Instead of just standing around complaining, find electable Conservative candidates.

Troke

On TB every waking moment
http://washingtonexaminer.com/noemi..._campaign=Washington Examiner: Opinion Digest

At CPAC last week we noticed Rick Perry saying the Republicans lost in 2012 because their nominee wasn't conservative, which one must say was quite rich. And why was the nominee not a conservative? Perhaps because Perry failed.

He came into the primaries a governor of a large state, with an excellent record, a "big" personality, a reputation as a ferocious campaigner, and for some reason bombed quickly, leaving Mitt Romney the last sane man standing in a field of conservatives whose credentials were lacking and whose personalities verged on bizarre.

We heard Phyllis Schlafly, all but unchanged since her Goldwater moment, rip the wicked establishment figures who burdened her cause with what she calls losers, such as Romney, Bob Dole and John McCain. Well, they did lose (though not nearly as badly as Goldwater), but she never mentioned all the conservative duds who lost to them, much less all the appealing conservative figures who ought to have won in their place. This is because between Ronald Reagan (and Jack Kemp) and the new generation of Scott Walker and Marco Rubio, there were no appealing conservative figures, or none who could win on the national scene.

Instead, against establishment types who were national figures, the conservative movement flung preachers and pundits (Pat Robertson, Alan Keyes and Pat Buchanan), has-beens and losers (New Gingrich and Rick Santorum), and others still worse (Herman Cain, for example), who on second thought lost even conservative primary voters.

To deny all this reality, some movement types invented a conspiracy theory. The Establishment met at the Country Club on alternate Tuesdays to undermine all the upcoming Reagans (who sadly enough never existed). This is untrue, and it keeps these movement types from facing the real problem -- the failure of the conservative movement to find and develop successors to Reagan over the space of the past 20 years.

Perhaps Reagan's two wins over Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale made it seem almost too easy, convincing his fans that any conviction conservative can beat any rival going away. In retrospect, it may have been more accurate to say that a conviction conservative can beat any rival when he is the successful governor of one of the biggest states; a former film star with his own fame and stage presence; an ex-liberal who voted four times for Franklin Roosevelt and had an instinctive gift for connecting with Democrats; and running against a president with one of the worst first terms in history, featuring an economic crash, a rabbit attack and Iranian seizure of an American embassy.

When things worked less well for conservatives who lacked Reagan's luck and his genius, they decided their failure was explainable only by sabotage -- after all, how else could they lose? On the way, the Right developed a sense of entitlement (the Republican Party owed them a nominee of their liking); an embrace of victimhood; a habit of translating their tactical failure to win over more voters into a moral failure on the part of those voters for not sensing their value; and a belief that they can manage to win more elections by purging all factions (and people) not wholly in sync with their views.

This isn't the outlook with which Reagan won landslides. The GOP owes conservatives nothing beyond a chance and a hearing. The onus is on them to win over the voters. They are victims of nothing beyond their own much-too-high self-esteem.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Heres what GOP Chairman has to say about this:

Growing Pains

By Michael Scherer; Zeke Miller Monday, Apr. 01, 2013

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Republican party boss Reince Priebus, a pin-striped lawyer from Wisconsin, recently let slip that he wanted a date with Whoopi Goldberg and her friends. "We have to stop divorcing ourselves from the American culture," he explained on March 18 as he laid out his plan to rebuild the party after its 2012 election defeat. "Maybe that might mean I could get an invitation with the ladies of The View. We'll see."

Most party chairmen try to avoid the headlines. But in recent weeks, Priebus has adopted a pose of brutal candor, trying to stir up his party with dire predictions and frank language. "Our message was weak. Our ground game was insufficient. We weren't inclusive. We were behind in both data and digital. Our primary and debate process needed improvement," he said, diagnosing all that went wrong in last year's campaign. "There's no one solution," Priebus continued. "There's a long list of them."

The solutions Priebus proposed include an overhaul not just of campaign mechanics but also the basic DNA that has helped to define the party of Reagan, Bush and Romney over three decades. Stop attacking popular culture, and start becoming a part of it, he says. Open a party office near San Francisco to attract high-tech hipsters. Cut the number of primary debates in half. Spend $10 million a year to send full-time organizers into minority communities. Dump or moderate the policy positions that are turning off the next generation of voters.

"We must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform," one part of the Priebus report urges, contradicting the official 2012 party platform, which opposes "any form of amnesty" for the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.: "If we do not, our party's appeal will continue to shrink." It also recommends opening a debate within the party over opposition to gay marriage. "For many younger voters, these issues are a gateway into whether the party is a place they want to be," says the report. For Priebus, the new watchword must be inclusiveness: "Our 80% friend is not our 20% enemy."

Ari Fleischer, a former aide to President George W. Bush who worked with Priebus on the report, says he hopes the party takes these messages to heart and revises its philosophy. Otherwise, he says, "It is a very bleak picture for Republicans." Already, he notes, the current GOP message of small government and low taxes is not enough to attract more than minimal interest among minorities and the young. "Devastatingly, we have lost the ability to be persuasive," he says.

Since November, Priebus, Fleischer and others have canvassed more than 50,000 people, including much of the Republican establishment. Focus groups of former Republican voters in Ohio and Iowa evinced descriptions of the GOP like "scary," "narrow-minded," "stuffy old men" and "out of touch." Even the party's campaign managers and operatives were nearly unanimous in crediting Democrats with running better campaigns in almost all respects: data, voter targeting, outreach, turnout, online fundraising, ad placement and campaign talent.

In Brooklyn, conservative black clergy told Priebus about the harm done by Republican efforts to cleanse voter rolls. In Denver, Hispanic Republicans talked about the pain caused by Mitt Romney's promise of "self-deportation." In California, Priebus met with an elected Asian-American Republican who regularly sees 10 Democrats at community events she attends alone. Even the donors were restless. "Look, you are young. You are smart. If you want a job, I'll give you a job down the hallway," Priebus remembers a major Republican donor in New York City telling him in December. "But here's the deal. If you are not going to be big and bold, don't waste my time. Don't waste your kids' time. Don't waste your wife's time."

Republican leaders say they like the proposed changes. House Speaker John Boehner and majority leader Eric Cantor have embraced the report; so has former House Speaker and occasional presidential candidate Newt Gingrich. The question now is whether the conservative base of the party is willing to come along for a big and bold ride. Some of the immediate reviews are not so positive. John Tate, the 2012 campaign manager for Ron Paul, said the Priebus plans to shorten the primary process and move away from caucuses could tilt the playing field to well-funded establishment candidates. "They are recommending doing exactly the opposite of what they should be doing to reactivate the grassroots and increase the base of the party," he said.

Priebus made his proposals at the very moment when the uncompromising guardians of the party's right wing had gathered outside of Washington to bash the capital's consultant class--that collection of professional campaign technicians who know winning in presidential elections means keeping the party from veering too far to the right. "Stop listening to the professional politicians and consultants most responsible for those political train wrecks," warned longtime activist L. Brent Bozell III in a typical turn that garnered huge applause. Other mainstays of social conservatism, like the Eagle Forum's Phyllis Schlafly and Faith and Freedom Coalition chairman Ralph Reed, warn that they will fight any effort to change the party's approach to gay marriage. "If someone tries," warns Reed, "they're going to have to get through me." Says Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council: "Obviously the RNC report was designed to pander to the GOP's wealthy elites."

Back at his office two blocks from the U.S. Capitol, Priebus sounds no less determined as he sits before a color-coded congressional map of the country, still mostly red, despite the fact that House Democratic candidates attracted about 1.4 million more votes in 2012 than Republicans did. "I am not going to sit here," he says, "and grind away as chairman of the party and do the same old thing that has always been done."


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2139174,00.html
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It reminds me - who can make war with the Beast?

I see no one out there that can change things. They are all one in the same when you really look. It took them years to get in position while telling the public all was smelling like roses when it was actually a dung heal. The public still only smell roses while standing in the mist of the dung.

Try telling the man on the street what is really happening and they look at you like you have two heads and three eyes. People don't want to believe we are going down, it would burst their bubble.

The good ones, or ones we thought were good, have been bought, threatened or know something very evil comes and have been promised safety underground when it comes.

Who do you see in the future that can make war with the beast?
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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The fundamental problem is the candidates themselves, and the strategy they seem to have adopted to attempt getting elected. There was a thread on the forum a couple weeks ago where the candidate (would be a presidential candidate whose name escapes me at the moment) was going to adopt the "Romney style" of campaign. That is to run far right for the primary, then "switch" to center-left for the general. That this is a losing strategy was made manifest by Romney himself. No matter WHO runs or for which office, if the candidates use that strategy they will NEVER WIN AN ELECTION. And that's because the real conservatives in this country see it for the phoniness that it is.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
The fundamental problem is the candidates themselves, and the strategy they seem to have adopted to attempt getting elected. There was a thread on the forum a couple weeks ago where the candidate (would be a presidential candidate whose name escapes me at the moment) was going to adopt the "Romney style" of campaign. That is to run far right for the primary, then "switch" to center-left for the general. That this is a losing strategy was made manifest by Romney himself. No matter WHO runs or for which office, if the candidates use that strategy they will NEVER WIN AN ELECTION. And that's because the real conservatives in this country see it for the phoniness that it is.


So they stand there and let somebody from the Far Left win the election? Does not sound too smart to me.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Troke, I don't think you'd know "smart" if it jumped up and bit you on the ass these days. You are the quintessential mouthpiece for the status quo. The "tried and true" way WILL NEVER WORK AGAIN. and you certainly have no fresh ideas, instead just constantly bitching and whining about the GOP and how they're doomed. You're back to doing the exact same sh*t you did before your little hiatus. And I'm going to start moving your political dreck to POL SIG.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
From your various reactions, I am beginning to suspect I am hitting close to home. O is in office because a lot of people did just what you suggested. Not vote for Romney.

Now we got O. Thanks alot. Gonna be tough to convince me that Romney would have been as bad or worse.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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No one will ever convince YOU of anything. You are evidently incapable of independent political thought. Total waste of time.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Can't say enough for writing letters to the editor and about electing people that have no loyalties to a political party and have no law degree and you have to quiz them on these points, the two party system is longer the way to go as these people are carefully cherry picked and then groomed for the job a year or two in advance.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Well, Reagan would never make it..flip-flopper..from Demo party to the GOP...obviously lacked purity. What we need is somebody who stands behind his principles...all the way.

Know anybody like that that could win an election?
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
I no longer believe we have free elections. The system is rigged which is why the republicans appear impotent. The whole process is just a dog and pony show to make everyone thing they had a choice in the matter.

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)

Stalin may or may not have said this, possibly he was referencing another countries electoral process but none-the-less the sentiment still holds true.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I no longer believe we have free elections. The system is rigged which is why the republicans appear impotent. The whole process is just a dog and pony show to make everyone thing they had a choice in the matter.

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." (Josef Stalin)

Stalin may or may not have said this, possibly he was referencing another countries electoral process but none-the-less the sentiment still holds true.

He said it and as I have constantly ranted, the only way a Conservative can win is by a landslide. Anything else and it will stolen, the Al Francken debacle in Minn the best obvious example.
 
As long as the progressive-socialists are in control of the election machine, no fair elections are possible. Our problems will not be solved in the voting booth. JMHO.
 

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
"Electable"... The very expression is bitter to my conscience. I immediately envision a fancy feast, laced with arsenic. The bitter cup we have before us now will help us hastily devour that feast without question.
 

Masterchief117

I'm all about the doom
I think what Troke can't understand is: 1) We don't have "free and fair" elections anymore and 2) The candidates that vie for the top level positions have sold their souls to the devil in order to have that POWER over the rest of us. They say all of the right things but their actions in office say something totally different. So, "voting 'em out" seems like it should work, and in the past it might have, but under the current paradigm it won't work, as both parties and candidates just take different paths to the same goal, which is complete control, power and wealth.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Masterchief, you are correct. that and I think he's so "old school" that he actually believes there's a difference between R's and D's. Pitiful, really...
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
And what you folks don't understand is that you can take back the country any damned time you want. But sitting around and whining ain't gonna cut it. You are going to have to work at it starting at the bottom, the local level, and understand we are in for the long pull. Just one example; I don't know many people I have heard complain; I helped the Tea Party win in 2010 and nothing happened.

What a pack of maroons (Bugs Bunnyspeak for moron) The Cultural Left took about four generations to get where they are and these people think they are going to turn it around in one off-year election?

Gee.

If you can't lead or follow, then stay out of the way and shut up about there is no chance to change things.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
Well, Reagan would never make it..flip-flopper..from Demo party to the GOP...obviously lacked purity. What we need is somebody who stands behind his principles...all the way.

Know anybody like that that could win an election?

Reagan could not win the nomination in today's GOP. The GOP rules have been structured so that the GOP leadership and the biggest donors (the banks) decide who gets the nomination.

The GOP no longer stands for conservatives. It stands only for Rockefeller Republicans.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Let me adjust the title for you Troke.

Instead of just standing around and complaining, run for office yourself and fix what's broken.

Expecting others to do the job when you're too lazy/busy/tired/etc., is not how this nation was founded. Every day people such as you and me had to roll up their sleeves and get dirty, and I'd suggest that the government was originally everyday people such as you and me, not some silver spoon millionaire who's never done a day's work in his/her life. Of. By. For.

Expecting someone else to fix this is a good portion of how we got where we are today. You don't have to run for office, you can write letters to the editor, make you tube videos, start a blogspot talk show, make a newsletter for local distribution, buy a case of Constitution booklets and hand them out. There are a lot of things you can do at the local level to educate the people in your county and then approach the county commissioners with ordinances or educational material on say, Agenda 21, NDAA, Smart Meters, etc. God said "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Think about that one.
 
Genesis Chapter 18+
1And the Lord appeared to him by the oaksa of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. 2He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth 3and said, “O Lord,b if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant. 4Let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree, 5while I bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh yourselves, and after that you may pass on—since you have come to your servant.” So they said, “Do as you have said.” 6And Abraham went quickly into the tent to Sarah and said, “Quick! Three seahsc of fine flour! Knead it, and make cakes.” 7And Abraham ran to the herd and took a calf, tender and good, and gave it to a young man, who prepared it quickly. 8Then he took curds and milk and the calf that he had prepared, and set it before them. And he stood by them under the tree while they ate.

9They said to him, “Where is Sarah your wife?” And he said, “She is in the tent.” 10The Lord said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife shall have a son.” And Sarah was listening at the tent door behind him. 11Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years. The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah. 12So Sarah laughed to herself, saying, “After I am worn out, and my lord is old, shall I have pleasure?” 13The Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Shall I indeed bear a child, now that I am old?’ 14Is anything too hardd for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, about this time next year, and Sarah shall have a son.” 15But Sarah denied it,e saying, “I did not laugh,” for she was afraid. He said, “No, but you did laugh.”

16Then the men set out from there, and they looked down toward Sodom. And Abraham went with them to set them on their way. 17The Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do, 18seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19For I have chosenf him, that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing righteousness and justice, so that the Lord may bring to Abraham what he has promised him.” 20Then the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is very grave, 21I will go down to see whether they have done altogetherg according to the outcry that has come to me. And if not, I will know.”
Abraham Intercedes for Sodom

22So the men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23Then Abraham drew near and said, “Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city. Will you then sweep away the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous who are in it? 25Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” 26And the Lord said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

27Abraham answered and said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. 28Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking. Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?” And he said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” 29Again he spoke to him and said, “Suppose forty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of forty I will not do it.” 30Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak. Suppose thirty are found there.” He answered, “I will not do it, if I find thirty there.” 31He said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.” 32Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.” 33And the Lord went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place."
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I don't think anything has changed much. There are still Righteous among us so I am hoping some will stand up and be humble,accountable,worthy, etc.
~MCA
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
Reagan could not win the nomination in today's GOP. The GOP rules have been structured so that the GOP leadership and the biggest donors (the banks) decide who gets the nomination.

The GOP no longer stands for conservatives. It stands only for Rockefeller Republicans.


^ THIS!!!
 
Masterchief, you are correct. that and I think he's so "old school" that he actually believes there's a difference between R's and D's. Pitiful, really...
Mostly the lot is the same.
A power struggle, Ego Boost, etc. is taking place on Penn. Ave. and other places I suppose.

Wonders never cease.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
No amount of activism or campaigning is going to change anything. That system ended a long time ago, perhaps even back when JFK was killed. Since then there has been some sort of manipulation of elections. Now they are completely manipulated.

No, this problem can't be fixed at the polls anymore, this problem is going to require much more radical means to resolve.
 
No amount of activism or campaigning is going to change anything. That system ended a long time ago, perhaps even back when JFK was killed. Since then there has been some sort of manipulation of elections. Now they are completely manipulated.

No, this problem can't be fixed at the polls anymore, this problem is going to require much more radical means to resolve.
That is what TPTB are waiting on and 'Wiers Gorgan' and communist News Network+ is using every stick in the fire to push some issues,jmo.
MCA
PS. NYC is fixing to be Privately Owned if not already. Gold Bug is buying with somebody's $$$$. Arabs? Chinese? Russians? All the above?
 
SAUD 2011

The last paragraph that I can read without searching out the article in it's entirety is what caught my attention. I cannot copy & paste the paragraph.Goes something like "We will be consulting around the world with Partners and friends about how to send a strong 'message'? (Message to the USA that is)-worth a read if interested at link below.
Hillery is talking about Iran.
http://www.thenewstribe.com/2011/10/12/conspiracy-to-assassinate-envoy-condemnable/
 

Be Well

may all be well
As long as the progressive-socialists are in control of the election machine, no fair elections are possible. Our problems will not be solved in the voting booth. JMHO.

Yes. And as long as R elitist/liberals/self serving/riding the gravy train until the wheels fall off/married to the status quo Rs are in charge of the R party which means $ and ads and control. They're more than half the problem.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Let me adjust the title for you Troke.

Instead of just standing around and complaining, run for office yourself and fix what's broken.

Expecting others to do the job when you're too lazy/busy/tired/etc., is not how this nation was founded. Every day people such as you and me had to roll up their sleeves and get dirty, and I'd suggest that the government was originally everyday people such as you and me, not some silver spoon millionaire who's never done a day's work in his/her life. Of. By. For.

Expecting someone else to fix this is a good portion of how we got where we are today. You don't have to run for office, you can write letters to the editor, make you tube videos, start a blogspot talk show, make a newsletter for local distribution, buy a case of Constitution booklets and hand them out. There are a lot of things you can do at the local level to educate the people in your county and then approach the county commissioners with ordinances or educational material on say, Agenda 21, NDAA, Smart Meters, etc. God said "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Think about that one.

Sonny(?) I am old enough to remember when the Brits were chasing the Bismarck. Ain't likely anybody will vote for somebody that looks like their grt-grandfather, particularly when he owns neither iphone or ipad. But the newspaper editors know who I am and sometimes even publish a letter if there is not too much frothing at the keyboard in it..

As for my family, I had two members pretty active in the last election, pounding the sidewalks going from door to door.

Now, I will lay one on many of you folks that you are not going to like. I think it is starting to seep in that you botched it Big Time in the last election, that it might have been possible to toss out Obama and his minions but instead you preferred to stand around navel gazing. Now it too late, we got him and we are going to have expend gobs of political energy just to keep the (gag) status quo. Consequently to cover yourself, you take the philosophical position that nothing could have been done.

My response to that is Bullsh*t!

My position was known from Day One. I wanted O out and I didn't give a damn who replaced him because they could not be worse (O had four years to set things up and now has four years to complete his work) and might be better. If for no other reason that it would take him four years to organize. And then we could throw him out.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
From your various reactions, I am beginning to suspect I am hitting close to home. O is in office because a lot of people did just what you suggested. Not vote for Romney.

Now we got O. Thanks alot. Gonna be tough to convince me that Romney would have been as bad or worse.

...that, and a lot of votes from Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Groucho Marx (and all his brothers) a few dead people, multiple votes and a bunch of pets.

I'm with Mongo. Nothing is going to change anymore without going 1776 on it. There is no such thing as a "conservative canditate". If they are in politics, they are in it for themselves and if their mouth is moving, they are lying. No matter how "noble" they fool the suckers otherwise.
 

Be Well

may all be well
I wanted O out and I didn't give a damn who replaced him because they could not be worse (O had four years to set things up and now has four years to complete his work) and might be better. If for no other reason that it would take him four years to organize. And then we could throw him out.

Troke, there was such massive voter fraud that Romeny could not have won, no matter what. You know what they do in Multnomah Cnty, OR? Where Portland is? They "tally" up their votes after the rest of the state, so they can add in however many they need for various races to insure Dem wins. Voting doesn't matter any more because of concerted, massive fraud. George Washington himself could have showed up and run for President, and he would have "lost".
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
No amount of activism or campaigning is going to change anything. That system ended a long time ago, perhaps even back when JFK was killed. Since then there has been some sort of manipulation of elections. Now they are completely manipulated.

No, this problem can't be fixed at the polls anymore, this problem is going to require much more radical means to resolve.
It can't at the higher levels but at the city/county level there is a lot you can do. Run for city council, mayor, county commissioner, sheriff. If you can get a strong line at the local levels they can prevent a lot of the coming chaos from taking out your area as you'll be a type of 'militia' within your boundaries. A lot of people at those levels are working to protect what they have and restate their rights. It has got to begin somewhere, and there are many millions of "Tea Party" type patriots out there just waiting for answers on how to fix what they can. Some are now acting on info they have. You can't just give up.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Troke, there was such massive voter fraud that Romeny could not have won, no matter what. You know what they do in Multnomah Cnty, OR? Where Portland is? They "tally" up their votes after the rest of the state, so they can add in however many they need for various races to insure Dem wins. Voting doesn't matter any more because of concerted, massive fraud. George Washington himself could have showed up and run for President, and he would have "lost".

One more time, it has to be a landslide like 1936, so big it even startled the SCOTUS. Anything short of that and it will be stolen unless people have started at the bottom and worked up is to stop just such shenanigans. Like I said, gonna take a long time.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Mitt didn't want the job. It was obvious during the debate. He could have stood against Obama and called him out time after time and he let it slide.

After it was all said and done even his son came out with a statement how Mitt didn't want the job.

He placed it all right in Obama's hands. That to me says he is a traitor too.
 

Be Well

may all be well
One more time, it has to be a landslide like 1936, so big it even startled the SCOTUS. Anything short of that and it will be stolen unless people have started at the bottom and worked up is to stop just such shenanigans. Like I said, gonna take a long time.

I think collapse will hasten the process.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Sonny(?) I am old enough to remember when the Brits were chasing the Bismarck. Ain't likely anybody will vote for somebody that looks like their grt-grandfather, particularly when he owns neither iphone or ipad. But the newspaper editors know who I am and sometimes even publish a letter if there is not too much frothing at the keyboard in it..

As for my family, I had two members pretty active in the last election, pounding the sidewalks going from door to door.

Now, I will lay one on many of you folks that you are not going to like. I think it is starting to seep in that you botched it Big Time in the last election, that it might have been possible to toss out Obama and his minions but instead you preferred to stand around navel gazing. Now it too late, we got him and we are going to have expend gobs of political energy just to keep the (gag) status quo. Consequently to cover yourself, you take the philosophical position that nothing could have been done.

My response to that is Bullsh*t!

My position was known from Day One. I wanted O out and I didn't give a damn who replaced him because they could not be worse (O had four years to set things up and now has four years to complete his work) and might be better. If for no other reason that it would take him four years to organize. And then we could throw him out.

:applaud::applaud::applaud:
Well said.

What is apparent is that most folks here are so ethnocentric they haven't yet realized that we are the minority in this country. Patriotic, very conservative people just don't make up the majority in this country anymore.
So, because we can't find a condidate that meets every single, or even most of the conservative requirements we want, we take our ball and go home, or vote for a candidate who will get slightly more votes than Mickey Mouse. Then when the ultra lib wins another election we complain how our vote wouldn't have made any difference anyway.

Troke, many of the posters are too young to realize how the left made all its gains and got to where they are today. It didn't happen overnight. It took decades and not just two or three of them. They voted incrementally. They voted constantly for the candidates who were just a little more liberal or left of the other one, but was still electable. They didn't pout and take their ball and go home and not vote because their candidate got dissed in a primary.
As a result, over the last 60 years we have seen the line that marks center shift more and more to the left, until today we have an extreme leftist as president. He would have been laughed off the stage 40 years ago.

To those who say, you can't have a fair election, "There's voter fraud", get a clue. There is always voter fraud. You have to make sure you have just as much or more "voter fraud" for your candidate than the other side has for theirs. Again, this childlike idea of moral purity, "My God, they cheated" is laughable. Elections in this country have always been that way.

The fact is, too many people just couldn't get excited enough to get off their asses and go vote for the candidate who had the best chance to beat Obama. Instead they sat home in their sanctimonious purity and insured 4 more years of Obama, or they voted for someone they knew didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning, so they could feel good about themselves. Either way, Obama wins.
Bottom line, Obama winning or losing wasn't what was important to those people. It was all about them. They wanted to feel good and pure.

To those who still insist there is no chance of changing things through an election, I say, "Why are you still sitting around on your asses???"
What line have they not yet crossed before you swap the ammo box for the ballot box? If you really believed that elections don't count, that is what you WOULD do, but the truth is that "elections won't work" is just a convenient excuse to rationalize Obama's political victory and justify not voting or "voting your pure political ideas".

Oh, and Troke is right. If we are ever again going to win a national election we are going to have to have a landslide. The Republican party apparatus is archaic compared to the well oiled dem party machine. There is no comparison between the two parties in the areas of data analytics and targeted voter contact and feet on the street. The repubs were clearly outclassed in these areas in 08 and even more so in 2012. We had a chance in 2012 but blew it. The numbers of government supported gibsmedats are increasing every day. To win in 2016 will require a turnaround so great that it will truly require miracles in a dozen different areas.

That will start with a candidate who is conservative yet still electable and not stupid enough to shoot his own self in the foot a dozen times with stupid off the cuff remarks.
As Troke asked, "Anybody know of one???" I don't.
 
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TerryK

TB Fanatic
I think collapse will hasten the process.

Yeah, sorry to disappoint you, but it will only hasten the path to dictatorship and a lot of bloody purges. Then in 3 or 4 generations and spilling a lot of blood, we might get rid of the dictatorship, maybe.

The financial difficulties that are coming will only serve to strengthen an already thuggish and too powerful government.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
It can't at the higher levels but at the city/county level there is a lot you can do. Run for city council, mayor, county commissioner, sheriff. If you can get a strong line at the local levels they can prevent a lot of the coming chaos from taking out your area as you'll be a type of 'militia' within your boundaries. A lot of people at those levels are working to protect what they have and restate their rights. It has got to begin somewhere, and there are many millions of "Tea Party" type patriots out there just waiting for answers on how to fix what they can. Some are now acting on info they have. You can't just give up.

Flipper you are assuming that the normal average American dislikes and mistrusts the government as much as we do. The fact is that roughly half the country voted for and supports Obama. It's hard for me and many of us on this board to accept because we tend to associate and be friendly with mostly those who think like us.
We transfer our beliefs to the general population It's called ethnocentrism.
Fact is, the country has just as many people who support the nanny style government as oppose it. We're pretty evenly split in this country and currently the balance is still shifting to the left.
That is not a good omen.
 

Watchman2

Veteran Member
Troke, you are dead wrong. Try to vote someone off of the street into a high level, ei, congressman or senate position. It will not happen, or if it does, and they do not comply to the buy outs, they die.

The NWO crap is down to the county and township levels and has been for a very long time. just reference building codes, community planning, etc.

Furthermore, to contact any so called representative other than someone whom you can visit with in their own living room will NOT get you any satisfaction whatsoever, and yes I talk from experience.

This does not even begin to address the fact that even if your local reps actually get something done on the local/state level that it won't find its way into a paid for judge when it comes time to legally defend a constitutional law. In other words, you can have all the great legislators, and laws in place, but when the judicial system is bought and paid for, you are in trouble.

We are in trouble.

W2



And what you folks don't understand is that you can take back the country any damned time you want. But sitting around and whining ain't gonna cut it. You are going to have to work at it starting at the bottom, the local level, and understand we are in for the long pull. Just one example; I don't know many people I have heard complain; I helped the Tea Party win in 2010 and nothing happened.

What a pack of maroons (Bugs Bunnyspeak for moron) The Cultural Left took about four generations to get where they are and these people think they are going to turn it around in one off-year election?

Gee.

If you can't lead or follow, then stay out of the way and shut up about there is no chance to change things.
 
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