking for coronavirus tests, said Dr. Paul Biddinger, chief of the division of emergency preparedness at the hospital.

MGH had not been informed previously of the Biogen meeting or that people had been exposed to the virus.
“There was concern that there may be many more coming,” Biddinger said. Too many Biogen walk-ins, the hospital feared, could disrupt care for other patients.

All the Biogen people got a medical evaluation but many did not have symptoms that would rise to an emergency; they just wanted testing, Biddinger said.

“For each person, we talked to [Department of Public Health] staff about these patients and whether or not they meet testing criteria,” he said. “Some were tested and some were not.”

Some of the Biogen walk-ins became “very frustrated” that they couldn’t get a test. “There were some challenging discussions,” Biddinger said.

At 10 a.m. on March 5, senior Biogen leadership held a call with people who were at the Boston conference, reporting that three attendees had tested positive for Covid-19 outside of Massachusetts.

Several hours later, Biogen executive vice president Alphonse Galdes and Radhakrishnan sent out a message to people across the company describing the illnesses associated with the conference:

“We wanted to inform you that an unexpected high number of attendees have reported varying degrees of flu-like symptoms (fever, headache, cough, body ache, chills, general fatigue, and malaise being among the most common symptoms reported),” the message said. It added that three attendees had tested positive for Covid-19.
The message said the company could not identify the people who had tested positive, but that out of caution, Biogen wanted everyone who was at the conference to work from home.

That information alarmed some employees, who were concerned about having been exposed to the illness in the days prior to the announcement, and were surprised that the company didn’t give employees a better handle on the situation sooner.

Two people familiar with the company said a number of employees got up and left after reading the e-mail, with many of them heading straight to MGH to request a test.

In an e-mail from the company Thursday evening, Biogen officials asked employees to refrain from going to MGH to be tested for the coronavirus. The e-mail said their efforts “are overwhelming the emergency room” and that hospital police may have to bar Biogen employees from entering the area.

Biogen acknowledged for the first time on Thursday night that the coronavirus had been spread at its meeting the week before. By Friday, MGH and Brigham and Women’s set up temporary testing facilities in their ambulance bays to handle an influx of potential patients.

The outbreak at Biogen rippled through the state’s close-knit biopharma industry, which employs about 74,000 people and is marbled with Biogen alumni.

Several of the Biogen executives from the Long Wharf conference also attended a health care event hosted by Cowen and Co. March 2-4, at the Boston Marriott Copley Place, including CEO Michel Vounatsos and other top officials.

Cowen has since warned attendees of its event that Biogen informed Cowen that multiple individuals at the March 2 event have tested positive for Covid-19.

Cowen spokesman Dan Gagnier directed inquiries to Biogen.

Caouette, the Biogen spokesman, said in a statement that the company could not discuss the specifics of the cases, but he confirmed that multiple people from Biogen “who were at the March 2 Cowen investment conference in Boston" have tested positive.

“Several of our colleagues are doing well and others are fighting this novel virus and living in isolation from their families. Knowing they are in pain, hurts each of us,” Vounatsos wrote in an e-mail to staff on Monday.

“I am grateful for the courage our team has shown in this challenging time, working late into the night and in constant communication with public health partners. In particular, I want to thank our medical team for providing their expertise to support our employee’s safety and well-being.”

Edward Fitzpatrick of the Globe staff contributed to this report.


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BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
Everyone might want to find out why Taiwan has done such a good job. Also research the Chinese “Belt and Road Initiative“ participant countries and who is severely effected by the virus: Italy, S. Korea, Iran....

While we are at it, CNN has proved itself such obvious liars and manipulators of truth and reality that I trust nothing they say anymore. Especially when they are so good at telling a truth to tell a lie..... I could bore you with details and put you to sleep in a tornado with the examples...
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Merely scoring points is not the objective of the noted CNN article. The artcile successfully dispelled some Trump lies. Those lies MUST be called out lest the uninformed make life threatening decisions based upon lies.

Every article critical of Trump is not merely political. Some serve a life saving purpose... as did this article.
Consider me saved... let’s move on now please.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Agreed political platforms are not relevant to this situation, this has nothing to do with right or left philosophies, the correct Governmental action is required, but this is not set in stone, there is no defined right or wrong in this situation. The Government will be flying by the seat of it's pants but they must try to do the right thing. It's not only Government but individuals and communities/organisations trying to take the right action. They may not succeed in retrospect but you have to give it your best shot.

As people have said we have to look at the successes from other countries to see what they did right.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Jackpine Savage said:
Thank you for that heads up. Ideally I wouldn't take this stuff without talking to my Doctor. But, it could very well be that it isn't available locally, or a local Doctor wouldn't risk writing a script.




What I don't know is how doctors will treat or be allowed to treat patients. South Korea is recommending Chloroquine. Will the US allow it before they do a double blind study? How long will that take? If it gets to the point they just send you home because the hospital is full, is it worth a try? So I say 'Doc, I have this medicine to try, what should I watch for?'

Or Chloroquine is no longer available from the Pharmacy

I really don't know the answers to your questions. All I can advise is to talk to your doctor about what you plan to do, and see what he says.
 
Trump says he will be making a statement tonight

From CNN's Betsy Klein

President Trump said he has “already made some decisions today” but “will be making some other ones that are important.”

He added that he will “be making a statement later on tonight" about what the country should do regarding the coronavirus.

Trump made the remarks during a White House meeting with bankers to discuss the economy, jobs, and the coronavirus.

“Prior to the coronavirus, it was just all go,” Trump said of the economy. “The numbers from a week ago were great... but now we’re hitting a patch and we’re going to have to do something.”

“Number one priority is the health of the country,” he added.

Trump said he will make the statement around 8 p.m. ET.


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