INSANITY Judge rules Kansas cannot require citizenship proof to vote

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Judge rules Kansas cannot require citizenship proof to vote
Published May 18, 2016 Associated Press


WICHITA, Kan. – A judge said Tuesday that Kansas can't require people to show proof of U.S. citizenship when registering to vote for federal elections at motor vehicle offices.

U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson ruled that the state's proof-of-citizenship requirements likely violate a provision in the National Voter Registration Act that requires only "minimal information" to determine a voter's eligibility. She ordered Kansas to register thousands of voters whose paperwork is on hold because they did not comply with the requirement. But she put her preliminary injunction on hold until May 31 to give the state a chance to appeal.

The state immediately said it would appeal. Unless a higher court halts Robinson's order before the end of the month, it would take effect then, clearing the way for those residents to cast a ballot in the upcoming federal elections.

Robinson wrote that "even if instances of noncitizens voting cause indirect voter disenfranchisement by diluting the votes of citizens, such instances pale in comparison to the number of qualified citizens who have been disenfranchised by this law."

The evidence shows only three instances in Kansas where noncitizens voted in a federal election between 1995 and 2013, and about 14 noncitizens attempted to register during that time. The court noted the "magnitude of harm" caused by 18,372 applicants at motor vehicle offices who were denied registration due to the state's proof-of-citizenship law.

Although the registrations of more than 32,000 Kansans were in limbo as of last September, the injunction only applies to those people who registered at motor vehicle offices — a voter registration process that was established by the federal law popularly known as the "motor-voter law."
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Early voting for the state's August primary begins on July 13, the judge noted. Robinson wrote that the injunction was necessary because it was unlikely that the case would be decided at trial before the elections.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which filed the lawsuit on behalf of voters, said the ruling means thousands of people will be able to vote in the 2016 elections, and "sends a signal" to other states which may be considering these kinds of registration requirements.

Three other states — Arizona, Georgia and Alabama — have passed similar proof of citizenship laws, said Dale Ho, director of the ACLU's voting rights project. Arizona is the only other state that has actually implemented it, and that state has made sure eligible voters who register at motor vehicle offices make it onto the voter rolls for federal elections.

"Kansas is really the outlier here," Ho said.

The federal "motor-voter law" establishes various registration methods, and this lawsuit was brought under a provision of that law that allowed people to register to vote when getting their driver's licenses. The ACLU argued Congress intended for motor-voter registration to involve the "least possible barriers" to allow citizens to vote in federal elections.

Robinson agreed eligibility could be determined by attesting under penalty of perjury that the registrant was a U.S. citizen.

Federal law does not prohibit states from requiring more information to determine eligibility to vote in state elections, and Kansas has a dual registration system that bars people who do not provide proof of citizenship from voting in local and state elections.

That two-tier process has been challenged under state law, and a state judge held earlier this year in that case that Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach lacked legal authority under state law to keep federal registrants from voting in Kansas elections. Kobach's request asking the state judge in that case to reconsider is pending.

Kobach said he plans to appeal Robinson's ruling, saying counties would have to distinguish between people who register to vote at driver's license offices and other prospective voters. Also, he said, the state could still require proof-of-citizenship to vote in state and local elections, making the registration system more complex.

"The court's order would be a nightmare to administer," Kobach said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-citizenship-proof-to-vote.html?intcmp=hplnws
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Dennis, this is why we need to elect Trump as our next President. THIS RULING IS TREASON; THIS JUDGE IS A TRAITOR. SHE NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED AND PUT IN JAIL.

Allowing illegals to vote will throw the election to Hellary. This judge just made a political decision solely for the benefit of Hellary Clinton. This is an impeachable offense done by a liberal enemy of the people.

Yep, let the purge of the liberal judges begin.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Dennis, this is why we need to elect Trump as our next President. THIS RULING IS TREASON; THIS JUDGE IS A TRAITOR. SHE NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED AND PUT IN JAIL.

Allowing illegals to vote will throw the election to Hellary. This judge just made a political decision solely for the benefit of Hellary Clinton. This is an impeachable offense done by a liberal enemy of the people.

Yep, let the purge of the liberal judges begin.

Hopefully Trump will be on top of any and all voter fraud and bulls*** like this and fight every irregularity and crime.
 

vestige

Deceased
Surprise! Surprise!

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Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ya know...they are always yammering about qualified citizens that are being disenfranchised by these laws but I have yet to actually see one of these mythical beings.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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The court noted the "magnitude of harm" caused by 18,372 applicants at motor vehicle offices who were denied registration due to the state's proof-of-citizenship law.

So, they have adequate proof of citizenship to get a driver's license, but it's "too hard" to make them produce it to prove they're legally allowed to vote?!! WTF?

If they can provide proof of citizenship to get foodstamps, medicaid, etc, they sure as hell can provide it to register to vote.

Summerthyme
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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So, they have adequate proof of citizenship to get a driver's license, but it's "too hard" to make them produce it to prove they're legally allowed to vote?!! WTF?

If they can provide proof of citizenship to get foodstamps, medicaid, etc, they sure as hell can provide it to register to vote.

Summerthyme


It has to do with the dead voting and having picture ID.

Facilitating voter fraud.

Can't have 110% voter turnout without it, dontchaknow.
 

MetalMan

Veteran Member
So, they have adequate proof of citizenship to get a driver's license, but it's "too hard" to make them produce it to prove they're legally allowed to vote?!! WTF?

If they can provide proof of citizenship to get foodstamps, medicaid, etc, they sure as hell can provide it to register to vote.

Summerthyme

You do not need to prove you are a citizen to obtain food stamps. You only need an address. Many states issue drivers license to illegals. Most places require an valid address to vote.

Not saying it is right but that is the way it is.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, if illegals don't have to show proof of age to get a drivers license, why the H-E-double hockey sticks do kids born and raised her? As a matter of fact, why require a birth certificate to get a passport? Let's just open everything up and have a good old fashion free for all!!!
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
State can require proof in order to get a state drivers license and showing a driver license before voting is somewhat standard procedure. Before I could vote in the primary I had to hand them my driver license and they look my name up in the books.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
That judge NEEDS to be PROMPTLY REMOVED! To even allow the possibility of ONE SINGLE NON CITIZEN TO VOTE IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS CRIMINAL! There is NO reason that ANY group can use to NOT HAVE A VALID ID! The poor, who use Medicaid MUST, MUST present valid ID in order to use their Medicaid cards when at the hospital, or doctor's office. To cash a welfare check, or, now mainly used, direct deposit, the backs require a photo ID! This is nothing more that a ploy, to fill the voter ranks with undocumented illegal DEMOCRAT voters. REMOVE THIS BITCH!
 

NoName

Veteran Member
Well, bright side..if there is one, is that with last weeks opposite ruling in Texas, maybe the damn illegals will move to Kansas.
 
Well, bright side..if there is one, is that with last weeks opposite ruling in Texas, maybe the damn illegals will move to Kansas.

Not a chance. We just cut welfare benefits and possibly soon will do the same with medicaid reimbursements.

There is a silver lining to a budget shortfall with a Republican majority and a Republican governor. Republicans in Kansas are for the most part throwbacks to what Republicans used to be, traditionalists and conservatives.

So we are starving the bureaucracies out of necessity, which ain't half bad, especially when it deters grifters of all types from moving in.

The liberal rags are pounding the governor and legislature relentlessly for the cutbacks.
 
That judge was probably one of Sebelius's picks when she was governor. We have a lot of progressive judges in Kansas because of her tenure, and the way judges are selected.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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There are a lot of Kansas citizens who don't have a birth certificate they can pull out of the drawer.

It sucks to be them.

Every state has some mechanism in place to replace lost birth certificates.

I bet if it meant getting their free shit or cable TV they would get damned skippy on replacing it.

If voting isn't that important, eff 'em.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Here's how it works up north - you have to present appropriate ID:

http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e

Not complicated, no delays, no arguments, elections never questioned AFAIK.

Just as a point of reference, a passport is NOT SUFFICIENT ID to vote..................

FRIED me when they said that..............................

And then, as I listened (an odd experience believe me) and waited for the logic to sink in, I had to agree.

My passport does NOT have my actual address on it so there was no way for them to prove I lived in the precinct.

And, after voting, I got to drag my tail out in disgrace at what I had said earlier........
 

Be Well

may all be well
It sucks to be them.

Every state has some mechanism in place to replace lost birth certificates.

I bet if it meant getting their free shit or cable TV they would get damned skippy on replacing it.

If voting isn't that important, eff 'em.

If people are too stupid to have any real ID they are too stupid to vote. Either that, or the likelier possibility is they are illegal, not citizens, or otherwise lying or using fake name or whatever.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Not a chance. We just cut welfare benefits and possibly soon will do the same with medicaid reimbursements.

There is a silver lining to a budget shortfall with a Republican majority and a Republican governor. Republicans in Kansas are for the most part throwbacks to what Republicans used to be, traditionalists and conservatives.

So we are starving the bureaucracies out of necessity, which ain't half bad, especially when it deters grifters of all types from moving in.


The liberal rags are pounding the governor and legislature relentlessly for the cutbacks.

Excellent. Without $$, bad fruit withers on the vine!
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
You do not need to prove you are a citizen to obtain food stamps. You only need an address. Many states issue drivers license to illegals. Most places require an valid address to vote.

Not saying it is right but that is the way it is.
Mom gave the DOT a birth certificate for my learners permit around 1970. Never had to prove it again. Until 2017 when I will need a birth certificate to renew my CDL. My driver's license has sufficed until now.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So, they have adequate proof of citizenship to get a driver's license, but it's "too hard" to make them produce it to prove they're legally allowed to vote?!! WTF?

They've been driving for decades; nobody asked to see their proof of citizenship when they registered (if they are registered), they've been grandfathered into the system. Some are quite elderly and were probably known to the registrar when they first registered.
 

DHR43

Since 2001
Just as a point of reference, a passport is NOT SUFFICIENT ID to vote..................

FRIED me when they said that..............................

And then, as I listened (an odd experience believe me) and waited for the logic to sink in, I had to agree.

My passport does NOT have my actual address on it so there was no way for them to prove I lived in the precinct.

And, after voting, I got to drag my tail out in disgrace at what I had said earlier........

Yep...the criteria in Canada is that a passport will work as long as you produce one (ONE!) other piece of ID with your address on it. That piece of ID can be a telephone or credit card bill or one of another dozen easy-to-get documents.

It's breathtakingly EASY to prove you're qualified to vote. If one doesn't have two of these documents, well, get out of the voting station.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson ruled that the state's proof-of-citizenship requirements likely violate a provision in the National Voter Registration Act that requires only "minimal information" to determine a voter's eligibility. She ordered Kansas to register thousands of voters whose paperwork is on hold because they did not comply with the requirement. But she put her preliminary injunction on hold until May 31 to give the state a chance to appeal.

I am at a complete loss as to how proof of US citizenship and KS residency does not fall under the bar of 'minimal information'. The criteria to vote and meeting that criteria must logically meet the 'minimal information' requirement.

This is about making sure illegal aliens votes are protected while US sovereignty is burned on the altar of globalism.

Same reason Somalis can leave the country w/ suitcases full of millions of $ to fly back to Africa, but Americans travelling inside US borders w/ less than $10,000 are treated like terrorists.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/inv...ull-of-cash-leaving-sea-tac-airport/199976318

US citizens are treated like criminals for the same activity that is blessed for illegals.
 
Is that why Kansas is in such dire financial straits?

Brownback's tax cuts initiated in 2012 would have boosted growth enough to boost revenues during a normal economic recovery instead of what we have, a "smoke and mirrors" false recovery. And the collapse in oil and agriculture prices were the final nail in the coffin. So the budget shortfall was further exacerbated.

Still, I am happy with the results as I noted above. We will get through this without attracting grifters to our State and without bowing to the Tyrant Obummer.

Thank God Brownback is starving the bureaucracies, cutting the fat.

Thank God Brownback did not expand Medicaid like Obummer wanted him too.

Eventually the tax cuts will be rescinded because the whole U.S. economy is getting worse, but by the time that happens we will have had a necessary pruning, long overdue.
 
There are a lot of Kansas citizens who don't have a birth certificate they can pull out of the drawer.

You mean the illegals who are pretending to be legal after years, even decades, of subterfuge? For the others there are ways to acquire a birth certificate. (I have done it. It was not onerous). It is important that we safeguard the election process. I know what is important to you, the "drowning" of us as soon as possible by all means necessary, including voter fraud.
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
If someone is truly poor and has no BC, and is REALLY a legal citizen, there should be a way for them to get one for free or certainly at a highly reduced price. If you are also talking about citizens who cannot read of write, or are too dim to figure out how to get a BC, maybe they oughtn't to be voting in the first place?
 

FarmerJohn

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If someone is truly poor and has no BC, and is REALLY a legal citizen, there should be a way for them to get one for free or certainly at a highly reduced price. If you are also talking about citizens who cannot read of write, or are too dim to figure out how to get a BC, maybe they oughtn't to be voting in the first place?

Those who will need one, who still do not know that this new requirement may/has been put into place will not necessarily be notified as to the new requirements unless a mass mailing from their Kansas County BoEs goes out. Even then, some will receive a nasty surprise come election day.
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
There are a lot of Kansas citizens who don't have a birth certificate they can pull out of the drawer.

Neither did I but I have to have one to renew my CDL nest year so I can remain employed. Cost me $20 per copy and if I have it sent another $$30. So I made the 30 mile trip to Des Moines. On a weekday not a week end day when I am not scheduled to work. Cry me a river. Its to fight terrorism you know.
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
https://www.kshs.org/p/genealogy-vital-records-in-kansas/11313



Records After 1911
The State of Kansas started keeping official records of births and deaths on July 1, 1911. Marriage licenses were required beginning in 1867, but they were not filed at the state level until May 1, 1913. To order copies of vital records after those dates, you need to contact the Kansas Office of Vital Statistics, Charles B. Curtis State Office Building, 1000 SW Jackson Street, Suite 120, Topeka, KS 66612-1221; 785-296-


So according to Kansan Historical Society you need to be 105 years old to not have a birth certificate available. How many 106 year olds are voting?
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Neither did I but I have to have one to renew my CDL nest year so I can remain employed. Cost me $20 per copy and if I have it sent another $$30. So I made the 30 mile trip to Des Moines. On a weekday not a week end day when I am not scheduled to work. Cry me a river. Its to fight terrorism you know.

I get it, they're collateral damage.
 
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