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I agree that a lot of things are very puzzling, but running with rumor as if it's fact doesn't help.
True, but we have many on watch here. We tend to error-check by consensus.
I agree that a lot of things are very puzzling, but running with rumor as if it's fact doesn't help.
I haven't seen evidence for a longer incubation, but the lack of recognized infections and deaths outside China keeps nagging at me. Are we in the calm before the storm, or is something not adding up?
Blue lady, it will be months before we will learn the real RO, CFR, latency period, etc of this virus. No one has any proof of anything at this point. We're not trying to spread "rumors", we are all trying to put forward our best guess with the information available to us so that we may prepare our families. That's what this thread is for. Let's not attack each other.I agree that a lot of things are very puzzling, but running with rumor as if it's fact doesn't help.
...shoot, BACKHOE, BURN, shut up...
Exactly!!I thought everyone who had recently been in China was supposed to arrive in 6 (11?) designated airports!
It is not working!
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If the Chinese government is able to feed countless millions of quarantined people, or a billion if it gets a lot worse, it will only be because they have a communist government with a command economy, all aspects of which can be controlled, by force if necessary. If hundreds of millions were quarantined in this country, it wouldn't work. People would have to pay for food deliveries (if workers are available to deliver) and if they run out of money for food they will starve. The U.S. government does not have the logistical or financial resources; there would be mass starvation. High rise apartments in big cities will become charnel houses and ultimately, sealed tombs to contain pathogens. When essential medicines (e.g. heart meds and insulin) run out, a lot of people will die.
Old Archer, I’m quite fond of you and usually like your posts, but all of a sudden, you’re talking like ... well, you know. I don’t know why - maybe it was mentioned a couple of hundred pages ago - you feel the need to do this. I just wanted to kindly let you know that it takes MUCH longer to read and comprehend your posts, so KNOCK IT OFF!
When a patient comes in with 'flu' like symptoms, they are tested for the flu (which is a quick process). If it comes back positive then they are treated appropriately. It doesn't really matter whether they have the coronavirus or not as the treatment modality (supportive) is basically the same. There is no magic pill for either the flu or the coronavirus. If there were, we wouldn't have the 12,000 deaths from the flu on a yearly basis.Fair use cited.
When we talk about no deaths in the US for the coronavirus - I'm wondering if there have been deaths, but we just haven't been testing if they are coronavirus related. We read about the young man in Chatham, Illinois who died of the "flu" and "pneumonia." How many more of those deaths are actually coronavirus?
Kentucky translation: The epidemic has become uncontrollable and so obvious that we look like fools to keep reporting as we have to date.
Or is this indeed a disease that's targeted toward Asians? I remember reading about one American in Tokyo who got coronavirus. Her symptoms were described as "mild to nonexistent." So far we're talking about a handful of cases outside of the Asian continent. Either "THEY" are doing such an incredible job of suppressing news that half the world's got it and we don't even know, or there's nothing there TO suppress.
When a patient comes in with 'flu' like symptoms, they are tested for the flu (which is a quick process). If it comes back positive then they are treated appropriately. It doesn't really matter whether they have the coronavirus or not as the treatment modality (supportive) is basically the same. There is no magic pill for either the flu or the coronavirus. If there were, we wouldn't have the 12,000 deaths from the flu on a yearly basis.
It's when the flu test is negative and the patient has flu like symptoms that further investigation is necessary. Think how much healthier our society would be if we approached the flu like we are approaching the coronavirus... mandatory isolation?
I was just listening too - and thinking "why are you lying to the people?"San Antonio (Lackland AFB case) officials:
"We may have other cases. I want to prepare you for that."--Dr. McCliston PHS
"we are prepared"--Texas Dept State Health Services
PHS is stating droplet spread, discounting airborne.
No CDC guidance to extend quarantine for those who were with the positive patient.
PHS discounting ability to transmit disease asymptomatically.
Timeline....Fever Feb 11, sample shipped to CDC, result 6pm last night (24 hour turn around time).
See my post (#87091) in the big WAR thread. In that post I simply extract a paragraph from another post in that thread that I think explains the whole Asian issue. it has to do with the ACE2 receptor site.
Extracted from the long post in 87064 (page 2177)
– Early research found that 2019-nCoV targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in East Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that the Wuhan Strain 2019-nCoV was likely developed as part of a gain-of-function defensive project possibly linked to immunotherapy or vaccinations – never meant to leave the lab, but meant to serve as a Red Team to fight back against, not as an offensive weapon since the virus is likely wired to be much more virulent among Asian populations. Further support for this is the fact that the Wuhan BSL-4 virology lab was already actively looking into the risks posed from bat coronaviruses, and actively researching coronavirus treatments – by definition both of these projects would require live virulent strains of coronavirus.
This explains why Asians are getting it readily than other ethnic groups. That doesn't necessarily rule out large groups of non-Asians getting it. It may, however, send the R0 under 1.0 and the virus may burn out in non-Asian populations. Or, it may mutate to "learn" how to attack the non-Asian population.
Question: Is it possible to have Type A/B "regular" flu and also have COVID-19? In that case, the test for the regular flu is simple. It tests positive and the person is never tested for COVID-19. Dangerous. I just don't know if the two can be present at the same time.
Huh. You know, that's a pretty good explanation. That and I like it because it means I'm a lot less likely to die if I go grocery shopping.
It also does a nice job explaining things like that woman in Japan; without the necessary receptors we may be less susceptible. Didn't I once hear that the cold is a coronavirus?
Heck it could be 15 for all I know. But usually they keep 30 days on the water... that still needs to be cleared out. They also early shipped some due to the new year holiday, they my best guess of 60 days.....Not arguing with you, 20Gauge, but I think the number is closer to 30 days...
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
I'm just going to say right now the writing is on the wall folks. The CDC has come out and told Congress they are expecting hundreds of thousands of cases in the United States they've stated that they have MISSED 75% of the infected people that have come to the United States. It's here.
Our military has activated its pandemic preparedness plan...
OHHH CRAP. Wow this is real. I thought it was a fake when I saw it previously
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There are 4 "types" of human coronaviruses and yes, they can be causes of the "common cold" along with adenoviruses and rhinoviruses.
You’re not the only one who is starting to think this way, see my post 10,357 in this thread:Tin Foil Alert...
Wuhan was a center of recent political unrest.
Couple that with what has been happening in Hong Kong.
Now, with the release of this virus, I have read that the leaders of/ and those who participated in protests against the government have ALL been rounded up and placed in "quarantine" ...
Considering Stalin and Mao killed millions of their citizens to stay in power...
I am beginning to wonder if this was not an orchestrated release to crush the growing dissent of Xi by Hong Kong and within his own country?
That would also explain why he keeps refusing aid from U.S. Experts...
My girlfriend (she is Chinese) was telling me the other day she is beginning to think the Chinese govt did this intentionally to crack down on their people. She said that Xi and the current govt are not real popular and that if Hong Kong were to split off they would lose so much face they would lose power.
I asked her if they were really that dead set on maintaining power that they would kill thousands and wreck their own economy in the process. She basically told me they don’t care how drastic the action needed to maintain power.
This was just her personal opinion on the matter so take it with a grain of salt, but until we start to see the pandemic really start to take hold outside of China, it seems to be a likely scenario considering the CCPs actions so far
I thought I'd heard that was the case, yeah. Does that give us maybe some extra immunity the Asian population wouldn't have?
Thanks for that information.It's a different flu shot. H. Flu is a bacteria. It's what gave us earaches when we were kids. It can also play a role in pneumonia in some populations and is pretty much required if you have had a spleen removed.
Influenza virus vaccine is +/-.
We need to quit thinking about this virus as being spread linear in nature. It could sweep through an area then return dependent on how the population is moving about and the rate of mutation.
That's why hunkering down for 15, 30, 90, 120 days is somewhat folly. Preventing the spread (stay home if ill) and taking appropriate measures to limit one's possible contamination (PPE & sanitation) is the best way survive this ordeal.
This is a process, not an event.
Perhaps this is why:I was just listening too - and thinking "why are you lying to the people?"
We need to quit thinking about this virus as being spread linear in nature. It could sweep through an area then return dependent on how the population is moving about and the rate of mutation.
That's why hunkering down for 15, 30, 90, 120 days is somewhat folly. Preventing the spread (stay home if ill) and taking appropriate measures to limit one's possible contamination (PPE & sanitation) is the best way survive this ordeal.
This is a process, not an event.
Question: Is it possible to have Type A/B "regular" flu and also have COVID-19? In that case, the test for the regular flu is simple. It tests positive and the person is never tested for COVID-19. Dangerous. I just don't know if the two can be present at the same time.
If hundreds of millions were quarantined in this country, it wouldn't work. People would have to pay for food deliveries (if workers are available to deliver) and if they run out of money for food they will starve. The U.S. government does not have the logistical or financial resources; there would be mass starvation. High rise apartments in big cities will become charnel houses and ultimately, sealed tombs to contain pathogens. When essential medicines (e.g. heart meds and insulin) run out, a lot of people will die.
My girlfriend (she is Chinese) was telling me the other day she is beginning to think the Chinese govt did this intentionally to crack down on their people. She said that Xi and the current govt are not real popular and that if Hong Kong were to split off they would lose so much face they would lose power.
I asked her if they were really that dead set on maintaining power that they would kill thousands and wreck their own economy in the process. She basically told me they don’t care how drastic the action needed to maintain power.
This was just her personal opinion on the matter so take it with a grain of salt, but until we start to see the pandemic really start to take hold outside of China, it seems to be a likely scenario considering the CCPs actions so far.
If Dems were in charge they would never let a crisis like that go to waste further weaponizing the crisis to diminish their enemies and push America down the socialism slide with their draconian leftist policies.
"Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste" (2:04)
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Is there a source for the CDC/Congress info? I have a medical friend asking. Thanks.I'm just going to say right now the writing is on the wall folks. The CDC has come out and told Congress they are expecting hundreds of thousands of cases in the United States they've stated that they have MISSED 75% of the infected people that have come to the United States .It's here.
Our military has activated its pandemic preparedness plan..If you read that plan they're getting ready to start declaring martial law here in the United States. Our military does not mess around .You will be staying in your home if they say so That's a fact.Prepare now or don't at your own peril and your families.
Is there a source for the CDC/Congress info? I have a medical friend asking. Thanks.
There are always liars in positions of power. Global Cooling, Global Warming, Obamacare, The Flu shot.don't spend all your time here fretting about what's coming down the pike
For years my mantra regarding self defense has been 'mindset skillset toolset.' Research and analysis of information and teaching R&A in order to produce actionable intelligence was my job for the last half of my working career, and became essentially an addiction.
So I do what I do.
But balance is still important in life in all things. Obsession is not balance.
the problem with this pandemic is "cognitive dissonance"
The problem with this pandemic is liars in positions of power and responsibility. And the pandemic itself is a problem of yet to be determined magnitude for the world at large.
I mentioned way back when: when the numbers (input) are crap, the output calculated/projected from those numbers are going to be crap as well.
GIGO, same as it ever was. (Garbage in, garbage out)
Take care of you and yours. No one is coming to the rescue if this goes pear ahaped. Many thanks to those here who are doing their best to sort out vital information and keep the flow going.
She continues:"There are plenty of theories out there because Wuhan does have a P4 lab," Yoon says.
We must give credit to Yoon, who has been on the ground in China since the beginning of the outbreak and whose reporting has been relatively objective and doesn't appear (too much) to be pandering to the CCP or the World Health Organization's token narrative. Yoon also references back to this interview during which she really exposes the reality on the ground in China..."There was a biochemical weapons expert who went from the Chinese military who went there - who is there now to look at some of the testing kits. Because she is there - maybe this was man-made and there’s a theory that this could have been part of a bioweapons program. But that’s just a theory.”
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“There are plenty of theories out there because Wuhan does have a P4 lab … maybe this was man-made and there’s a theory that this could have been part of a bioweapons program. But that’s just a theory,” says @onlyyoontv on the #coronavirus.
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