POL Kristi Noem Shot Her Dog and Political Future in the Head

[Reasonable Rascal]

My knee jerk reaction to this was that she could have handled it better, by adopting the animals out.

But then, I'm just an emotion driven city dweller, and you all have given me an education that I'd rather not have.

That said, I devoutly hope Trump doesn't pick her as VP, because I'd have a hard time voting for her. And I can just about guarantee that other dog-loving urban Republicans (yes, we exist) would feel similarly. If she has trashed her political career because of this, well, not feeling sorry for her, not one bit.

When that is criteria for voting from someone then it explains why we have Libtards in office. When you (general you, not personal) decide to not support a candidate merely because they did what farmers to then you have already passed over topics of much greater national and ethical issue to decide your vote on minutia.

RR

 

[packyderms_wife]

My knee jerk reaction to this was that she could have handled it better, by adopting the animals out.

But then, I'm just an emotion driven city dweller, and you all have given me an education that I'd rather not have.

That said, I devoutly hope Trump doesn't pick her as VP, because I'd have a hard time voting for her. And I can just about guarantee that other dog-loving urban Republicans (yes, we exist) would feel similarly. If she has trashed her political career because of this, well, not feeling sorry for her, not one bit.

For voters like yourself who care more about the dog than livestock, yeah it'll cost her votes. For people like me, who have grown up out in the country where bad dogs get put down instead of being allowed to create more destruction of livestock... she'd have my vote! Same thing with bad cats, roosters with a toxic attitude, etc.

 

[Hognutz]

Shoot, shovel & shut up still applies! She violated that rule!

Shows, she’s stupid……

 

[33dInd]

I don’t see a problem necessarily
But she was kinda dense to tell the story

 

[Hognutz]

I’ve had to put down my dogs, I had to do it to the one in my avatar, he had cancer at 10 yrs, and I used a .22 , so I ain’t no wussy.


But her dog was only 14 months old, it was not trained right and it falls back on her….

 

[FreedomoftheHills]

Every one of my working dogs (Alaskan and Siberian huskies) would kill chickens, given half a chance. Squirrels, too. They can't tell the difference. A small prey animal is a small prey animal.

It is the handler's reaponsibiliy to not give dogs access to small animals that they don't want killed. If the woman wasn't up to this task, she should have found a different home for the dog, and probably shouldn't keep dogs in the future.

Her judgement in this case (both handling the situation the way she did, and running her mouth about it) speaks to a profound lack of judgement. If she can't be trusted with small things, she sure can't be trusted with national office!

 

[Hognutz]

Anyway, her career is toast…..

 

[Walrus]

Nah. I love my dogs (two Rhodesian Ridgebacks) but rural life is real. I have shot several dogs over the years.
I still like her politically.
Much ado about nothing, I think.

For us out here in the hinterboonies it certainly is, and you're absolutely correct. I love our Great Pyrenees and they're awesome babysitters when people visit (but the kids love more to play with the 6-week-old puppies which we have a litter of now). But if those dogs ever threatened one of the little ones or killed any chickens, they'd be gone as fast as I could react.

To teary suburbanites who have lots of money to lavish on critters, and who seem to equate pets with children - very big deal, though. It's just a different world with different mindsets, populated by people who believe their answers are correct for all the rest of us (and isn't that a huge reason for the cultural divides!). No thank you, we'll decide what's best for us and you do whatever you want - just don't tell me what to do. Or any of our neighbors, too, now that I think about it.

And for urbanites, same thing other than they're likely to be more cruel to each other than to domestic pets. And of course that's where somewhere around 90% of the electorate lives, so it's not a stretch to say that she has shot her national political career in both feet. I agree that she's got a good political record but - as Doughboy42 mentioned earlier in this thread - this was a story which didn't need to be told. SSS. I don't even know if the goat story should've been told other than to say that it made some good bbq cabrito.

 

[raven]

I dare say,
if you live in the city and little fluffy chases the neighbors cat into their garage and
kills it in front of Mrs Neighbor . . .

your dogs gonna die . . .

And it’s your fault. And you aren’t gonna publish the story

The only difference is you will take it to the vet or the pound . . .
or you will pawn the problem off on someone else.

 

[dioptase]

For voters like yourself who care more about the dog than livestock, yeah it'll cost her votes. For people like me, who have grown up out in the country where bad dogs get put down instead of being allowed to create more destruction of livestock... she'd have my vote! Same thing with bad cats, roosters with a toxic attitude, etc.

Well, urban vs rural, but my point here is that if "we" (the Republicans) are going to have a chance in hell of winning this election (overwhelming the cheating and fraud), it is going to take both the rural and the urban voters to do the job, and this is NOT going to go over well with the urban voters. For anyone still undecided on Dem vs Repub (hard tho that is to imagine), this could be the deal breaker that swings that group over to the Dems.

And while I plan on voting for Trump, I do NOT want to vote for her. I do not want someone like her representing me, or our country, sorry. (Someone up-thread made a good point about that.) Gimme Ben Carson! Or someone else I could admire and respect.

 

[CapeCMom]

Kristi killed her future higher ambitions by having her very public affair with Corey Lewindowski. This dog thing just sealed it.

 

[dozer]

I understand dogs chasing livestock. Sometimes they are not wired right

 

[BadMedicine]

Circling back around to agree it was pretty "tone deaf" to write that in a book... she thinks it shows steadfastness, leadership, and tough decision making.... but for a lot of people.. this ain't it.

I reckon REAL God fearing, constitutional loving Americans is under 14%... gotta win 51% to get the job...

One of the reason the REAL Donald Trump does a lot of jerry-springer/WWE politics.. gotta get the LETHALLY IGNORANT fence sitters to turn off "ouch, my balls" long enough to vote... it's an uphill battle.

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

neighbor had a dog. Told the owner "that dog is a nutter. He's not right in the head."
He said, "nah nah he's ok just a little nervous".

Two weeks later he walked into his bedroom and the dog almost killed him. Tore him up real good. Apparently thought the room was his territory.

Animal authorities (whatever they are) took dog and put it down.

 

[raven]

It does not matter.

”They” are going to given you every reason imaginable to vote against Trump.

If you are going to allow this to put you off, do everyone a favor.
Just vote for Biden now.

 

[OhioBull]

Political hit job. Bad dogs need to be put down. Someone doesn’t like her and making a mountain out of a mole hill. She’s doing something right.

 

[Gold Dust]

There are people are more upset over this than 60 million abortions.

Or we can be upset about both.

 

[Echo 5]

Or we can be upset about both.

Our country is being destroyed. This "news" is irrelevant.

 

[Walrus]

Political hit job. Bad dogs need to be put down. Someone doesn’t like her and making a mountain out of a mole hill. She’s doing something right.

That'd be a good point if she wouldn't have stuck it in her obligatory "must have a ghost writer write a book for me" book before running for national office. Which is a silly policy, I think. I've never read one of them because I've never had an inclination to get to know a politician better. I might start empathizing with one of them if their ghost writer was good enough. I bet she doesn't do another one.

Other than Biden. He's a disgusting person in whatever view he's presented, and Harris is as empty as a suit can become.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Kristi killed her future higher ambitions by having her very public affair with Corey Lewindowski. This dog thing just sealed it.

Really? Who gives a shit? I know I don’t. The whole idea that if they aren’t holier than Jesus falls flat with me, I want someone who can do the job!!!

 

[WalknTrot]

I doubt she was a serious contender for Veep anyway.

Trump doesn't need to win over S. Dak. - it's already in his column. Other than that, she's just another white woman....but one that the female liberal suburban chardonnay guzzler demographic would never relate to. That was always a given.

OTOH, after serving as Governor, if she wanted to run for U.S. Senate, S. Dakota voters won't give two figs if she shot a dog 20 years ago.

 

[coalcracker]

 

[9idrr]

Dog trainers have been commenting. They know the breed and this dog's age. This was mishandled according to their experience.

I could sit here and say I'm a vet or dog trainer and who would know otherwise? Doesn't mean my opinion is worth more than anybody else's.
Sometimes, breed and training won't guarantee a dog won't be or become a problem. Some pit bull owners insist their dogs would never go after anything they shouldn't but I'm pretty sure we've all seen stories where a beloved family pet suddenly tried to eat the new baby in the house or killed all the neighbor's cats. That, of course, doesn't mean all pits can't be trusted but that particular dog shouldn't get another chance.
My guess is that most shelters are reluctant to take a known violent animal. And if you fail to let them know when you drop off that dog 'cause you're afraid the critter won't be adopted, my thinking is that you are responsible for any problems or injuries the new owner encounters. Could you live with yourself just 'cause you wouldn't do the right thing in the first place?
Yes, I've put down more than one of my own animals when it was necessary because of age, injuries or going after livestock. Neighbors who've let their dogs loose to harass my rabbits have waited in vain to see those dogs return home.
Kristi ain't done nothin' to lose my vote but YMMV.

 

[The Hammer]

That'd be a good point if she wouldn't have stuck it in her obligatory "must have a ghost writer write a book for me" book before running for national office. Which is a silly policy, I think. I've never read one of them because I've never had an inclination to get to know a politician better. I might start empathizing with one of them if their ghost writer was good enough. I bet she doesn't do another one.

Other than Biden. He's a disgusting person in whatever view he's presented, and Harris is as empty as a suit can become.

Yeah, most of those kinds of books find themselves at the back of the resale shop under "clearance" faster than they ever become bestsellers. They're often cheesy with nothing profound in them - kind of like what you expect from a politician.

As for Noem, I somewhat question her judgment in including the story the way she did. The story itself doesn't make me like her more or less than before, but she had to know it would be too easy of a target.

And to the libs who know absolutely no shame in killing babies or abusing children - human ones, that is - please spare me the fake mercy and outrage. The hypocrisy is beyond sickening. And that would be the one comeback I would use if I were Noem and ever questioned about it.

 

[Plain Jane]

I think that there has been a huge cultural shift in this matter. I remember my parents having to put down a German Shepard because he had become so unsafe around my siblings and myself .

That was in the 60s. And around that time Old Yeller was shown on the Sunday evening Disney Show. Remember the last scene? The young boy is told to shoot the dog because of rabies. Tough to watch but we all understood why it needed to be done.

 

[Walrus]

As for Noem, I somewhat question her judgment in including the story the way she did. The story itself doesn't make me like her more or less than before, but she had to know it would be too easy of a target.

You're right; it just is whut it is. But as we've seen here, it's off-putting to certain folks but obviously I'm not one of them. But that simple fact can't be minimized in an election such as the one we have looming up at us.

It's too bad, really; she seemed like a possible real good choice but I think that's all disappeared now. And I'm one of the ones who believes that being a governor totally outranks someone being a senator or a congressman, in terms of preparing for a higher post and actually being responsible for managing a big bureaucracy while having to win elections.

When we could use some of the fabled American electorate short-term memory issues, we get elephant.

The killing babies comeback would be a good one. I hadn't thought of that but it would only be effective on Republicans who were wavering.

 

[33dInd]

Lest we forget the national uproar over mitt Romney putting his dog in a crate on the roof of the family station wagon

She didn’t do anything wrong except tell people about it

 

[OldArcher]

Better to find out she’s stupid now, than in the Oval Office…

OA

 

[cleobc]

We have a farm. I have had to euthanize livestock myself, when my husband wasn't home. We are an hour and a half, minimum, from a large animal vet and more than that from their visit here. I won't let something suffer needlessly.

I have done what needed to be done, but I don't talk about it. I don't post it on Facebook nor look for understanding on social media. Urban people do not understand. I haven't had to euthanize a dog, nor would I except in really dire circumstances. They deserve a peaceful sleep.

I wouldn't put a dog down for chasing chickens--it's a natural instinct. You keep your chickens cooped, you train your dog, or you find him a nice chickenless home. It shouldn't be a death penalty. Poor judgment on Noem's part and extreme poor judgment in putting it in a book. She didn't make herself look admirable, which is what she seems to have been going for. It's hard to do that without looking like some sort of jerk.

Noem has irretrievably shot herself in the foot by making some poor decisions with this, and Trump cannot afford someone with so little common sense in his administration.

 

[pauldingbabe]

gotta get the LETHALLY IGNORANT fence sitters to turn off "ouch, my balls" long enough to vote... it's an uphill battle.

Right?!?

I mean damn!

The stupid I observe on a regular basis is f'ing staggering.

I often think "well..." surprised but not disappointed.

Thanks for the laugh. I truly needed it.

 

[KFhunter]

Thanks for sharing this with us, I like her even more now.

Not because she shot the dog, but because she shot the dog herself.

Sometimes people just need shot, the same goes for dogs too and every other creature on this earth.


Do I think she made the right decision as a bird dog guy? I wasn’t there, but a chicken killing bird dog is a ruined dog for the most part, and the aggression towards the handler is a no go too, together it sounds like it was a bad dog.

 

[CapeCMom]

Really? Who gives a shit? I know I don’t. The whole idea that if they aren’t holier than Jesus falls flat with me, I want someone who can do the job!!!

Because she puts herself out there as a wholesome married Christian woman that’s why. Yet on the flip she flaunts her affair in public being very visible with Corey. Keep your business quiet and private.

 

[WalknTrot]

Do I think she made the right decision as a bird dog guy? I wasn’t there, but a chicken killing bird dog is a ruined dog for the most part, and the aggression towards the handler is a no go too, together it sounds like it was a bad dog.

Yep - I was going to post the same thing yesterday afternoon, but got distracted. If this 'pointer" even at 14 months rammed around in the field like a nut and didn't appear to have any of the inbred characteristics of the breed (they should prove they are a natural pointer the first time they encounter a bird!) plus was a crazy chicken-killer, she was never going to make a bird dog. That of course doesn't disqualify the dog from life, as she could have made a family pet in a different environment IF she hadn't then frosted the cake by turning around to bite her owner. That's a warning sign not to be ignored.

The folly of the whole kerfuffle is that she told the story in a book. No idea what she was thinking. A lot of us have done stuff we had to do, not ashamed of it because it was undoubtedly the right thing, but we don't advertise it.

 

[33dInd]

Better to find out she’s stupid now, than in the Oval Office…

OA

Oh
I don’t think she is stupid at all
She did a commonly accepted practice in flyover America
Little story
Couple of weeks ago my granddaughter, age 8, was attacked by one my roosters
This bird had never shown any aggression towards me. Wife. Dogs or other Roos
But
He went at her twice in three days
Second time she was really upset.
I told her I was getting the pistol and taking care of it. Now she is a kind hearted little thing and she begged me no
I waited until she went home and I then shot that roo
Few days later she saw that roo was missing and asked if the coyotes got it
I told her no. I thought an old wolf got it

She smiled and gave to thumbs up
And that was that

That’s what norm should have done
The dawg got out and never came back
But
Mostly people like us on this forum intuitively know an animal aggressive towards people and live stock doesn’t need to be around a farm steed

The dog in question was 14 months old.
She probably had work to train that dog. She stated it was a bird dawg. Sooo
Some dogs just will not be trained or toned down

I had one dawg. A mutt. Kibbles. U couldn’t train that dawg to fetch a biscuit. But she was as sweet and gentle a dog as I ever had. I think the only thing she ever bit was a flea

Most of you all are dawg owners so you realize each is different. In its own way
We also have had or been around dawgs that we knew weren’t right or trusted to turn your back in

And
I’m rambling now

 

[33dInd]

Thanks for sharing this with us, I like her even more now.

Not because she shot the dog, but because she shot the dog herself.

Sometimes people just need shot, the same goes for dogs too and every other creature on this earth.


Do I think she made the right decision as a bird dog guy? I wasn’t there, but a chicken killing bird dog is a ruined dog for the most part, and the aggression towards the handler is a no go too, together it sounds like it was a bad dog.

Excellent points all
Especially some people need shot to

Only had one bird dawg. White lab
I never hunt trained him. But I took him camping with me. And he would naturally go to point. That amazed me.

 

[WalknTrot]

Excellent points all
Especially some people need shot to

Only had one bird dawg. White lab
I never hunt trained him. But I took him camping with me. And he would naturally go to point. That amazed me.

Haha. This young Black Lab I have now - she's been pointing tweety-birds and chickens since she was 9 weeks old. There's a big rift in the breed circles right now about the Lab lines that are carrying pointing blood. Whether it's something that should be kept or disqualified and bred out. Now, seems to me that it would make the perfect bird dog. A well tempered, easy going Lab that:

1 - Finds birds
2 - Points birds
3 - Flushes on command
4 - Then retrieves the bird for ya.

Who could ask for more, and that's the crux of the argument I guess.

My pup ended up in the right home, because I'm past hunting/killing critters unless I get hungry (or peeved) and given her congenital duel luxating patella problems, living on the ragged edge of blown CCL's every day, she needs to lead a quiet life. But nice thing about her natural tendencies - she's also (since 9 weeks old) been the best chicken catcher I'll ever want to have on the place. Even the day she slipped into the henhouse behind my back, she created quite an explosion of hen-feathers, but she corners a bird, somehow mesmerizes it so it freezes, then holds it there undamaged until I come and get it. Real handy around the barnyard with escaped chickens! And makes for a hilarious show.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Because she puts herself out there as a wholesome married Christian woman that’s why. Yet on the flip she flaunts her affair in public being very visible with Corey. Keep your business quiet and private.

Interesting haven’t heard about the affair, and in Iowa.

 

[anna43]

When I was a kid, my uncle hit the farm dog when mowing hay. He then got the 22 and shot it crying the whole time. My dad, grandpa and others offered to do it for him, but he insisted it was his responsibility. That is the way I was raised. Your own the animal you accept the responsibility for it. You do not haul it somewhere and pay someone else to take care of it. It's a different when it's a pet that is ill, you don't live rural and can take it to a vet to be euthanized.

Rooster attacking a child and it would have had its neck rung and been in the stew pot without a second chance. Would not waste a bullet on a rooster.

I've been called mean and cruel for my attitude, but that's the way I was raised. Personal responsibility and animals are not human. Animals should always be raised and treated correctly, but always remember it's an animal. When my sister wanted to name a 4-H calf Sweety my dad insisted that it be named Hamburger. That's life on the farm.

 

[Codeno]

Except for the left in general, and/or those who think like the left (I'm always amazed as they come out of the woodwork),
this story is a nothingburger. Responsible people with children or livestock have put down bad dogs since forever, and both sides know it.

As far as Noem's career goes, once again, nothingburger. We are way beyond the supposed pristine candidate era, and if Trump can survive what he has already survived and poll like he does, anything goes.

I've taken a look at the comments at websites other than those run and populated by the rabid left, and the comments are overwhelmingly in Kristi's favor. I'm not overly concerned about her affair either, where her chances are concerned, we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto. I trucked in and out of South Dakota for years, and regardless of what the media may say, she is quite popular there, results matter.

During Covid, my daughters and I drove from Minnesota to South Dakota to have a meal in a restaurant one night, because Kristi Noem refused to lock South Dakota down. Her people in Pierre organized an impromptu parade as a thank you, which drew people in hundreds of personal vehicles shouting, honking horns and running sirens. She garners a whole lot more political capital for actions that smack of good governance than she loses because of the left's desperate attempt to make hay out of something like this much ado about nothing dog story.

 

[Delta]

Wow. Talk about reviving dormant feelings. My dog was my best friend. Ever. I was cowboying, miles from civilization. But the dog was flattened from the belly back by the wheel of a truck, so the distance to a vet really made no difference. Fortunately, a stranger understood my tears and did the shooting. I still remember the look in my dog's eyes. I did for my dog what I hope someone would do to me if the tables were turned. I know its a different story than Kristi's story. But going through it doesn't make it any easier to live with. It was the worse day of my life. Any day I relive it becomes almost as bad. Maybe writing about it helped Kristi. Nothing has helped me.