Jackboots in the Street as Fascists take over America

USDA

Veteran Member
Jackboots in the Street as Fascists take over America
Source: New York Times
Published: November 4, 2004 Author: David D.Kirkpatrick
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ARLINGTON, Va., Nov. 3 - Exulting in their electoral victories, President Bush's conservative supporters immediately turned to staking out mandates for an ambitious agenda of long-cherished goals, including privatizing Social Security, banning same-sex marriage, remaking the Supreme Court and overturning the court's decisions in support of abortion rights.

"Now comes the revolution," Richard Viguerie, the dean of conservative direct mail, told about a dozen fellow movement stalwarts gathered around a television here, tallying up their Senate seats in the earliest hours of the morning. "If you don't implement a conservative agenda now, when do you?"



By midday, however, fights over the spoils had already begun, as conservatives debated the electorate's verdict on the war in Iraq, the Bush administration's spending and the administration's hearty embrace of traditionalist social causes.

Conservative Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, were first in line to stake their claims, citing polls showing that a plurality of Bush supporters named "moral values" as the most important issue and arguing that a drive to ban same-sex marriage boosted turnout in Ohio.

"Make no mistake - conservative Christians and 'values voters' won this election for George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress," Mr. Viguerie wrote in a memorandum sent to other prominent conservatives. "It's crucial that the Republican leadership not forget this - as much as some will try," he said, underlining the final clause.

"Liberals, many in the media and inside the Republican Party are urging the president to 'unite' the country by discarding the allies that earned him another four years," Mr. Viguerie continued. "They're urging him to discard us conservative Catholics and Protestants, people for whom moral values are the most important issue.''

Dr. James C. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family and an influential evangelical Protestant, said he had issued a warning to a "White House operative" who called yesterday morning to thank him for his help.

Dr. Dobson said he told the caller that many Christians believed the country "on the verge of self-destruction" as it abandoned traditional family roles. He argued that "through prayer and the involvement of millions of evangelicals, and mainline Protestants and Catholics, God has given us a reprieve."

"But I believe it is a short reprieve," he continued, adding that conservatives now had four years to pass an amendment banning same-sex marriage, to stop abortion and embryonic stem-cell research, and most of all to remake the Supreme Court. "I believe that the Bush administration now needs to be more aggressive in pursuing those values, and if they don't do it I believe they will pay a price in four years," he said.

Dr. Dobson and several other Christian conservatives said they believed the expanded Republican majority in the Senate and the defeat of the Senate Democratic leader, Tom Daschle, put them in striking distance of both amending the constitution to ban same-sex marriage and approving the appointment of enough conservative Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe v. Wade and other abortion rights cases.

"I think it is a real possibility," said Senator Sam Brownback, Republican of Kansas, a champion of social conservative causes. In the meantime, he said, he also hoped to pass other measures conservatives had campaigned for this year, including an "Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act" requiring some women seeking abortions to be offered anesthesia for their fetuses.

Austin Ruse, president of the conservative Catholic Culture of Life Foundation, suggested that if Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist steps down, Mr. Bush could begin to repay his social conservative backers by naming Justice Antonin Scalia to replace him. "We'd love to see Scalia in that spot, and I think we have earned it," Mr. Ruse said.

The strongest argument that Christian conservatives played a decisive role in the election came in Ohio, where a ballot measure to ban same-sex marriage passed by an overwhelming margin. Conservatives said the proposal increased conservative turnout and helped Mr. Bush win a narrow, pivotal victory.

(I hate this...I mean while I think homosexuals should go back to the closet and don't qualify for same sex marriage...just as man should demand and get rights to marry a chicken...and abortion should only be in life saving times...3rd trimister abortions being murder....and I believe in 2nd amendment rights to own fire arms, yet...I am expected to believe Bush is a Conservative...when he is plainly a Globalist and trashes the Constitution...you see how we are divided?) :mad:
 

Samson

Senior Member
USDA,
I would be very interested to hear your reasons for thinking that Bush "Trashes the Constitution"

If you feel that your post made this clear then I just do not get it.

Do not get me wrong, I am not trying to pick a fight with you! I would like to hear your reasons and know how it affects me and mine.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
Samson said:
I would be very interested to hear your reasons for thinking that Bush "Trashes the Constitution"

Illegal war in Iraq.

Has not overturned any other gun control measures. He cannot be given credit for the AWB expiring...as the expiration was part of the law before he was even in office. In fact, he said he supports it. Yup, he supports the assult weapons ban....can't trust common sheeple with guns now can we.

If Iraq is a just war, then why isn't he also attacking other countries that are known to harbor terrorism? In fact, a rich Saudi prince is wanted on a U.S. warrant for allowing Columbian drug lords to use his plane to ship drugs. Why hasn't he demand the return of that person to stand trial in the U.S.?

He has allowed a corrupt organization to keep all their bank accounts, buildings and such in the country while using the Patriot Act and other laws to freeze the accounts of organizations said to be supporting terrorism. Sounds to me like the UN is his friend even though we have proof the oil for food program was corrupt. If they were giving Saddam money, and Saddam was a danger to the US with reguards to terrorism...then why hasn't Bush kicked the UN out of the country?
 

Camasjune

Veteran Member
The problem is we can't legislate morality. Morality needs to be taught in the homes and the communities. We don't need more amendments, we need to restore our constitution.

4 more years of lip service.
 

Disciple

Veteran Member
So now just the fact that Conservatives would even TALK ABOUT overturning gay and abortion rights is considered Jackboots in the street? I just hope the Bush group repents for being so weak up till this day and finally heeds some Godly counsel! Get on with the job! Stop the shedding of innocent blood and at very LEAST raise a voice to say that YES homosexuality is wrong AND DISCOURAGE the acceptance of it in America.
 

Samson

Senior Member
Ravekid, I will respond to your post soon. It is the fact that your post raises so many questions and demands an answer that I am going to walk the dog and do other necessary things while I think.

Samson
 

CrazyStudent

Veteran Member
Camasjune said:
The problem is we can't legislate morality. Morality needs to be taught in the homes and the communities. We don't need more amendments, we need to restore our constitution.

4 more years of lip service.

So true. Reality is soon to intrude into the fantasy world that is called religious conservatism. Moral change is from the heart.
 

Phil Ca

Inactive
Dang, USDA: I fully expected to see black clad police or military in our streets based on the title of the thread! I am not unaware that we are moving toward a Dick-tater-ship on this country but I have not seen the JBTS around here yet. I was about ready to go dig out a musket and ball and get ready to do battle in the streets. :p I realize that you did not title the thread.

MrO: You seem to be referring to the anarchists as JBTs, maybe the difference in Canadian English and US English is the point of difference. In any case I have a different view of JBT's. The police in the photos are hardly JBT's. They do not even have helmets or gas masks. Their careless formation is nor that of JBT's but more of what the SFPD has become over the past few years of bad leadership. To many years of bad hiring practices and putting 5'4" women on the force has caused a major slippage in the overall force. You see the guy in a relaxed position with one foot on the wall? That would have been frowned on 20 or 30 years ago.

:cool:
 

housemouse

Membership Revoked
Just ran down to check on my "street", :::pant::pant:::, didn't see any yet, but will stake out the dogs to keep watch for me.
 

MrO

Senior Member
Phil: yeah, while I was posting, I was thinking that anarchists aren't what are typically called jackbooted thugs, rather just "garden-variety" thugs... Your point about the police in the photos is well-taken... they're certainly a far cry from stormtroopers.

Ironically, and speaking to a point raised in another thread, if *these* are the sort of lefties who intend to come on up to Canada, then they might be surprised. Our RCMP can be way more heavy-handed than many police forces in North America, and their reach is far broader than that of lots of police forces in the US, since they serve a dual-role as a local police force in many jurisdictions.

Kinda' like having the FBI as your local beat cops...
 

Samson

Senior Member
Ravekid said:
Illegal war in Iraq.

Has not overturned any other gun control measures. He cannot be given credit for the AWB expiring...as the expiration was part of the law before he was even in office. In fact, he said he supports it. Yup, he supports the assult weapons ban....can't trust common sheeple with guns now can we.

If Iraq is a just war, then why isn't he also attacking other countries that are known to harbor terrorism? In fact, a rich Saudi prince is wanted on a U.S. warrant for allowing Columbian drug lords to use his plane to ship drugs. Why hasn't he demand the return of that person to stand trial in the U.S.?

He has allowed a corrupt organization to keep all their bank accounts, buildings and such in the country while using the Patriot Act and other laws to freeze the accounts of organizations said to be supporting terrorism. Sounds to me like the UN is his friend even though we have proof the oil for food program was corrupt. If they were giving Saddam money, and Saddam was a danger to the US with reguards to terrorism...then why hasn't Bush kicked the UN out of the country?

Ok, I will play devils advocate to a degree but at the same time will stand behind some of my viewpoints.

Question. If you were the president do you not think it would be wise to pick your battles? Iraq & Afghanistan were a perfect place to start considering it’s geographical and strategic location. Yes, oil is important! I do think that the war was not managed correctly. The Middle East is mired in turmoil that can be traced back for centuries. We as a nation and as a people need to make some choices. It was the decision of this administration to go into Iraq with the hope to establish a democracy and stabilize the region. As it is this strategically important area of the world is unstable because of a backward, hate filled, system that teaches hate for anyone that does not tow the Islamic line.(Maddreses) The problem with this is that this way of life and what they are taught removes free will. This leads to conflict. Oil magnifies the problem.

Your post presents questions as to why we do not punish the Saudi’s, Columbia, UN, etc.........

If he did that would you be happy? Do you think that one man in one term as President could do so much? If not then would you not agree that he must START somewhere?

I feel you make to much of the AWB. Also many domestic issues are overblown as to their importance.

Our adventure into Iraq can and should be questioned. What I would like is some answers and or alternatives to the very real problems we face.

Samson
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
yep. four more y-e-a-r-s of lip service is right. didn't you people get it from the first four years? true conservatives certainly won't put up with 4 more of those years.
 

Samson

Senior Member
bigwavedave said:
yep. four more y-e-a-r-s of lip service is right. didn't you people get it from the first four years? true conservatives certainly won't put up with 4 more of those years.

Answers please!
 

Phil Ca

Inactive
MrO: I am glad that the FBI is not serving as beat cops here. I have met several over the years and was not overly impressed. I knew one working on the Patty Hearst case that on a dare or a bet rappelled down the federal bulding in SF.

This same agent even bragged about how, when Patty Hearst was ever found, the first person through the door would take her out. He showed a class of us his trunk full of climbing gear, firearms, MRE's, water and change of clothing including fatigues. Also optical equipment for firearms and spotting and field glasses.

BTW, when I was a kid I used to listen to "Sgt. Preston and Yukon King" a radio program that my sister and I enjoyed. that and the "Lone Ranger", "Hash knife Hartley", "FBI in Peace and War" and the "Cisco Kid" to name a few. (WARNING: THREAD DRIFT) :lol:
 

nanna

Devil's Advocate
Dang, USDA: I fully expected to see black clad police or military in our streets based on the title of the thread!


Obviously, you haven't been to NYC in the past few years, Phil. They are a fairly common sight, there. Usually travel in groups of 6 or 8 ... wearing all black (yes, with boots, too) and carrying machine guns. There have been several photos of them posted on this board. Some tourists pose with them for pictures, too, sort of like the Queen's Guardsmen with the black furry hats in London.

Perhaps that is one reason those who live in NYC voted against Bush. They got the JBTs but not a fraction of the "compensation" for 9/11 that was promised, they got *lied* to by the EPA (sanctioned by the White House) after 9/11, and then, to add insult to injury they got the Republican convention, too.

And, by the way, the "Hercules Force" as such black JBTs are called (how romantic) is complemented by the "Atlas Force", the FBI, the Feds, and so many other cabals of LEOs I have lost count.

It is one of many reasons I no longer live in NYC. But, I still do business there, and let me tell you, it isn't a fun place, to me, anymore.

JMO


nanna
 
Yawn. Oh yea, I forgot, Christians are the JBT the moment they try to regain any political ground from those who have condemned America to slow death. Brilliant.

Tras
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
Policy Change for Oakland Police on Dealing With Protests

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kpix/20041106/lo_kpix/11781&e=5

Sat Nov 6, 4:41 PM ET Local - KPIX/KCBS

Sue McGuire for KCBS-740 AM

As KCBS’ Matt Bigler reports the changes in crowd control policy are the result of a settlement with protestors.

The anti war demonstrators who sued Oakland police were on the receiving end of the weapons in April of last year.

They sued the department claiming police fired wooden bullets indiscriminately into the crowd.

The settlement calls for police to use pepper spray and nightsticks only on an individual basis as well as increase communication with protest groups.

Still unresolved are monetary damages sought by the protestors, many of whom suffered serious bruising as a result of being shot by the wooden bullets.
 
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