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What they don’t tell you about surviving COVID-19
'Recovered' doesn't mean healthy again

Mike Moffitt, SFGATE
Updated 11:18 am CDT, Sunday, June 21, 2020

Most people who catch the new coronavirus don’t experience severe symptoms, and some have no symptoms at all. COVID-19 saves its worst for relatively few.

ICU nurse Sherie Antoinette has seen the serious cases first hand.

The lucky ones — if you can call them that — recover, but not in the sense that their lives are back to normal. For some, the damage is permanent. Their organs will never fully heal.

“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”

COVID 19 is the worst disease process I’ve ever worked with in my 8 years as an ICU nurse.
When they say “recovered” they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant.
Or that you may come back after d/c with a massive heart attack or stroke bc COVID makes
— Cherie Antoinette (@sheriantoinette) June 14, 2020

Antoinette’s tweet prompted a flurry of responses from former COVID-19 patients, family of patients and nurses working on the frontline of the disease.

We have selected some of their tweets and are running them with minor editing for clarity. SFGATE makes no claims to their authenticity.

I'm currently in the hospital after having a heart attack caused by clotting that resulted from COVID 19. I have a stent in my heart and need to wear a heart monitoring vest at all times. Now I face months of recovery including physical and occupational therapy. I'm only 29.

—Dan

I went into acute kidney failure and needed dialysis. I now have asthma, chronic cough and an irregular heartbeat. I have conditions I never had before, plus I’m wiped all the time. I hope this gets better, but you [Sherie] are on the money. And, mine was considered a low-moderate case.

— Stephanie McCarroll

These are my observations (of hospitalized patients):

1) Everybody is so swollen their skin has blisters and is so tight it looks like it’s about to burst, from head to heel. And skin so dry peeling and flaky that to slather Vaseline on every shift is almost necessary — all over.

2) Everybody’s skin is weeping clear fluid and has sores and the skin just slides off with slightest turn or rub, all over the body.

3) Everybody’s blood is thick as slush. Can’t figure out what’s making it clot like that, but it’s dark and thick.

4) Everybody’s kidneys are failing. Urine dark or red, which could contribute to the swelling, but we don’t know yet.

5) Everybody has an abnormal heart rhythm. Not sure of the cause. But even without underlying heart problems, it’s not beating normally.

6) Seems counterproductive, but the ones that are not breathing on the ventilator have to lay flat on their stomachs to breathe better. And even some on the ventilator are on their stomachs. And the slightest turn for some is what leads to their almost immediate death. Bathing, cleaning and turning to prevent skin breakdown causes most to code blue, so a decision has to be made on which is most important.

7) Everyone has a Foley catheter and a rectal tube — incontinent of bowel and bladder.

8) Everybody on tube feeding. Everybody.

Never before in my entire career have I seen a disease process attack in this way.

— 20-year veteran nurse in NYC via Dr. Dee Knight


I spent 10 days on a ventilator last March with ARDS [Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome] and I'm still on oxygen. Going home is just the beginning of the next steps in recovering. Every aspect of my life has changed for the worse. Please support and help anyone you know who survived. And wear a mask!

— Nurse @liveV4Vendetta

I'm just getting over a "mild" case after over two months. There's scarring in my lower right lung and my stomach and digestion are a mess like never before. But I'm coughing way less and can take walks again.

And, btw, this is the third time in two months that I've "gotten better." I'm just hoping it's the last and it doesn't all come back AGAIN.

— Eli

I’m a nurse on a COVID floor, I caught it. I am a relatively healthy 24-year-old and could barely walk up a half flight of stairs. My blood pressure skyrocketed, chest pain was debilitating. I’m 8 weeks out and still feeling the chest pain and shortness of breath. This is no joke.

— Alicia

I had COVID for over 60 days. I’m 33 years old, was super healthy, pescatarian, 125 pounds, and ran and did yoga every day. I couldn’t walk for two weeks besides a couple steps. It was the worst illness of my life.

I didn’t realize I had COVID symptoms for weeks. Here were the early signs:

- Waking up sweaty (I normally don’t sweat at night).

- Slight sporadic chills but no fever (or I thought I had no fever bc I only took my temp during the day).

- I could smell fine but would have weird smells like metallic or gas. Also, tasted metallic in the past 2-3 weeks. Apparently, a metallic taste or smell is related to lung problems.

- Loose stool but not terrible.

— Covid teacher (To read more about her symptoms and treatment, see her blog.)

I "recovered" March 29. I was born 65 years ago with chronic bronchitis that usually popped up maybe twice a year. Now, after COVID-19, I have acute bronchitis attacks 3-4 times a month and get winded walking to the mailbox.

— Hollis Charles

On right, lung of worlds first lung transplant for COVID— on left normal lungs
She is 20 pic.twitter.com/bwWvfdyIJt
— jeanne fisher (@jeannefisher17) June 15, 2020

I got COVID in March, and in May, developed symptoms of encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome that leave me bedridden for days at a time. I’m so glad someone mentioned this so I know that I’m not the only one experiencing this.

— @PinkkYaYa

My mom worked on a COVID ward and contracted it, spent a month in ICU. She’s lucky enough to be home now, but she struggles to get up stairs and it’s going to be a long road to recovery. Thank you for everything that you do.

— Leanne

My coworker — an otherwise totally healthy 30-year-old — is still having issues breathing, two full months later. We’ve got patients coming back to the ER after they’re “recovered” because they can’t breathe or they get a blood clot. It’s so insane.

— Andi

I had it back in March and did 6 days on a ventilator. To date, I’m still short of breath with little exertion. I have pains all over that I have never had before. I’ve noticed I don’t urinate as much as I use to. And my legs & feet keep swelling so large no shoes fit. Even flops.

— Melly B.

I’m a healthy, active 23 year-old and I still have significant lung damage two months after I’ve “recovered.”

— Laney Whitney

Yeah, my mom "recovered" mid-May, except she had *nothing* left. Couldn't even eat or drink, they wanted to surgically insert feeding tube into her stomach. I had to invoke her DNR instructions, that SUCKED. She passed May 25. Thanks for all you do, be safe, good luck.

— @DevinCojones

Worst sickness ever. Left me and my husband sick and weak for almost two months. Almost killed my perfectly healthy 41-year-old nephew. Took down a 36-year-old friend with two bouts of pneumonia. Wear a freaking mask, people. How hard is that?

—Padma’s mom

My husband and I caught COVID two and a half months ago. While my symptoms were mild, he nearly had to be admitted because he couldn't breathe, and now, a month after he's recovered, we've discovered he has PERMANENT LUNG DAMAGE.

This is not “just the flu.” It isn't.

— Sue Mii

I had a "mild" case in February. I wasn’t hospitalized. Still extremely ill with a myriad of symptoms, including inflammation and lots of pain for 3 weeks. I have no doubt this virus causes permanent damage. Talk with someone who's had it before you decide to go without a mask.

— Leicia Faye

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Damn. Tube feeding sucks. I had an NGOG tube once for 24 hours and I could not sleep with that thing in me..
 
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psychgirl

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What they don’t tell you about surviving COVID-19
'Recovered' doesn't mean healthy again

Mike Moffitt, SFGATE
Updated 11:18 am CDT, Sunday, June 21, 2020

Most people who catch the new coronavirus don’t experience severe symptoms, and some have no symptoms at all. COVID-19 saves its worst for relatively few.

ICU nurse Sherie Antoinette has seen the serious cases first hand.

The lucky ones — if you can call them that — recover, but not in the sense that their lives are back to normal. For some, the damage is permanent. Their organs will never fully heal.

“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”

COVID 19 is the worst disease process I’ve ever worked with in my 8 years as an ICU nurse.
When they say “recovered” they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant.
Or that you may come back after d/c with a massive heart attack or stroke bc COVID makes
— Cherie Antoinette (@sheriantoinette) June 14, 2020

Antoinette’s tweet prompted a flurry of responses from former COVID-19 patients, family of patients and nurses working on the frontline of the disease.

We have selected some of their tweets and are running them with minor editing for clarity. SFGATE makes no claims to their authenticity.

I'm currently in the hospital after having a heart attack caused by clotting that resulted from COVID 19. I have a stent in my heart and need to wear a heart monitoring vest at all times. Now I face months of recovery including physical and occupational therapy. I'm only 29.

—Dan

I went into acute kidney failure and needed dialysis. I now have asthma, chronic cough and an irregular heartbeat. I have conditions I never had before, plus I’m wiped all the time. I hope this gets better, but you [Sherie] are on the money. And, mine was considered a low-moderate case.

— Stephanie McCarroll

These are my observations (of hospitalized patients):

1) Everybody is so swollen their skin has blisters and is so tight it looks like it’s about to burst, from head to heel. And skin so dry peeling and flaky that to slather Vaseline on every shift is almost necessary — all over.

2) Everybody’s skin is weeping clear fluid and has sores and the skin just slides off with slightest turn or rub, all over the body.

3) Everybody’s blood is thick as slush. Can’t figure out what’s making it clot like that, but it’s dark and thick.

4) Everybody’s kidneys are failing. Urine dark or red, which could contribute to the swelling, but we don’t know yet.

5) Everybody has an abnormal heart rhythm. Not sure of the cause. But even without underlying heart problems, it’s not beating normally.

6) Seems counterproductive, but the ones that are not breathing on the ventilator have to lay flat on their stomachs to breathe better. And even some on the ventilator are on their stomachs. And the slightest turn for some is what leads to their almost immediate death. Bathing, cleaning and turning to prevent skin breakdown causes most to code blue, so a decision has to be made on which is most important.

7) Everyone has a Foley catheter and a rectal tube — incontinent of bowel and bladder.

8) Everybody on tube feeding. Everybody.

Never before in my entire career have I seen a disease process attack in this way.

— 20-year veteran nurse in NYC via Dr. Dee Knight


I spent 10 days on a ventilator last March with ARDS [Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome] and I'm still on oxygen. Going home is just the beginning of the next steps in recovering. Every aspect of my life has changed for the worse. Please support and help anyone you know who survived. And wear a mask!

— Nurse @liveV4Vendetta

I'm just getting over a "mild" case after over two months. There's scarring in my lower right lung and my stomach and digestion are a mess like never before. But I'm coughing way less and can take walks again.

And, btw, this is the third time in two months that I've "gotten better." I'm just hoping it's the last and it doesn't all come back AGAIN.

— Eli

I’m a nurse on a COVID floor, I caught it. I am a relatively healthy 24-year-old and could barely walk up a half flight of stairs. My blood pressure skyrocketed, chest pain was debilitating. I’m 8 weeks out and still feeling the chest pain and shortness of breath. This is no joke.

— Alicia

I had COVID for over 60 days. I’m 33 years old, was super healthy, pescatarian, 125 pounds, and ran and did yoga every day. I couldn’t walk for two weeks besides a couple steps. It was the worst illness of my life.

I didn’t realize I had COVID symptoms for weeks. Here were the early signs:

- Waking up sweaty (I normally don’t sweat at night).

- Slight sporadic chills but no fever (or I thought I had no fever bc I only took my temp during the day).

- I could smell fine but would have weird smells like metallic or gas. Also, tasted metallic in the past 2-3 weeks. Apparently, a metallic taste or smell is related to lung problems.

- Loose stool but not terrible.

— Covid teacher (To read more about her symptoms and treatment, see her blog.)

I "recovered" March 29. I was born 65 years ago with chronic bronchitis that usually popped up maybe twice a year. Now, after COVID-19, I have acute bronchitis attacks 3-4 times a month and get winded walking to the mailbox.

— Hollis Charles

On right, lung of worlds first lung transplant for COVID— on left normal lungs
She is 20 pic.twitter.com/bwWvfdyIJt
— jeanne fisher (@jeannefisher17) June 15, 2020

I got COVID in March, and in May, developed symptoms of encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome that leave me bedridden for days at a time. I’m so glad someone mentioned this so I know that I’m not the only one experiencing this.

— @PinkkYaYa

My mom worked on a COVID ward and contracted it, spent a month in ICU. She’s lucky enough to be home now, but she struggles to get up stairs and it’s going to be a long road to recovery. Thank you for everything that you do.

— Leanne

My coworker — an otherwise totally healthy 30-year-old — is still having issues breathing, two full months later. We’ve got patients coming back to the ER after they’re “recovered” because they can’t breathe or they get a blood clot. It’s so insane.

— Andi

I had it back in March and did 6 days on a ventilator. To date, I’m still short of breath with little exertion. I have pains all over that I have never had before. I’ve noticed I don’t urinate as much as I use to. And my legs & feet keep swelling so large no shoes fit. Even flops.

— Melly B.

I’m a healthy, active 23 year-old and I still have significant lung damage two months after I’ve “recovered.”

— Laney Whitney

Yeah, my mom "recovered" mid-May, except she had *nothing* left. Couldn't even eat or drink, they wanted to surgically insert feeding tube into her stomach. I had to invoke her DNR instructions, that SUCKED. She passed May 25. Thanks for all you do, be safe, good luck.

— @DevinCojones

Worst sickness ever. Left me and my husband sick and weak for almost two months. Almost killed my perfectly healthy 41-year-old nephew. Took down a 36-year-old friend with two bouts of pneumonia. Wear a freaking mask, people. How hard is that?

—Padma’s mom

My husband and I caught COVID two and a half months ago. While my symptoms were mild, he nearly had to be admitted because he couldn't breathe, and now, a month after he's recovered, we've discovered he has PERMANENT LUNG DAMAGE.

This is not “just the flu.” It isn't.

— Sue Mii

I had a "mild" case in February. I wasn’t hospitalized. Still extremely ill with a myriad of symptoms, including inflammation and lots of pain for 3 weeks. I have no doubt this virus causes permanent damage. Talk with someone who's had it before you decide to go without a mask.

— Leicia Faye

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This is the most horrifying story on covid I’ve read in probably weeks.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Indiana

Elkhart's mayor did a brief interview; he said Elkhart city has almost 50% of the total county cases but its population is only about 25% of the county pop.

Elkhart County hospitals nearly overwhelmed following spike in COVID-19 cases
by Max Lewis, WSBT 22 ReporterTuesday, June 30th 2020

In Elkhart County, where cases have been going up in recent weeks, the two hospital systems say they are concerned about their ability to handle an influx of patients. At Elkhart General Hospital they are nearly overwhelmed, seeing the highest number of coronavirus patients since the pandemic began.

"Two weeks of high-case volume are really starting to show in the hospital. Last week was a pretty tough week,” said Dr. Michelle Bache with Elkhart General Hospital.

Dr. Bache says things have gotten better, but last week there was concern about whether they could care for all coronavirus patients. But while things have slightly improved, hospitalizations will only go down if more people help stop the spread of the virus. "If we can get the cases to come down we would expect our hospitalization rate to also come down."

The same situation is happening at the county's other major health system, Goshen Hospital. "We were heading towards maximum capacity about a week and a half ago," said Randy Christophel, president and CEO of Goshen Health. Christophel says his hospital's ICU is near capacity, but coronavirus units still have space.

It was also looking dire for them just last week.

"if the surge would've continued in terms of patients coming to the hospital, we clearly would've had to transfer patients to other available beds in other hospitals." Both hospitals praised the decision by Elkhart County to mandate mask wearing. They're hoping to get their positive rate of roughly 15 percent down to 5. Relying on people taking safety measures and getting tested. "That's how we will be able to continue to control the spread of this virus," said Dr. Bache.

Currently Elkhart is ranked third in the state in terms of coronavirus cases. Health officials say we will just have to wait to see if mask wearing and delaying phase 5 of re-opening will ease the burden on the hospitals.


From EGH website:
Our full-service, 357-licensed-bed main hospital is comprised of over 300 physicians representing more than 30 medical specialties, and nearly 2,000 employees serve in nursing, technical, administrative, and support capacities.
Level III Trauma Center

This is from Regenstrief's dashboard, as of yesterday. The numbers look off to me compared to what Elkhart and Goshen are saying. Goshen is a smaller hospital than Elkhart is. Ordinarily, if a patient needs more advanced care, they are sent to South Bend hospitals. Notice there are only 2 ICU admits. The IN state dashboard shows the county has 3003 total cases and 42 deaths.

6.29 Reg Elkhart.jpg
 

Tristan

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World's dominant strain of coronavirus 'is 10 TIMES more infectious than the one that jumped to humans in China' because it mutated so its vital spike protein doesn't snap as often in the body, scientists say
By Sam Blanchard
Published: 13:41 EDT, 29 June 2020 | Updated: 22:07 EDT, 29 June 2020

  • Experts in Florida have added deeper understanding about the changed virus
  • They say spike protein in original version of Covid-19 was weaker and snapped
  • But the dominant strain in Europe and North America has evolved to be stronger
  • This does not, however, appear to make patients any sicker or less sick

A mutated version of the coronavirus that has gripped Europe and the West is more infectious because it doesn't break as often while inside the body, a study has found.

Researchers at The Scripps Research Institute in Florida say the 'spike protein' that the virus uses to attach to cells in the airways has adapted since January.

It used to break off regularly while trying to bind to receptors in people's airways, which it would use to gain entry to the body, but is now more resilient, they say.

A genetic mutation which scientists around the world have been picking up on for months appears to have caused this spike to be less likely to snap, and also to force the coronaviruses to produce more of them to make itself more infectious.

As a result the virus appears to be approximately 10 times more infectious than it was when it first jumped to humans in China at the end of the year, scientists say.

The mutated version of the virus, dubbed G614 - a change from D614 - is a tiny change in its genetic make-up that scientists weren't sure what to make of when they found it.

But by May research had found it had become the dominant strain being found in Covid-19 patients across the UK, US, Canada and Italy.

Lead researcher on the Scripps institute's study, Dr Hyeryun Choe, told the Washington Post the mutation seemed to have happened to 'compensate' for the weakness of the spike protein in the past.

The Post reported it appeared to have become approximately 10 times more infectious as a result of this change.

The way the virus enters the body is by using its spike to latch onto a receptor - called an ACE-2 receptor - inside someone's airways.

ACE-2 receptors are essentially tiny gateways that the virus uses to get into the blood and then multiply rapidly, destroying cells around them in the process and triggering illness.

Dr Choe and her colleagues examined the differences between the spike proteins, dubbed S, on the outside of both versions of the coronavirus.

They found: 'These results show SG614 is more stable than SD614, consistent with epidemiological data suggesting that viruses with SG614 transmit more efficiently.'

The spike was stronger, they said, and as a result the virus was better able to bash through the gateway of the ACE-2 receptors.

Dr Choe told the Washington Post: 'The epidemiological study and our data together really explain why the [G variant's] spread in Europe and the US was really fast... This is not just accidental.'

However, this improved spike strength did not seem to be making people any sicker - or any less sick.

This, they suggested, could be because the spike had nothing to do with the virus's ability to reproduce - to replicate - once it was inside the body.

The process of reproduction, and using the body's resources to achieve this, is how the coronavirus causes illness.

Dr Choe's study added: 'An interesting question is why viruses carrying the more stable SG614 appear to be more transmissible without resulting in a major observable difference in disease severity.

'It is possible that higher levels of functional S protein observed with SG614 increase the chance of host-to-host transmission, but that other factors limit the rate and efficiency of intra-host replication.'

The paper was published online on bioRxiv without being reviewed by independent scientists.

Researchers in the UK and US had in May noted that the G614 version of the virus had become 'the dominant pandemic form in many countries'.

They said it was first found in Germany in February and had since become the most common form of the virus in patients worldwide - it appears to force out the older version whenever they clash.

Viruses mutate naturally all the time and it is not usually cause for alarm but should be studied in case they change so much they become unrecognisable to the body and immunity from a first infection cannot protect against them, as is the case with flu.

A study done by scientists at the University of Sheffield and Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico, found that D614 appeared to have been the virus's original state in humans, and the one found in Wuhan.

It made up the vast majority of all Covid-19 infections in China, and Asia as a whole, and also seemed to be the first version of the virus to appear in the countries they studied.

However, the mutated version - G614 - started to appear soon after in Europe and North America in particular, before going on to take over as the dominant virus.

'A clear and consistent pattern was observed in almost every place where adequate sampling was available,' the researchers said.

'In most countries and states where the COVID-19 epidemic was initiated and where sequences were sampled prior to March 1, the D614 form was the dominant local form early in the epidemic.

'Wherever G614 entered a population, a rapid rise in its frequency followed, and in many cases G614 became the dominant local form in a matter of only a few weeks.'

They said the G614 mutation may give the virus a 'selective advantage' which makes it better able to bind to cells in the airways, or to shed viruses which it uses to reproduce and spread.

It could do this because the D614G mutation appeared to affect the shape of the 'spike' protein that the virus uses to attach to a person's cells and infect them.

A sample of 447 hospital patients in Sheffield showed that people had a higher viral load when infected with G614, meaning they had a higher quantity of viruses circulating in their body.

This could make them more likely to spread COVID-19 because they could be more likely to show symptoms and have more viruses on their breath, for example.

The researchers wrote: 'An early April sampling... showed that G614's frequency was increasing at an alarming pace throughout March, and it was clearly showing an ever-broadening geographic spread.'

And they added: 'Through March, G614 became increasingly common throughout Europe, and by April it dominated contemporary sampling.

'In North America, infections were initiated and established across the continent by the original D614 form, but in early March, the G614 was introduced into both Canada and the USA, and by the end of March it had become the dominant form in both nations.'


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HOW AND WHY CAN VIRUSES CHANGE OVER TIME?

Viruses are known to change over time because they are subject to random genetic mutations in the same way that all living things are.

These mutations can have various effects and many will only happen briefly and not become a permanent change as newer generations of viruses replace the mutated ones.

However, some of the mutations might turn out to be advantageous to the virus, and get carried forward into future generations.

A virus may change its structure by accident but turn out to be more infectious that way, meaning it can infect more hosts, reproduce more, and become more dominant than its less fertile predecessor.

Or if a virus becomes less dangerous to its host - that is, it causes fewer symptoms or less death - it may find that it is able to live longer and reproduce more.

As a result, more of these less dangerous viruses are produced and they may go on to spread more effectively than the more dangerous versions, which could be stamped out by medication because more people realise they are ill, for example.

The mutation may then be taken forward in the stronger generations and become the dominant version of the virus.

In an explanation of an scientific study about HIV, the NHS said in 2014: 'The optimal evolutionary strategy for a virus is to be infectious (so it creates more copies of itself) but non-lethal (so its host population doesn’t die out).

'The "poster boy" for successful long-living viruses is, arguably, the family of viruses that cause the, which has existed for thousands of years.'

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Charming.


Quite f'n charming.

This mutation appears to be the one Dr. Martinson discussed several days ago in one of his updates.
 

marsh

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17:12 min
105 - The Challenge of Vaccine Challenge Trials for COVID-19
•Jun 30, 2020


Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Vaccine challenge trials, in which healthy volunteers are infected with a pathogen to determine whether a vaccine works, can be done faster and with fewer participants than traditional efficacy studies. But there are downsides: challenge trials require young, healthy participants which may not help produce a vaccine that would protect older populations at risk for severe COVID-19 disease. There are also serious ethical considerations. Volunteers would be infected with a virus for which there is no cure, and so much is still unknown about why this coronavirus can cause severe disease in people without any known risk factors. Johns Hopkins vaccine researcher Dr. Anna Durbin talks with Stephanie Desmon about this method of getting to a COVID-19 vaccine, her experience with a dengue challenge trial, and what we know so far about whether COVID-19 antibodies confer immunity.
 

marsh

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58:59 min
War Room Pandemic Ep 257 - Converging Forces (w/ Dave Ramaswamy)
•Streamed live 7 hours ago


Bannon WarRoom - Citizens of the American Republic

Raheem Kassam, Jack Maxey, and Greg Manz are joined by Steve Bannon to discuss the latest on the coronavirus pandemic as the national security apparatus makes apparent the playbook they will use to attack President Trump via Carl Bernstein's rambling CNN piece. Calling in is Dave Ramaswamy to discuss the latest actions India has taken banning CCP technology apps.

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58:46 min
War Room Pandemic Ep 258 - Flood the Zone (w/ General Robert Spalding)
•Streamed live 6 hours ago


Bannon WarRoom - Citizens of the American Republic

Raheem Kassam, Jack Maxey, and Greg Manz discuss the latest on the coronavirus pandemic as the CCP weaponizes its influence in America for nefarious purposes. Calling in is General Robert Spalding on how we have ceded ground in the information war with China.
 

marsh

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2:03 min
Fauci issues grim warning: 'No guarantee' of a safe, effective vaccine (excerpt)
•Jun 30, 2020


Fox News
Dr. Anthony Fauci explains where we stand with coronavirus vaccine development

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4:13 min
Fauci testifies about COVID-19 research (excerpt)
•Jun 30, 2020

ABC News

Dr. Anthony Fauci told lawmakers we may know more about the effectiveness of several vaccines by this winter.

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22:43 min
Coronavirus: U.S. is ‘going in the wrong direction’ as cases continue to rise, Fauci warns
•Jun 30, 2020


Global News Canada
During a Senate hearing on safely returning to work and school amid the COVID-19 pandemic on Tuesday, head of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Dr. Anthony Fauci said there is “no guarantee” for a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine, but that he is “cautiously optimistic.” He added that data on vaccine efficacy may be available “sometime in the winter or early part of next year.” When speaking with Sen. Elizabeth Warren at the hearing, Fauci also stated that the U.S. is “going in the wrong direction” and warned that the daily increase of new cases in the country, currently around 40,000, could reach 100,000 if people do not adhere to social distancing guidelines and wear masks. "I am very concerned because it could get very bad," he said. COVID-19 cases more than doubled in June in at least 10 U.S. states, including Texas and Florida, a Reuters tally showed.
 

marsh

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3:27 min
More states halt reopenings as COVID-19 cases surge
•Jun 30, 2020


CBS This Morning

At least 16 states are pausing or rolling back their reopening plans, even as large crowds are expected to swarm beaches and businesses for the holiday weekend. California is one of 32 states reporting an increase in their seven-day average of new COVID-19 cases. Carter Evans reports on what officials in Los Angeles County are doing to stop the spread.

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16:29 min
Many States Halt Or Reverse Plans For Reopening As Coronavirus Cases Spike | TODAY
•Jun 30, 2020


TODAY

With coronavirus cases on the rise across the country, at least 16 states are halting or reversing their reopening plans. In other TODAY news stories, there are reports that the White House was aware of intelligence about alleged Russian bounties on the heads of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan as early as 2019.
 
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Tristan

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2:03 min
Fauci issues grim warning: 'No guarantee' of a safe, effective vaccine (excerpt)
•Jun 30, 2020


Fox News
Dr. Anthony Fauci explains where we stand with coronavirus vaccine development

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iztKlrBthnk
4:13 min
Fauci testifies about COVID-19 research (excerpt)
•Jun 30, 2020

ABC News

Dr. Anthony Fauci told lawmakers we may know more about the effectiveness of several vaccines by this winter.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnSqKDyDRyQ
22:43 min
Coronavirus: U.S. is ‘going in the wrong direction’ as cases continue to rise, Fauci warns
•Jun 30, 2020


Global News Canada
During a Senate hearing on safely returning to work and school amid the COVID-19 pandemic on Tuesday, head of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Dr. Anthony Fauci said there is “no guarantee” for a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine, but that he is “cautiously optimistic.” He added that data on vaccine efficacy may be available “sometime in the winter or early part of next year.” When speaking with Sen. Elizabeth Warren at the hearing, Fauci also stated that the U.S. is “going in the wrong direction” and warned that the daily increase of new cases in the country, currently around 40,000, could reach 100,000 if people do not adhere to social distancing guidelines and wear masks. "I am very concerned because it could get very bad," he said. COVID-19 cases more than doubled in June in at least 10 U.S. states, including Texas and Florida, a Reuters tally showed.

No shit, Dr. Faust, er, Fauci.

There never was a guarantee of a Covid-19 virus.

Has anyone have info regarding any effective Coronavirii Vaccines? I've been looking and cannot find if there has ever been a coronavirus vaccine for any virii prior to CV-19. Having trouble trying to winnow out the multitude of reports where they are referring to CV-19 instead of other CV virii. Any Med folks able to help me out on this?


From the CDC's website: (and we all know what a difinitive source they are!!) :rolleyes:

"Treatment for common human coronaviruses

There is no vaccine to protect you against human coronaviruses and there are no specific treatments for illnesses caused by human coronaviruses."

Source:



In fact, I recall that earlier attempts at creating a SARS vaccine didn't turn out well at all, as in killing the volutneers (iirc.)



If it's proven that the HCQ+Zinc+Azythromycin treatment in fact does work, then Fauci has blood on his hands. Lots of it.
 

marsh

TB Fanatic
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16:23 min
Do masks even WORK?! Government hypocrisy during COVID-19 pandemic SHREDS its credibility
•Jun 30, 2020


Glenn Beck

Do masks work? Is social distancing effective? Just how deadly is COVID-19 for an ordinary, healthy person? These are just some of the questions Americans have been asking for months now, and it would be nice if somebody in government ADMITTED the answers are still unknown. Investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson says that, within the scientific community, the verdict on coronavirus is still constantly being debate. And so, anytime an elected leader ridicules or judges an American for finding contrary conclusions about how to safely live during the pandemic, that leader slowly shreds government's credibility to dictate our lives.

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9:52 min
TEXAS HERO! Mayor against COVID-19 mask mandate despite case surge: 'It's about personal liberty'
•Jun 29, 2020


Glenn Beck
Colleyville, Texas Mayor Richard Newton told residents within his community that his team will NOT be policing the new mask mandate set by Governor Greg Abbott last week. And with a recent spike of COVID-19 cases throughout Texas, the mayor is receiving a lot of heat. But he tells Glenn he's NOT opposed to wearing masks...in fact, he encourages it! But, he says, forcing citizens and businesses to abide by rules that government can't even enforce itself is not only dishonest, but it contradicts personal liberty, too.
 
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marsh

TB Fanatic
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7:33 min
Coronavirus: Rand Paul, Dr. Fauci debate when to reopen schools amid COVID-19 pandemic (excerpt)
•Jun 30, 2020


Global News Canada

Sen. Rand Paul delivered an emotional statement during Tuesday’s Senate hearing on safely returning to work and school amid the COVID-19 pandemic, stating data has shown that “young children rarely spread the virus,” and that some countries who have reopened schools amid the pandemic have not had surges in virus cases. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top infectious disease expert in the U.S. said that he “strongly” agrees with Paul that the country needs to “do whatever we can to get the children back to school.”
 

marsh

TB Fanatic
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5:09 min
Coronavirus: Biden attacks Trump's response to COVID-19, says "wartime president has surrendered"
•Jun 30, 2020


Global News Canada

Former U.S. vice-president and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden launched a fresh wave of criticism against current President Donald Trump over his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, saying that Trump had "failed" Americans. Biden referenced Trump's earlier claims that America needed to act "like we were at war" with the coronavirus, but with July one day away, "it seems like our wartime president has surrendered." The former vice-president went on to call on Trump and the federal government to send a clear message to the public to wear a mask, saying it's "the right thing to do as an American" to protect those around them. The Democratic nominee also said that Trump needed to be a president, not a "cheerleader" and must listen to experts, "follow the science, allow them to speak," and to be an example for the nation.
 

john70

Contributing Member
"This is the most horrifying story on covid I’ve read in probably weeks."

WELL, KEEP LOOKING, MAYBE YOU CAN FIND A BETTER ONE
 

TammyinWI

1st Amendment Right and Pertinent
(fair use applies)

China’s military approves coronavirus vaccine for use on soldiers
By Yaron Steinbuch
June 29, 2020 | 10:28am

The Chinese military has received the green light to use a coronavirus vaccine developed by its research unit and a biotech company, according to a report.

The Central Military Commission approved the use of the Ad5-nCoV vaccine candidate on Thursday for a period of one year, CanSino Biologics said in a filing, Reuters reported.

It was developed jointly by CanSino and the Beijing Institute of Biotechnology at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences. The company said clinical trials proved the vaccine was safe and showed some efficacy, according to the news outlet.

The Ad5-nCoV is one of China’s eight COVID-19 vaccine candidates approved for human trials at home and abroad. It also won approval for human testing in Canada.

“The Ad5-nCoV is currently limited to military use only and its use cannot be expanded to a broader vaccination range without the approval of the Logistics Support Department,” CanSino said, referring to the Central Military Commission.

CanSino declined to disclose to Reuters whether the innoculation is mandatory or optional, citing commercial secrets.

The Phase 1 and 2 clinical trials of the CanSino vaccine candidate showed it has the potential to be effective, but its commercial success cannot be guaranteed, the company said.

China earlier this month offered two other vaccine candidates to employees at state-owned firms traveling abroad.

Separately, AMS received an approval earlier this month to test its second experimental COVID-19 vaccine in humans.

No vaccine has yet been approved for commercial use, but more than a dozen vaccines from more than 100 candidates worldwide are being tested in humans.

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Well, they want their soldiers combat-ready and in great shape, so I bet that this vaccine is a safe one. What's in it? Bet you it is not something Bill and Melinda would approve of.

Give this one to the masses.
 

TammyinWI

1st Amendment Right and Pertinent
In reading some of the above stories, and being objective, I firmly believe that there is fake news being reported.
 

TammyinWI

1st Amendment Right and Pertinent

MinnesotaSmith

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, they want their soldiers combat-ready and in great shape, so I bet that this vaccine is a safe one. What's in it? Bet you it is not something Bill and Melinda would approve of.

Give this one to the masses.
Not a safe bet IMO. Remember the health effects from the anthrax vaccine in Gulf War I?
 

TammyinWI

1st Amendment Right and Pertinent
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2:12:19 min
Jerome Powell and Steven Mnuchin testify on Covid-19 pandemic response — 6/30/2020
•Streamed live 4 hours ago


CNBC Television


Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin are testifying Tuesday before the House Financial Services Committee on the financial response amid the coronavirus pandemic.
All of them close together, and no masks?
 

mzkitty

I give up.
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Lake Elsinore Man Says He Regrets Attending Party, Then Dies of Coronavirus
Tommy Macias went to a party with friends a few weeks ago, then he got a phone call from one of those friends saying he tested positive for COVID19, and everyone should get tested.
Published 25 mins ago • Updated 19 mins ago

The family of a Lake Elsinore man says he died of COVID-19 after going to a party and becoming infected, and he even posted about feeling sick on social media, saying he regretted going to the gathering.

Tommy Macias went to a party with friends a few weeks ago, then he got a phone call from one of those friends saying he tested positive for COVID19, and everyone should get tested.

Just days later, Macias died in the hospital.

Laughing and being goofy is how the family of Macias says they want to remember him.
"He was just a fun loving person. He loved to pick on people. He loved to crack jokes about everything," said his niece, Danielle Lopez.

Her uncle posted on Facebook days before his death saying he contracted the coronavirus after going out and he worried about putting the rest of his family’s health in jeopardy.

The 51-year-old attended a party in Lake Elsinore after quarantining for months.

"It was just one moment for him. Because things were becoming so much more lenient, he hadn’t seen his friends for so long, he thought things were getting better and he decided to go see them and so quickly he was taken from us," she said.

Macias started feeling sick and thought it was issues with his diabetes, but last Sunday he had breathing trouble and was rushed to the hospital.

He was intubated, and put on a ventilator, but died two hours later.

"We wish we could have told him how much we love him. And to be able to say goodbye," Lopez said.

As coronavirus cases keep going up and many counties make adjustments to the reopening process, Lopez said she wants everyone to know how devastating the virus can really be.

"You can’t just assume you’re OK. You need to take that extra precaution to protect everyone around you. It just seems like it should be common sense and common courtesy to not unknowingly cause this harm onto other people," she said.


 

jward

passin' thru
So, this wraps up phase I, the first six months of the CV19.. . ..the drum beats for phase II are discernible in the distance, and drawing nearer all the time

Last updated: July 01, 2020, 02:18 GMT




United States

Coronavirus Cases:

2,727,853

Deaths:
130,122

Recovered:
1,143,334

Projections



Closed Cases
1,273,456
Cases which had an outcome:
1,143,334 (90%)
Recovered / Discharged
130,122 (10%)
Deaths
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