WAR Main Armenia Versus Azerbaijan War Thread - Open Hostilities Underway Now

Red Baron

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northern watch said:
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TOS-1A thermobaric MLRS system

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A thermobaric weapon, aerosol bomb, or vacuum bomb[1] is a type of explosive that uses oxygen from the surrounding air to generate a high-temperature explosion. In practice, the blast wave typically produced by such a weapon is of a significantly longer duration than that produced by a conventional condensed explosive. The fuel–air explosive (FAE) is one of the best-known types of thermobaric weapon.

Most conventional explosives consist of a fuel–oxidizer premix (gunpowder, for example, contains 25% fuel and 75% oxidizer), whereas thermobaric weapons are almost 100% fuel, so thermobaric weapons are significantly more energetic than conventional condensed explosives of equal weight. Their reliance on atmospheric oxygen makes them unsuitable for use underwater, at high altitude, and in adverse weather. They are, however, considerably more destructive when used against field fortifications such as foxholes, tunnels, bunkers, and caves—partly due to the sustained blast wave and partly by consuming the oxygen inside.

Many types of thermobaric weapons can be fitted to hand-held launchers.[2]
 
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Lilbitsnana said:
I hope I am wrong, but I suspect we have not even gotten to the "bad" stuff yet; don't know if it is days, weeks or months away or less likely years away, but this week is probably the calm before the storm for that area.
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Libitsnana,

The Bad Stuff would be Russia and Turkey at war
 
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Wondering is war Erdoğan's desperate last ditch effort to unite Turkey behind him? Christian Armenia is seen as a common enemy. A while back he was forced to deal with a internal military revolt. Now a financial crisis? I'm surprised there is no word of the Kurds attacking Turkey's southern border.

It doesn't look like Erdoğan is in a position to sustain a war for any significant time without "help". The Armenians on the other hand expect to be attacked and have been at war for thousands of years. There is no love between Azerbaijan and Armenia. When the Soviet Union fell, unarmed civilian Armenian workers were shot fleeing Azerbaijan. It was sick. Refugees walking with suitcases being dropped along the roads home by snipers.

The last major military dust up brought Nagorno-Karabakh (AKA Artsakh) under Armenian control. This one could change some border lines not just for Armenia and Azerbaijan.

I think that Russia will step in before Armenia can acquire the oil fields or a Baltic Sea port.
 
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SouthernBreeze said:
Ok. Thanks. I don't know where I got the idea that the US was supporting Azerbaijan.'

I really don't know much about the region. I'll just keep watching......
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The US has bases in Turkey and Turkey is part of NATO. Turkey is siding with Azerbaijan. Turkish military providing assistance to Azerbaijan. Hence US arms and tech being supplied to the war effort via Turkey.
 
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Vegas321

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Erdogan, is Satin's maker. He wants to rule most of the ME and the Med. The US should stay out of this conflict. Let Putin put his boot down on Erdogan's throat.
A far as i'm concerned. Turkey has no right to invoke a Article 4, and should not remain in NATO.
 
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This is from July of 2020. Interesting timing that it's just now showing up on newscasts in the US?

Fair use.
Armenian Military Reveals Downed Azerbaijani Drones
•Jul 24, 2020
Military Coverage

Armenia showcased wreckage of fourteen combat drones used by the Azerbaijan military that it destroyed, a number of which were Israel-manufactured.

“These are the 14 UAVs of Azerbaijan (strategic, reconnaissance and strike) that we destroyed using our modern air defense systems,” Armenian Military of Defense said July 22.

The military held a rather unusual exhibition on Tuesday showcasing all of the drones it brought down, at Khanpertsyan Military Aviation University.

Among those identified are Hermes and Skystriker drones built by Israeli firm Elbit Systems. Other confirmed Israeli-origin drones are IAI Harop loitering munitions, Thunder B small tactical UAV designed by BlueBird Aero Systems, and Aeronautics Defense Systems’ Orbiter 2 and 3.

The images shared by the Armenian defense ministry show several drones intact, which were perhaps captured; and numerous burnt drone parts that appear to have been shot down.

According to Russia’s Avia.pro, Armenia received a shot in the arm from Russia in bringing down the UAVs. Russia lent a helping hand by providing its Container over-the-horizon radar providing Armenia with long distance airspace monitoring and ballistic missile detection capabilities.

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Dozdoats said:
Can anyone who knows more about this area and the US State Departement/military have an educated guess on WHY the US is about to turn their most expensive "embassy" in US history into a White Elephant mothballed in the Bagdad Dust?

Because the Iraq cash cow has been milked dry, and another one is now in the offing elsewhere. And RussiaRussiaRussia.

Follow The Money ....
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Wasn't Iran threatening us with retaliation over Solemani?
 
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Capt. Eddie said:
Let me see if I have this right... On Armenia's side - US, Russia, Greece, Cyprus. On Azerbaijan's side Turkey and Israel. Is that correct?
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No. US is on the side of Turkey and Israel. Turkey is siding with Azerbaijan. Turkey is part of NATO and the US still has military bases in Turkey. So the US in not on Armenia's side.

Armenia is and has been protected to some degree by Russia. Russia appears to be keeping a certain balance of power in the region. Unless things get really serious Russia lets the locals work things out. Sometimes that includes skirmishes along fluid borders. The lines you see on the regions maps are more of a suggestion than a reality.
 
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Old Gray Mare said:
No. US is on the side of Turkey and Israel. Turkey is siding with Azerbaijan. Turkey is part of NATO and the US still has military bases in Turkey. So the US in not on Armenia's side.

Armenia is and has been protected to some degree by Russia. Russia appears to be keeping a certain balance of power in the region. Unless things get really serious Russia lets the locals work things out. Sometimes that includes skirmishes along fluid borders. The lines you see on the regions maps are more of a suggestion than a reality.
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Thanks for that! It takes me back to my original thought that the US was siding with Azerbaijan along with Turkey and Israel.

Things tend to get a bit confusing. Too many moving parts.
 
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Capt. Eddie said:
Let me see if I have this right... On Armenia's side - US, Russia, Greece, Cyprus. On 's side Turkey and Israel. Is that correct?
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Israel just sells arms and uses Azerbaijan for operations against Iran. I would not say that Israel is on Azerbaijan's side. I do not expect Israeli military boots on the ground or Israeli jets in the air
 
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Capt. Eddie

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jward said:
Someone pointed out that it would be a case of Israel/US opposing sides, too-
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SouthernBreeze said:
Oh. I haven't heard that. I thought US and Israel were both supporting Azerbaijan. Russia supporting Armenia.
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northern watch said:
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SouthernBreeze said:
Ok. Thanks. I don't know where I got the idea that the US was supporting Azerbaijan.'

I really don't know much about the region. I'll just keep watching......
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Old Gray Mare said:
The US has bases in Turkey and Turkey is part of NATO. Turkey is siding with Azerbaijan. Turkish military providing assistance to Azerbaijan. Hence US arms and tech being supplied to the war effort via Turkey.
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SouthernBreeze said:
:popcorn3:Same question I have.
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Red Baron said:
The U.S. has supplied weapons and training to both sides. Russia supplies weapons to both sides also.

Business is business baby!
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Old Gray Mare said:
No. US is on the side of Turkey and Israel. Turkey is siding with Azerbaijan. Turkey is part of NATO and the US still has military bases in Turkey. So the US in not on Armenia's side.

Armenia is and has been protected to some degree by Russia. Russia appears to be keeping a certain balance of power in the region. Unless things get really serious Russia lets the locals work things out. Sometimes that includes skirmishes along fluid borders. The lines you see on the regions maps are more of a suggestion than a reality.
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SouthernBreeze said:
Thanks for that! It takes me back to my original thought that the US was siding with Azerbaijan along with Turkey and Israel.

Things tend to get a bit confusing. Too many moving parts.
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northern watch said:
Israel just sells arms and uses Azerbaijan for operations against Iran. I would not say that Israel is on Azerbaijan's side
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I give up.:confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
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Melodi said:
Can anyone who knows more about this area and the US State Departement/military have an educated guess on WHY the US is about to turn their most expensive "embassy" in US history into a White Elephant mothballed in the Bagdad Dust?

I mean people who have been there having told me it is as much a fortified small town/military base as it is an embassy and about as well fortified as anywhere can be in the modern world.

So the question is WHY? I mean I'm sure there is a "good" reason or one that seems like one, but I keep scratching my head as to what it is, and is it related to the new war front?
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No offensive U.S. military assets left in Baghdad to clean out the sponsored scheming problem children who likely have man-portable missiles/mortars/RPG capabilities - we handed over the job of Baghdad security to the Iraqi government, a while back - the problem children likely disbursed into small offensive coordinated groups, and difficult to defend against/eradicate at this time - they pop up unannounced to create a moment of destructive mayhem, to disappear just as fast.


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Red Baron

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The modern battlespace is getting much more hazardous for helicopters.

Main Battle Tanks are starting to use "smart" explosive projectiles that can be precisely programmed to airburst within yards of a flying target. Combined with advanced laser rangefinders and thermal imaging, helicopters can be very rapidly acquired and engaged.

Add to that, modern anti-tank rockets can also now be used against helicopters out to thousands of yards range.

Most modern Russian tracked and even wheeled armored personel carries have 30mm auto cannons which are deadlier than heavy machine guns for AA defense.

Helicopters need to fly very fast and very low to avoid destruction. Staying exposed for more than 15 seconds or so can spell disaster from all manner of weapons.
 
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