SCI JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right (foundational red-shift axiom at basis of big bang theory is thus disproved)

jward

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Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts – holoscience.com​


Scott Douglass​






Presented posthumously, the second excerpt from the JWST VALIDATION Series by Wal Thornhill. Narrated by Stuart Talbott.
After the James Webb Space Telescope became fully operational in July 2022, Wal Thornhill meticulouslystudied its discoveries that validated his predictions until his death in February 2023.

Wal scrutinized the Webb images of the Seyfert 2 galaxy NGC 7319 that revealed a substantial dust lane behind the quasar in NGC 7319—unambiguous proof this high redshift quasar is a foreground object.

These observations falsify the redshift-distance relationship—the foundational axiom upon which the whole edifice of Big Bang cosmology is erected. The wisdom of Edwin Hubble’s caution is demonstrated—and Halton Arp is vindicated yet again, just as Wal predicted.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISi8hH-QC_Y

Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts​



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Old Greek

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Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts – holoscience.com​


Scott Douglass​






Presented posthumously, the second excerpt from the JWST VALIDATION Series by Wal Thornhill. Narrated by Stuart Talbott.
After the James Webb Space Telescope became fully operational in July 2022, Wal Thornhill meticulouslystudied its discoveries that validated his predictions until his death in February 2023.

Wal scrutinized the Webb images of the Seyfert 2 galaxy NGC 7319 that revealed a substantial dust lane behind the quasar in NGC 7319—unambiguous proof this high redshift quasar is a foreground object.

These observations falsify the redshift-distance relationship—the foundational axiom upon which the whole edifice of Big Bang cosmology is erected. The wisdom of Edwin Hubble’s caution is demonstrated—and Halton Arp is vindicated yet again, just as Wal predicted.

RT<15m​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISi8hH-QC_Y

Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts​



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Very cool - thanks for posting - amazing photos!
 

CaryC

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Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts – holoscience.com​


Scott Douglass​






Presented posthumously, the second excerpt from the JWST VALIDATION Series by Wal Thornhill. Narrated by Stuart Talbott.
After the James Webb Space Telescope became fully operational in July 2022, Wal Thornhill meticulouslystudied its discoveries that validated his predictions until his death in February 2023.

Wal scrutinized the Webb images of the Seyfert 2 galaxy NGC 7319 that revealed a substantial dust lane behind the quasar in NGC 7319—unambiguous proof this high redshift quasar is a foreground object.

These observations falsify the redshift-distance relationship—the foundational axiom upon which the whole edifice of Big Bang cosmology is erected. The wisdom of Edwin Hubble’s caution is demonstrated—and Halton Arp is vindicated yet again, just as Wal predicted.

RT<15m​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISi8hH-QC_Y

Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts​



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Didn't Hubble refute his own assessment, later on?

IN case anyone is wondering what all the hubbub is all about: Roughly the meaning is the redshift in a planet/star was presented as meaning the object was moving away er go the big bang and objects were moving away from the center of the explosion.

Which was presented by Hubble as a theory, and he later refuted his own theory. Red shift has nothing to do with movement.
 

Creedmoor

Tempus Fugit
Sad. I didn’t know he had passed. RIP. Eventually the Big Bang and red shift based expanding universe theory will be remembered in the same vein as the Earth -centric views of old.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Maybe it wasn't a Big Bang. Maybe it was a rip in the fabric of Nothing, and all the Somethings just oozed out from yet another Universe. Would kind of explain the different dimensions people believe exist.

:lol:
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
In other words, the relatively EASILY verified Doppler Shift found in moving SOUND sources does NOT apply to light and light sources??
I lived close to a RR track growing up. Little town, one or two trains a night, multiple crossings, train whistles.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
In other words, the relatively EASILY verified Doppler Shift found in moving SOUND sources does NOT apply to light and light sources??
That's the take-home message. Note that the red shift is a spectral shift, not necessarily related to the speed of light.
 

one4freedom

Senior Member
How is red shift explained, then?
James Mccanney Home - JMCC Wing explained in his books that it has to do with the electomagnetic fields which are caused by the proton winds given off by stars (the induced dipole effect I think he called it) The stronger the field the greater the red shift. That is why objects like Quasars have an extreme red shift even if they aren't moving away at extreme speed. His books are worth reading IMHO.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I lived close to a RR track growing up. Little town, one or two trains a night, multiple crossings, train whistles.
I've always viewed the Big Bang as if it were a railroad track. Look down the track and it looks like it becomes a single point, but if you walk down the track you never get to the point. The Big Bang is calculated from reversing the current apparent movement, so it looks like a point from here. But if you could get close to that calculated point, it might not look like a point at all. It's an artifact of the calculation, not necessarily a real event.
 

Uhhmmm...

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New Webb telescope observations throw a wrench in our understanding of the Big Bang​

OK, so let’s start with the obvious. The Big Bang is not dead. Recent observations by the James Webb Space Telescope have not disproven the big bang, despite certain popular articles claiming otherwise. If that’s all you need to hear, then have a great day. That said, the latest Webb observations do reveal some strange and unexpected things about the universe, and if you’d like to know more, keep reading.

More Here -> LINK
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
How is red shift explained, then?
You won't find the explanation in "believe the science" as with the vax type of science.

As with the Copernicus theory, adopted by MSS (main stream science). Which is being disproven as we speak, and Evolution. Red Shift is in all the "science" journals. But the fact that Hubble refuted his own theory is not.

Therefore any "looking up" will always default to the accepted theory.

It has been a while since I read up on it, if you really have to have it, I'll look for it but may take a few days. Do you want me to?
 

Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
Want to know about Wal Thornhill and his "Electric Universe Theory"?

Electric Universe (EU) is an umbrella term that covers various pseudo-scientific cosmological ideas built around the claim that the formation and existence of various features of the Universe can be better explained by electricity and magnetism than by gravity alone. As a rule, EU is usually touted as an aether-based theory with numerous references to tall tales from mythology. However, the exact details and claims are ambiguous, lack mathematical formalism, and often vary from one delusional crank to the next.

EU advocates can be roughly split into two groups. The first are garden-variety physics cranks who are convinced that they have a legitimate, revolutionary scientific theory, and that the scientific establishment is either blindly ignoring them out of misplaced faith in their own theories, or deliberately suppressing them for some greater, nefarious purpose. This group has somewhat cross-pollinated with Flat-Earthers who realize gravity is a problem with a flat earth model but still want some stain of science on their stuff because "god did it" isn't good enough.

The second group is composed of various other woo-peddlers who use EU claims to prop up their main ideas (because mainstream physics would blow them apart). For these people, the EU hypothesis is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself. The more common subsets of this group include some Young Earth creationists, who wish to discredit the mainstream cosmology and geology suggesting that Earth is billions of years old, and some of the loonier fringes of global warming denialism (such as Vault-Co), who are trying to find some process outside human control that they can attribute climate change to. The latter particularly like the hypotheses of Pierre-Marie Robitaille...

Immanuel Velikovsky (1895–1979) was an enthusiastic early adopter of electric universe ideas, seeing in them a possible mechanism to explain his hypothesis of a violent rearranging of the Solar System as recently as a few thousand years ago, and that Earth had previously been a satellite of Saturn. Velikovsky’s influence still looms large and has become an integral part of the current EU dogma. EU figureheads Wallace Thornhill and David Talbott are staunch supporters of Velikovsky’s mythological-based fairy tales and often pay tribute to the enormous influence he has had on shaping their own far-fetched theories.

More Here -> LINK
 

West

Senior
I still muse, we all live in a test tube, and sit on a shelf in a laboratory that God watches with delight and despair.

Hubble and alike are really looking into the lab. That's why nothing really adds up after years and years of study. It continues to be a mystery.

I gave up on believing all the hoopla of a space race. We should have hotels and huge bases on the moon by now. Why don't we? I want to know why. Not because we spent our monies on welfare or government largess, those excuses don't fly for me.

Obviously we are stuck here in this test tube or alike. And obviously we are here from a intelligent designer. Stuff like our lives/reality didn't just happen.
 

somewherepress

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Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts – holoscience.com​


Scott Douglass​






Presented posthumously, the second excerpt from the JWST VALIDATION Series by Wal Thornhill. Narrated by Stuart Talbott.
After the James Webb Space Telescope became fully operational in July 2022, Wal Thornhill meticulouslystudied its discoveries that validated his predictions until his death in February 2023.

Wal scrutinized the Webb images of the Seyfert 2 galaxy NGC 7319 that revealed a substantial dust lane behind the quasar in NGC 7319—unambiguous proof this high redshift quasar is a foreground object.

These observations falsify the redshift-distance relationship—the foundational axiom upon which the whole edifice of Big Bang cosmology is erected. The wisdom of Edwin Hubble’s caution is demonstrated—and Halton Arp is vindicated yet again, just as Wal predicted.

RT<15m​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISi8hH-QC_Y

Wal Thornhill: JWST – Cosmic Dust Proves Arp Invariably Right | Thunderbolts​



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A whole lot of cosmologists gonna be burnin' the midnite oil to refute this....
 

jward

passin' thru

Wal Thornhill: JWST – Maverick Quasars & Redshift Values | Thunderbolts​


by Scott Douglass | March 18, 2023 12:00 am


Presented posthumously, this is the initial excerpt from the complete transcript of the JWST VALIDATION Series by Wal Thornhill. It is narrated by Stuart Talbott.

After the James Webb Space Telescope became fully operational in July 2022, Wal Thornhill meticulously studied its discoveries that validated his predictions until his death in February 2023.
Webb’s early science images provide vindication of Arp’s basic contentions that cosmological redshift is intrinsic and not due to expansion of the Universe. His theory of quasar birth from active galactic nuclei is correct. The striking evidence is the quasar ejected from the nucleus of Galaxy NGC 7319.

In June 2021 one of Wal’s predictions was the JWST will support Halton Arp’s research that quasars are not at extreme distances indicated by the Standard Model interpretation of high redshift.
Whenever an EU Model prediction is verified it illustrates fundamental change.


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jward

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It is now a century since the Norwegian genius Kristian Birkeland proved that the phenomenal ‘northern lights’ or aurora borealis is an earthly connection with the electrical Sun. Later, Hannes Alfvén the Swedish Nobel Prize winning physicist, with a background in electrical engineering and experience of the northern lights, drew the solar circuit. It is no coincidence that Scandinavian scientists led the way in showing that we live in an ELECTRIC UNIVERSE®.
Why have they been ignored? The answer may be found in the inertia of prior beliefs and the failure of our educational institutions. We humans are better storytellers than scientists. We see the universe through the filter of tales we are told in childhood and our education systems reward those who can best repeat them. Dissent is discouraged so that many of the brightest intellects become bored and drop out. The history of science is sanitized to ignore the great controversies of the past, which were generally ‘won’ by a vote instead of reasoned debate. Today NASA does science by press release and investigative journalism is severely inhibited. And narrow experts who never left school do their glossy media ‘show and tell,’ keeping the public in the dark in this ‘dark age’ of science. It is often said, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” History shows otherwise that entrenched paradigms resist extraordinary disproof.
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jward

passin' thru
WTH kind of title is that? (Not directed at you jward)
actually, of course, all such comments are indeed directed at the OP. As BW states though, sometimes the rules ARE enforced, and the rule is to use the title without editing or editorializing. I detest spechual cats, and thus always attempt to meet any guidelines stated consistantly & clearly enough to be elucidated :: indifferent shrug ::

The parenthesis addition is on me, I thought it provided useful guidance to what many, (i assumed), might find an esoteric area of a rather specialized field of interest/knowledge.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
BW and jward, yes, I understand the rules and try to follow them myself.

In this case (OP), you have to read to the second paragraph to understand what JWST actually means, and the 5th to find out who/what Arp is/was.

usually, if I can’t tell from the title what an article is going to be about, I just skip it. I’m sure I’m not the only one. The “problem” in my view is with the author/publisher.
 

jward

passin' thru

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Every constant we believe is static, is not. We are finding everything is relative and affected by other things. Gravity is still not understood and we are finding that the theory of relativity is not a constant as the speed of light is not a constant either...
 
Have at times wondered what limits speed of light to what it is, and maybe that parameter varies like matter density or something. Actually more concerned with breakfast and paying bills. Taxes are done and filed, 0/0.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The following video covers a lot of cosmology, different areas, and different viewpoints.

The time stamps of 35 minutes through 40 minutes covers the red shift.

The entire video is some 1 hour and 30 minutes. I think is a good video, presented by numerous Ph. D.'s, but is presented in such a way that ordinary people, like myself, can understand it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHnwl22hxiE
 

jward

passin' thru
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The Latest Webb Observations Don’t Disprove The Big Bang, But They Are Interesting​



OK, so let’s start with the obvious. The Big Bang is not dead. Recent observations by the James Webb Space Telescope have not disproven the big bang, despite certain popular articles claiming otherwise. If that’s all you need to hear, then have a great day. That said, the latest Webb observations do reveal some strange and unexpected things about the universe, and if you’d like to know more, keep reading.

Let’s start with the rumors. What about the new Webb data would suggest the big bang is wrong? The same type of data Hubble gave us years ago. We generally think of evidence for the big bang being centered around two facts: first, that more distant galaxies have a higher redshift than closer ones; and second, that the universe is filled with a cosmic background of microwave radiation.
The first suggests that the universe is expanding in all directions, while the second suggests that it was once in a very hot and dense state. These are two of the Three Pillars of data supporting the big bang, the third being the relative abundance of elements in the early universe.


But these observations are just the foundation of the big bang model. We have long since expanded on these to create the standard model of cosmology, also known as the LCDM model. That is a universe that began with the big bang and is filled with matter, dark matter, and dark energy. Everything from the acceleration of cosmic expansion to the clustering of galaxies supports this standard model. And the standard model makes predictions about other observational tests, so we can further prove its validity. That’s where the latest claims of the “big bust” come into play.
chart showing how far back in time hubble and webb can observe

JWST can see much deeper than Hubble.
NASA, ESA, Leah Hustak (STScI)

One of these secondary tests is known as the Tolman surface brightness test. It was first proposed in the 1930s by Richard C. Tolman and compared the apparent brightness of a galaxy with its apparent size. The ratio of brightness to size is known as surface brightness.

Generally, the bigger a galaxy, the brighter it should be, so the surface brightness of every galaxy should be roughly the same. More distant galaxies would appear dimmer, but they’d also have a smaller apparent size, so the surface brightness would still be the same. The Tolman test predicts that in a static, non-expanding universe, the surface brightness of all galaxies should be about the same, regardless of distance.

This isn’t what we see. What we observe is that more distant galaxies have a dimmer surface brightness than closer ones. The amount of dimming is proportional to the amount of redshift the galaxy has. You might think this proves that all those distant galaxies are speeding away from us, but it actually doesn’t. If those distant galaxies were speeding away, you’d have two dimming effects. The red shift and the ever-increasing distance. The Tolman test predicts that in a simple expanding universe, the surface brightness of galaxies should diminish proportional to both redshift and distance. We only see the effects of redshift.

This fact has led some to propose a static universe where light spontaneously loses energy over time. It’s the so-called tired light hypothesis, and it’s very popular among big bang opponents. If the universe is static and light is tired, then the Tolman test predicts exactly what we observe. Hence no big bang.

Back in 2014, Eric Lerner et al. published a paper making exactly this point. It caused a flurry of “Big Bang Dead!” articles in the popular media. The latest claims about Webb killing the big bang began with a popular article by the same Eric Lerner. So here we are. In fairness, back in 2014, the Hubble observations supported Lerner’s claim, and so do the latest Webb observations. But what Lerner conveniently omitted from his paper is that the Hubble and Webb observations also support the LCDM model.

It’s a common misconception that redshift proves that galaxies are speeding away from us. They aren’t. Distant galaxies aren’t speeding through space. Space itself is expanding, putting greater distance between us. It’s a subtle difference, but it means that galactic redshift is caused by cosmic expansion, not relative motion. It also means that distant galaxies appear a bit larger than they would in a static universe. They are distant and tiny, but the expansion of space gives the illusion of them being larger. As a result, the surface brightness of distant galaxies dims only proportional to redshift.
Cosmic redshift is not caused by the Doppler effect.

Credit:
Of course, we know tired light is wrong because of the cosmic microwave background. A static, tired-light universe wouldn’t have any remnant heat from a primordial fireball. Not to mention the fact that distant galaxies would appear blurred (they don’t), and distant supernovae wouldn’t be time-dilated by cosmic expansion (they are). The only model that supports all the evidence is the big bang. Lerner’s argument is an old one that has long been disproven.

All that said, the James Webb Space Telescope has found some unusual things. Most significantly, it has found more galaxies and more distant galaxies than there should be, and that could lead to some revolutionary changes in our standard model.


Our current understanding is that after the big bang, the universe went through a period known as the dark ages. During this period, the first light of the cosmos had faded, and the first stars and galaxies hadn’t yet formed. Webb is so sensitive it can see some of the youngest galaxies that formed just after the dark ages. We would expect those young galaxies to be less numerous and less developed than later galaxies. But the Webb observations have found very redshifted, very young galaxies that are both common and surprisingly mature.

It’s the kind of puzzling and unexpected data astronomers were hoping for. It’s why we wanted to build the Webb telescope in the first place. And it tells us that while the big bang model isn’t wrong, some of our assumptions about it might be.
This article was originally published on Universe Today by Brian Koberlein. Read the original article here.

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