HEALTH Influenza and Influenza-like-illness activity is now an epidemic; how bad will it be?

Broccoli

Contributing Member
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...1/02/flu-season-update-as-year-ends/21077975/

Flu outbreak is now an epidemic; how bad will it be?

The flu is now so widespread across the USA that it's officially considered an epidemic by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but it's too soon to tell how particularly bad it will be, says Michael Jhung, a medical officer with the CDC's influenza division.

What is clear is that the most common strain of flu this season, H3N2, is not a good match for the strains covered by the current vaccine, although the vaccine should still provide some protection, Jhung says.

There are large numbers of people sick with the flu across 36 states, and the disease has been responsible for the deaths of at least 15 children so far this season, most in Texas, Minnesota, Ohio, Florida and California.

Walgreens, which tracks prescriptions for antiviral medications, reports that the top areas for flu this week are Paducah, Ky.; Cape Girardeau, Mo.; Harrisburg, Ill.; Dallas-Fort Worth; Austin; Chattanooga, Knoxville and Nashville, Tenn.; the Tri-Cities region of Kingsport, Johnson City and Bristol in Tennessee and Virginia; Columbia, S.C.; Oklahoma City.; and Rockford, Ill.

Major drug chains have reported some spotty outages of antivirals, including Tamiflu, although manufacturers have assured the CDC that they have produced enough supply to handle a heavy flu season. Pharmacists can turn Tamiflu pills into liquid form if liquid supplies run short, says Mike DeAngelis, director of public relations for the CVS/pharmacy chain.

Such antivirals can significantly reduce the flu's severity when taken soon after symptoms begin, ideally within the first 24 hours, Jhung says. That is particularly important, he says, for those most at risk for severe cases, including older people, children under 5 and people with health conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, asthma or obesity, or who have weakened immune systems.

"If you're in one of those risk groups," and you get a fever, or get a little bit of a sore throat, Jhung says, "don't wait until tomorrow. Call your doctor and say, 'What can I do?' "

Most doctors are aware of the benefits of starting antivirals quickly, he says, and can write a prescription even before receiving test results.

Antivirals don't carry the same concern about overuse as antibiotics do, Jhung says. Widespread resistance to drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza is not a worry, he says, although individuals can become resistant if they take an antiviral for long periods.

More people seem to be getting the message that vaccination helps limit the spread of flu.

In November, CVS reported that flu vaccinations were up about 8% over the same period last year, DeAngelis says. Walgreens administered 7 million flu shots through Nov. 31 compared with 6.1 million at the same time last year, according to spokeswoman Markeisha Marshall.

Although this year's flu season started a few weeks earlier than usual, Jhung says he doesn't expect it to peak until early to mid-February. That's why there's still time to get vaccinated, he says. The vaccine generally takes two weeks to reach full effectiveness.
 

Broccoli

Contributing Member
http://www.coloradonewsday.com/news...ruck-down-by-the-strain-sweeping-america.html

Up to its most recent report issued for the last week of December, the CDC said that the flu has hit epidemic levels across the country as activity of the virus became widespread in 36 states.
Officials said that 837 flu deaths were registered in its 122 Cities Mortality Reporting System and that those deaths accounted for the 6.8 percent of the 12,358 people who died that week - meeting an epidemic threshold.
- See more at: http://www.coloradonewsday.com/news...in-sweeping-america.html#sthash.mLOVwmfy.dpuf

The flu has killed 500/year in US, and has killed 837 in one week?
 

Broccoli

Contributing Member
http://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2015/01/03/flu-season-turns-deadly/21214453/

The flu has turned deadly in Michigan this season, as hundreds cram into emergency rooms and doctor offices seeking relief from vomiting, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing and body aches.

At least four adults have died in Washtenaw County. And 78 residents were hospitalized in the past week — nearly as many that were hospitalized between September 2009 through January 2010, the height of a second wave of H1N1 cases, said Laura Bauman, an epidemiologist with the county health department.

"I've been tracking this for years," she said. "It's the most intense transmission of this I've ever seen."

Nearly three out of four hospitalized patients in Washtenaw County were 65 years and older, she said. The youngest of the four who died was 55.

"It's really hitting our frail elderly," she said.

But the young are particularly susceptible, too.


FREEP
Doctors say flu season could be the worst in years.
In Detroit, Children's Hospital of Michigan has limited visitors to parents, legal guardians and those 18 and older. U-M's health system is also asking anyone who feels ill not to visit patients.

One Armada father said his 15-year-old daughter died Monday after doctors diagnosed her with flu and pneumonia.

Mike Borucki said his daughter, Danielle, was feeling ill the day after Christmas. Urgent care doctors sent her to a nearby hospital, which then transported her to Children's Hospital, where she later died, Borucki said. A fund-raiser has been planned for the family Sunday.

"Apparently, they couldn't keep her lungs free of fluid," Borucki said, struggling to keep his voice even.

Neither Children's nor state public health officials confirmed any pediatric flu deaths by the day's end Friday. Borucki said he's waiting for results of lab tests ordered by Children's.

This much already is clear: The phone lines are ringing and the waiting rooms full at local ERs and family doctors.


FREEP
Doctor's advice: How to fight the flu in 2015
"We are swamped. ... Everyone is," said Dr. Richard Reidy, an emergency room doctor at McLaren Macomb Hospital in Mt. Clemens.

"Unfortunately, the flu season is just starting to ramp up," Reidy said.

In December, Macomb County reported about 5,700 flu-like illnesses, up from about 4,000 that it normally records, said Dr. Kevin Lokar, medical director for the Macomb County health department.

Flu season "came earlier than in the last couple of seasons," said Kathy Forzley, health officer for Oakland County's health division.

Part of the problem is that the H3N2 flu strain "drifted" genetically from when the flu vaccine was developed early in 2014.

Health officials realized that too late to re-engineer the vaccine that already was being shipped throughout the U.S., the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said.

Still, the current vaccine is effective against other strains of the flu, including H1N1, according to health officials.

Because flu symptoms are the same for each of the strains and are treated the same, doctors say it's not worth the time and expense to determine which virus is at play. That's especially true for patients who are otherwise healthy adults.

And many residents who are otherwise healthy can treat themselves at home by staying hydrated, taking Tylenol or Motrin, and monitoring their progress.

But for the very young or old and those with certain unrelated health conditions — COPD, heart issues, asthma and diabetes, among them — at least a call to the doctor is advisable, area doctors said.

That's also true if conditions suddenly worsen, a sign that pneumonia has set in. Medical treatment should be sought immediately, said Dr. Jim Getzinger, an ER doctor with Beaumont Health System.

Already fighting a viral infection, some people simply can't handle pneumonia as well, Getzinger said. It's like a one-two punch.

Flu causes mucus — "a nice warm moist environment for a bacterial infection," he said.

Victoria Eminhizer, who recently had heart surgery, and her four young grandchildren all were stricken, and she went to Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak. There, she was given a breathing treatment. She also learned she'd coughed so hard she pulled a muscle.

"I didn't realize how bad it was," said Eminhizer of the flu. "You cough. You have a fever. It's just horrible."

Eminhizer, who works the phones at Beaumont and has seen flu seasons come and go over the years, said the doctor first advised her to return in a few days to check on her pulled muscles.

But he reconsidered, telling her the emergency room was too packed with sick people.

"He said, 'You know, just stay home and ride it out,' " the Oak Park woman said, adding: "I'd never seen the emergency center so busy."

Contact Robin Erb: rerb@freepress.com or 313-222-2708. Follow her on Twitter @Freephealth.


Flu symptoms

Flu comes on fast. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, here are some symptoms.

In children, these are symptoms:

Fast breathing or trouble breathing

Bluish skin color

Not drinking enough fluids

Not waking up or not interacting

Being so irritable that the child does not want to be held

Flu-like symptoms improve but then return with fever and worse cough

Fever with a rash

Seek treatment immediately for any infant who has any of these signs as well:

Is unable to eat

Has trouble breathing

Has no tears when crying

Has significantly fewer wet diapers than normal

Has difficulty breathing or shortness of breath

Has pain or pressure in the chest or abdomen

Is suddenly dizzy

Is confused

Has severe or persistent vomiting

Has flu-like symptoms that improve but then return with fever and worse cough
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Here are some links to some earlier threads that will help show the progression.

I think there had been an earlier thread before the December threads, but didn't find it.

JGF's thread has a map. I know Alabama was one of the earlier states that had major flu cases (it started showing up around Halloween), but Alabama was not on the latest CDC map (shown on CNN) showing widespread flu cases.

JGF's:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...tion-at-epidemic-threshold&highlight=epidemic


This thread talks about some of the deaths in children:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...-CDC-declares-Flu-Epidemic&highlight=epidemic
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Already had it in our house, don't want it no more and that's a fact. I'm tired from picking up the slack and the rest of the family is tired as their energy levels haven't completely recovered. Even supplementing the B's, C's, and D's it is taking longer than what feels normal to get back to square one.

And the flu has been deadly around here. Can't remember the official count but several children are among the fatalities.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Thank you again Lilbitsnana.

You're welcome.

No flu in my family, but I had a kick butt respiratory illness (talking weeks) that went into bronchitis and while I am getting better, it starts trying to come back every time I start trying to get things back in order.

The house went to beyond messy and DH is complaining, so trying to get things back in order. He did not get sick...
 

Nightingale

Contributing Member
We have had it here too. It is very intense! Kids are still worn out and coughing and it has been two weeks.
 
Comment: The trend is firmly established. It is the worst flu outbreak in many years. The kids are getting it in droves. And they are spreading it to the elders who are being hospitalized and dying at higher than normal rates as compared to other past years.


Spate of new deaths raises Indiana flu toll to 36
http://www.indystar.com/story/life/...-new-deaths-raises-indiana-flu-toll/21233723/
Shari Rudavsky January 3, 2015

A new influenza strain that arrived in the United States earlier than usual and which does not match this year's vaccine well continues to plague the nation.

Within one week, 31 new flu deaths were reported to the Indiana State Department of Health, according to the agency's weekly flu report that ran through the week ending Dec. 27 and was published Friday.

Those new deaths bring the total number of deaths this year to 36. All of those who died were above the age of 50, and 34 of those were 65 years of age or older.

Last year's flu season saw a total of 70 deaths in Indiana, 24 of which occurred in people 65 years or older. Nineteen occurred in people aged 24 to 50 and the rest were in those between the ages of 50 to 64.

Most of the flu circulating in Indiana and across the nation belongs to an H3N2 strain against which this year's vaccine will offer only limited protection at best. At this point, the level of flu activity nationwide is about at the peak level reached two years ago, the last time an H3N2 strain was predominant, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Flu activity is high in about half of the nation and at least 15 children in the United States have died from the disease, the CDC reported for the week ending Dec. 20, the most recent data available. The next update is expected to appear Jan. 5.

In Indiana, the percent of patients with influenza-like illness presenting in emergency departments has reached the highest level since 2010.

While the flu has been deadliest for the elderly in Indiana, it has been one of the most prevalent illnesses for which children have sought care in the state, according to the most recent flu report. Almost 40 percent of those between the ages of 5 and 24 seen at sentinel sites presented with flu-like symptoms.
Despite the fact that this year's vaccine is not a perfect match, federal and state health officials still urge people who have not been vaccinated to do so.

The flu vaccine may offer some protection if one becomes sick by easing the duration and or severity of the illness. Or, say some health experts, if another strain of the flu becomes more dominant – as has happened in the past – the vaccine could protect against that.
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Straycat

Veteran Member
You're welcome.

No flu in my family, but I had a kick butt respiratory illness (talking weeks) that went into bronchitis and while I am getting better, it starts trying to come back every time I start trying to get things back in order.

DH and I both had something like this. No real fever, but the respiratory illness that went into bronchitis. It started in mid November and took WEEKS to clear out with both of us hacking up nasty stuff.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I had my Mom in to her Primary care doc Friday for her routine check-up. The Doc was busier than a one armed paper hanger - being the only Doc in the clinic that day. He told us that all three hospitals in town are full up, and can't take any more folk until some leave. Playing musical beds more or less. That's a lot of hospital beds, and all because of the flu.
 

Dinghy

Veteran Member
My daughter and two Grandkids came home the day after Christmas. Granddaughter had a cold for a few days before. By The next day, my daughter was so sick she couldn't get out of bed. Slept the better part of 4 days. Had a fever, terrible joint pains, and a bad cough. A couple days later, my grandson got sick also. He slept for most of two days, and had a low fever and cough. My daughter said she has never been this sick in her life! She managed somehow to drive home Friday, and finally went to the ER yesterday. All they gave her was cough medicine with codeine. She is terrified I'm going to get it, but so far so good.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
I still have acute bronchitis, although it is now getting better. It's been almost 3 weeks of coughing up thick green mucus, and I have pulled all the muscles on my right side so bad I could hardly talk, let alone cough.

Thank God we have some painkillers left from old injuries, I have tried hydrocodone, ibuprofen 800, etc all just to lessen the pain from the pulled muscles so I can cough and clear my lungs somewhat. And it's still so painful I try not to cough much.

Yikes.
 

Moggy

Veteran Member
Y'all need to be taking the herbal tincture Lomatium to protect the lungs. I've posted this before but in case you missed it:


"..it is the nearest approach we have today to a specific in epidemic influenza and the accompanying pneumonia. Where used early it proved itself to be a reliable agent in preventing pulmonary complications. Other physicians were induced to give it a trial, with the same results. It is beyond the experimental stage, as its therapeutic action in this direction is established and beyond any doubt. The cases in which it has been used run into the hundreds. There is probably no therapeutic agent so valuable in the treatment of influenzal pneumonia and, as far as being tried, in ordinary lobar pneumonia if started early. Its action on coughs is more certain than the opiate expectorants and its benefit is lasting. It acts as a powerful tonic to the respiratory mucous membranes. It is a bronchial, intestinal and urinary antiseptic and is excreted by these organs. It seems to stimulate the pneogastries (sic) and causes a slow pulse with increased volume and reduced tension. It is a pronounced diaphoretic and somewhat diuretic, and it is a stimulating and sedative expectorant. In large doses it is a laxative, and in extreme doses emetic."
 

BREWER

Veteran Member
Y'all need to be taking the herbal tincture Lomatium to protect the lungs. I've posted this before but in case you missed it:


"..it is the nearest approach we have today to a specific in epidemic influenza and the accompanying pneumonia. Where used early it proved itself to be a reliable agent in preventing pulmonary complications. Other physicians were induced to give it a trial, with the same results. It is beyond the experimental stage, as its therapeutic action in this direction is established and beyond any doubt. The cases in which it has been used run into the hundreds. There is probably no therapeutic agent so valuable in the treatment of influenzal pneumonia and, as far as being tried, in ordinary lobar pneumonia if started early. Its action on coughs is more certain than the opiate expectorants and its benefit is lasting. It acts as a powerful tonic to the respiratory mucous membranes. It is a bronchial, intestinal and urinary antiseptic and is excreted by these organs. It seems to stimulate the pneogastries (sic) and causes a slow pulse with increased volume and reduced tension. It is a pronounced diaphoretic and somewhat diuretic, and it is a stimulating and sedative expectorant. In large doses it is a laxative, and in extreme doses emetic."

Greetings, Moggy: I've been reading everyone posts and no one mentioned taking the elderberry syrup or extract prior, during, or even after the 'flu/bronchitus
has passed it's acute stage. Thank you for the Lomatium recommendation. Do you have a link to a supplier whom you trust? Take care. BREWER
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Both grandsons had influenza for Christmas. (they're 3 and 4). DD started pushing the elderberry syrup as soon as they started running a fever, and they were both pretty well over it by day 4.... the doctor told her to expect them to be sick for "up to 2 weeks". He said if she'd brought them in earlier, he could have prescribed Tamiflu, which would have "shortened the illness to about a week or so". Sounds like the elderberry basically did the same thing...

(one was vaccinated, one wasn't. Go figure.)

Summerthyme
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've been told that I have a compromised immune system. I still eat raw oysters and sushi on occasion.

Now I never fail to use the little wipes that are around in stores, wipes that I used to ignore. I always wipe after touching cash or swiping plastic.

Nobody in the nuclear family has flu yet. This year's flu vaccine has turned out to have been a bad guess.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No flu here, but before Thanksgiving, I had a pretty bad case of bronchitis along with a sinus infection. The coughing kept me awake at night - as soon as I was horizontal, the drip started and hence, the cough. I was on two different antibiotics, one for 4 weeks!

I made up a new batch of elderberry syrup a week ago, and that has helped more than either antibiotic. Just a quick cough in the morning to clear things out, and that's pretty much it.

I've really got to read these books and articles I've accumulated about herbals and such! Next time, the elderberry will be the FIRST thing I'll take :)
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Greetings, Moggy: I've been reading everyone posts and no one mentioned taking the elderberry syrup or extract prior, during, or even after the 'flu/bronchitus
has passed it's acute stage. Thank you for the Lomatium recommendation. Do you have a link to a supplier whom you trust? Take care. BREWER

I took Sambucol...not much help.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
DH and I both had something like this. No real fever, but the respiratory illness that went into bronchitis. It started in mid November and took WEEKS to clear out with both of us hacking up nasty stuff.

Another one here that had this crud. I got it a about a week into December and was really sick the first week. It's now about a month later and I'm feeling like I've gotten better and am feeling good with no cold, cough or congestion. I expect that being off for the Christmas and New Years weeks probably helped a great deal also.

Jeff B.
 

Be Well

may all be well
so when are they going to tell us just how many had the flue shot and then got sick and died?.

They admit that the flu shot is pretty worthless this year, the targeted flu strains mutated and so even according to their own standards it's not worth much of anything.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Greetings, Moggy: I've been reading everyone posts and no one mentioned taking the elderberry syrup or extract prior, during, or even after the 'flu/bronchitus
has passed it's acute stage. Thank you for the Lomatium recommendation. Do you have a link to a supplier whom you trust? Take care. BREWER

Brewer, I have bought Lomatium root by the pound and made my own tincture. It's a bit late in the year to start doing that, but you could buy Lomatium root and make tea from it if you feel sick or start to. It is a tough, hairy and sticky root with a very strong smell, you can probably find directions on making tea, but just from its looks and smell I would guess simmering at a low temperature, covered well, for at least an hour, would be the best way. I would soak it overnight first, then simmer. When it was used for people with the "Spanish" flu, many survived, and AFAIK, they were drinking the simmered tea, not tinctured extract. My flu kit now includes Lomatium extract, Elderberry syrup, my own Flu Fighter herb formula, Prunella extract, my own cough syrup, trikatu powder and "Breathe well" essential oil mix for inhalations and rubs. If you or anyone wants any information how to make anything that you don't have or know about, PM me and I will post it. The cough syrup turned out to be quite effective for loosening phlegm and easing nonstop coughing as well as helping decongest the head.
 

DHR43

Since 2001
The incidences of real influenza are exceedingly few every year. Some years the number could be a handful in North America.

To puff up the reality of these numbers, they now have "Influenza Like Illnesses". Anything that mimics real influenza (fevers, coughs, body aches and the rest of the symptoms) are now COUNTED AS "the FLU".

It's rubbish, garbage, distortion, dishonest and corrupt. But we think it's OK, because we've long ago accepted that being lied to is OK.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
so when are they going to tell us just how many had the flue shot and then got sick and died?.

This season's flu vaccine has turned out to be a bad guess.

If you've gotten a flu shot this year don't assume that you're protected. Wipe hands, especially after touching cash or POS terminals.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
The incidences of real influenza are exceedingly few every year. Some years the number could be a handful in North America.

To puff up the reality of these numbers, they now have "Influenza Like Illnesses". Anything that mimics real influenza (fevers, coughs, body aches and the rest of the symptoms) are now COUNTED AS "the FLU".

It's rubbish, garbage, distortion, dishonest and corrupt. But we think it's OK, because we've long ago accepted that being lied to is OK.


Exactly!
The message is always BE AFRAID.
The second message is always BUT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF YOU.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
The incidences of real influenza are exceedingly few every year. Some years the number could be a handful in North America.

To puff up the reality of these numbers, they now have "Influenza Like Illnesses". Anything that mimics real influenza (fevers, coughs, body aches and the rest of the symptoms) are now COUNTED AS "the FLU".

It's rubbish, garbage, distortion, dishonest and corrupt. But we think it's OK, because we've long ago accepted that being lied to is OK.

Not in my AO, anyone coming in with a cough or fever for the last couple of months automatically got a strep test and a flu test.

They didn't want to be treating people for the wrong things.
 

Genevieve

working on it
all these "cures" don't work for everyone so to say that people "must" or "should" be using them isn't very smart. what works for you does not mean it will work for everyone. I can see "suggesting" something but to tell people they have to or must take stuff is ridiculous.


I had something that was a very bad upper respiratory cold back a week before Christmas. Felt like I had the flu but there was no fever at all. If anything it below normal but still had shivers had all the other symptoms of the flu. Took 2 weeks to get over it.
Then got another cold with a bad cough ( so bad made the ribs hurt) a week before New Year. It took 2 weeks to get over it. Still cough up mucus now and then. uck.
Before both of these I was taking elderberry so apparently it doesn't work for me.
I"ve started to double my vit D and upped the vit C I ingest through fruits and veggies to see if that works
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
all these "cures" don't work for everyone so to say that people "must" or "should" be using them isn't very smart. what works for you does not mean it will work for everyone. I can see "suggesting" something but to tell people they have to or must take stuff is ridiculous.


I had something that was a very bad upper respiratory cold back a week before Christmas. Felt like I had the flu but there was no fever at all. If anything it below normal but still had shivers had all the other symptoms of the flu. Took 2 weeks to get over it.
Then got another cold with a bad cough ( so bad made the ribs hurt) a week before New Year. It took 2 weeks to get over it. Still cough up mucus now and then. uck.
Before both of these I was taking elderberry so apparently it doesn't work for me.
I"ve started to double my vit D and upped the vit C I ingest through fruits and veggies to see if that works

Genevieve, Elderberry will not act as much of a preventative for flu BEFORE one gets it, though I think I've read it does help with other illnesses. But also, the directions on a bottle will say take a spoonful. I have read several places that when you do know you have the flu, that you need to up that to 4 spoons a day. Did you do that? I started feeling lousy a few days ago, and dumped in 4 spoons of elderberry. 2 days later was back to normal. As it is a natural food, there is no ham in *trying* it. Which is not saying you must take something. I'm all for taking a crack at whatever might help me.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It was a nasty flu to be sure. I suffered from it for at least 5 days. The rest of the meadowlarks suffered from it as well, with vomiting and one case of pnumonia.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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NOTHING cures "everything". Elderberry is a proven specific for influenza, but the jury is out about it's effectiveness against other viruses. It doesn't seem to do much for the common cold.

The way it works is by preventing the influenza virus from replicating. It doesn't actually *kill* any viruses. So you *really* need to take it early and often- start as soon as you feel even the mildest symptoms (around here, we grab it at the first sign of achy muscles, chills or a sore throat) and take it *at least* 4x a day. During an actual influenza bout, it's important to take it around the clock.... every 4 hours isn't overkill at all.

When we had H1N1 in 2009, it was a NASTY bug! We hit the elderberry hard (plus NAC and resveratrol), and it kept symptoms down so we were able to keep haying. But one afternoon (third or fourth day of the illness) I didn't take time to get off the tractor and run to the house for elderberry- I just wanted to get the hay in the barn. BIG mistake... by the next morning, I was so sick I don't think I could have gotten out of bed if the house burned down! I went back to taking the supplements and in the end I was probably sick for a day longer than I would have if I had stayed on the regimen without skipping any doses.

Summerthyme
 

garnetgirl

Veteran Member
My go-to lately has been olive leaf extract in a pill form. If I think I'm starting to come down with something, I take one or two and haven't gotten sick yet. I have Lomatium and Elderberry syrup on hand as well. Oh, and Manuka Honey Lozenges are great, too!

garnetgirl
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
How the heck does a vaccine help if it DOESN'T work against the strain.

I wish they would show some proof of that statement. It either WORKS or does not WORK. Most of the deaths I'm reading about have had the FLU vaccine.

(I personally don't think they work except to spread the flu but STOP pushing them if it doesn't work)

FLU MIST is a "LIVE" virus shot up the nose into the mucosa.



Very long article relevant part:

'Healthy' Iowa 3-year-old dies from flu

Ayzlee McCarthy spent much of Dec. 26 playing with Christmas gifts and trying on her new "Frozen" dress-up clothes.

Three days later, the feisty 3-year-old was dead, the cause attributed to complications from influenza.

"She was healthy. She had a flu shot," said Amber McCarthy, Ayzlee's mother. "The whole thing is so unreal."

Preliminary data show that three Iowa children, ages 17 or younger, have died from influenza since October, when the flu season began, said Ann Garvey, deputy state epidemiologist. Garvey could not say whether Ayzlee's death was included in the statistics.

The state does not receive reports of adult deaths caused by the flu, Garvey said.

However, Iowa Department of Public Health reports show that for the week ending Dec. 27, 161 Iowans were hospitalized with the flu at a set of hospitals the department monitors. More than half of the patients were 65 or older. The number of people hospitalized with the flu was up from 130 for the week that ended Dec. 20.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../02/flu-deaths-iowa-young-girl-dies/21214315/


Iowa Teenager Dies Days After Flu Symptoms Appear


REDFIELD, Iowa — The Polk County Medical Examiner’s Office says since early November, they’ve listed influenza as the cause of death on seven death certificates. Two of those were children. However, the Iowa Department of Public Health says it is working to confirm three primary reports of flu deaths of people under the age of 18.

Fourteen-year–old Amber Gray loved reading and drawing according to her uncle Adam Broman.

“She was completely healthy, nothing wrong with her. Yeah just a healthy typical 14-year-old girl which makes what happens to her that much more shocking.”

ALthough Gray had gotten the flu shot, she complained of flu-like symptoms on December 21st. The following day things quickly got worse.

http://whotv.com/2015/01/02/iowa-teenager-dies-days-after-flu-symptoms-appear/
 

Emilys

Contributing Member
DH and I have been taking vitamin d3 all winter. We've been ok, so far. Five of our children came down with it (flu, morphed into sinus problems, possibly two separate incidents). Of the six kids, one didn't get it (he religiously take his supplements, including d3), two got it really bad (the two that always "forget" to take their d3), two that had a relatively minor case lasting about two days, and one that was over it in a day.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
My go-to lately has been olive leaf extract in a pill form. If I think I'm starting to come down with something, I take one or two and haven't gotten sick yet. I have Lomatium and Elderberry syrup on hand as well. Oh, and Manuka Honey Lozenges are great, too!

garnetgirl

Awesome anti-viral (was actually tested by upjohn as an antiviral medicine iirc but could not isolate the active ingredient)...the elderberry has helped us....just remember when you start feeling sick up the dose as soon as you see or feel symptoms. I've been using a great ginger tea and adding dried elderberries, a couple cloves, some black pepper (little cayenne if I'm feeling froggy) ..sprinkle a little turmeric in for good measure sometimes I throw in some olive leaf extract..add some honey and lemon ~ The ginger is pretty spicy so adjust to taste but it does give your body a nice little sweat.


Gonna say one more thing: PLEASE be careful inhibiting your fever...or your childs fever with tylenol etc...use every natural method you can because that fever is like your kingdoms army and if the army is disabled ..you get the picture. Take warm baths..don't bundle up ...use cool cloths on the wrist and pressure points.



Fever facts vs myth

Misconceptions about fever are commonplace. Many parents needlessly worry and lose sleep when their child has a fever. This is called fever phobia. Overall, fevers are harmless. Let the following facts help you put fever into perspective:

MYTH: My child feels warm, so she has a fever.
FACT: Children can feel warm for a many reasons such as playing hard, crying, getting out of a warm bed or being outside on a hot day. They are “giving off heat”. Their skin temperature should return to normal in 10 to 20 minutes. Once these causes are excluded, about 80% of children who feel warm and act sick actually have a fever. If you want to be sure, take their temperature. The following are the cutoffs for fever using different types of thermometers:
Rectal, ear or temporal artery thermometers: 100.4° F (38.0° C) or higher
Oral or pacifier thermometers: 100° F (37.8° C) or higher
Under the arm (Axillary or Armpit) temperatures: 99° F (37.2° C) or higher

MYTH: All fevers are bad for children.
FACT: Fevers turn on the body's immune system and help the body fight infection. Fevers are one of the body's protective mechanisms. Normal fevers between 100° and 104° F (37.8° - 40° C) are actually good for sick children.

MYTH: Fevers above 104° F (40° C) are dangerous and can cause brain damage.
FACT: Fevers with infections don't cause brain damage. Only body temperatures above 108° F (42° C) can cause brain damage. The body temperature climbs this high only with extreme environmental temperatures (for example, if a child is confined to a closed car in hot weather).

MYTH: Anyone can have a febrile seizure (seizure triggered by fever).
FACT: Only 4% of children can have a febrile seizure.

MYTH: Febrile seizures are harmful.
FACT: Febrile seizures are scary to watch, but they usually stop within 5 minutes. They cause no permanent harm. Children who have had febrile seizures do not have a greater risk for developmental delays, learning disabilities, or seizures without fever.

MYTH: All fevers need to be treated with fever medicine.
FACT: Fevers only need to be treated if they cause discomfort. Usually fevers don't cause any discomfort until they go above 102° or 103° F (39° or 39.5° C).

MYTH: Without treatment, fevers will keep going higher.
FACT: Wrong. Because the brain has a thermostat, fevers from infection usually don't go above 103° or 104° F (39.5°- 40° C). They rarely go to 105° or 106° F (40.6° or 41.1° C). While the latter are "high" fevers, they are harmless ones.

MYTH: With treatment, fevers should come down to normal.
FACT: With treatment, fevers usually come down 2° or 3° F (1° or 1.5° C).

MYTH: If the fever doesn't come down (if you can't "break the fever"), the cause is serious.
FACT: Fevers that don't respond to fever medicine can be caused by viruses or bacteria. It doesn't relate to the seriousness of the infection.

MYTH: Once the fever comes down with medicines, it should stay down.
FACT: The fever will normally last for 2 or 3 days with most viral infections. Therefore, when the fever medicine wears off, the fever will return and need to be treated again. The fever will go away and not return once your child’s body overpowers the virus (usually by the fourth day).

MYTH: If the fever is high, the cause is serious.
FACT: If the fever is high, the cause may or may not be serious. If your child looks very sick, the cause is more likely to be serious.

MYTH: The exact number of the temperature is very important.
FACT: How your child looks is what's important, not the exact temperature.

MYTH: Oral temperatures between 98.7° and 100° F (37.1° to 37.8° C) are low-grade fevers.
FACT: These temperatures are normal variations. The body's temperature normally changes throughout the day. It peaks in the late afternoon and evening. An actual low-grade fever is 100° F to 102° F (37.8° - 39° C) .

SUMMARY: Remember that fever is fighting off your child's infection. Fever is one of the good guys.

http://www.allkids.org/PediatricSymptomChecker/housecalls3tab_english/peds/fever_myths.htm
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Looks like the flu had hit my area here in Oregon. I was not expecting to substitute teach today, since today is the first day back from Christmas break. But I picked up the phone, and here I am. The teachers children tested positive for the flu, so she has it to. unfortunately, the teacher dragged her 1/2 dead body to school to hand me lesson plans. I've sanitized everything I can, but I'm going to have to take a lot of vitamins when I get home.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
Sick with flu? Don't take a fever-reducing drug

Fever can lower the amount of virus in a sick person's body and help immune responses work better, according to new research quoted by Discovery News.

By Haaretz | Jan. 25, 2014 | 12:03 PM

Fever-reducing medications, which are often taken by people with flu, can result in the infection of tens of thousands of additional people each flu season. That is one of the findings of new research, as reported by Discovery News.

Fever, though unpleasant, can actually be beneficial. The condition can lower the amounts of virus in a sick person's body, because viruses replicate less efficiently in higher temperatures. Fever can also help immune responses work better.

Using mathematical models to assess the effects of widespread use of medications that suppress fever, researchers found that in a typical flu season, fever-reducing drugs such as ibuprofen and acetaminophen may lead to tens of thousands of additional influenza cases, as well as more than a thousand deaths attributable to influenza, across North America.

"When they have flu, people often take medication that reduces their fever. No one likes to feel miserable, but it turns out that our comfort might be at the cost of infecting others," said study researcher David Earn, a professor of mathematics at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.

"Because fever can actually help lower the amount of virus in a sick person's body and reduce the chance of transmitting disease to others, taking drugs that reduce fever can increase transmission," Earn said. "We've discovered that this increase has significant effects when we scale up to the level of the whole population."

"People are often advised to take fever-reducing drugs, and medical texts state that doing so is harmless," said Paul Andrews, researcher at the Department of Psychology, Neuroscience and Behavior at McMaster. "This view needs to change."

The researchers said future experiments are needed to determine the precise increase in virus levels in the body associated with fever reduction. Studies are also needed to estimate the increase in disease spread from sick people who took fever-reducing drugs that made them feel better, allowing them to go to school or work when they should have stayed home.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.570458
 

kittyknits

Veteran Member
You're welcome.

No flu in my family, but I had a kick butt respiratory illness (talking weeks) that went into bronchitis and while I am getting better, it starts trying to come back every time I start trying to get things back in order.

The house went to beyond messy and DH is complaining, so trying to get things back in order. He did not get sick...


Influenza is a respiratory illness. I had one that recurred for 24 years and always ended up as bronchitis. I think a lot of viruses (viri) hide in our bodies and gain strength when we are run down.

Do you use elderberry?
 
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