PRYR RQST In medical hell - much whining - advice and prayers welcome.

Tweakette

Irrelevant
Back in March I ended up in the hospital for 5 days with pneumonia.
While I was in there they did a chest CT and found 2 other things in there:
1) I herniated my entire stomach into my chest from the coughing (it had been just a moderate sized hiatal hernia on an Xray a week before the hospitalization. This will need surgery.
2) I have a 4.9 cm ascending aortic aneurysm and a 4.2 cm aortic root. Tricuspid valve is in good shape with some mild regurgitation. The rest of my heart looks ok. This will need surgical repair too.

My lungs have mostly healed, my stomach situation is tolerable, so the aneurysm is the main focus of concern.
The issue I'm having now is managing the blood pressure. Everything the docs give me seems to make it worse.

My average just out of the hospital on 50 mg of losartan was about 130/80. That was while I was still sick ,withdrawing from Prednisone, and 20 lbs heavier than I am now. The aneurysm rules dictates that it needs to be 120/80 pulse 80 or lower , though.

So the docs made me take a beta blocker - metoprolol succinate 25 mg. I have odd reactions to meds so I balked initially but I understand their reasoning. The first week was hell and I could barely stand up. Then it evened out at a good BP and pulse for 3 weeks (110/70 p60).

Then I utterly stopped being able to poop. I mean, nothing. I tried fiber, fluids, prunes etc - no luck.
Then I tried a packet of Miralax and 2 hours after taking it my BP shot up 40 points and didnt come down for EIGHT DAYS.

I managed to crank out a few turds during that period but when the BP came down again my bowels locked up.
So I then tried 1 Senokot tablet. Same thing - BP up huge for a full day (but I could poop again).
No one has any idea why this is happening, even if they believe me (which is rare, they just say "that can't happen").

Now we've changed meds - this time atenolol(25 mg). The med switch put me in bed for a weekend dealing with rolling panic attacks that took 4 days to ease up.
Atenolol doesn't last all day and now gives me rebound panic attacks in the PM that shoot my BP to 160/90. AND I can't poop on this either. And because of the Miralax and Senokot issue I'm afraid to take anything else. And I can't pry it out because that could blow the aneurysm.
I can't absorb BP constant spikes like this mess without risking the aneurysm. Without the beta blocker it didn't go that high AND I could poop!
Atenolol also seems to be raising my blood sugar and giving me false hypoglycemic episodes (which raise my BP!). I used to get them in the past and cured them with low carb but now this drug is messing that up.
I wake up with high BP every morning and the shakes like I had a bowl of Captain Crunch for dinner the previous evening.

And I think I'm now getting panic attacks from the losartan, which Ive had in the past when increasing doses. I think right now my body is so messed up that its reacting to everything. They hit 2.5 hours after taking it, every day.

My BP also shoots up from drinking plain water. That's not so good when you need to drink water because you haven't pooped in a week from your BP medication and you're already up there.
Google "water as pressor" if you don't believe me. It happens in older people and those with dysautonomia (I probably have some of that as I have hypermobile EDS and they tend to go together).

I'm 58 years old. I'm asthmatic so my "choice" of beta blockers is also limited to ones that won't screw up the asthma.

I am so frustrated. I've done everything right during this - taken the meds, cut out salt, walking 2 miles a day (in sessions, now that my lungs allow), lost 20 lbs in 2 months (the jacked-up stomach made that easy). But every time I turn around my body is doing some other bizarre thing that causes a cascade effect into other problems and issues.

And icing on the cake now is my new-to-me cardiologist is out of town for a month and barely answering email. I'm on my own.
I have very serious doubts that I will make it out of this situation alive.

Thanks for listening.
 
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Tweakette

Irrelevant
I will ask about Linzess. I've never had this issue before the beta blockers, and everything I do that gets things moving raises the blood pressure. I took mag oxide today and was screwed up all afternoon.
I just want off these things but they're telling me they're for life even after the surgery! I'm so screwed.
In addition to the bowel issue I can't think on them, I'm really depressed, and they're giving me neuropathy in my toes.
I had none of these issues before this class of drugs. And I'm not diabetic (or wasn't!).

PS. I do eat yogurt - didn't help .
 

jward

passin' thru
I'm truly sorry to read of all that you've on your plate right now, and of your frustrations and fears wrt to dealing with the issues. In addition to prayers, hot tea and warm hugs, I might suggest you see if meditation/relaxation sessions blunt the edge of any of these concerns.

In addition to my morning and evening prayers/meditations, I sometimes toss in an extra session when my body is doing it's cascading response to some issue.

Take heart. Everything they try is one more thing on the list that can be marked off, so progress IS being made...though of course it can't feel like it is while in the midst of the events.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nothing but prayers to offer, but I can offer lots of them. And no, you're not whining. You are rightfully afraid and confused as to how to proceed. Not whining. Keep looking for the answer. You are too young for all this.
 

Tweakette

Irrelevant
Psychgirl, they play "poke and hope" with these meds and just keep trying the next one. That is IF you can even get an appointment. We've been doing all of this over mychart since I can't get in after the initial visit.
In our health network they are booked out for months - too many sick people and not enough docs.

And a side note: The hernia and aneurysm may be related to a connective tissue disorder. I tested negative for all of the nasty ones on the genetic screening they had me do, but I am still very hypermobile as are my sister and mother. They haven't found the genes for hypermobile Ehlers Danlos yet.

Because of this potential the surgeon is willing to operate on this fairly soon. I need some teeth fixed first though so I am thinking this fall.
But if my body is doing all this bizarre stuff now what will it be like loaded up with drugs during and after the op?
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Psychgirl, they play "poke and hope" with these meds and just keep trying the next one. That is IF you can even get an appointment. We've been doing all of this over mychart since I can't get in after the initial visit.
In our health network they are booked out for months - too many sick people and not enough docs.

And a side note: The hernia and aneurysm may be related to a connective tissue disorder. I tested negative for all of the nasty ones on the genetic screening they had me do, but I am still very hypermobile as are my sister and mother. They haven't found the genes for hypermobile Ehlers Danlos yet.

Because of this potential the surgeon is willing to operate on this fairly soon. I need some teeth fixed first though so I am thinking this fall.
But if my body is doing all this bizarre stuff now what will it be like loaded up with drugs during and after the op?
I thought of the lack of medical specialists after I posted.
I wish I knew someone to help you.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
This may not help you now, but it's not costly and won't hurt: I eat an apple each day, plus at least a 1/2 bowl of oatmeal 5 - 6 days a week for breakfast. You may have to get regular again first, but that combination makes a big difference to my body. (It's bacon and eggs on the weekend when I can afford them)
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
This is going to sound crazy but I have (undiagnosed) IBS, so I was back and forth from constipated to too loose if you get my drift.
I accidentally found that a good big handful of cashews daily regulates me amazingly.

Found out a neighbor has IBS so told her about it, and she tried it and it works for her as well. Give it a few days to kick in, and suddenly everything works smoothly and easily. Like getting new plumbing!

Hope this helps, and will pray for you.
 

Tweakette

Irrelevant
@Meemur, I was already doing that - apple a day plus oatmeal with chia in the AM. Then I added psyllium , despite already eating fiber at every meal (vegetables, salad, brown rice , sweet potato) .
The psyllium actually made things worse - it just added "more cars to the traffic jam " LOL. I didn't eat for 3 days as I was so full and nothing was moving.

This is a beta receptor-related motility issue, I am convinced. All the fiber and water in the world won't help if peristalsis isn't happening and it doesn't seem to be.

I had a barium swallow test for the stomach issue and it took nearly 8 days for it all to leave (I watched LOL).

And if it is motility then this entire class of drugs is going to cause me a problem, and switching won't help. And according to the cardio this is the only class of drugs that can do what they need it to do for me to survive the surgery.

Oils, suppositories etc help if it "gets near the exit" and some may meander down there in a week but not enough to really feel well.
 

Tessa

Contributing Member
A spoonful of coconut oil will help. Don't try to take it straight out of a spoon, it will go down the wrong way every time.
I put mine in coffee.
 

sssarawolf

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oh my goodness, I pray you make it through this. I also have strange side effects from Meds. so I know how this is. But sheesh.
 

JeanCat

Veteran Member
Back in March I ended up in the hospital for 5 days with pneumonia.
While I was in there they did a chest CT and found 2 other things in there:
1) I herniated my entire stomach into my chest from the coughing (it had been just a moderate sized hiatal hernia on an Xray a week before the hospitalization. This will need surgery.
2) I have a 4.9 cm ascending aortic aneurysm and a 4.2 cm aortic root. Tricuspid valve is in good shape with some mild regurgitation. The rest of my heart looks ok. This will need surgical repair too.

My lungs have mostly healed, my stomach situation is tolerable, so the aneurysm is the main focus of concern.
The issue I'm having now is managing the blood pressure. Everything the docs give me seems to make it worse.

My average just out of the hospital on 50 mg of losartan was about 130/80. That was while I was still sick ,withdrawing from Prednisone, and 20 lbs heavier than I am now. The aneurysm rules dictates that it needs to be 120/80 pulse 80 or lower , though.

So the docs made me take a beta blocker - metoprolol succinate 25 mg. I have odd reactions to meds so I balked initially but I understand their reasoning. The first week was hell and I could barely stand up. Then it evened out at a good BP and pulse for 3 weeks (110/70 p60).

Then I utterly stopped being able to poop. I mean, nothing. I tried fiber, fluids, prunes etc - no luck.
Then I tried a packet of Miralax and 2 hours after taking it my BP shot up 40 points and didnt come down for EIGHT DAYS.

I managed to crank out a few turds during that period but when the BP came down again my bowels locked up.
So I then tried 1 Senokot tablet. Same thing - BP up huge for a full day (but I could poop again).
No one has any idea why this is happening, even if they believe me (which is rare, they just say "that can't happen").

Now we've changed meds - this time atenolol(25 mg). The med switch put me in bed for a weekend dealing with rolling panic attacks that took 4 days to ease up.
Atenolol doesn't last all day and now gives me rebound panic attacks in the PM that shoot my BP to 160/90. AND I can't poop on this either. And because of the Miralax and Senokot issue I'm afraid to take anything else. And I can't pry it out because that could blow the aneurysm.
I can't absorb BP constant spikes like this mess without risking the aneurysm. Without the beta blocker it didn't go that high AND I could poop!
Atenolol also seems to be raising my blood sugar and giving me false hypoglycemic episodes (which raise my BP!). I used to get them in the past and cured them with low carb but now this drug is messing that up.
I wake up with high BP every morning and the shakes like I had a bowl of Captain Crunch for dinner the previous evening.

And I think I'm now getting panic attacks from the losartan, which Ive had in the past when increasing doses. I think right now my body is so messed up that its reacting to everything. They hit 2.5 hours after taking it, every day.

My BP also shoots up from drinking plain water. That's not so good when you need to drink water because you haven't pooped in a week from your BP medication and you're already up there.
Google "water as pressor" if you don't believe me. It happens in older people and those with dysautonomia (I probably have some of that as I have hypermobile EDS and they tend to go together).

I'm 58 years old. I'm asthmatic so my "choice" of beta blockers is also limited to ones that won't screw up the asthma.

I am so frustrated. I've done everything right during this - taken the meds, cut out salt, walking 2 miles a day (in sessions, now that my lungs allow), lost 20 lbs in 2 months (the jacked-up stomach made that easy). But every time I turn around my body is doing some other bizarre thing that causes a cascade effect into other problems and issues.

And icing on the cake now is my new-to-me cardiologist is out of town for a month and barely answering email. I'm on my own.
I have very serious doubts that I will make it out of this situation alive.

Thanks for listening.
You WILL make it. I hurt for you and will be praying for you. And, I do not consider this whining or complaining. I consider this a “bear ye one another’s burdens” situations. You WILL get through this. I will follow this thread closely. Please post updates as you feel like it. Thank you for posting this weighty situation for us to pray about.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
So, yeah...you're not whining. That alone might help a bit. You've got enough going on than no amount of talking about it can be called whining. In fact, I really don't call ANYTHING "whining" unless you've actually got that band-saw-hitting-a-nail tone to go along with it.

Meantime, you've got an amen for all the prayers too; nothing wrong with a little more.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oh my goodness! this is awful.
Is there ANY way you can wean yourself off the meds? They might be conflicting. I almost think you need to get "clean" from them... and then just try natural stuff.

Your story sounds so much like what I've seen before - where the meds actually create additional problems. Let surgery do what it can do - but don't accept every med suggested to correct symptoms of the underlying problem. And no, you ain't whinin' honey.

This is a horrible place to be in.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Well, first off, I don't see ANY whining, at least no where what *I* call whining when *I* whine. :).

1) Can you get a sit-down with your PCP?? It might be time to have a GENERALIST look into what you are taking.
2) Cardiologists DO NOT ALWAYS know what the ***K they are doing with their favorite chems/drugs.
It has been a LONG TIME since I stuck Cardiologists on their preferred pedestal. FECKERS pull their pants on the same way I do.
3) JeanCat is correct in that you WILL get through this. It may not be comfy but it WILL give you a way through.

Prayers for you, and all your support system. I'd LOVE to haul ya out here to the Cleveland Clinic, too. They're pretty damn good for Cardiac whatevers (or that's what the whole damn world seems to think).

Prayers... +++
 

Tweakette

Irrelevant
@Sacajawea - when I initially balked at the idea of a beta blocker that was why. I told the cardio flat-out that I "did not want to become a polypharmacy disaster area" .
Well, here we are almost 2 months later and I am a polypharmacy disaster area. And my average BP over the "beta blocker period" is far higher than it was without them except for those few early weeks of metoprolol before the side effects fully kicked in.

I will tell you, in the past 2 weeks there were days where I didn't give a sh*t (pun intended) if the aneurysm blew or not, I was so miserable. Its not just the being plugged up, its the depression, the no sleep, adrenalin surges, brain fog, numb toes, twitching face when the adrenaline rolls back in, short term memory issues , all of it.

And that's half of why I started walking more. I figured it would either get things moving or blow the aneurysm and I didn't really care which.

The only two things that have marginally worked are magnesium and ginger tea. Ginger is a prokinetic herb. Peppermint helps a bit too. I've also tried yoga, essential oils, Qi Gong, abdominal massage, and peppermint essential oil.

I'm trying the coconut oil in some ginger tea right now.

Thank you all so much for your prayers and support. I don't often need help but I'm in really deep sh*t right now (again, pun intended ) LOL.
 
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