WOKE Kindle forced censored 'updates' of previously purchased books on readers

Magdalen

Veteran Member
Thanks to Ragnorok for posting an article in his Horsemen thread about the censor responsible for some of this travesty. If that didn't outrage me enough, my husband, an avid Kindle reader, told me about the following this morning. Luckily, my husband downloads everything he buys through his Kindle and turns it into a PDF. If you can't hold it, you don't own it. Never trust 'the cloud'.

From Kindle forced censored ‘updates’ of previously purchased books on readers
  • AMERICAN NEWS
  • Mar 1, 2023

Kindle forced censored 'updates' of previously purchased books on readers​

"Joseph Conrad was gone. I was not given a choice as to whether I wanted the updated version," one Kindle user wrote of censorship in Dahl's Matilda.

Readers who own digital copies of Roald Dahl books on their Kindle devices are expressing their dismay at their collections being automatically updated with the new censored versions that were revised to be more politically correct.

Despite the fact that she purchased the original version of Dahl's 1988 classic Matilda, one reader by the name of Clarissa Aykroyd shared that her Kindle had updated to the newly-released censored version, which switched phrases like "mothers and fathers" to the gender-neutral "parents."

"I downloaded my ebook of Matilda, which I bought a few years ago, to see if Joseph Conrad was still there. He was. I closed it, deleted it & downloaded/opened it again (mistake). Joseph Conrad was gone. I was not given a choice as to whether I wanted the updated version," Aykroyd wrote on Twitter.

In Matilda, Dahl wrote of the protagonist's — a young girl with a proclivity for reading — admiration for the novelist Joseph Conrad, who was known for his 1899 novella Heart of Darkness, which was once highly regarded as a critique of European colonial rule in Africa. In more recent decades, academics have debated over whether the book's depiction of African people was racially ignorant.

"She went on olden day sailing ships with Joseph Conrad. She went to Africa with Ernest Hemingway and to India with Rudyard Kipling," wrote Dahl in his original version.

In the current version of the book, any mention of both Conrad and fellow novelist Kipling were scrubbed.

"I barely cared about the Roald Dahl changes before, but hearing that they are forcing updates to customers who had previously purchased uncensored ebooks makes me want to throw my Kindle in the trash," wrote another Twitter user.

Puffin Books, the publisher of Dahl's novels, updated his stories to no longer describe rotund characters like Augustus Gloop as "fat," or unattractive antagonists like Mrs. Twit as "fearfully ugly," on e-reading devices such as the Amazon Kindle. New editions of the books with the censored stories will be printed and sold as well. According to The Telegraph, hundreds of words describing characters' appearances, races and genders, had been revised or omitted in at least ten of Dahl's 19 children's books.

After the backlash surrounding the new editions, Puffin Books announced they would be releasing uncensored "classic texts" of Dahl's work, though Kindle users weren't given the choice to pick.

Dahl's biographer, Matthew Dennison, accused the publishing company of "strong-arming readers into accepting a new orthodoxy in which Dahl himself has played no part."

"I'm almost certain that he would have recognised that alterations to his novels prompted by the political climate were driven by adults rather than children," he told the outlet on February 24.

"I never get any protests from children," Dahl once said. "All you get are giggles of mirth and squirms of delight. I know what children like."
 

Fly Girl

Veteran Member
OMG! I just noticed this! I never buy audio on my Kindle, but last week I bought a book that I really wanted to understand and retain. The books name is limitless. When I bought the Kindle and the audio it highlights the text as you’re reading and as they’re talking. I have noticed that they have inserted Bill Gates’s name as a reference point in the audio portion but it’s not in the written word portion, and couple other names too, that put Woke people in place. It disgusted me.
 

Magdalen

Veteran Member
There has been enough outrage that my husband says the publishers are talking about publishing "classic" editions with the original text. HOGWASH! That means if you don't know any better and you buy something without that designation, you may end up with woke tripe. It is a subtle means of corrupting the minds of the unwary.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
And the Records Department, after all, was itself only a single branch of the Ministry of Truth, whose primary job was not to reconstruct the past but to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels -- with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary. And the Ministry had not only to supply the multifarious needs of the party, but also to repeat the whole operation at a lower level for the benefit of the proletariat. There was a whole chain of separate departments dealing with proletarian literature, music, drama, and entertainment generally. Here were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimental songs which were composed entirely by mechanical means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a versificator. There was even a whole sub-section -- Pornosec, it was called in Newspeak -- engaged in producing the lowest kind of pornography, which was sent out in sealed packets and which no Party member, other than those who worked on it, was permitted to look at.

Little House on the Prairie will soon be but a memory.

All from the phrase "they were savages." (visitation of the Native-Americans.) A 19th century book written with the perspective of the 19th century. "Laura" as the 1st person narrator, waxed eloquent and with affection on the "native papoose" - but such motherly instinct is not to be allowed - it is a force of nature to be resisted in "woke-dom."

Dobbin
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Little House on the Prairie will soon be but a memory.

All from the phrase "they were savages." (visitation of the Native-Americans.) A 19th century book written with the perspective of the 19th century. "Laura" as the 1st person narrator, waxed eloquent and with affection on the "native papoose" - but such motherly instinct is not to be allowed - it is a force of nature to be resisted in "woke-dom."

Dobbin

In the famous "Scotty" voice: Aye lad, but tiz the internet, which never forgets and there'r lots of nooks and crannies for things to get lost and found again in.

Rumble and others may have what you are looking for. And with the efforts of the "Page Info...Media" window and tab in Firefox, you can go "collect" a LOT of audio and video even if the site has no way of downloading.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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When you find something on the 'tube you want, download it immediately because you never know if it will be there when you check your bookmark again.

Someone need to sue them.
You can't change the "terms" after something is sold.
Whole crap load of laws are being broken.

As for the above, Amazon/Kindle left themselves enough loopholes to sail an entire carrier fleet through on those so-called "terms."
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Someone need to sue them.
You can't change the "terms" after something is sold.
Whole crap load of laws are being broken.
You shouldn't be able to but I'm betting Amazon slipped a clause into their user/buyer agreement some time ago to cover such events.

Not that we needed but this is just more affirmation the SJW-WOKESTERS are committed to rewriting everything to suit their goals/agenda.
 
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LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Someone need to sue them.
You can't change the "terms" after something is sold.
Whole crap load of laws are being broken.

But the questions you have to ask yourself are: Are laws being broken? What did I sign away when creating the online account (Amazon, Kindle or otherwise)? DO I actually "own" what I have downloaded, or am I actually dealing with a negotiated lease of playback access that is ALL based on what they change the agreement to at any moment or another?

As far as where EVERYTHING is headed, THEY want you to own nothing, which means that not only will you not own a laptop or other computer, anything that you will be doing on any that you use or rent, will be cloud based for EVERYTHING. This means that they OWN the devices, the connections, the content (including all of what you put into the system), and the realm of what you are allowed to get to and use. Think back to the old mainframe and dumb terminal days, where when you power on your terminal, it is absolutely useless till you connect to the mainframe and log in. Their plan, and Microsoft is helping this happen, is to have whatever you are using as a PC now, move your data and everything else to a cloud account. Windows 10 WILL change into Windows 11, which will in turn change into Microsoft 365 (just like Office 2019 and 2022 are morphing into Office 365, which will meld into the Microsoft 365 realm. In the end, they are going to force you to spend $$ a month (or $$$ a year) just to boot your own PC to make it work again (and you still will have to keep your social credit score clean). And saving ANYTHING locally will become either a thing of the past and NOT available as an option, OR become absolutely painful to do. They want full access to your digital life and gated permissions for you to have access to it. Don't pay your bills, or go against TPTB, or have a bad social credit score, your PC or laptop may not let you do anything. Just a hint here: Get your LINUX Distros and Repositories NOW, starting a few versions back, like YESTERDAY! And make image backups of what you have now, not just data backups, IMAGE BACKUPS!

Yes, things like the kindle device are "convenient", but remember that convenience comes with a price (or several prices). You can, with a LOT of work, get the same books and info downloaded to your laptop, and with the use of image backups, have it FOREVER, or convert it to formats that they won't be messing with. Those convenience devices like the kindle should be looked at as what they are, mouse traps for the "appliance" users that want a clean, simple to use device that makes certain tasks easy. The 30 something and younger generation is often favoring the "appliance" devices over anything that they may have to "work" to use (in fact there are a few threads going, just on that topic). What they are not factoring in is what else may be going on behind the scenes on those devices to control what is on them, or what is being done with them. And the saddest part is that most are OK with that, which will be part of their downfall.

My favorite conversation was with one of the local 30 and under crowd that noticed my radio on the MOLLE straps on my bag, and asked why I would carry that around when a cellphone does everything. I asked them how often their cellphone let them down and would not work correctly or call in/out out. They said not often, but that they didn't need it all the time to "communicate" that way as they had social media. I asked them what was needed to keep that "connection" going, to which they said "Nothing, just me paying my bill at the end of the month". I then asked if the cell service or the social media sites ever went down, they said yes, but that they just switched to someone's WiFi or used a different social media system till their normal one came back up...

I asked them if they had ever heard about the cell sites going fully down like during 9/11... They said that was back then and with 4G and 5G, that will never happen again, then he wanted to change topics...

Yes, the doom is baked in to a lot of that bunch...
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You shouldn't be able to but I'm betting Amazon slipped a clause into their user/buyer agreement some time ago to cover such events.

Not that we needed but this is jusr more affirmation the SJW-WOKESTERS are committed to rewriting everything to suit their goals/agenda.
Not sure not a kindle user.
But technically speaking updating their "user agreement" can't change a transaction that took place before they "woke" the T/C.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I asked them if they had ever heard about the cell sites going fully down like during 9/11... They said that was back then and with 4G and 5G, that will never happen again, then he wanted to change topics...

Yes, the doom is baked in to a lot of that bunch...

The problem is, it is no longer relegated to a particular population or age group. Even for people that think in terms of back ups for their back ups if you analyze their plans it is more like a circle jerk (pardon my french) than it is a real plan to address real faults in a system.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I have a used book store I exclusively patronize these days. Old guy who's been there for decades. Books like $2 for paperback and up to $4 for hard copy. Plus in the summer he puts out scads of free books in front of the store. And if you like, he'll take back your read books for store credit. He'll order stuff for you. The place is jammed with books and all dry and dusty. Sometimes I sneeze. But I don't have any adulterated books in my collection. Go to used book stores.
 
But the questions you have to ask yourself are: Are laws being broken? What did I sign away when creating the online account (Amazon, Kindle or otherwise)? DO I actually "own" what I have downloaded, or am I actually dealing with a negotiated lease of playback access that is ALL based on what they change the agreement to at any moment or another?

As far as where EVERYTHING is headed, THEY want you to own nothing, which means that not only will you not own a laptop or other computer, anything that you will be doing on any that you use or rent, will be cloud based for EVERYTHING. This means that they OWN the devices, the connections, the content (including all of what you put into the system), and the realm of what you are allowed to get to and use. Think back to the old mainframe and dumb terminal days, where when you power on your terminal, it is absolutely useless till you connect to the mainframe and log in. Their plan, and Microsoft is helping this happen, is to have whatever you are using as a PC now, move your data and everything else to a cloud account. Windows 10 WILL change into Windows 11, which will in turn change into Microsoft 365 (just like Office 2019 and 2022 are morphing into Office 365, which will meld into the Microsoft 365 realm. In the end, they are going to force you to spend $$ a month (or $$$ a year) just to boot your own PC to make it work again (and you still will have to keep your social credit score clean). And saving ANYTHING locally will become either a thing of the past and NOT available as an option, OR become absolutely painful to do. They want full access to your digital life and gated permissions for you to have access to it. Don't pay your bills, or go against TPTB, or have a bad social credit score, your PC or laptop may not let you do anything. Just a hint here: Get your LINUX Distros and Repositories NOW, starting a few versions back, like YESTERDAY! And make image backups of what you have now, not just data backups, IMAGE BACKUPS!

Yes, things like the kindle device are "convenient", but remember that convenience comes with a price (or several prices). You can, with a LOT of work, get the same books and info downloaded to your laptop, and with the use of image backups, have it FOREVER, or convert it to formats that they won't be messing with. Those convenience devices like the kindle should be looked at as what they are, mouse traps for the "appliance" users that want a clean, simple to use device that makes certain tasks easy. The 30 something and younger generation is often favoring the "appliance" devices over anything that they may have to "work" to use (in fact there are a few threads going, just on that topic). What they are not factoring in is what else may be going on behind the scenes on those devices to control what is on them, or what is being done with them. And the saddest part is that most are OK with that, which will be part of their downfall.

My favorite conversation was with one of the local 30 and under crowd that noticed my radio on the MOLLE straps on my bag, and asked why I would carry that around when a cellphone does everything. I asked them how often their cellphone let them down and would not work correctly or call in/out out. They said not often, but that they didn't need it all the time to "communicate" that way as they had social media. I asked them what was needed to keep that "connection" going, to which they said "Nothing, just me paying my bill at the end of the month". I then asked if the cell service or the social media sites ever went down, they said yes, but that they just switched to someone's WiFi or used a different social media system till their normal one came back up...

I asked them if they had ever heard about the cell sites going fully down like during 9/11... They said that was back then and with 4G and 5G, that will never happen again, then he wanted to change topics...

Yes, the doom is baked in to a lot of that bunch...
Your comments are apropos - the final question I would have posed to those digital geniuses - what is a single point of failure, and how might that impact 4G/5G service, and the sudden inability of their digital devices to function as expected?

You also bring up the shop-worn point about the differences between a mainframe computer, where control is centralized and all users are beholden to that centralized control, versus decentralized computing control via personal computers - the user is also the owner of the entire personal computer, how they choose use it, what they choose to use it for, what they wish to store/scan/print, etc.

Steve Jobs publicly stated during his early Apple years (later 1970s) as having a life-long passion to bring an "affordable" personal computing to the masses (affordable meant MUCH cheaper than owning a $1 million dollar mainframe housed in your basement, complete with 10 white-coated mainframe operators).

In 1981, IBM groked this truth, and jumped onto the personal computer bandwagon in a very large way.

In 1983, Apple created the first mass produced, mouse-driven GUI interface (graphical user interface) - the 'Lisa," followed later by the "Macintosh" in January 1984.

At the introduction of the iPhone in 2007, Jobs noted that while the iPhone was the first ever touch-screen smartphone device, it should be more correctly viewed as a touch-screen pocketable computer with a cell phone attached.

The rest is history.

When contemplating digital devices, ask yourself an "architectural "question - who controls the upstream? The OP clearly points out that Amazon/Kindle are controlling their upstream content. Cellphones/smart devices are beholden to the upstream cell carriers (as you point out), while personal computers are obligated by the upstream land-line internet providers (Ethernet and/or WiFi connectivity).

More obscured are those that control the vital DNS (domain name system) - without which we would all have to memorize the IP addresses of the websites that we wish to visit, rather than typing in the name of the website, in order to visit. Architecturally speaking, it is a very simple exercise for the "controllers," should they wish, to **suddenly** rendering one/many websites of their choosing as "not available," when in reality TPTB behind the DNS system have "turned off" the ability of the DNS system to convert the English name of the website into its proper/real IP address.

If one were to view the entire internet from an architectural perspective, one would realize that its entire structure is (intentionally) pyramidal in design - with the users at the bottom, and the "controllers/gatekeepers" at the middle and top.

Then, there is the alternative "mesh" digital device connection architecture . . .


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It can if they left them a loophole in the original terms. That's part of the problem with that itty bitty print. No one usually bothers to read it.
Nor does the average end-user understand legal phrasing/speak - as Bill Clinton famously noted, to wit:

“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the—if he—if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement. … Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true.”


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thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
If you can't hold it, you don't own it. Never trust 'the cloud'.

Absolutely!

When the Kindle was first introduced I thought it was a great idea. We have TONS of books. I thought about getting one.

But it wasn't too long after they hit the market when news came out that certain books were removed from Kindle for being controversial (can't remember which ones, but doesn't matter, those books were purchased), no way was I going to buy one.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Also consider how you store what you claim is yours. I am an avid OneDrive user that allows me access to files across several devices at once for both personal and business. But at the end of every. single. day. I make sure and back up my docs to a different medium ... usually a external hard drive that gets disconnected and placed in a secure, locked, fireproof safe after the day's final save. If I'm in a rush or it is only a small file I have a keyring of thumb drives I'll drop it on then throw that keyring in a particular bag in my nightstand overnight. Also contained in that bag (faraday float bag) are things that I would grab if I had to exit the house in an emergency.

I despise QuickBooks online for multiple reasons but access and other people's access to it is one of them.

But as "safe" as it might be to store everyone in hard copy ... business records, books, filing, photos, etc ... I just can't do it. Business records and receipts deteriorate way too quickly. Filing cabinets can be destroyed by flood and fire. Photos deteriorate and when you have as many as we do for various reasons you need to have some way to index and search them or they are all but useless. Books are heavy and take up a lot of space and get lost in the shuffle when you have a library full.

I like some of my digital life. You just need to follow the process through to the bitter end. First off is what form and where to store and for how long. Second is how to keep the mountain of digital stuff useable and searchable and how to get at it if the 'net goes down and all of that other yada yada. Lastly, what happens to all of it when you kick the bucket. I don't print out anything I don't want anyone else to see. Anything I don't want anyone else to ever see for any reason is encrypted and offline. And it may sound funny, but I'm looking for a way that I can set a deadtimer on a few files so that they automatically self-destruct after a certain date.

I consider it a matter of being personally responsible for my "stuff" not depending on anyone else to take care of it.
 

CGTech

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I also use Calibre as a database to back and collect all my digital ebooks. Currently around 34,000. Amazon can't get at it. Also have physical books everywhere. Wife keeps wanting me to pare down the collection... uh, NO!
 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
You shouldn't be able to but I'm betting Amazon slipped a clause into their user/buyer agreement some time ago to cover such events.

Not that we needed but this is just more affirmation the SJW-WOKESTERS are committed to rewriting everything to suit their goals/agenda.

This is how history is changed.

Guess we should start planning galas for all the new kings and queens, yes?

I do wish I could get all jumped up about things but I don't have a thing to wear.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Hey, on the brighter side, I’m looking forward to Amazon Prime updating my purchased copy of Blazing Saddles to Woke Blazing Saddles... :lkick:
We need to see if the tracks ahead are in quicksand. We should send a couple riders down the line.

Don’t waste good horses. Send a couple white supremacists down there….
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
This is how history is changed.

Guess we should start planning galas for all the new kings and queens, yes?

I do wish I could get all jumped up about things but I don't have a thing to wear.
Something like Fort Lewis boots or similar Plus appropriate LBG/Mag Pouches would be a great start.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A scholar once said that societies that burn books will eventually burn people. He was right, the nazies first burn books and then people. Today books are remotely edited. Soon people will be remotely edited and even erased.
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've always thought this will ultimately happen to the Bible. So many use the online Bibles, and it would be so easy to start small, changing something here and there, and completely altering the meaning of verses. Before long, the Bible as we know it is gone. That's one reason I bought an 1880's copy a few years ago, because just like 1984, things will be changed
 
I've always thought this will ultimately happen to the Bible. So many use the online Bibles, and it would be so easy to start small, changing something here and there, and completely altering the meaning of verses. Before long, the Bible as we know it is gone. That's one reason I bought an 1880's copy a few years ago, because just like 1984, things will be changed
Bear in mind that while digital versions of any text can be slowly/quickly changed over time, a known accurate copy of any text can be embedded with a bit of tech that confirms the authenticity and veracity of the digital copy.

We just don't do this, per se - called "watermarking" in the digital photo/image business - several different ways to have the viewer's computer validate any given digital file - assuming that it is created/embedded with proper validation credentialing.

The tech does not "have to work against us."

It can also "work for us."

Tech is amoral - it only gains a "morality" once it is deployed by a human. What is the "intention" of the human/group deploying any given tech? Depends upon who is sitting behind the steering wheel, sez me.


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