WAR Main Armenia Versus Azerbaijan War Thread - Open Hostilities Underway Now

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MoD of Armenia
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(1/2) The statement ofthe Armenian MoD The claims of the #Azerbaijan'i MoD that the shelling was started by the #Armenia'n side are completely #false. Moreover, the military-political leadership of was preparing an obvious information base for this provocation in recent days.
(2/2) As in all those cases, in the case of the latest large-scale provocation, it was also initiated by the #Azerbaijan'i #ArmedForces. The Armenian side has casualties. The data is being verified.
View: https://twitter.com/ArmeniaMODTeam/status/1569471786819153921?s=20&t=IAZSeTgvBhfxVp2262ot-g
 

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Ceasefire between Azerbaijan and Armenia restored​


Geopolitics Materials 13 September 2022 10:27

Baku, Azerbaijan Trend News Agency




After a large scale provocation by the Armenian troops on the state border and the counter measures taken by Azerbaijan, a ceasefire was reached at 9:00 (GMT+4), Trend reports.
However, the Armenian troops again violated the ceasefire, resorting to more provocations. Another ceasefire was restored since 09:15 (GMT+4).

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Azerbaijan's FM, US Assistant Secretary of State hold phone conversation​


Geopolitics Materials 13 September 2022 09:31

On September 13, 2022, a phone conversation took place between Jeyhun Bayramov, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Azerbaijan, and Karen Donfried, Assistant Secretary of State of the United States of America for European and Eurasian Affairs, Trend reports with reference to Azerbaijan's foreign ministry.
Ongoing clashes and tension as a result of large-scale provocation by Armenia was discussed during the phone conversation.
Minister Jeyhun Bayramov informed the counterpart about the large-scale provocations of the armed forces of Armenia in the Azerbaijan-Armenia border areas, as well as the measures taken to prevent military threats to the territory and sovereignty of our country, and to ensure the safety of our military personnel, including civilian workers involved in infrastructure works. The Minister emphasized that the fact of Armenia’s regular opening fires at our positions and civilian population over the past month, increasing militarization along the borders of Azerbaijan, and continuing planting of landmines of territories is an indication that Armenia has been preparing for a large-scale military provocation.

It was brought to the attention that the aggression of the Armenian side against Azerbaijan grossly violates the fundamental norms and principles of international law, as well as the provisions of the trilateral statements signed between the leaders of Azerbaijan, Armenia and the Russian Federation, and the agreements reached between Azerbaijan and Armenia, thereby completely contradicting the ongoing normalization and the peace process. It was informed that Azerbaijan is not interested in increasing military tension at a time when large-scale restoration and construction works were being carried out by Azerbaijan in these territories liberated from the occupation.
Karen Donfried expressed her concern about the growing tension and military clashes in the region, and called for an immediate cessation of hostilities.
 

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Thomas van Linge
@ThomasVLinge


Azerbaijani aggression on Armenia is actually in Russia's interest at the moment. The Russian military doesn't have any peacekeeping presence on the official border, an escalation in attacks offers the Kremlin the opportunity to expand its presence in the Caucasus
View: https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1569666245443698693?s=20&t=_C-K-OMiVuI85MCiL_-N-w


Plus it would take away momentum from the -led peace talks surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh. The Kremlin would prefer to see violence return to the region if that would mean a spoiling of those negotiations
Just remember how in the end the 2020 war in Nagorno-Karabakh offered many opportunities for the Kremlin in the region. Another war on the official border line could do the same.
 

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Armenia, Azerbaijan report 99 troops killed in border clash​


By AVET DEMOURIAN​


YEREVAN, Armenia (AP) — Fighting on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan killed about 100 troops Tuesday as attacks on both sides fed fears of broader hostilities breaking out between the longtime adversaries.
Armenia said at least 49 of its soldiers were killed; Azerbaijan said it lost 50.
The fighting erupted minutes after midnight with Azerbaijani forces unleashing an artillery barrage and drone attacks in many sections of Armenian territory, according to Armenia’s Defense Ministry. It said shelling grew less intense during the day but Azerbaijani troops were trying to advance into Armenian territory.

Azerbaijan’s Foreign Ministry said it was responding to a “large-scale provocation” by Armenia late Monday and early Tuesday. It said Armenian troops planted mines and fired on Azerbaijani military positions.
The two countries have been locked in a decades-old conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, which is part of Azerbaijan but has been under the control of ethnic Armenian forces backed by Armenia since a separatist war there ended in 1994.
Azerbaijan reclaimed broad swaths of Nagorno-Karabakh in a six-week war in 2020 that killed more than 6,600 people and ended with a Russia-brokered peace deal. Moscow deployed about 2,000 troops to the region to serve as peacekeepers under the deal.
The Russian Foreign Ministry on Tuesday urged both parties “to refrain from further escalation and show restraint.” Moscow has engaged in a delicate balancing act in seeking to maintain friendly ties with both ex-Soviet nations. It has strong economic and security ties with Armenia, which hosts a Russian military base, while also has been developing close cooperation with oil-rich Azerbaijan.

The international community also urged calm.
U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres urged Armenia and Azerbaijan “to take immediate steps to deescalate tensions, exercise maximum restraint and resolve any outstanding issues through dialogue” and implement previous agreements, his spokesman said.
The U.N. Security Council scheduled closed consultations Wednesday on the renewed fighting.
Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan called Russian President Vladimir Putin and later also had calls with French President Emmanuel Macron, European Council President Charles Michel and Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov spoke by phone with his Azerbaijani counterpart, Jeyhun Bayramov.
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U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke with both Pashinyan and Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev. The U.S. has a special envoy in the region, Blinken said, “and my hope is that we can move this from conflict back to the negotiating table and back to trying to build a peace.”
Speaking in parliament early Tuesday, Pashinyan accused Azerbaijan of having had an uncompromising stance at recent European Union-brokered talks in Brussels.
Armenia said the Azerbaijani shelling Tuesday damaged civilian infrastructure and wounded an unspecified number of people.

On Facebook, Aliyev expressed condolences “to the families and relatives of our servicemen who died on September 13 while preventing large-scale provocations committed by the Armenian armed forces in the direction of the Kalbajar, Lachin, Dashkasan and Zangilan regions of Azerbaijan.”
Turkey, an ally of Azerbaijan, also placed the blame for the violence on Armenia. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressed support for Aliyev and said in a statement that Turkey and Azerbaijan are “brotherly ... in all matters.”
The governor of Gegharkunik province, one of the regions that came under Azerbaijani shelling, said there was a 40-minute lull in the fighting, apparently reflecting Moscow’s attempt to negotiate a truce, before it later resumed. The governor, Karen Sarkisyan, said four Armenian troops in his region were killed and another 43 were wounded by the shelling.

The Armenian government said it would officially ask Russia for assistance under a friendship treaty between the countries, and also appeal to the United Nations and the Collective Security Treaty Organization, a Moscow-dominated security alliance of ex-Soviet nations.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov refrained from comment on Armenia’s request but added during a conference call with reporters that Putin was “taking every effort to help de-escalate tensions.”
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Vladimir Isachenkov in Moscow contributed to this report.
 

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Faytuks News Δ
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BREAKING: Armenia has applied to the CSTO under Article 4 (military assistance) to restore the country's territorial integrity and ensure the withdrawal of the Azerbaijani military from Armenia, - #Armenia's PM

BREAKING: Azerbaijan has established control over 'some territories' of Armenia -
 

danielboon

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Erdogan, Putin to discuss Armenia-Azerbaijan clashes -Turkish official​

Reuters





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Russian President Putin meets with Turkish President Erdogan in Sochi

Russian President Vladimir Putin bids farewell to Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan after a meeting in Sochi, Russia August 5, 2022. Sputnik/Vyacheslav Prokofyev/Pool via REUTERS

ANKARA, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan and Russia's President Vladimir Putin will discuss recent fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan when they meet in Samarkand this week, a senior Turkish official said on Wednesday.
New clashes erupted between Azerbaijan and Armenia on Wednesday as international peace efforts intensified, a day after nearly 100 soldiers were killed in the worst fighting between the ex-Soviet republics since a 2020 war. read more

"This issue will be discussed with Putin. Because the role played by Russia and Turkey in ending this war and the joint work that followed are obvious," the official said, requesting anonymity.
"Turkey has started contacts to overcome the problem between the two countries. This needs to end before it grows further."
The meeting between Erdogan and Putin, on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization's summit in Uzbekistan, is set to take place on Friday.

Russia is the preeminent power in the Caucasus and has peacekeeping troops in the Azeri-Armenian conflict zone. NATO member Turkey backs Azerbaijan.
"Turkey will continue to stand by Azerbaijan in every sense," the official added. Erdogan, Putin to discuss Armenia-Azerbaijan clashes -Turkish official
 

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BREAKING: Armenia has applied to the CSTO under Article 4 (military assistance) to restore the country's territorial integrity and ensure the withdrawal of the Azerbaijani military from Armenia,

The Collective Security Treaty Organization is an intergovernmental military alliance in Eurasia. Member countries:
- Armenia
- Belarus
- Kazakhstan
- Kyrgyzstan
- Russia
- Tajikistan
 

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Russian military alliance chief to arrive in Armenia Thursday - CIVILNET​


Civilnet​


By Mark Dovich
The head of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, a Russian-led military alliance of which Armenia is a founding member, will arrive in Armenia Thursday to lead a fact-finding mission in response to Azerbaijan’s ongoing attack on Armenia, Armenian Foreign Minister Ararat Mirzoyan said Wednesday afternoon.
Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin’s press secretary, said earlier in the day the mission “still needs to be formed, still needs to get there,” the Russian RIA Novosti news agency reported.
Following a special session late Tuesday evening convened at Armenia’s request, the CSTO announced it would send Stanislav Zas, the alliance’s head, to Armenia to lead a mission to “assess the current situation” and “prepare a detailed report.”
The alliance also decided “to create a working group to constantly monitor the situation in the CSTO zone of responsibility.”

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan expressed hope the CSTO’s mission to Armenia “should have concrete solutions” in an address to parliament Wednesday afternoon.
“During the CSTO session, the fact of Azerbaijan’s invasion of Armenia’s sovereign territory was clearly recorded,” he continued. “Those statements should not remain without consequences.”
Still, Pashinyan has been critical of the CSTO in the past.
The alliance declined to respond to an incursion last May by Azerbaijan into parts of Armenia proper, inaction Pashinyan has contrasted with its decisive response to mass civil unrest that shook Kazakhstan, another CSTO member, in January.
Pashinyan has also raised the issue of arms sales by other CSTO members to Azerbaijan.
Still, he has been careful to temper his criticism of the CSTO with praise, stressing at a summit in May that Armenia remains “committed to the organization’s further development.”
The CSTO’s decision to send a mission to Armenia comes in response to ongoing attacks on the country by Azerbaijan, which began striking a number of towns and villages in Armenia’s east and south shortly after midnight Tuesday (late Monday evening).

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said Wednesday afternoon 105 Armenian soldiers had been killed in action so far. He added that Azerbaijani forces had taken control of about 10 square kilometers of territory within Armenia proper.
Alen Simonyan, Armenia’s parliament speaker, said earlier in the day Armenian civilians had also been killed in the attacks, but did not provide any numbers. Scores more are believed to have been wounded.
“We have suffered significant losses of military equipment,” Simonyan added.

Meanwhile, Kristinne Grigoryan, Armenia’s Human Rights Defender, said at least 2,570 people have been displaced from their homes in towns and villages across Armenia’s Gegharkunik and Syunik regions so far.
“The vast majority of those displaced are women, children, and the elderly, including people with disabilities,” she said.
Azerbaijan continues to put its combat losses at 42 soldiers and eight border guards.
The death toll means this week has been the bloodiest in the region since the outbreak of the war in and around Karabakh nearly two years ago, while fighting within Armenia proper marks an unprecedented escalation in hostilities.
 
I'm a bit confused by this, I would have thought that she would circle the wagon in support of Azerbaijan against Armenia. I wonder if she knows that Armenia is aligned with Russia.
The rest of the question - WHY is Pelosi journeying to Armenia, rather than Secretary of State Antony Blinken or some other communist State Department stooge?

Pelosi's job description does not include traveling to Armenia - or any other foreign country - Ukraine, etc., for that matter.

She must believe that she is doing exactly what her constituents elected her to do . . . <ahem>

Blinken/State Department's PRIMARY job description would include ALL such foreign travels/interactions.

Funny, that.


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phloydius

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Pelosi's job description does not include traveling to Armenia

I would have thought that her job description would not only include it, it should preclude traveling (for political reasons) to any "enemy" [can not think of a better word] of the USA. That should be fully in the State Department's purview.
 

StarryEyedLad

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When Trump was president, Nancy said that the Speaker of the House was just as powerful and important a position. Surely she still thinks so. Also, there are a lot of Armenians in California. This trip may be a 'make it look like we really care' photo op.

Armenia is pretty firmly allied to Russia once again. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Europe told both Armenia and Georgia, "Oh, we love you and we think of you as European just like us, and we'll bring you into the fold of NATO and the EU", and then promptly did none of that. Georgia still holds on to those promises, but Armenia had little choice but to go back to the arms of Russia.
 
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Meanwhile in Armenia Meme by @johnhackerla & @edwardrussl

Pelosi working hard to open up more DNC/DS money laundering locations in Eastern Europe
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It's called "diplomacy," although could've fooled me.

No wonder we have a real-live and paid diplomatic corps - Antony Blinken, get your pros out where they are needed so poor Nancy doesn't have to ignore her Congressional duties by taking time to fly all the way to Armenia in an attempt to resolve a local dust-up with the their neighbors . . .

Got to ask - exactly what is our reason for Nancy, or the State Department, to be in Armenia at this time?

Call up Putin and his boys, and ask them to sit down with Turkey's Erdoğan to help settle yet ANOTHER tussle between Armenia and Azerbaijan - just like they have done in the last few times of trouble between these two - after all, it's in BOTH of their back yards - and, they already know the drill.

Then, Nancy could stay home.

Simple, really.


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Zagdid

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Iran’s Revolutionary Guards claim Turkey has deployed 45,000 troops to Armenian border​

By Chris King • 19 September 2022 • 19:42

According to UKR Report this evening, Monday, September 19, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have claimed that Turkey has deployed around 45,000 troops to the Armenian border. The recent ceasefire between Azerbaijan and Armenia appears to be holding for the moment but Turkey is a known ally of Baku. Iran already reportedly dispatched military forces last week to its border with Armenia.

Following Azerbaijan’s attacks on Armenia last week, Nancy Pelosi, the US Speaker of the House flew into the Armenian capital of Yerevan heading a Congressional delegation. Her objective was to try and bring calm to the region but her presence has not gone down so well with everybody.

Earlier today, Reuters reported Fuat Oktay, the Turkish vice-President describing Pelosi’s statements about the recent attacks on Armenia being an ‘illegal assault’ as unacceptable. Oktay said her visit and subsequent comments about the Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict were ‘sabotaging diplomatic efforts’.

The vice-president even took to Twitter where he asked officials in Washington to clarify if her comments represented America’s stance on the conflict.

Meanwhile, as reported by gerceknews.com, Mustafa Destici, the leader of Turkey’s ultranationalist Great Unity Party (BBP), had strong words on the situation. “I remind you once again that the Turkish nation has the power to erase Armenia from history and geography, and that they stand at the limit of our patience”, he warned today.

Destici reiterated his support for the Baku government following last week’s clashes. He called Greece and Armenia ‘made-up, barrier and puppet states’, that were acting in an ‘aggressive and unlawful’ manner.

He stressed: “Turkey will never hesitate to enter a conflict when it comes to the security of its own country, borders, nation, and brothers”. The politician assured that no matter who is backing Greece and Armenia, Turkey has the strength, the will, and the determination to crush them both.

Supporters of the two countries in Turkey were branded as ‘separatists, traitors, imperialists, and internal collaborators’ by Destici, claiming their only motive is to manipulate the politics of Turkey while supporting the country’s opposition parties.
 

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Various armenian sources claim that a state of combat readiness has been declared in the #Azerbaijan|i army. This has not been confirmed. Staying sceptical.
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1571956794838388737?s=20&t=Q63ISNRBgfh-ZXuYjaZuUQ


"according to our data, a new aggravation and aggression on the part of Azerbaijan may begin, of course with the permission of Russia, full-scale actions on all fronts that will affect the state borders from Turkey, Azerbaijan, as well as Artsakh." https://t.me/bagramyan26/40
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1571958014260940800?s=20&t=Q63ISNRBgfh-ZXuYjaZuUQ


Expert on Azerbaijan Tatevik Hayrapetyan: "It is undeniable that Azerbaijan is preparing for a full-scale war" Only time will tell
 

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Faytuks News Δ
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I am still convinced that we are going to see a new escalation and possible war between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the near future. Armenian channels have been warning civilians for days. US issue security alert and ceasefire violations are increasing.

Azerbaijani Ministry of Defence also said yesterday that "all blame for the next escalation will rest entirely with the leadership of Armenia"
 
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