CORONA “If Vaccines Work, Why Do The Vaccinated Need to Wear Masks?”: Psaki Can’t Answer the Question We’ve All Been Wondering

[TerryK]

If these "vaccines" are effective.....then, why do the fools who allowed an experimental gene altering graphene nanoparticle containing drug hyperventilate about those who did not do so?

The only ones hyperventilating and calling names and feeling persecuted and threatening others are the anti vaxers here.
I, my family, most of my neighborhood have been vaccinated with no ill effects and no covid hospitalizations yet.
I hope others eventually get vaxed, but I'm not losing sleep over it unless it causes the lockdowns to come back.
99% of the hyperventilating is being done by antivaxers putting out the latest twitter conspiracy they come across.
You all like anything that confirms your already held beliefs and refuse to even consider anything that does not.

Live your life how you want. It's your choice. If sometime in the future circumstances force you to get the vaccination, well that's your problem not mine. And I'm sure you'll deal with it in your own way.
Once in the past pretty much everyone had to get a smallpox vaccination, hell I got 3.
Every kid now gets a whole slew of vaccinations when they are born or they cant go to school. This is one case where I think they give too many, too fact. Spread them out a lot more.

Anyway, life goes on for most of us, but one day for each of us, it won't.
Best advice is to always be ready for that day. Many say they are, but few really are.

 

[mzkitty]

The #Delta twitter, if you are interested:

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Delta&src=typed_query&f=live

 

[sleepyeddie]

They have pushed this mask thing so hard for so long that the most logical conclusion I can derive from their actions is:

That the masks help expedite the death process.

 

[lolabelle]

I fear losing my freedom and being a slave more than dying from this virus. They may take my life but they’re not getting my soul.

 

[Border Collie Dad]

Really, Your outlook is clear. Therefore what use is it?

So, what you're really saying is you can't defend yourself?

 

[mistaken1]

I’ll consider it, if I decide I want to waste more time with you tomorrow when I am on a keyboard.

Bwaaaahhhaaaa hhhhhaaaa. I was eagerly awaiting your rebuttal but you sold me on the fact that you have none.

 

[CaryC]

Remind me, which Vax did Israel use? Moderna. Pfizer, J&J, Astra Zeneca or Sinovac?

That is something I don't know. Vax is Vax. LOL

 

[ChicagoMan74]

This deserves a separate post

I don't know why. The only real "argument" in that screed is that "they don't have data thru mid-July"; and if anyone knows anything about health care data...you know that date of death and anything to do with DX is not real-time; it goes thru a coding and verification process.

 

[ChicagoMan74]

If these "vaccines" are effective.....then, why do the fools who allowed an experimental gene altering graphene nanoparticle containing drug hyperventilate about those who did not do so?

Mind lock.

 

[SmithJ]

No seriously. You put that article up as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I responded to it line by line. What did I read wrong there. Enlighten us/me. If I'm wrong, I'm a man of honor and will admit it willingly.

My responses are in red below

That is the headline. Headlines are click bate.

That is AP's analysis. Not scientific data. In other words, meaningless.

1) This is a statement of your belief nothing more. But I agree, it may be meaningless - TO YOU - That does not mean it is meaningless to others.

We have data up to mid July, why didn't they include that in their analysis? It is available.

2) The article was clearly identified as being written 6/29/21. Therefore, no they did not have data through mid July. If you wish you can look for updates. The article was written, as is customary, using data from the last full month prior to publication. If you wish to use this as a point of argument a more proper approach would have been to present data from the following six weeks (which you say you have) and show how it conflicts with the article or changes the outcome of the analysis. Unless you do that, you are just whining.

In the 1st sentence, they make a definitive statement, but in the 2nd sentence they say the CDC says they don't know because of the lack of data. Ok, which one is a lie?

3) A clear misrepresentation by you. Nowhere in the article does the CDC say "they don't know because of the lack of data"
The article is quite clear that the CDC has data on 45 states and therefore does not make a analysis of the country as a whole based on those 45 states. The article is also quite clear that the AP analyzed the data of those 45 states because that is what they have available. Neither is a "lie" and the data limitation is fully disclosed.

So the "trend," based on the "trend" last year, millions were gonna die. A "trend" is a statistical projection, and the projection is based on data that they state in their own report is useless and meaningless. Therefor the "trend" is what they made it up to be for their messaging.

4) This appears to be some statement of opinion or belief by you that is not even relevant. There is nothing for me to respond to regarding the article I posted.

Yet, they are saying they don't have reliable data to determine that?

5) Its not clear what specifically you refer to, but it is clear that the AP acknowledges that the data is incomplete and only deals with 45 states. They do not say that the data that they do have is not reliable.

While they are at the same time saying that the vaccine is not effective and fully vaxxed people should go back to wearing a mask? Ok, I'm curious, which is it, "it is wonderful" or "well, it is wonderful, but doesn't really work, so wear a mask"?

6) Nowhere in the article does it say "the vaccine is not effective" . The article is also not about wearing masks. I understand you may be fixated on that topic, but that is outside the scope of this article and is one reason I said your "response" was not worth responding to.

So, I gather that I am supposed to make life choices based upon a wild ass guess(WAG) from the AP? And in that WAG they contradict themselves on the data?

7) You can make life choices based on anything you wish.

If they had lead the article with "This is our WAG" then I would have said, OK. But they presented their WAG as fact. And that Sir, is misinformation directly from the AP

8) They specifically said "An Associated Press analysis of available government data". Can't be any more clear than that. You may disagree with their analysis, but you cannot truthfully say that they did not say exactly how they approached their analysis.

So as I said, it really wasn't worth a response but there it is.

 

[Lone_Hawk]

Thank you SmithJ for taking the time to respond. I did not go to the original article, I only went by the text that you posted, and as there was no date in what you posted, the logical assumption was that it was a current article.

I will confess to having a very low regard for "the press" as a whole. That goes back to being in situations that they reported on, and what they reported was a complete lie. And over the last 40 years, they have done nothing to improve my opinion of them.

You stated:

3) A clear misrepresentation by you. Nowhere in the article does the CDC say "they don't know because of the lack of data"
The article is quite clear that the CDC has data on 45 states and therefore does not make a analysis of the country as a whole based on those 45 states. The article is also quite clear that the AP analyzed the data of those 45 states because that is what they have available. Neither is a "lie" and the data limitation is fully disclosed.

What they actually said, and I quote:

Among them: Only about 45 states report breakthrough infections, and some are more aggressive than others in looking for such cases. So the data probably understates such infections, CDC officials said.

What they are saying here is that their data is incomplete. Note also that they said the data probably understates such infections. The infections referenced are "breakthrough" infections, those that are vaxxed and still caught Covid.

That does not change my statement that the AP analysis is meaningless in that they did not have good data to work with. The basis of their report, the core of their presentation, is based upon faulty data. So why should I draw a conclusion that their report is factual when the basis of their report is admitted in the article to be incomplete and "probably" understates the number of breakthrough infections?

I honestly wish they were giving all of us better data, I really do. But after working with the federal government for 28 years I have learned that when they make definitive statements, based upon faulty data, then their statement is fundamentally flawed.

So I do not feel that my skepticism of the AP report is unwarranted.

 

[ChicagoMan74]

Yes---

since this NOT-a-true-vaccine 'works' NOT by putting weakened or dead coronavirus INTO the body, for your OWN immunes system to then rev up and create anitbodies for-------------instead, it MODIFIES the mRNA to give instructions to Each Cell in Your Body to MAKE -- to MANUFACTURE-- the corona virus--and THEN your immune system is supposed to jump up and recognize this "foreign" body and rev up to fight it.

YOUR OWN CELLS ARE RE-PROGRAMMED TO MANUFACTURE THE VIRUS INSIDE YOU.

Works 'fairly' well the FIRST go-round, against the first variant of Covid which was the one your cells were re-programmed to produce.

But the SECOND time you are exposed--to a slightly DIFFERENT version--

Your immune cells rev up to "kill! kill! kill!" ALL corona-virus--- but then---suddenly the white blood cells realize that they HAVEN"T killed all the "invading" virus---because here it is HERE, inside this lung cell----and here it is HERE, inside this heart cell-----and here---and here---and HERE---and HERE.........

And pretty soon you're in full cytokine storm.

That is exactly what the former VP of Pfizer, and Celeste Solem, Dr. Vanden Bossche , Professor Dolores Cahill, and numerous others had said would happen.

It is happening now.

Except, for myself...and my spouse...that didn't happen. (and I know...one can't extrapolate grand conclusions on a N=2 sample; but still; your assumption as stated above seems to communicate it as a norm, where my personal experience and others I've heard of first hand that are similar lend me to believe that your assumption is NOT the norm.)

There was an outbreak amoung a group of teens 2 weeks ago where one of ours was exposed, and contracted COVID...verified by an antigen and PCR test. Our teen had mild symptoms, never had a fever, never lost taste/smell and only really had a lingering mild cough. 11 days later he tested negative and is fine now. There were 4 other teens in 4 separate family's that also had identical scenarios...but the kids and parents of all those families were not vaccinated.

Now myself and my wife were vaccinated in June (Pfizer), and were just fine health wise during our teen's infection and assumed contagious period and are fine now. But 4 other adult people from those families all contracted COVID; all lost taste/smell; all ran high-grade fevers for 1-3 days, severe fatigue, coughing/congestion. 2 have recovered...one is still testing pos, running a mild fever and isolating at home. 1 was actually hospitalized and put on oxygen, and after a 6 day IP stay has been sent home with oxygen. I've heard similar recent scenarios as mine from other vaccinated friends and colleagues.

So in these cases...the vaccine is actually doing exactly what it was intended to do.

 

[Richard]

The vaccines may not be able to stop you catching and spreading the virus?

 

[SmithJ]

Thank you SmithJ for taking the time to respond. I did not go to the original article, I only went by the text that you posted, and as there was no date in what you posted, the logical assumption was that it was a current article.

I will confess to having a very low regard for "the press" as a whole. That goes back to being in situations that they reported on, and what they reported was a complete lie. And over the last 40 years, they have done nothing to improve my opinion of them.

You stated:



What they actually said, and I quote:



What they are saying here is that their data is incomplete. Note also that they said the data probably understates such infections. The infections referenced are "breakthrough" infections, those that are vaxxed and still caught Covid.

That does not change my statement that the AP analysis is meaningless in that they did not have good data to work with. The basis of their report, the core of their presentation, is based upon faulty data. So why should I draw a conclusion that their report is factual when the basis of their report is admitted in the article to be incomplete and "probably" understates the number of breakthrough infections?

I honestly wish they were giving all of us better data, I really do. But after working with the federal government for 28 years I have learned that when they make definitive statements, based upon faulty data, then their statement is fundamentally flawed.

So I do not feel that my skepticism of the AP report is unwarranted.

Thank you and I don't have an issue with your skepticism at all. You are of course free to interpret it anyway you decide. I don't have an issue if you draw different conclusions. Or if you believe there was not sufficient data to support their conclusion.

But for you to call it a lie when the article clearly laid out the limitations of the data they were using? There was no deception there - they stated what data they used and its limitations. That is completely different from your disagreement with the conclusion and does not make sense to me.

(The above is by way of an explanation of why I initially chose not to respond.)

But, I believe each of us has spent enough time on this solitary article, don't you?

 

[Lone_Hawk]

Of course, most here will not believe it but:

I appreciate your acknowledging in your OP the reason why many of us would not believe the AP article that you posted. We should all be wary of what the media puts out. Thank you.

 

[CaryC]

Ooops am wondering if: Houston we have a problem.

Jen Psaki Bails on White House Briefing After Public Relations Disaster

Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki withdrew from her public role after struggling to explain President Joe Biden’s new masking requirements set by federal health officials.
Psaki did not travel with the president during his trip to Pennsylvania on Wednesday and she is not scheduled to appear at the White House press briefing on Thursday.

The White House did not respond to a question from Breitbart News about Psaki’s absence.

Psaki’s duties are currently being shouldered by Deputy Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre who answered reporters’ questions on Biden’s trip Wednesday and is expected to appear on camera in front of reporters on Thursday at the daily briefing.
On Tuesday, Psaki struggled to explain the Centers for Disease Control’s new guidance on masks, admitting it was “slightly awkward timing.”
Psaki punted any questions about the new masking advisories to the CDC, as Biden and White House staff spent the past 48 hours mostly silent while federal health officials took charge of the coronavirus pandemic narrative.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki gestures as she speaks at a daily press briefing in the James Brady Press Briefing Room of the White House on July 27, 2021 in Washington, DC. Psaki fielded questions from reporters on the potential updated CDC guidance on indoor mask-wearing for those vaccinated against COVID-19. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images)
“Our responsibility here is to always lead with the science and always leave with the advice of health and medical experts,” Psaki said. “And we’re going to continue to provide information to all of you about how to protect yourself and save your lives.”

Jen Psaki Bails on White House Briefing After Public Relations Disaster (breitbart.com)

Please notice the second sign in the article "Virtually All Hospitalizations and Deaths are among the Unvaccinated People"

BTW in MS just for informational purposes we are having a spike 1900 new cases today, and 1800 yesterday with a very low death rate 4 today, and 6 yesterday.

Saw on OAN a doctor (from the Waco area and professor at Baylor) said while the delta variant is more highly contagious it is less deadly. That would seem to bear out in MS at least over the last few days anyway, and now I'm watching)

 

[CaryC]

You did notice my previous post, right? Post #136 AND the sign behind Saki in the second picture:

Over One Quarter of Coronavirus Cases in LA County Are Among Fully Vaccinated

Over one quarter of Los Angeles County’s new cases of the Chinese coronavirus are among fully vaccinated people, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer revealed this week.
During a meeting with the County Board of Supervisors, Ferrer said cases are rising among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, although cases are rising faster among the unvaccinated population. Nonetheless, over 25 percent of new coronavirus cases are occurring in individuals who are considered fully vaccinated.

“In June, fully vaccinated people represent 20 percent of all of the cases diagnosed among residents, while partially vaccinated people accounted for 80 percent of the cases,” she said.
“Over the period of July 1 through July 16 … there were 13,598 cases diagnosed in LA County and unvaccinated people represented 74 percent of all of the cases. Fully vaccinated people represented 26 percent or 3,592 of the cases,” she continued, although she surmised that the numbers would be far worse if not for the vaccinated population, guessing that average daily cases likely would have doubled.

People wait for the movie to start in the first open-air theater in the heart of Hollywood opened by Cinelounge in the parking lot behind the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood, California on July 28, 2021. (VALERIE MACON/AFP via Getty Images)
“It is really important, I think, for us to be reminded that if 50 – if the 50 percent of our residents that are fully vaccinated were not vaccinated, not only would these green slices not exist at all, the orange portions of these bars would be much larger,” she said, referencing a chart.
“We think that they would perhaps be double in size because everyone would have instead have had the same risk of infection, as unvaccinated people do,” she continued.

“So instead of averaging 2,400 daily cases this past week, our daily case numbers may have instead to closer to 5,000 new cases a day,” Ferrer added, noting that the number of fully vaccinated people will increase as more are vaccinated.
“And with the delta variant that’s far more infectious, exposures to infections have also increased,” she said.
Watch:

Fox 5 reported:

According to LA County Public Health, through July 16:
0.27% of people who were fully vaccinated with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine tested positive for COVID
0.09% of those who were fully vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine tested positive for COVID
0.15% of those who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine tested positive for COVID

LA County was one of the first major areas of the nation to usher back mask mandates, requiring individuals to wear masks indoors, even if they are fully vaccinated. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) followed suit weeks later, urging fully vaccinated people to “wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission.”

On Tuesday, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky admitted officials are worried the coronavirus is just “a few mutations” away from evading vaccines.

One Quarter of Coronavirus Cases in LA County Are Among Fully Vaccinated (breitbart.com)

Is there a difference in "Virtally ALL" and "A quarter of"?

And these are the ones they are admitting to. It should also be noted that in non common core math if you add 20% and 80% = 100% of the cases in LA are among those with full or partial vax, and there fore none of them are among the unvaxxed.

It is also based on a statically risk factor, meaning if all things being equal the same result would take place, and that is simply not true. Seeing that there are multiple levels of unknowns allergic reactions being one.

 

[Mprepared]

Once in the past pretty much everyone had to get a smallpox vaccination, hell I got 3.
Every kid now gets a whole slew of vaccinations when they are born or they cant go to school. This is one case where I think they give too many, too fact. Spread them out a lot more.

No not everyone HAD to get a smallpox vaccination. The parents made a CHOICE to get their children vaccinated and nobody forced them. It is NOT TRUE you can't go to school. People have been saying this more and more each generation. Schools did require but you could use religion exemption. Because people believe they HAVE TO get vaccinated we lose more rights. If you WANT to get vaccinated then get vaccinated. Now some states are making it mandatory to have like you said a "whole slew of vaccinations" so people just go do it because they believe they have to.

 

[mourningdove]

None of the current vaccines purport to be 100% effective. The odds are in my favor that, being vaccinated, I should be safe from the virus. However, I am choosing to put the blankety blank mask back on because it’s not worth the risk and because I live in a state that has an unacceptable level of vaccinated residents.

 

[Jubilee on Earth]

99% of the hyperventilating is being done by antivaxers putting out the latest twitter conspiracy they come across.

Here’s the thing, though. When you’ve seen enough evidence of it, it’s no longer a conspiracy. I know three individuals (one is a relative) who were perfectly happy, healthy, normally developing toddlers who became severely—meaning non-verbal or barely verbal—autistic after developing high fevers after getting vaccinated. And yet, it’s still considered tin-foil-hat to connect the dots between autism and vaccines.

On top of that, I know two females who had permanent repercussions after taking the Gardasil HPV vaccine. One got Renaud’s syndrome, and the other developed uterine cancer at the age of 22 (less than a year after getting the vaccine).

I am not anti-vax, and I understand there’s a purpose and need for them in certain circumstances. Yet I do not trust any of the pharmaceutical companies whatsoever, and especially these days, the government even less. My thyroid medicine has been recalled THREE times over the last year due to quality issues and incorrect dosage of the ingredients. If they can’t even make a simple thyroid medicine correctly, how can I have faith that there is quality control with the COVID vaccine when it’s being pushed out to the public in such a frenzy and on such a massive scale?

That’s not even getting into the fact that not a single person can tell me what the long-term effects are, or what the potential adverse interactions with other medicines are.

So with all due respect, the folks who are declining to participate in this grand-scale experiment are doing so out of evidence-based caution and lack of information, not because of some latest “conspiracy theory.”

 

[Mprepared]

Here’s the thing, though. When you’ve seen enough evidence of it, it’s no longer a conspiracy.

I am noticing more and more people adding on to their statements, I am not anti-vax, like that is a badge. So beat down in this country to believe all this crap. Like you said, cannot even make a thyroid medication. All the recalls and damage and big, big news, Vioxx might have caused a death or boom boom to some adult, but to heck with the damaged children and untold number dead and the injuries who knows how high those numbers go and still the crap is almost forced on people and then people feel they need to explain why they do not want a covid vaccine. They have to apologize and make sure they are not thought of as one of those anti people who are worried their child might stop breathing if they gave who knows how many vaccines in one shot in the doctor's office. Oh, don't be anti, be brainwashed.

People need to be able to make decisions for themselves what is good or bad for their family and people leave them alone. Some girl I know is telling people she is going to have a stomach stapling done and does not want to hear how bad and given diet information. She has already over the years decided not to have the surgery and tried diets, so not working and for her already 3 heart attacks since her special vaccine, this stapling her stomach might actually help. Now on blood thinners since her vaccine. I agree with her now. Years ago, no, stomach stapling bad. Different strokes different folks.

I have had pulmonary embolism twice and on baby aspirin now. Had bad virus called chickenpox and hematologist told me my inflammatory markers were elevated and would come down and every 3 months did come down while I was on a blood thinner that was wrecking my kidneys, so I stopped it and thought I was safe and had pulmonary embolism the second time after catching a respiratory virus when I took my daughter to the hospital and the whole place full of sick people and that was in 2018 and nobody had a mask, oxygen, holding on to IV cart thing, waiting in a room for test results, Hospital almost filled to the brim back then, but no emergency, no mask mandate. I tried to stand in the hall but people out there on gurneys, so I did catch whatever was going around and I guess enough to elevate inflammatory markers.

I am on a baby aspirin and I had blood work done on my own from a chiropractor's office and I had elevated inflammatory markers still and all kinds of stuff wrong and that was in early 2020 right before covid was known, so I have had a year to lose weight and be smart, but did I, NO. I am using my freedom of choice to decide is it safe to take a vaccine that may raise my inflammatory markers or instead of may it will and I could die of blood clots instantly or in a few days or do I take a chance and not get a vaccine that might or will kill me and stay home, stay away from people, wear a mask, take vitamins and D3, which my D3 level was normal, and I know nobody is going to make me go for a walk, go on a diet, and I have to do this on my own. My freedom. Probably would be better if somebody got a whip and chased me a mile or 2 and make me walk but I should not have to explain or say oh I do not think that is safe, but I an not an anti. I am thinking on my own. Might be stupid but my choice. I try to eat right, I take vitamins.

Oh and take seatbelt laws. All for our own good and if you do not wear a seatbelt then you are breaking the law. It is like a badge of honor and even have seen it on medical question forms. Do you wear a seatbelt? My dad was in a car accident back in the 1960s before seatbelt laws and he was a passenger in the front and guy driving was on icy road, lost control and the car went end over end. My dad ended up in the floor of the backseat, the driver went out the door onto the road and broke his arm. My dad did not have a scratch and the policeman told my dad if he had a seatbelt on he would be dead. The motor was in the front seat, so people need to think. How many people go around a lake on icy roads and wear a seatbelt. Maybe should take that seatbelt off next to water. I thought of that after they found some missing people under the water with seatbelts on, could not get out.

We are all going to make good and bad decisions but now even the president of the United States is calling us stupid. All the news people, doctors, friends, family, if not stupid then saying we are uncaring, selfish. Name calling has just convinced me more that they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[vector7]

Biden on why vaccinated people need to wear masks: “Even if you’ve been fully vaccinated ... you could have the Delta variant in your system.”

So, they finally admit the vaxx doesn't work.

Question to the vaxxed: if the jab doesn't work as advertised, what exactly did they inject you with and why?
RT 1min

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1420848902400446468

View: https://twitter.com/YouMayCallMeV1/status/1420848902400446468?s=19

 

[Dozdoats]

They want you dead.

 

[Snettrecker]

Of course, most here will not believe it but:

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated (apnews.com)

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data.

Among them: Only about 45 states report breakthrough infections, and some are more aggressive than others in looking for such cases. So the data probably understates such infections, CDC officials said.

Still, the overall trend that emerges from the data echoes what many health care authorities are seeing around the country and what top experts are saying.

Earlier this month, Andy Slavitt, a former adviser to the Biden administration on COVID-19, suggested that 98% to 99% of the Americans dying of the coronavirus are unvaccinated.

And CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said on Tuesday that the vaccine is so effective that “nearly every death, especially among adults, due to COVID-19, is, at this point, entirely preventable.” She called such deaths “particularly tragic.”

Not arguing, but I'm a ER nurse with many nurse contacts on nursing forums and such. There are many reports that hospitals aren't allowing covid tests on vaccinated patients. Even the ones dying from respiratory symptoms. Just wanting to point out that the data might be skewed a bit.

 

[SmithJ]

Not arguing, but I'm a ER nurse with many nurse contacts on nursing forums and such. There are many reports that hospitals aren't allowing covid tests on vaccinated patients. Even the ones dying from respiratory symptoms. Just wanting to point out that the data might be skewed a bit.

And there is a comment in the article to the effect that vaccinated persons could be somewhat undercounted.

If it is by any great margin, I’m sure we’ll begin to hear more about it soon. That doesn’t seem to be the type of thing they can keep quiet long.

Is it any easier now for an ill, unhospitalized person to get tested?

 

[Snettrecker]

If it is, I’m sure we’ll begin to hear more about it soon. That doesn’t seem to be the type of thing they can keep quiet long.

Is it any easier now for an ill, unhospitalized person to get tested?

In Tennessee, you can still elect to go to the health department to get tested and to get a vaccine if desired. Not sure about other places.

Also, was listening to NPR Tuesday morning headed home from work and they had a board member from Pfizer on there and he was saying that the numbers are seriously messed up because the cdc only looks at historical data and sucks at predicting anything. He said that there are way more people infected and was implying that the current wave would be over faster than people were predicting because the virus is going to run out of hosts... basically herd immunity. I was astonished that they were allowing this to be said on their platform and they weren't interrupting him.

 

[greysage]

Dr. Craig Waxman D.O. shares the deadly truth about the shot and calls out the medical profession.

5 minute run time.

Dr. Craig Wax: An "Open Letter" to The White House, CDC and FDA (check links)

Dr. Craig Wax shares his thoughts about the benefits vs. risk of the "vaccine." (Health Ranger Report) Also watch "Passionate Italian Doctor VIDEO BOMBS A COMMERCIAL SET!" https://www.bitchute.com/video/vteaY1RzEwsE/ and "45,000+ DEAD FROM EXPERI…

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[et2]

The only ones hyperventilating and calling names and feeling persecuted and threatening others are the anti vaxers here.
I, my family, most of my neighborhood have been vaccinated with no ill effects and no covid hospitalizations yet.
I hope others eventually get vaxed, but I'm not losing sleep over it unless it causes the lockdowns to come back.
99% of the hyperventilating is being done by antivaxers putting out the latest twitter conspiracy they come across.
You all like anything that confirms your already held beliefs and refuse to even consider anything that does not.

Live your life how you want. It's your choice. If sometime in the future circumstances force you to get the vaccination, well that's your problem not mine. And I'm sure you'll deal with it in your own way.
Once in the past pretty much everyone had to get a smallpox vaccination, hell I got 3.
Every kid now gets a whole slew of vaccinations when they are born or they cant go to school. This is one case where I think they give too many, too fact. Spread them out a lot more.

Anyway, life goes on for most of us, but one day for each of us, it won't.
Best advice is to always be ready for that day. Many say they are, but few really are.

Terry you consistently ignore people here giving you “their first hand experience” and those of their family and friends. You constantly ignore them, and on cue, like a broken record tell us of your family and neighbors over and over like it’s the end all to the debate. Your experience is minuscule and very myopic

The good people TB2K and their first hand experiences are much more of a indicator of what is really happening in this country in comparison to your vaccine preaching. You’re are doing a disservice to this community, the good people here and the public as a whole.

Where‘s the day and night public programming on TV, and Fake News of people telling everyone not to get the vaccine …to the point of nauseating? There isn’t and you know it. All we hear is people like you, shaming, blaming, and bad mouthing us for thinking, seeing, hearing, and researching, while we make the best decisions for ourselves, and our families.

You‘re really doing a great job, China Joe is proud of you and those like you. Maybe when he starts his door to door campaign you should volunteer. You would fit right in. You’re a great projectionist.

 

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Not arguing, but I'm a ER nurse with many nurse contacts on nursing forums and such. There are many reports that hospitals aren't allowing covid tests on vaccinated patients. Even the ones dying from respiratory symptoms. Just wanting to point out that the data might be skewed a bit.

exactly … heard it from multiple people who got vaccinated and extremely sick. Two who can no longer work as they can’t function as before the vaccine.

 

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