What I read here was that the best approach was to ignore the plague. Why do I think that would never work because the MSM would try to hang it around the neck of Trump (Metaphor there) They would have been screaming for the heavens (metaphor there) to witness Trump inaction. In fact, I think there is a move right now to blame Trump for not acting earlier thus causing the deaths of 1000's of people.
Influenza Pandemic Peer Reviewed Study: ‘There Is No Basis For Quarantine’
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Influenza Pandemic Peer Reviewed Study: ‘There Is No Basis for Quarantine’
‘A manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe’ without strong political and public health leadership
By Katy Grimes, May 18, 2020 2:15 am
‘The ordinary surgical mask does little to prevent inhalation of small droplets bearing influenza virus’
A 2006 study on Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza concluded “there is no basis for recommending quarantine either of groups or individuals.”
The study is authored by Center for Biosecurity of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, Baltimore, Maryland COO and Deputy Director Thomas V. Inglesby, MD; Senior Analyst Jennifer B. Nuzzo, SM; CEO and Director Tara O’Toole, MD, MPH; and Distinguished Scholar D. A. Henderson, MD, MPH.
The authors recommend large scale community vaccination as a means of preventing influenza infection. As important, they say the isolation of sick people in home and hospitals, the use of antiviral medications, and of course, hand-washing and respiratory etiquette.
As for the mandatory mask-wearing orders some counties and Mayors are imposing on citizens: “studies have shown that the ordinary surgical mask does little to prevent inhalation of small droplets bearing influenza virus,” the doctors reported. “The pores in the mask become blocked by moisture from breathing, and the air stream simply diverts around the mask.”
The authors found Large-Scale Quarantine Measures, Travel Restrictions Travel restrictions, ineffective and potentially devastating:
A World Health Organization (WHO) Writing Group, after reviewing the literature and considering contemporary international experience, concluded that “forced isolation and quarantine are ineffective and impractical.”2 Despite this recommendation by experts, mandatory large-scale quarantine continues to be considered as an option by some authorities and government officials.35,43 The interest in quarantine reflects the views and conditions prevalent more than 50 years ago, when much less was known about the epidemiology of infectious diseases and when there was far less international and domestic travel in a less densely populated world. It is difficult to identify circumstances in the past half-century when large-scale quarantine has been effectively used in the control of any disease. The negative consequences of large-scale quarantine are so extreme (forced confinement of sick people with the well; complete restriction of movement of large populations; difficulty in getting critical supplies, medicines, and food to people inside the quarantine zone) that this mitigation measure should be eliminated from serious consideration.
Shelter-in-place does not work, these doctors say, and does more harm then good. Forcing people to wear a mask does absolutely nothing unless it is a N95 mask, and then should only be used by medical professionals.
Quarantining healthy people is counter productive.
Cancelling all sporting events, closing schools, killing tourism, killing off “non-essential” businesses does nothing except to destroy the state’s economy and make more Californians dependent on government – which obviously is the goal of Gov. Newsom and the tyrant mayors of the state.
Specifically, the doctors said about Quarantine:
As experience shows, there is no basis for recommending quarantine either of groups or individuals. The problems in implementing such measures are formidable, and secondary effects of absenteeism and community disruption as well as possible adverse consequences, such as loss of public trust in government and stigmatization of quarantined people and groups, are likely to be considerable. Screening passengers at borders or closing air or rail hubs. Experience has shown that these actions are not effective and could have serious adverse consequences; thus, they are not recommended. An overriding principle. Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.
Constitutional attorney Mark Meuser speaks about this peer reviewed study:
The doctors offer an overriding principle: “Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.”
The total destruction of an economy qualifies as a catastrophe. As Attorney Meuser said, “They can dictate whatever they want if you live in fear.” Californians, experiencing neither strong political or public health leadership, are being lied to.
As the Globe reported April 6th, Many physicians are now saying the lockdown and social distancing orders are preventing herd immunity, and will drag out the course of the virus. “Stanford biophysicist and Nobel laureate Michael Levitt said, ‘The real situation is not as nearly as terrible as they make it out to be.'” Levitt emphasized: “[Y]ou need to think of corona like a severe flu. It is four to eight times as strong as a common flu, and yet, most people will remain healthy and humanity will survive.’”
No comment yet from the governor on the Stanford or USC studies published recently which show that the death rate from the virus is likely to be as low as 0.18% of COVID-19 patients, or lower.
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And by some magic, they're sure any virus will be polite and not enter with your food?! Good grief!
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Yes, and they're sure they won't touch the edge of the mask with their fork? Seems risky to me.
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Some of us do have problems breathing when wearing a mask, I have low lung function due
to black toxic mold exposure, among other health problems. My Dr. advised against wearing a mask
they give you a false sense of security, according to him. But if you want to wear a mask that's a persons
personal choice. I won't shop at stores that demand 1, that's my personal choice.
to black toxic mold exposure, among other health problems. My Dr. advised against wearing a mask
they give you a false sense of security, according to him. But if you want to wear a mask that's a persons
personal choice. I won't shop at stores that demand 1, that's my personal choice.
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The coronavirus may damage nature for years to come
Having worked in the Third World (specifically sub-Saharan Africa) for many years, I've been expecting an uptick in human predation on the ...
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The coronavirus may damage nature for years to come
"Having worked in the Third World (specifically sub-Saharan Africa) for many years, I've been expecting an uptick in human predation on the environment, due to many people being thrown out of work by the coronavirus pandemic and becoming desperate to survive. It looks like that's already happening worldwide. The BBC reports:
There's more at the link.
In my old African stamping-grounds, this is particularly evident. When so many people are surviving on the ragged edge of starvation, any added burden like the coronavirus pandemic will drive those barely "making it", now deprived of what little opportunity they had, to turn to anything available - even if that means destroying nature around them. It's that, or die, as far as they're concerned. The BBC again:
It isn't just for food or money, either. Animals that compete with humans for scarce resources will be regarded as a threat, and eliminated on the simple basis of economic competition. Headlines from Botswana this week bear that out.
Again, more at the link. Bold, underlined text is my emphasis.
I know that part of the world. The only income - I repeat, the only income - in the area comes from tourism to the Okavango Delta, one of the greatest game reserves in the world. It's an almost unbelievably beautiful place, one that I hope to visit again before I die . . . but the people living there must compete with wildlife to survive. As long as they derive income from tourists, that's not a problem. Take away the tourists (as has happened over the past couple of months), and it's a different story. I'm willing to bet that those 56 elephants were probably poisoned, just as poachers in Zimbabwe have used cyanide to poison elephants in nature reserves and steal their tusks. If it's a question of "we eat our crops, or the elephants eat our crops", the elephants will go to the wall.
Ecological and environmental sensitivity is basically a rich person's prerogative. Those living on the margins are just trying to stay alive, and they'll do whatever it takes - even if that means destroying the world they live in. As far as they're concerned, they're living for today. Tomorrow? If they live long enough to see tomorrow, they'll worry about it then.
That's already been a death sentence for ecologically sensitive areas and endangered animal (and human) populations all over the world. It's likely to get worse, more's the pity, because the richer First World is preoccupied right now with economic survival and regrowth. It doesn't have money to spare to help with Third World problems.
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Thanks Marsh for the link. Added to my links.
Tristan, there is a number of the articles that are interesting.
Texican....
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Thank you very much Matt, for you excellent insights and knowledge.
Somalia and Sweden https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m... Elderly vit D https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... https://www.change.org/p/1-in-5-in-th... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11... vit d https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11... https://www.gov.scot/publications/vit... Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults About 42% of the US population is vitamin D deficient. However, this rate rises to 82% in black people and 70% in Hispanics Vit D in Indonesia https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Vit D https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32252... Vit D and COVID https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3... Vit D deficiency in Ireland https://tilda.tcd.ie/publications/rep... Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2... https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/... https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/... Vit D and COVID https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3... https://www.researchsquare.com/articl... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
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Dr. John Campbell
Thank you very much Matt, for you excellent insights and knowledge.
Somalia and Sweden https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m... Elderly vit D https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... https://www.change.org/p/1-in-5-in-th... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11... vit d https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11... https://www.gov.scot/publications/vit... Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults About 42% of the US population is vitamin D deficient. However, this rate rises to 82% in black people and 70% in Hispanics Vit D in Indonesia https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Vit D https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32252... Vit D and COVID https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3... Vit D deficiency in Ireland https://tilda.tcd.ie/publications/rep... Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2... https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/... https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/... Vit D and COVID https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3... https://www.researchsquare.com/articl... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
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'It’s something I have never seen': How the Covid-19 virus hijacks cells
The new insights might explain why the elderly are more likely to die of #Covid19 and why antiviral drugs might not only save patients' lives but prevent severe disease if taken before infection.
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‘It’s something I have never seen’: How the Covid-19 virus hijacks cells
IN THE LAB By SHARON BEGLEY @sxbegle
MAY 21, 2020
A deep dive into how the new coronavirus infects cells has found that it orchestrates a hostile takeover of their genes unlike any other known viruses do, producing what one leading scientist calls “unique” and “aberrant” changes.
Recent studies show that in seizing control of genes in the human cells it invades, the virus changes how segments of DNA are read, doing so in a way that might explain why the elderly are more likely to die of Covid-19 and why antiviral drugs might not only save sick patients’ lives but also prevent severe disease if taken before infection.
“It’s something I have never seen in my 20 years of” studying viruses, said virologist Benjamin tenOever of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, referring to how SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, hijacks cells’ genomes.
The “something” he and his colleagues saw is how SARS-CoV-2 blocks one virus-fighting set of genes but allows another set to launch, a pattern never seen with other viruses. Influenza and the original SARS virus (in the early 2000s), for instance, interfere with both arms of the body’s immune response — what tenOever dubs “call to arms” genes and “call for reinforcement” genes.
The first group of genes produces interferons. These proteins, which infected cells release, are biological semaphores, signaling to neighboring cells to activate some 500 of their own genes that will slow down the virus’ ability to make millions of copies of itself if it invades them. This lasts seven to 10 days, tenOever said, controlling virus replication and thereby buying time for the second group of genes to act.
This second set of genes produce their own secreted proteins, called chemokines, that emit a biochemical “come here!” alarm. When far-flung antibody-making B cells and virus-killing T cells sense the alarm, they race to its source. If all goes well, the first set of genes holds the virus at bay long enough for the lethal professional killers to arrive and start eradicating viruses.
“Most other viruses interfere with some aspect of both the call to arms and the call for reinforcements,” tenOever said. “If they didn’t, no one would ever get a viral illness”: The one-two punch would pummel any incipient infection into submission.
SARS-CoV-2, however, uniquely blocks one cellular defense but activates the other, he and his colleagues reported in a study published last week in Cell. They studied healthy human lung cells growing in lab dishes, ferrets (which the virus infects easily), and lung cells from Covid-19 patients. In all three, they found that within three days of infection, the virus induces cells’ call-for-reinforcement genes to produce cytokines. But it blocks their call-to-arms genes — the interferons that dampen the virus’ replication.
The result is essentially no brakes on the virus’s replication, but a storm of inflammatory molecules in the lungs, which is what tenOever calls an “unique” and “aberrant” consequence of how SARS-CoV-2 manipulates the genome of its target.
In another new study, scientists in Japan last week identified how SARS-CoV-2 accomplishes that genetic manipulation. Its ORF3b gene produces a protein called a transcription factor that has “strong anti-interferon activity,” Kei Sato of the University of Tokyo and colleagues found — stronger than the original SARS virus or influenza viruses. The protein basically blocks the cell from recognizing that a virus is present, in a way that prevents interferon genes from being expressed.
In fact, the Icahn School team found no interferons in the lung cells of Covid-19 patients. Without interferons, tenOever said, “there is nothing to stop the virus from replicating and festering in the lungs forever.”
That causes lung cells to emit even more “call-for-reinforcement” genes, summoning more and more immune cells. Now the lungs have macrophages and neutrophils and other immune cells “everywhere,” tenOever said, causing such runaway inflammation “that you start having inflammation that induces more inflammation.”
At the same time, unchecked viral replication kills lung cells involved in oxygen exchange. “And suddenly you’re in the hospital in severe respiratory distress,” he said.
In elderly people, as well as those with diabetes, heart disease, and other underlying conditions, the call-to-arms part of the immune system is weaker than in younger, healthier people, even before the coronavirus arrives. That reduces even further the cells’ ability to knock down virus replication with interferons, and imbalances the immune system toward the dangerous inflammatory response.
The discovery that SARS-CoV-2 strongly suppresses infected cells’ production of interferons has raised an intriguing possibility: that taking interferons might prevent severe Covid-19 or even prevent it in the first place, said Vineet Menachery of the University of Texas Medical Branch.
In a study of human cells growing in lab dishes, described in a preprint (not peer-reviewed or published in a journal yet), he and his colleagues also found that SARS-CoV-2 “prevents the vast amount” of interferon genes from turning on. But when cells growing in lab dishes received the interferon IFN-1 before exposure to the coronavirus, “the virus has a difficult time replicating.”
After a few days, the amount of virus in infected but interferon-treated cells was 1,000- to 10,000-fold lower than in infected cells not pre-treated with interferon. (The original SARS virus, in contrast, is insensitive to interferon.)
Ending the pandemic and preventing its return is assumed to require an effective vaccine to prevent infection and antiviral drugs such as remdesivir to treat the very sick, but the genetic studies suggest a third strategy: preventive drugs.
It’s possible that treatment with so-called type-1 interferon “could stop the virus before it could get established,” Menachery said.
Giving drugs to healthy people is always a dicey proposition, since all drugs have side effects — something considered less acceptable than when a drug is used to treat an illness. “Interferon treatment is rife with complications,” Menachery warned. The various interferons, which are prescribed for hepatitis, cancers, and many other diseases, can cause flu-like symptoms.
But the risk-benefit equation might shift, both for individuals and for society, if interferons or antivirals or other medications are shown to reduce the risk of developing serious Covid-19 or even make any infection nearly asymptomatic.
Interferon “would be warning the cells the virus is coming,” Menachery said, so such pretreatment might “allow treated cells to fend off the virus better and limit its spread.” Determining that will of course require clinical trials, which are underway.
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For people who live on or earn their income from the streets, COVID-19 has made their lives exponentially harder—they may be more vulnerable to the novel coronavirus and to other outcomes like violence, injury, or illness. Caring for these populations is necessary for public health, says Dr. Susan Sherman, founder of a harm reduction center in Baltimore. Dr. Sherman talks to guest host Dr. Colleen Barry about her outreach work during COVID and how principles of dignity and respect are even more important at a moment like this one.
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Steve Bannon, Jack Maxey, Jason Miller, and Raheem Kassam discuss the latest on the coronavirus pandemic as pressure to hold China accountable for the global outbreak continues to mount. Trish Regan calls in to discuss the economic carnage that has taken a toll on America. Also calling in is Justin Danhof to discuss the BlackRock shareholders call that took place today. Keep on top of developments:
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•May 21, 2020
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The coronavirus is changing how we travel. Public transport is a 'no go' for many. They're afraid of catching the virus. Some are turning to motorbikes and bicycles. A lot of cities are taking steps: European and American capitals are rolling out thousands of kilometers of bike ways, to push for more cycling as part of a greener future. Some are aslo offering free bikesharing. Global centers are automating crossing signals. You now don't need a ticket in dozens of cities during the crisis. The crisis is changing mobility for good. But for better or worse? Critics say clearing lanes will create bigger traffic jams and thus cause more pollution and noise. Or could more people ditch cars altogether?
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•May 21, 2020
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More than 5 million people are now known to have contracted the coronavirus. New infections are easing in Europe and the US, but experts say a second wave is inevitable.
New cases are surging in Latin America. Brazil, which reported the continent's first case back in February, is seeing the most new cases. On Wednesday alone, the country recorded almost 20,000 new infections. If the trend continues, its likely that Brazil could soon have the second-highest number of cases in the world.
Turkey's economy was in trouble before the coronavirus outbreak and its economic fallout hit the country. The Turkish lira has tumbled against the dollar and central bank interventions aren't helping much.
Some of today's other coronavirus developments: - The Chinese city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, has issued a total ban on hunting, breeding and eating wild animals. Research suggests the virus is most likely spread from wild animals to humans through such practices. -
A top US scientist has said people should not count on a vaccine being developed soon. William Haseltine says the best approach is to manage the spread of the virus through contact tracing and strict isolation measures amid fresh outbreaks.
- Iran's deputy health minister says some TEN THOUSAND health workers have been infected with the virus.
- A meat processing plant in the Netherlands has been closed - after some 45 employees tested positive for the COVID-19. It's the latest in a number of large outbreaks in slaughterhouses.
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Well that isn't very alarmist of you. I believe we're supposed to
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Makes me cryThe coronavirus may damage nature for years to come
Having worked in the Third World (specifically sub-Saharan Africa) for many years, I've been expecting an uptick in human predation on the ...
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The coronavirus may damage nature for years to come
"Having worked in the Third World (specifically sub-Saharan Africa) for many years, I've been expecting an uptick in human predation on the environment, due to many people being thrown out of work by the coronavirus pandemic and becoming desperate to survive. It looks like that's already happening worldwide. The BBC reports:
There's more at the link.
In my old African stamping-grounds, this is particularly evident. When so many people are surviving on the ragged edge of starvation, any added burden like the coronavirus pandemic will drive those barely "making it", now deprived of what little opportunity they had, to turn to anything available - even if that means destroying nature around them. It's that, or die, as far as they're concerned. The BBC again:
It isn't just for food or money, either. Animals that compete with humans for scarce resources will be regarded as a threat, and eliminated on the simple basis of economic competition. Headlines from Botswana this week bear that out.
Again, more at the link. Bold, underlined text is my emphasis.
I know that part of the world. The only income - I repeat, the only income - in the area comes from tourism to the Okavango Delta, one of the greatest game reserves in the world. It's an almost unbelievably beautiful place, one that I hope to visit again before I die . . . but the people living there must compete with wildlife to survive. As long as they derive income from tourists, that's not a problem. Take away the tourists (as has happened over the past couple of months), and it's a different story. I'm willing to bet that those 56 elephants were probably poisoned, just as poachers in Zimbabwe have used cyanide to poison elephants in nature reserves and steal their tusks. If it's a question of "we eat our crops, or the elephants eat our crops", the elephants will go to the wall.
Ecological and environmental sensitivity is basically a rich person's prerogative. Those living on the margins are just trying to stay alive, and they'll do whatever it takes - even if that means destroying the world they live in. As far as they're concerned, they're living for today. Tomorrow? If they live long enough to see tomorrow, they'll worry about it then.
That's already been a death sentence for ecologically sensitive areas and endangered animal (and human) populations all over the world. It's likely to get worse, more's the pity, because the richer First World is preoccupied right now with economic survival and regrowth. It doesn't have money to spare to help with Third World problems.
Peter"
Tristan
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Well that isn't very alarmist of you. I believe we're supposed to
No doubt many are doing that.
The whole thing has become so politicized that it's nearly impossible to winnow out useful data from the daily reports.
jward
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Oh my, It became too much of a sky screaming festival for me weeks ago. I try to focus on the forest now, and will let history sort the chit sandwhiches- though I do pray daily that all the chefs involved get an early start to their stint burning in hell, I'm ashamed to admit.
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School students around the world return to class, COVID-19-safe classrooms are the new normal
•May 21, 2020
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As countries around the world ease coronavirus restrictions, many students are returning to the classroom, but there are still concerns over how to keep children safe. Holly Williams reports.
There are no "Covid-19-safe" classrooms.
Maybe "safer", but not "safe".
We need a treatment. Then at least those who become exposed have a better chance.
But, for some reason they keep denigrating all positive reports from around the world. Hmmm, I wonder why?
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Gov. Cuomo: ‘Ask President Trump’ about nursing home deaths
That lying son of a bitch.
FUAC!
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Because all of these countries are known for their fantastic healthcare and medical educations.
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Pennsylvania COVID-19 Numbers
Current number of positive results, age breakdowns, hospitalizations, and more.
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COVID-19 Data for Pennsylvania*
* Map, tables, case counts and deaths last updated at 12:00 p.m. on 5/21/2020
Source: Pennsylvania National Electronic Disease Surveillance System (PA-NEDSS) as of 12:00 a.m. on 5/21/2020
Case Counts, Deaths, and Negatives
| Total Cases* | Deaths | Negative |
| 65,392 | 4,869 | 303,514 |
* Total case counts include confirmed and probable cases.
Hospital Data
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Positive Cases by Age Range to Date
| Age Range | Percent of Cases* |
| 0-4 | < 1% |
| 5-12 | < 1% |
| 13-18 | 2% |
| 19-24 | 6% |
| 25-49 | 37% |
| 50-64 | 26% |
| 65+ | 29% |
Hospitalization Rates by Age Range to Date
| Age Range | Percent of Cases |
| 0-29 | 2% |
| 30-49 | 5% |
| 50-64 | 10% |
| 65-79 | 20% |
| 80+ | 19% |
Death Data
County Case Counts to Date
| County | Total Cases | Negatives |
| Adams | 204 | 2360 |
| Allegheny | 1718 | 24958 |
| Armstrong | 58 | 1083 |
| Beaver | 539 | 2952 |
| Bedford | 36 | 563 |
| Berks | 3784 | 9407 |
| Blair | 44 | 2138 |
| Bradford | 43 | 1238 |
| Bucks | 4726 | 15691 |
| Butler | 209 | 3248 |
| Cambria | 55 | 2956 |
| Cameron | 2 | 110 |
| Carbon | 221 | 1888 |
| Centre | 136 | 1697 |
| Chester | 2267 | 9558 |
| Clarion | 25 | 608 |
| Clearfield | 33 | 897 |
| Clinton | 48 | 463 |
| Columbia | 342 | 1105 |
| Crawford | 21 | 937 |
| Cumberland | 565 | 3553 |
| Dauphin | 1034 | 8328 |
| Delaware | 5969 | 16546 |
| Elk | 6 | 272 |
| Erie | 177 | 3558 |
| Fayette | 93 | 2728 |
| Forest | 7 | 62 |
| Franklin | 677 | 4426 |
| Fulton | 14 | 182 |
| Greene | 27 | 668 |
| Huntingdon | 221 | 690 |
| Indiana | 88 | 1071 |
| Jefferson | 7 | 443 |
| Juniata | 94 | 290 |
| Lackawanna | 1432 | 4907 |
| Lancaster | 2690 | 12916 |
| Lawrence | 73 | 1083 |
| Lebanon | 887 | 3860 |
| Lehigh | 3586 | 11888 |
| Luzerne | 2594 | 8913 |
| Lycoming | 152 | 1882 |
| McKean | 11 | 447 |
| Mercer | 97 | 1257 |
| Mifflin | 57 | 1059 |
| Monroe | 1291 | 4688 |
| Montgomery | 6268 | 27941 |
| Montour | 51 | 3089 |
| Northampton | 2814 | 10975 |
| Northumberland | 150 | 1179 |
| Perry | 43 | 562 |
| Philadelphia | 16840 | 46470 |
| Pike | 473 | 1770 |
| Potter | 4 | 123 |
| Schuylkill | 548 | 3769 |
| Snyder | 33 | 331 |
| Somerset | 37 | 1414 |
| Sullivan | 2 | 78 |
| Susquehanna | 90 | 566 |
| Tioga | 16 | 461 |
| Union | 61 | 877 |
| Venango | 8 | 417 |
| Warren | 3 | 294 |
| Washington | 130 | 3560 |
| Wayne | 112 | 798 |
| Westmoreland | 434 | 7780 |
| Wyoming | 32 | 372 |
| York | 883 | 11114 |
Incidence by County
Incidence is calculated by dividing the current number of confirmed and probable COVID-19 cases reported to the Department by the 2018 county population data available from the Bureau of Health Statistics. The counties are divided into 6 relatively equally-sized groups based on their incidence rate (i.e. sestiles). Cases are determined using a national COVID-19 case definition. There currently is no way to estimate the true number of infected persons. Incidence rates are based on the number of known cases, not the number of true infected persons.
Case Counts by Sex to Date
| Sex | Positive Cases | Percent of Cases* |
| Female | 35,909 | 55% |
| Male | 28,799 | 44% |
| Neither | 3 | 0% |
| Not reported | 681 | 1% |
Case Counts by Race to Date*
| Race | Positive Cases | Percent of Cases** |
| African American/Black | 7795 | 12% |
| Asian | 868 | 1% |
| White | 17,102 | 26% |
| Other | 356 | 1% |
| Not reported | 39,271 | 60% |
** Percentages may not total 100% due to rounding
Case Counts by Region to Date
| Region | Positive | Negative | Inconclusive |
| Northcentral | 981 | 12523 | 17 |
| Northeast | 12385 | 46765 | 140 |
| Northwest | 394 | 10385 | 18 |
| Southcentral | 4595 | 39125 | 75 |
| Southeast | 42180 | 142298 | 877 |
| Southwest | 3195 | 52418 | 43 |
EpiCurve by Region
Case counts are displayed by the date that the cases were first reported to the PA-NEDSS surveillance system. Case counts by date of report can vary significantly from day to day for a variety of reasons. In addition to changes due to actual changes in disease incidence, trends are strongly influenced by testing patterns (who gets tested and why), testing availability, lab analysis backlogs, lab reporting delays, new labs joining our electronic laboratory reporting system, mass screenings, etc. Trends need to be sustained for at least 2-3 weeks before any conclusions can be made regarding the progress of the pandemic.
COVID-19 Cases Associated with Nursing Homes and Personal Care Homes to Date
This data represents long-term care facilities in Pennsylvania, including Department of Health and Department of Human Services regulated facilities.
- COVID-19 Long-Term Care Facilities Data (updated 5/19/2020)
* is less than 5 cases
meandk0610
Veteran Member
That overlooks the people who will have long-term organ damage.
jward
passin' thru
Per FreeRepublic...
Gov. Cuomo: ‘Ask President Trump’ about nursing home deaths
www.freerepublic.com
That lying son of a bitch.
FUAC!
Are they not aware of this nifty new fangled stuff we have that lets us record their words and deeds????
I guess this is why they want everyone drunk stoned and on psychotropic meds. :: shakes head at em we know what you did. we know what you said. And it's not working! ::
meandk0610
Veteran Member
Perhaps this is not a good option for you, but my dad has lung damage due to sarcoidosis as well as COPD. He wears a mask over his oxygen tubes because it would lower the viral load of any viruses he was exposed to. Maybe that would be a better option for you?
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
That's part of what angers me so about this particular thing. Andrew Cuomo owns this, and I'm sure he knows he does. What is his psychological response to this guilt? Blame someone else. He doesn't look like a 5-year-old, but he sure acts like one.
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Unbelievable. Covid is bringing out the worst in people. This was brought about by a youth group gong around Wylie praying for the citizens and the city.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - Women should remain silent in the ...
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - New International Version
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 New International Version (NIV). 34 Women [] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
1 Timothy 2:11-13 NIV - A woman should learn in quietness ...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+2:11-12&version=NIV
1 Timothy 2:11-12 New International Version (NIV) 11 A woman [ a ] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; [ b ] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
The law of the Old Testament was fulfilied by Jesus. The male dominance from the time of Jesus is repeated due to following the Old Testament instead of the Jesus's teachings. Jesus did not state this.
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue probably will not be mayor for long and rightly so.
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public prayer be young men,’ Wylie mayor writes in email
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue said that women can't pray at city council meetings, citing two New Testament passages, in an email to a fellow council member.
Texas mayor says women can't pray at city council meetings in email to fellow council member
Author: Jason Trahan, Jobin Panicker
Published: 9:50 PM CDT May 20, 2020
Updated: 9:50 PM CDT May 20, 2020
In an email posted online, the mayor of a small town north of Dallas says that women cannot lead prayer at public city council meetings because the Bible forbids it.
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue cited two New Testament passages in an email to another member of the Wylie City Council, who suggested some local students be allowed to lead the public prayer at the next council meeting on May 26.
“All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men,” Hogue wrote on May 17. “As a preacher for the Cottonwood Church of Christ, we take the two verses below literally.”
He then quotes 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, which, according to his email, says: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
He then quotes 1 Timothy 2:11-12: “Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”
Hogue verified the email's authenticity to WFAA when reached by phone late Wednesday. He clarified his beliefs.
“I believe a lady can be president of the United States,” Hogue said. “I believe a lady can be CEO of a company, the superintendent of a school district. But I believe, and this is me, when it comes to [picking] somebody to lead the invocation at a city council meeting, because of those two sets of verses, I’m going to choose a male.”
Mayor Eric Hogue said in an email to a Wylie City Council member that women should not be allowed to pray at public meetings.
He said he has been pastor at Cottonwood Church of Christ in Wylie since 2010. He is currently serving his last term as mayor after 12 years.
“If you attend Church of Christ, there will not be a female preacher. There will not be a female song leader. There will not be a female that leads the prayer," Hogue said. "Now, there will be ladies that teach other ladies. There will be ladies that teach the children’s classes. But when we’re in a worship service, we’re in a religious service, based on what the scriptures teach, the guys do that.”
He said he has been married 33 years.
“My wife would not stick around if I was anti, you know, like that. I mean, we are equal partners in everything," Hogue said.
Wylie City Council member Jeff Forrester received the email from Hogue. He told WFAA late Wednesday that he "was shocked by his response."
“I certainly don’t share those beliefs. I think we’re all created equally in the eyes of God and in the eyes of our government," Forrester said.
He said in his nearly five years serving on the council, “I’ve never observed Mayor Hogue ever speak ill of women."
When asked how the email ended up online, he said the city manager told him it was released through an open records request.
The email ended up on the mayor's church's Facebook page, as well as a page called Befuddled by the Clowns, which is devoted to Wylie local politics.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - Women should remain silent in the ...
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 New International Version (NIV). 34 Women [] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
1 Timothy 2:11-13 NIV - A woman should learn in quietness ...
1 Timothy 2:11-12 New International Version (NIV) 11 A woman [ a ] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; [ b ] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
The law of the Old Testament was fulfilied by Jesus. The male dominance from the time of Jesus is repeated due to following the Old Testament instead of the Jesus's teachings. Jesus did not state this.
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue probably will not be mayor for long and rightly so.
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‘All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men,’ Wylie mayor writes in email
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue said that women can't pray at city council meetings, citing two New Testament passages, in an email to a fellow councilmember.
www.wfaa.com
public prayer be young men,’ Wylie mayor writes in email
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue said that women can't pray at city council meetings, citing two New Testament passages, in an email to a fellow council member.
Texas mayor says women can't pray at city council meetings in email to fellow council member
Author: Jason Trahan, Jobin Panicker
Published: 9:50 PM CDT May 20, 2020
Updated: 9:50 PM CDT May 20, 2020
In an email posted online, the mayor of a small town north of Dallas says that women cannot lead prayer at public city council meetings because the Bible forbids it.
Wylie Mayor Eric Hogue cited two New Testament passages in an email to another member of the Wylie City Council, who suggested some local students be allowed to lead the public prayer at the next council meeting on May 26.
“All I ask is that those leading the public prayer be young men,” Hogue wrote on May 17. “As a preacher for the Cottonwood Church of Christ, we take the two verses below literally.”
He then quotes 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, which, according to his email, says: “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
He then quotes 1 Timothy 2:11-12: “Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”
Hogue verified the email's authenticity to WFAA when reached by phone late Wednesday. He clarified his beliefs.
“I believe a lady can be president of the United States,” Hogue said. “I believe a lady can be CEO of a company, the superintendent of a school district. But I believe, and this is me, when it comes to [picking] somebody to lead the invocation at a city council meeting, because of those two sets of verses, I’m going to choose a male.”
Mayor Eric Hogue said in an email to a Wylie City Council member that women should not be allowed to pray at public meetings.
He said he has been pastor at Cottonwood Church of Christ in Wylie since 2010. He is currently serving his last term as mayor after 12 years.
“If you attend Church of Christ, there will not be a female preacher. There will not be a female song leader. There will not be a female that leads the prayer," Hogue said. "Now, there will be ladies that teach other ladies. There will be ladies that teach the children’s classes. But when we’re in a worship service, we’re in a religious service, based on what the scriptures teach, the guys do that.”
He said he has been married 33 years.
“My wife would not stick around if I was anti, you know, like that. I mean, we are equal partners in everything," Hogue said.
Wylie City Council member Jeff Forrester received the email from Hogue. He told WFAA late Wednesday that he "was shocked by his response."
“I certainly don’t share those beliefs. I think we’re all created equally in the eyes of God and in the eyes of our government," Forrester said.
He said in his nearly five years serving on the council, “I’ve never observed Mayor Hogue ever speak ill of women."
When asked how the email ended up online, he said the city manager told him it was released through an open records request.
The email ended up on the mayor's church's Facebook page, as well as a page called Befuddled by the Clowns, which is devoted to Wylie local politics.
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On TB every waking moment
11:05 min
COVID-19 TYRANTS: How Local Government & Lockdown are Destroying our Bill of Rights
•May 21, 2020
Glenn Beck
Like those who stood for freedom in the four Civil Rights Movements of our past, Americans are now facing a new tyrant: elected leaders across the US. The COVID-19 virus is giving them the opportunity to destroy our Bill of Rights one right at a time, and if we don't begin fighting like Thomas Paine, Abraham Lincoln, and Martin Luther King Jr. once did, this coronavirus pandemic will destroy everything we love about the USA.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
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StarryEyedLad
désespéré pour le ciel
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv4yeHoJ9Wg
3:25 min
School students around the world return to class, COVID-19-safe classrooms are the new normal
•May 21, 2020
CBS This Morning
As countries around the world ease coronavirus restrictions, many students are returning to the classroom, but there are still concerns over how to keep children safe. Holly Williams reports.
Quaint little scenes like the one depicted aren't going to work in places where they're packing thirty-plus kids into a classroom, which seems to be the norm everywhere now.
danielboon
TB Fanatic
BREAKING NEWS Massachusetts coronavirus cases: 6,148 deaths, 90,084 positive tests Massachusetts coronavirus cases: 6,148 deaths, 90,084 positive tests 82 new deaths down from yesterday