EBOLA is this possible?Ebola Can Be Prevented and Treated Naturally—So Why Are These Approaches

LilRose8

Veteran Member
Saw this article and thought it would be worth reading for future reference.

Ebola Can Be Prevented and Treated Naturally—So Why Are These Approaches Completely Ignored?

October 21, 2014

Could it be because there is little profit to be made from them? Action Alert!

With Ebola panic taking hold of the country, we hear very little about the natural ways to prevent the disease or treat the patients. This becomes even more important when you consider that these natural ways are less expensive and can often be self-administered. In addition, they often build up the immune system, and people susceptible to Ebola are more likely to have compromised immune systems.

As we discussed last month in our article on Ebola and natural remedies, the “Catch-22” of drug economics—that no one will spend the exorbitant sums needed to run clinical trials if the product can’t be patented and turned into a huge money-maker—practically ensures that natural treatments will be ignored.

The status quo in which government creates and protects drug company monopolies was always outrageous. Now with the threat of major and deadly pandemic in sight, it is completely unacceptable. It is essential that voters become aware of what is going on behind closed doors in Washington so they can speak up and move the political system—before millions of lives are needlessly lost and our economy also dealt a savage blow.

In our earlier article, we discussed how silver has been used as an antimicrobial for thousands of years and has the ability both to attack viruses and to inhibit their transmission. We also showed how intravenous vitamin C would be a tremendous benefit to patients in hospitals and clinics who have already contracted Ebola.

In addition to these approaches, some new research has uncovered other natural and effective treatments for Ebola:

According to an important study published in the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, the Ebola virus seems to be selenium-dependent—that is, the virus rapidly drains its host of the mineral selenium, making the patient vulnerable to high levels of oxidative stress, which in turn contributes to hemorrhaging and a breakdown of the immune system. Patients who are already selenium deficient—as people in developing nations often are, due to food and nutrition insufficiencies—are most vulnerable to Ebola.
Multiple studies have looked at selenium yeast—the organic form of selenium, which is superior in terms of bioavailability and metabolism when compared with inorganic forms of dietary selenium such as selenite—as having a profound impact on the incidence and progression of a variety of infectious and degenerative diseases. There is no question that selenium yeast is associated with increased ability to counteract oxidative stress.
Intravenous vitamin C may be useful in hospitals and clinics, but it isn’t offered there, and many patients won’t get that far or might not even be welcome if they did. Such patients might be given high doses of vitamin C in a liposome version—it is gentler on the body, and can be gotten to patients in rural areas where medical facilities may be lacking. Glutathione—also in a liposome version, if taken orally—helps recirculate vitamin C and helps strengthen the immune system. Liposomal forms of oral C are not a substitute for IV C, but any form of C could help tremendously if given to bowel tolerance.
Vitamin D is a vital necessity for our immune system to fight off viruses. Unfortunately, the darker one’s skin is—that is, the more melanin one has—the more sunlight one needs for the body to make its own vitamin D, so supplementation is critical. Megadoses would be indicated for patients who have already come in contact with the Ebola virus. Of course, at the moment, the dosages the government describes as megadoses barely get a patient into the upper range of “good” on a blood test. The current reference range in conventional medicine for adequate vitamin D in the blood is 30-100 ng/ml. Many people need 10,000 iu a day of supplemented D just to get above 60. Vitamin D in the blood is thought by many experts to be most antiviral around 70 ng/ml.
Curcumin, the active ingredient in turmeric, can down-regulate the “cytokine storms” that are often the immediate cause of death from Ebola and other pandemic viruses. A cytokine storm is the potentially fatal immune reaction caused by a positive feedback loop between cytokines (small proteins that affect normal cell behavior) and white blood cells. The primary symptoms of a cytokine storm are high fever, swelling and redness, extreme fatigue, and nausea.
In addition to curcumin, omega-3 fatty acids can also down-regulate the cytokine storm.

Other natural antivirals being studied include zinc, vitamins A and B12 (the latter as an adjunct to other antiviral therapies), and melatonin. Some of the best integrative doctors consulted by ANH-USA recommend vitamin A at high doses (over 100,000 iu a day) for its direct antiviral properties.
ANH-USA staff know a patient who had ultraviolet blood irradiation in conjunction with intravenous peroxide (among other things) for Lyme and viral co-infections several years ago, and it was very effective. The treatment was used in the 1940s and ’50s, though it is very difficult to find information on it as the FDA considers it illegal! Given its mechanism of action, this treatment may be effective for Ebola. Ozone taken intravenously or rectally is also likely to work, but faces similar government hostility since it would threaten existing drug monopolies. In a related article, we discuss the use of ultraviolet therapy in a medical device to disinfect hospitals of Ebola.

Action Alert! Write to both FDA and Congress. Ask them to permit natural treatments for Ebola without the lengthy drug approval process. Send your message today!
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
MY HERO. You wrapped it all up in a succinct neat bundle.
I have to print it out because it summarizes best low tech treatments.
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
On one of the older Main Ebola Discussion threads, there was an article about a doctor who was apparently having success treating ebola patients with the sodium selenite form of selenium (IIRC) until he ran out of it. I'd always read this was an inferior form, but perhaps to very deficient people, it can make a big difference. He used 2 mg. (not mcg.) per day for 9 days.

I personally take 300-400 mcg. of selenomethionine every day, a little bit more than the recommended amount.
 
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cjoi

Veteran Member
MY HERO. You wrapped it all up in a succinct neat bundle.
I have to print it out because it summarizes best low tech treatments.

^^^ What she said!!

There are many of us who have some experience employing these natural God-given treatments for very serious illnesses.

With respect to Se (Selenium) rather than elemental supplements it is far safer to use plant sources, such as the Selenium-rich yeast mentioned in O/P, or garlic, OR the very best source IMHO is Brazil Nuts which are the richest plant source of bio-available Se.

Over a decade ago, iirc, a brilliant international patent attorney and medical researcher explained to me ( well, several of us fellow researchers ) that virii ( viruses ) derive their virulence from the number of Selenium atoms that they consume in order to be pacified, if you will. Where some viruses may require only one atom, some particularly nasty ones need more. In the case of Ebola, he said, the virus requires ELEVEN Selenium atoms per copy of virus (!!! ) which accounts for the extraordinarily rapid depletion of the body's resources resulting in the stunningly rapid fulminating nature of Ebola. Also, IMHO, the does the curious difference in course/outcome depend upon the nutritional status of individual victims?

The same brilliant fellow reminded us that the microgram restrictions on RDA of elemental Selenium do NOT apply to food sources such as Brazil Nuts. Keep in mind that in Brazil, the oil is pressed from the nuts and both the resulting Brazil Nut flour and the oil are cooking staples, resulting in safe consumption of very high amounts of bio-available Selenium.

As, an aside, it might help to think of the very deadly malnutrition disease of piglets, called iirc White's Disease? Or White Muscle Disease? Mom or Summerthyme may have experience with this condition or may know the one I'm trying to remember... It's a condition that seizes piglets so quickly that the vet has to run (not walk ) for the syringe of Selenium to inject the piglets in order to rescue them from death.

Low Selenium is also a factor in the vast, unrecognized, epidemic of low thyroid disease in America. This factor amplifies the risks to an unsuspecting hypothyroid public, making them especially vulnerable to many diseases ...



One of my favorite aphorisms is "It pays to listen to a fool, 'cause he might tell you something he heard a wise man say."

Anyway. Food for thought. Use or discard as you wish.
 
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kittyknits

Veteran Member
Very interesting info on Se; stuff I never knew.

I also have read that selenium deficiency was the reason for many cystic fibrosis births in a specific area of China which had no selenium in the soil. CF is a genetic malady, but supposedly proper levels of selenium may keep that gene turned off. This is just what I remember from a while ago.
 
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vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Great post!

Question: And why are these approaches being ignored?

Answer: Because Big Pharma doesn't have any skin in this game! V
 

beowulf

Contributing Member
http://raps.org/Regulatory-Focus/Ne...Letters-to-Companies-Citing-Use-of-Pinterest/

In First, FDA Sends Warning Letters to Companies Citing Use of Pinterest Posted 24 September 2014 By Alexander Gaffney, RAC The US Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) long history of Warning Letters marked a new milestone today after regulators chided three companies, including one which marketed its product on a medium never before cited by FDA: Pinterest.BackgroundThe letters, released by FDA on 24 September 2014, follow FDA concern that some companies are marketing unproven, ineffective and potentially dangerous treatments to patients wary of the Ebola virus. Three companies—Natural Solutions Foundation of New Jersey, dōTERRA International of Utah, and Young Living of Utah—all received letters from FDA demanding they cease marketing their products using claims which might imply they could either treat Ebola or prevent patients from contracting the disease."Unfortunately, during outbreak situations, fraudulent products claiming to prevent, treat or cure a disease almost always appear," FDA said in a statement. "There are no approved treatments for Ebola available for purchase on the Internet." - See more at: http://raps.org/Regulatory-Focus/Ne...Citing-Use-of-Pinterest/#sthash.JiTY2q7Y.dpuf
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Let's have a control group of at least 60 tested, proven, Ebola-infected individuals, preferably 30 men and 30 women because Ebola does seem to have a gender bias, to test these methods on. Treat 15 of the men and 15 of the women with these methods and treat the others as they would normally be handled by traditional medicine in such a situation.

The results should prove the efficacy (or not) of both forms of treatment. And whether there is a gender bias in the outcomes as well.

Any volunteers?

If you found out you have Ebola, and you had full control over your method of treatment, knowing that under normal "West Africa" circumstances (no real treatment just keep you as comfortable as possible) you have about a 30% chance of surviving, and with the normal "treatment" so far provided to the 9 Ebola patients that have been cared for in the US (often involving Brantly's plasma), we have had 1 death...Thomas Duncan...(who did NOT get Brantly's plasma due to blood type mismatch) so we are 1 for 9 so far....an 88.8% survival rate...using current treatment methods.

Are you confident enough in the Selenium approach to choose that route instead?
 

Babs

Veteran Member
http://raps.org/Regulatory-Focus/Ne...Letters-to-Companies-Citing-Use-of-Pinterest/

In First, FDA Sends Warning Letters to Companies Citing Use of Pinterest Posted 24 September 2014 By Alexander Gaffney, RAC The US Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) long history of Warning Letters marked a new milestone today after regulators chided three companies, including one which marketed its product on a medium never before cited by FDA: Pinterest.BackgroundThe letters, released by FDA on 24 September 2014, follow FDA concern that some companies are marketing unproven, ineffective and potentially dangerous treatments to patients wary of the Ebola virus. Three companies—Natural Solutions Foundation of New Jersey, dōTERRA International of Utah, and Young Living of Utah—all received letters from FDA demanding they cease marketing their products using claims which might imply they could either treat Ebola or prevent patients from contracting the disease."Unfortunately, during outbreak situations, fraudulent products claiming to prevent, treat or cure a disease almost always appear," FDA said in a statement. "There are no approved treatments for Ebola available for purchase on the Internet." - See more at: http://raps.org/Regulatory-Focus/Ne...Citing-Use-of-Pinterest/#sthash.JiTY2q7Y.dpuf

Let me see now, if Ebola starts cranking out in the US, are they going to have enough "approved" treatments for Ebola? I think not.
I'm beginning to think that the FDA is in competition with the supplement manufacturers. What harm could possibly come from taking
some vitamins, minerals and using some oils? I wish they'd get busy with inspecting Chinese imported food or something useful.
 
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cjoi

Veteran Member
Any volunteers?


Are you confident enough in the Selenium approach to choose that route instead?


Not really much of a stretch for some, here, Kris. What you're suggesting isn't far from God's natural protocols that have already been chosen/followed by a few, over mainstream treatments for MS and cancer, that is.

So the short answer to your question is: Yes.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
If you found out you have Ebola, and you had full control over your method of treatment, knowing that under normal "West Africa" circumstances (no real treatment just keep you as comfortable as possible) you have about a 30% chance of surviving, and with the normal "treatment" so far provided to the 9 Ebola patients that have been cared for in the US (often involving Brantly's plasma), we have had 1 death...Thomas Duncan...(who did NOT get Brantly's plasma due to blood type mismatch) so we are 1 for 9 so far....an 88.8% survival rate...using current treatment methods.

Are you confident enough in the Selenium approach to choose that route instead?

Probably not. "Full control" of course means I could elect to be admitted to a hospital staffed with the trained and experienced workers and whatever medical intervention is at that time the state of the art.

The real choice is likely to be less pretty. If Ebola takes off here, a couple dozen cases will swamp our medical system. With a couple hundred cases the BSL4 safety protocols will be impossible to maintain. The first responders and interviewing doctors will have all been exposed and their numbers will be dropping. Suspect Ebola patients will be turned away from hospitals before they get in the building.

So your choice may be to either be transported in the bed of a pickup truck to the FEMA collection point or to take selenium, vitamin C, hydration mix and all this other stuff at home. Then the choice gets clearer for me. How would you handle it?
 

LilRose8

Veteran Member
Let's have a control group of at least 60 tested, proven, Ebola-infected individuals, preferably 30 men and 30 women because Ebola does seem to have a gender bias, to test these methods on. Treat 15 of the men and 15 of the women with these methods and treat the others as they would normally be handled by traditional medicine in such a situation.

The results should prove the efficacy (or not) of both forms of treatment. And whether there is a gender bias in the outcomes as well.

Any volunteers?

If you found out you have Ebola, and you had full control over your method of treatment, knowing that under normal "West Africa" circumstances (no real treatment just keep you as comfortable as possible) you have about a 30% chance of surviving, and with the normal "treatment" so far provided to the 9 Ebola patients that have been cared for in the US (often involving Brantly's plasma), we have had 1 death...Thomas Duncan...(who did NOT get Brantly's plasma due to blood type mismatch) so we are 1 for 9 so far....an 88.8% survival rate...using current treatment methods.

Are you confident enough in the Selenium approach to choose that route instead?

I think it wouldn't HURT to use selenium in safe amounts to build up your system. This might be enough to keep you out of the contagious pool. Who knows? There is a great deal of evidence to show proper nutrition can prevent disease. YMMV
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
Are you confident enough in the Selenium approach to choose that route instead?

I've read several places that the difference between surviving or dying from Ebola depends on your immune system. Ebola supposedly saps your body of vitamin c and selenium. My plan is to take these now to get the levels built up.

Who knows how this will play out in the coming months. I like having the option of having natural remedies in my possession for the what if's. Isn't that the whole point of prepping? We never know exactly how it will play out but we try to cover all the bases.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
be careful - selenium poisoning

http://northtrinitylake.com/water/SeleniumCaseStudy.pdf

Selenium Case Study: Kesterson National Wildlife Refuge

HISTORY:
The story begins in 1949 when the United States Bureau of Reclamation (USBR) recommended to congress a plan for water development in the central valley that included subsurface drainage to help head off salt buildup from intensive irrigation. The original plan was to create a large scale drainage that ultimately released the water into the San Francisco Bay. Subsurface irrigation was installed in the 1960's and the construction of the major San Luis Drain began in 1969. The drain was a canal combined with a series of reservoirs to allow for seasonal release of the drainage water in to the bay. The first of these reservoirs was Kesterson, which was actually the cumulation of 12 shallow ponds. In 1970, the 518ha Kesterson reservoir was combined with the surrounding 1872ha of grasslands to form Kesterson National Wildlife Refuge. In only two years, the funding for completion of the San Luis drain had run out, which resulted in the Kesterson NWR being the end of the line.

The main area served by this drain was the Westlands Water District which was 3240ha of agricultural land that was overlaying a shale with naturally high levels of selenium in it. The movement of the water over this shale resulted in the leaching of the Se and its movement into the San Luis drain. The continual flow of agricultural drainage water into the shallow ponds at Kesterson NWR and the subsequent evaporation resulted in high salt and Se concentrations in the ponds, sediment and adjacent soils. At this time, from 1981-1982, the Se concentrations in the water ranged from 15-400ppb. Biological surveys were conducted starting in 1982 which found that the Se was bioaccumulating in the food chain of the refuge. Everything from the invertebrates in the water to reptiles and even small mammals were found to have higher concentrations of Se in their tissue then what was present in the water, up to 370ppm in some fish species.

Field studies of the area found that the high levels of Se were causing developmental deformities in both embryos and chicks of the majority of the birds nesting at Kesterson. The deformities were present in up to 65% of the birds and consisted of missing eyes and feet, protruding brains, and deformed beaks, legs and wings. Estimates suggested that several thousand birds had been poisoned. In addition, in 1983 there was a massive fish kill followed by high numbers of still births in the mosquito fish population, which happened to be the only fish that could "survive" the seleniferious conditions.

Overall, there were several duck species, other aquatic bird species and other adult wild birds including the Black crowned night heron, whose local population was almost completely wiped out.

DEALING WITH THE SELENIUM:

The death and deformity in the wildlife at Kesterson quickly reached the media and thus the public. Several law suits were threatened based on the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) and also the Endangered Species Act (ESA). For each migratory bird death the penalty is a $500(US) fine and 6 months in jail. For each death of an endangered species (San Joaquin kit fox was threatened at Kesterson) the penalty is a fine of $10,000(US) and 12 months in jail. These suits can be brought by everyone from private citizens to regulatory authorities, and the most important thing to keep in mind is that for these acts to be enforced, the killing of the animals does not have to be intentional.

In 1986, Kesterson was removed from the wildlife refuge list and was handed over to the USBR as a contaminated site to be cleaned up. The San Luis drain was closed and all inflow of agricultural drainage water was stopped, and the ponds were drained. The initial plan of the USBR was to excavate the top .15m of soil and to contain it in a lined and capped landfill. The estimated cost of this cleanup would be $50 million (1987 dollars). However, before this plan was implemented, research was conducted that showed the formation of ephemeral pools with toxic levels of Se would continue even after the removal of the top soil. In 1988, the USBR filled the low lying pond areas with clean soil (ranging in depths from 15cm to 150cm) to help counter the formation of the toxic ephemeral pools. Unfortunately, along with the “clean” soil came at least 20 different species of weeds that are able to deep root and pull the Se up to the surface and thus, recontaminate the surface. The final decision was made to use management of the soil, water and vegetation to dissipate the Se from the environment.

The current situation at Kesterson is better, but definitely is still not good. Se bioaccumulation is still occurring, but at about 10% of the amount of Se that was being moved into the food chain by the wetland. A five year study from 1989 to 1993 found that the distribution of the Se in the soil did not change significantly and there was not an increase in the mobilization of the Se from the soil.

Even though the San Luis Drain was originally constructed for the Westland Water District, the adjacent Grasslands irrigation area never made use of the drain, and instead allowed toxic irrigation water to run into the San Luis refuge complex through natural channels and eventually into the San Joaquin River. Due to this flow, contaminated water continued to flow into Kesterson after the initial closure of the San Luis Drain.

To try to address this problem, an idea was offered that would allow the toxic drainage water to avoid the refuges and instead bypass them directly into the San Luis drain and later into the San Joaquin River. This project, called the Grasslands bypass project, is currently underway and is managed by an interagency group which includes the USBR and the USFWS along with state and local agencies. During the initial 6 months of the project, Se levels in the fish and invertebrates rose substantially in the drain area. Since then the concentrations have declined but they are still above the pre-project levels. Continual monitoring will determine if the project benefits are biologically justifiable.

For an overview of the project click here.
References:
Harris, T. Death in the Marsh. Island Press, Washington D.C. 1991.
Lemly, AD. and HM. Ohlendorf. 2002. Regulatory implications of using constructed wetlands to treat selenium laden wastewater. Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety. 52(1): 46-56.
Ohlendorf HM, Hoffman DJ, Salki MK, Aldrich TW. 1986. Embryonic mortality and abnormalities of aquatic birds: Apparent impacts of selenium from irrigation drain water. Science of the Total Environment, 52: 49–63.
Tokunaga, TK. and SM. Benson. 1992. Selenium in Kesterson Reservoir ephemeral pools formed by groundwater rise. I. A field study. Journal of Environmental Quality. 21(2): 246-251.
Wu, L., J. Chen, KK Tanji and GS Banuelos. 1995. Distribution and biomagnification of selenium in a restored upland grassland contaminated by selenium from agricultural drain water. Environmental toxicology and chemistry. 14(4):733-742.
Wu, L., A. Enberg, and KK. Tanji. 1993. Natural establishment and selenium accumulation of herbaceous plant species in soils with elevated concentrations of selenium and salinity under irrigation and tillage practices. Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety. 25: 127-140
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
Probably not. "Full control" of course means I could elect to be admitted to a hospital staffed with the trained and experienced workers and whatever medical intervention is at that time the state of the art.

The real choice is likely to be less pretty. If Ebola takes off here, a couple dozen cases will swamp our medical system. With a couple hundred cases the BSL4 safety protocols will be impossible to maintain. The first responders and interviewing doctors will have all been exposed and their numbers will be dropping. Suspect Ebola patients will be turned away from hospitals before they get in the building.

So your choice may be to either be transported in the bed of a pickup truck to the FEMA collection point or to take selenium, vitamin C, hydration mix and all this other stuff at home. Then the choice gets clearer for me. How would you handle it?

This is the most likely scenario which is why any possible home remedies are worth having on hand. We the average people are not going to get cadillac treatment anywhere.

QUESTION:

Can anyone explain ebola's "gender bias"? I have never heard of this.
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
This is my opinion only:

If a person has ebola and it is very early in the disease, your body would be using selenium up like crazy. I am basing this on that article on here somewhere which I can't find. I'm figuring I won't go into overdose under those conditions and what would it matter anyway--if it doesn't work, I would be dead in a few days from ebola.

MY OPINION ONLY:

I am not as afraid of selenium as they want us to be. I believe the RDA is too low.

Selenium is such a vital mineral and we have such soil deficiencies, that rarely are people getting enough.

I do not take ginormous amounts. I'm not a petite person and feel I need more than a 100 pound woman, yet all RDA is the same.
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
be careful - selenium poisoning

http://northtrinitylake.com/water/SeleniumCaseStudy.pdf

Selenium Case Study: Kesterson National Wildlife Refuge

HISTORY:
The story begins in 1949 when the United States Bureau of Reclamation (USBR) recommended to congress a plan for water development in the central valley that included subsurface drainage to help head off salt buildup from intensive irrigation. The original plan was to create a large scale drainage that ultimately released the water into the San Francisco Bay. Subsurface irrigation was installed in the 1960's and the construction of the major San Luis Drain began in 1969. The drain was a canal combined with a series of reservoirs to allow for seasonal release of the drainage water in to the bay. The first of these reservoirs was Kesterson, which was actually the cumulation of 12 shallow ponds. In 1970, the 518ha Kesterson reservoir was combined with the surrounding 1872ha of grasslands to form Kesterson National Wildlife Refuge. In only two years, the funding for completion of the San Luis drain had run out, which resulted in the Kesterson NWR being the end of the line.

The main area served by this drain was the Westlands Water District which was 3240ha of agricultural land that was overlaying a shale with naturally high levels of selenium in it. The movement of the water over this shale resulted in the leaching of the Se and its movement into the San Luis drain. The continual flow of agricultural drainage water into the shallow ponds at Kesterson NWR and the subsequent evaporation resulted in high salt and Se concentrations in the ponds, sediment and adjacent soils. At this time, from 1981-1982, the Se concentrations in the water ranged from 15-400ppb. Biological surveys were conducted starting in 1982 which found that the Se was bioaccumulating in the food chain of the refuge. Everything from the invertebrates in the water to reptiles and even small mammals were found to have higher concentrations of Se in their tissue then what was present in the water, up to 370ppm in some fish species.

Field studies of the area found that the high levels of Se were causing developmental deformities in both embryos and chicks of the majority of the birds nesting at Kesterson. The deformities were present in up to 65% of the birds and consisted of missing eyes and feet, protruding brains, and deformed beaks, legs and wings. Estimates suggested that several thousand birds had been poisoned. In addition, in 1983 there was a massive fish kill followed by high numbers of still births in the mosquito fish population, which happened to be the only fish that could "survive" the seleniferious conditions.

Overall, there were several duck species, other aquatic bird species and other adult wild birds including the Black crowned night heron, whose local population was almost completely wiped out.

DEALING WITH THE SELENIUM:

The death and deformity in the wildlife at Kesterson quickly reached the media and thus the public. Several law suits were threatened based on the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA) and also the Endangered Species Act (ESA). For each migratory bird death the penalty is a $500(US) fine and 6 months in jail. For each death of an endangered species (San Joaquin kit fox was threatened at Kesterson) the penalty is a fine of $10,000(US) and 12 months in jail. These suits can be brought by everyone from private citizens to regulatory authorities, and the most important thing to keep in mind is that for these acts to be enforced, the killing of the animals does not have to be intentional.

In 1986, Kesterson was removed from the wildlife refuge list and was handed over to the USBR as a contaminated site to be cleaned up. The San Luis drain was closed and all inflow of agricultural drainage water was stopped, and the ponds were drained. The initial plan of the USBR was to excavate the top .15m of soil and to contain it in a lined and capped landfill. The estimated cost of this cleanup would be $50 million (1987 dollars). However, before this plan was implemented, research was conducted that showed the formation of ephemeral pools with toxic levels of Se would continue even after the removal of the top soil. In 1988, the USBR filled the low lying pond areas with clean soil (ranging in depths from 15cm to 150cm) to help counter the formation of the toxic ephemeral pools. Unfortunately, along with the “clean” soil came at least 20 different species of weeds that are able to deep root and pull the Se up to the surface and thus, recontaminate the surface. The final decision was made to use management of the soil, water and vegetation to dissipate the Se from the environment.

The current situation at Kesterson is better, but definitely is still not good. Se bioaccumulation is still occurring, but at about 10% of the amount of Se that was being moved into the food chain by the wetland. A five year study from 1989 to 1993 found that the distribution of the Se in the soil did not change significantly and there was not an increase in the mobilization of the Se from the soil.

Even though the San Luis Drain was originally constructed for the Westland Water District, the adjacent Grasslands irrigation area never made use of the drain, and instead allowed toxic irrigation water to run into the San Luis refuge complex through natural channels and eventually into the San Joaquin River. Due to this flow, contaminated water continued to flow into Kesterson after the initial closure of the San Luis Drain.

To try to address this problem, an idea was offered that would allow the toxic drainage water to avoid the refuges and instead bypass them directly into the San Luis drain and later into the San Joaquin River. This project, called the Grasslands bypass project, is currently underway and is managed by an interagency group which includes the USBR and the USFWS along with state and local agencies. During the initial 6 months of the project, Se levels in the fish and invertebrates rose substantially in the drain area. Since then the concentrations have declined but they are still above the pre-project levels. Continual monitoring will determine if the project benefits are biologically justifiable.

For an overview of the project click here.
References:
Harris, T. Death in the Marsh. Island Press, Washington D.C. 1991.
Lemly, AD. and HM. Ohlendorf. 2002. Regulatory implications of using constructed wetlands to treat selenium laden wastewater. Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety. 52(1): 46-56.
Ohlendorf HM, Hoffman DJ, Salki MK, Aldrich TW. 1986. Embryonic mortality and abnormalities of aquatic birds: Apparent impacts of selenium from irrigation drain water. Science of the Total Environment, 52: 49–63.
Tokunaga, TK. and SM. Benson. 1992. Selenium in Kesterson Reservoir ephemeral pools formed by groundwater rise. I. A field study. Journal of Environmental Quality. 21(2): 246-251.
Wu, L., J. Chen, KK Tanji and GS Banuelos. 1995. Distribution and biomagnification of selenium in a restored upland grassland contaminated by selenium from agricultural drain water. Environmental toxicology and chemistry. 14(4):733-742.
Wu, L., A. Enberg, and KK. Tanji. 1993. Natural establishment and selenium accumulation of herbaceous plant species in soils with elevated concentrations of selenium and salinity under irrigation and tillage practices. Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety. 25: 127-140

A few Brazil nut a day when feeling something coming on should be enough selenium I would think.
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
A few Brazil nut a day when feeling something coming on should be enough selenium I would think.


The amount of selenium in that Brazil nut is totally dependent on the amount present in the soil in which it was grown. Have some tested. I bet there's very little due to soil depletion in other countries from agricultural methods.

Commercially grown plants are very depleted in mineral content. One big reason for our chronic health problems.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Without a real test it is as useful as going to the local witch doctor. Ill take the tested path.

You have based your LIFE OR DEATH DECISION on utter, willful IGNORANCE of the subject, calling the suggested methods of home care "witchcraft".

As some say, "STUPID SHOULD HURT".

You haven't even seemed to grasp that YOU WON'T GET THE ADVANCED HOSPITAL MEDICAL CARE THAT THE FEW AMERICAN EBOLA PATIENTS ARE NOW GETTING after America gets beyond a relative handful (comparatively speaking) of Ebola patients!!

IF YOU WANT TO LIVE, You cannot be lazy and NOT BOTHER researching and reading up on which "bridges are out" on the road you plan to take to escape death.

For example, DID YOU KNOW THERE IS, in America, RIGHT NOW, ALREADY A SHORTAGE OF "INTRAVENOUS normal saline" which is the most fundamental difference and advantage over home care that hospitals offer to Ebola patients??

There are countless other erroneous assumptions you make about other "bridges to your survival" under government "case management" policy, if Ebola became Epidemic here.

OTHER HOT ZONE NATIONS, where the epidemic has exceeded the capacity to MEDICALLY TREAT ALL THE EBOLA INFECTED, HAVE (in desperation) ISSUED "HOME TREATMENT KITS".

When and if it gets that bad HERE, MAYBE THEN you will remember WHAT WE TOLD YOU you should have IN ADDITION TO THAT GOVERNMENT "KIT"( if you are lucky, your "government issued"" home care "comfort kit" will only have a couple pairs of gloves, tylenol, a bar of soap, maybe an n95 mask, and a bag of rehydration salts to add to water, and some clorox!)
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
I read they think it hits women harder because they are the ones that try to nurse their family when they get ebola. Men aren't nearly as nurturing.

This is why I don't hold to people coming to hard and fast judgements in terms of what they will do when/if it hit's their loved ones. None of us knows because at this point the health care system is holding. If it becomes clear that our healthcare system cannot deal with all of this... ?
 

rosepath

Member
Not only baby pigs can get White Muscle Disease; I feed wheat in with my regular ground feed to the sheep and other livestock to prevent it, as our area is very low in selenium. As I recall, the wheat provides selenium and Vitamin E, both necessary to prevent WMDisease.
 

Nancy B

Happiness Is A Choice
Are Brazil nuts irradiated, as so many other nuts are? If so, does that affect the selenium amounts in them?
 

2Trish

Veteran Member
Someone posted on a thread recently a long list of just about everything you could take to prevent and help overcome ebola. I have looked at every thread and done a search on a few key words but I cannot find it. Does anyone remember which thread it was on? I wanted to print it.
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
Someone posted on a thread recently a long list of just about everything you could take to prevent and help overcome ebola. I have looked at every thread and done a search on a few key words but I cannot find it. Does anyone remember which thread it was on? I wanted to print it.

Is it one of these?
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?457094-Home-Solutions-for-Ebola

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?455974-EBOLA-PREPS-TO-GET-NOW-!!!

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...hydration-solution-or-electrolyte-replacement
 
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cjoi

Veteran Member
With respect to Se (Selenium) rather than elemental supplements it is far safer to use plant sources, such as the Selenium-rich yeast mentioned in O/P, or garlic, OR the very best source IMHO is Brazil Nuts which are the richest plant source of bio-available Se.

. . . microgram restrictions on RDA of elemental Selenium do NOT apply to food sources such as Brazil Nuts. Keep in mind that in Brazil, the oil is pressed from the nuts and both the resulting Brazil Nut flour and the oil are cooking staples, resulting in safe consumption of very high amounts of bio-available Selenium.

One of my favorite aphorisms is "It pays to listen to a fool, 'cause he might tell you something he heard a wise man say."

Be careful of a selenium overdose.

It bears repeating that elemental selenium can be toxic.

HOWEVER, SELENIUM THAT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED IN A PLANT SUCH AS GARLIC, MUSHROOMS, OR BRAZIL NUTS, OR EVEN SELENIUM RICH YEAST (not technically a plant, ) is well tolerated in humans.

To Wit: BRAZIL NUTS, BRAZIL NUT FLOUR, AND BRAZIL NUT OIL, ARE DIETARY STAPLES ( CONSUMED IN HIGH AMOUNTS, BY MUCH OF THE POPULATION ) IN BRAZIL AND THE DEFECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE KESTERSON SELENIUM TOXICITY SCENARIO CITED ABOVE - OR OTHER ELEMENTAL SELENIUM SUPPLEMENTATION- DO NOT OBTAIN!

AGAIN, IF THE SELENIUM WAS NATURALLY UP-TAKEN BY THE PLANT BEFORE BEING INGESTED BY HUMANS IT IS NOT HARMFUL AND THE RDA LIMITS DO NOT APPLY.

This information is so significant that it merits all caps, imho.
 
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