Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Who would actually become President of the United States?
If Something Happened To Donald Trump
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Pence
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Now that the EC has been accepted and validated Pence would be inaugurated if something happened between now and 1-20-17 1201 pm.
nd yes, it would NOT be pretty. PERHAPS things would wait until he had been buried, but that would take IMMENSE restraint. Things would LIKELY start small but develop MUCH faster thn ANYONE expects.
nd yes, it would NOT be pretty. PERHAPS things would wait until he had been buried, but that would take IMMENSE restraint. Things would LIKELY start small but develop MUCH faster thn ANYONE expects.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Well, if this happened...... Pence would be the new elites puppet...... but with some input. He has a brain.... for some things, unlike the predecessor.
Yup, if Trump goes, the establishment has not skipped a beat. Pence is an elite politician and the entire team in place would immediately transition, oops, I mean continue in the same vein as the last administration.
Trump is the key. IF he is at the controls, he will be the governing body. This is predicated on his ability to create and maintain a loyal staff. Only time will tell, the future is up for grabs, or in some cases, to hold tight to. I believe Trump is a product of God....and all that entails. I surely hope he is. I'd like another four years of "normalcy", before it goes over the edge. A lot can happen in that time, to all of our benefits, maybe.
Yup, if Trump goes, the establishment has not skipped a beat. Pence is an elite politician and the entire team in place would immediately transition, oops, I mean continue in the same vein as the last administration.
Trump is the key. IF he is at the controls, he will be the governing body. This is predicated on his ability to create and maintain a loyal staff. Only time will tell, the future is up for grabs, or in some cases, to hold tight to. I believe Trump is a product of God....and all that entails. I surely hope he is. I'd like another four years of "normalcy", before it goes over the edge. A lot can happen in that time, to all of our benefits, maybe.
FaithfulSkeptic
Carrying the mantle of doubt
Assuming something happened: And when they'd trod out a patsy, it's likely everyone would accept it ... again. There'd be some ruffle feathers, tensions, the odd fist fights, and tough talk on the internet, but I honestly don't know if it would ever escalate to anything more than a Bundy occupation of some obscure building that held no advantage.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Get a grip. Trump is going to be fine and will be sworn in on Friday. The special snowflakes will not shut down DC. CW II is not going to start before then. A comet is not going to hit the earth and cause a massive tidal wave.
TPTB are off licking their wounds and re-grouping. I don't expect any major problems from them until spring, if then.
In the meantime, don't go borrowing trouble. The weather is already an issue in many parts of the country. Oh, yeah. It's Gore's fault. (-;
TPTB are off licking their wounds and re-grouping. I don't expect any major problems from them until spring, if then.
In the meantime, don't go borrowing trouble. The weather is already an issue in many parts of the country. Oh, yeah. It's Gore's fault. (-;
FaithfulSkeptic
Carrying the mantle of doubt
I can get behind that.
Ben Sunday
Deceased
A useful and rational observation. Thank you!
Last Resort
Veteran Member
Pretty much this. A Kennedy style open assassination won't happen, and if it did, Pence would have NO credibility, nor would the Repubs in CONgress, ANY of them. The fallout would make people look back on the 1960s with nostalgia for the peaceful, good old days. It's in nobody's interest for that to happen.
Everyone knows it was the head of the Warren Commission.
Ok the name is.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Gerald Ford
bev
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wasn't Earl Warren the head of the Warren Commission? Otherwise it would have been called the Ford Commission.
There are 95 million people who are capable of working, want to work, and can't find any. They have fallen off of welfare rolls. And they are desperate. They have had to sit and see 0 treat illegal aliens like Americans and have seen Americans treated like illegal aliens.
And they are desperate.
A glimmer of hope came for these 95 million people with Trump and his desire to put America and Americans first.
Taking that hope away from that many desperate people who are barely hanging on by their finger tips is not going to be handled by parading a patsy.
The system failed America and Americans. If that system takes America's only hope, real Americans, with nothing left to lose, will dismantle the entire establishment. Person by person and brick by brick.
I believe so and hope so.
nomifyle
TB Fanatic
Thank you, and an aside on Pence, I do think he has already learned from Trump and would not be a puppet.
Judy
Who are the President's from America's past who have railed against the entrenched establishment, and what happened to those men who put America before the elites?
Smelly hippies aren't the concern.
Those practiced in the art of 'regime change' who are practicing their art here in America are the ones I am concerned about.
Or have you just tuned out the open warfare between Trump and the 'intelligence' community, the msm, and oligarchy mouth pieces like mccain, graham, lewis, ryan, etc? There are open calls - by government officials - to have the election results ignored as they label Trump 'illegitimate'.
There is open cold warfare going on in the highest levels of government, it is happening publicly, and we have never seen the like in the common era.
But feel free to see what you want.
Medical Maven
Deceased
Three assassination scenarios could trigger a violent blowback.
(1) A lone assassin purportedly mentally ill who is immediately killed, (Jack Ruby deja vu).
(2) A professional hit via explosives, sniper fire that is not immediately resolved. (This is the most toxic scenario).
(3) Trump dies suddenly under suspicious circumstances, (poisoning/heart attack).
The MSM would exacerbate the blowback by immediately suggesting that Trump had it coming. What did he expect?
The only thing that might stop a violent blowback would be for Pence to pledge to double-down on each and every promise that Trump made. Pence would have to make this pledge repeatedly, go overboard in this regard. And he would have to stretch the Executive Order route of changing things in order to quell unrest.
In other words, Pence would have to immediately show that he would be as much a nightmare for the elites as Trump could ever be.
And Pence would have to have a Vice-President who was firmly on board with the Trump agenda.
If the above did not happen to the nth degree, the "troubles" would start, all kinds of "troubles".
(1) A lone assassin purportedly mentally ill who is immediately killed, (Jack Ruby deja vu).
(2) A professional hit via explosives, sniper fire that is not immediately resolved. (This is the most toxic scenario).
(3) Trump dies suddenly under suspicious circumstances, (poisoning/heart attack).
The MSM would exacerbate the blowback by immediately suggesting that Trump had it coming. What did he expect?
The only thing that might stop a violent blowback would be for Pence to pledge to double-down on each and every promise that Trump made. Pence would have to make this pledge repeatedly, go overboard in this regard. And he would have to stretch the Executive Order route of changing things in order to quell unrest.
In other words, Pence would have to immediately show that he would be as much a nightmare for the elites as Trump could ever be.
And Pence would have to have a Vice-President who was firmly on board with the Trump agenda.
If the above did not happen to the nth degree, the "troubles" would start, all kinds of "troubles".
Do you think Putin has seen enough regime change to recognize it when he sees it?
Putin Warns Of "Maidan-Style" Attempt To Delegitimize Trump; Calls Trump Dossier Creators "Worse Than Prostitutes"
by Tyler Durden
Jan 17, 2017 9:17 AM
Warning that a "soft coup" is being waged against Donald Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he sees attempts in the United States to "delegitimize" US President-elect Donald Trump using "Maidan-style" methods previously used in Ukraine, where readers will recall president Yanukovich was ousted in 2014 following a violent coup, which many suspect was conducted under the auspices of the US State Department and assorted US intelligence operations.
Putin said he doesn’t believe that Donald Trump met with prostitutes in Russia, calling the accusations part of a campaign to undermine the election result, and suggested that an internal political struggle is underway in the United States despite the fact that the presidential election is over, and added that reports of alleged Russian dossier on Trump are fake as "our security services do not chase every US billionaire."
Unsubstantiated allegations made against Trump are “obvious fabrications,” Putin told reporters in the Kremlin on Tuesday. “People who order fakes of the type now circulating against the U.S. president-elect, who concoct them and use them in a political battle, are worse than prostitutes because they don’t have any moral boundaries at all,” he said.
The Russian president, cited by BBG, said that Trump wasn’t a politician when he visited Moscow in the past and Russian officials weren’t aware that he held any political ambitions.
Putin did not stop there and said that the compromising report compiled on Trump was a "hoax", and said those who ordered the Trump dossier are "worse than prostitutes."
Putin, who reiterated he had never met Trump, said he hoped that Moscow and Washington could eventually get their troubled relations back to normal, adding he has no reasons to "attack or defend him."
"I don't know Mr. Trump personally, I have never met him and don't know what he will do on the international arena. So I have no grounds to attack him or criticize him for anything, or protect him or whatever," Putin said.
Putin noted that there is a category of people who leave without saying goodbye, "out of respect for the present situation," while others say goodbye all the time, but do not go away. "The outgoing administration, in my opinion, belongs to the second category," he said.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...timize-trump-calls-trump-dossier-creators-wor
Putin Warns Of "Maidan-Style" Attempt To Delegitimize Trump; Calls Trump Dossier Creators "Worse Than Prostitutes"
by Tyler Durden
Jan 17, 2017 9:17 AM
Warning that a "soft coup" is being waged against Donald Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he sees attempts in the United States to "delegitimize" US President-elect Donald Trump using "Maidan-style" methods previously used in Ukraine, where readers will recall president Yanukovich was ousted in 2014 following a violent coup, which many suspect was conducted under the auspices of the US State Department and assorted US intelligence operations.
Putin said he doesn’t believe that Donald Trump met with prostitutes in Russia, calling the accusations part of a campaign to undermine the election result, and suggested that an internal political struggle is underway in the United States despite the fact that the presidential election is over, and added that reports of alleged Russian dossier on Trump are fake as "our security services do not chase every US billionaire."
Unsubstantiated allegations made against Trump are “obvious fabrications,” Putin told reporters in the Kremlin on Tuesday. “People who order fakes of the type now circulating against the U.S. president-elect, who concoct them and use them in a political battle, are worse than prostitutes because they don’t have any moral boundaries at all,” he said.
The Russian president, cited by BBG, said that Trump wasn’t a politician when he visited Moscow in the past and Russian officials weren’t aware that he held any political ambitions.
Putin did not stop there and said that the compromising report compiled on Trump was a "hoax", and said those who ordered the Trump dossier are "worse than prostitutes."
Putin, who reiterated he had never met Trump, said he hoped that Moscow and Washington could eventually get their troubled relations back to normal, adding he has no reasons to "attack or defend him."
"I don't know Mr. Trump personally, I have never met him and don't know what he will do on the international arena. So I have no grounds to attack him or criticize him for anything, or protect him or whatever," Putin said.
Putin noted that there is a category of people who leave without saying goodbye, "out of respect for the present situation," while others say goodbye all the time, but do not go away. "The outgoing administration, in my opinion, belongs to the second category," he said.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...timize-trump-calls-trump-dossier-creators-wor
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Gerald Ford...some of us have lived awhile...
Wise Owl
Deceased
Thank you Meems. Glad to see I am not the only one thinking positive about this. And praying mulitiple times a day over it.
That is a great trivia question!
My first thought was Grant but then I remembered Spiro Agnew resigning with Ford replacing Agnew and then Nixon.
Gerald Rudolph Ford, Jr. (born Leslie Lynch King, Jr.; July 14, 1913 – December 26, 2006) was an American politician who served as the 38th President of the United States from 1974 to 1977. Prior to this he was the 40th Vice President of the United States, serving from 1973 until President Richard Nixon's resignation in 1974. He was the first person appointed to the vice presidency under the terms of the 25th Amendment, following the resignation of Vice President Spiro Agnew on October 10, 1973. Becoming president upon Richard Nixon's departure on August 9, 1974, he claimed the distinction as the first and to date only person to have served as both Vice President and President of the United States without being elected to either office.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
Oh yeah, the perma RINO and best friends with lyin ryin will look at a dead TRUMP and exclaim, Now is the time to continue with TRUMPS policies..........NOT!
TRUMPS murder will prove Pence was put there by the GOPe to put a sold out rino on the throne.
Civil War Two Is Underway - What's Left In The CIA's Bag Of Tricks?
by Tyler Durden
Jan 17, 2017 9:07 AM
Submitted by Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com,
I dunno about you, but I rather enjoy watching the praetorian Deep State go batshit crazy as the day of Trump’s apotheosis approacheth. I imagine a lot of men and women running down the halls of Langley and the Pentagon and a hundred other secret operational redoubts with their hair on fire, wondering how on earth they can neutralize the ****er in the four days remaining.
What’s left in their trick-bag? Bake a poison cheesecake for the inaugural lunch? CIA Chief John Brennan has been reduced to blowing raspberries at the incoming president. Maybe some code cowboys In the Utah NSA fortress can find a way to crash all the markets on Friday as an inauguration present. What does it take? A few strategic HFT spoofs? There will be lots of police sharpshooters on the DC rooftops that day. What might go wrong?
Civil War Two is underway, with an interesting echo of Civil War One: Trump dissed Civil Rights sacred icon Georgia congressman John Lewis, descendant of slaves, after said icon castigated Trump as “not a legitimate president.” That now prompts a congressional walk-out of the swearing-in ceremony. The New York Times is acting like a Manhattan socialite in a divorce proceeding, with fresh hysterics every day, reminding readers in a front-page story on Monday that “[Martin Luther] King’s birthday falls within days of the birthdays of two Confederate generals, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.” Jeez! Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters?
There’s not much Trump can do until Friday noon except tweet out his tweets, but one can’t help but wonder what the Deep State can do after that magic moment passes. I’ve maintained for nearly a year that, if elected, Trump would be removed by a coup d’état within sixty days of assuming office, and I still think that’s a pretty good call — though I hope it doesn’t come to that, of course. My view of this was only confirmed by Trump’s performance at last week’s press conference, which seemed, shall we say, a little light on presidential decorum.
Perhaps it befits this particular Deep State to go down in the manner of an opéra bouffe. History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce, old Karl Marx observed. What does the Union stand for this time? The rights of former SEC employees to sell their services to CitiBank? The rights of competing pharma companies to jack the price of insulin up from $20 to $250 a vial? The rights of DIA subcontractors to sell Semtex plastic explosives to the “moderate” jihadis of the Middle East?
So the theme of the moment is that Donald Trump is a bigger crook than the servants and vassals of the Deep State. He ran for president so he could sell more steaks and whiskey under the Trump brand. He’s in violation of the emoluments clause in the constitution. Well, I’m not aware that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, or Andrew Jackson put their slaves in a blind trust after they became president. Anyway, at this point in our history, nobody can beat the Deep State for financial turpitude, certainly not a single real estate and hotel magnate.
I guess the big question is whether the Deep State — and, yes, Virginia, the Deep State does exist, unlike Santa Claus — will tear the country apart in the attempt to defend all its ill-gotten perquisites and privileges. The public at large is restive, eager to get on with the job of deconstructing the matrix of racketeering that adds up to the immiserating culture we live in, a society where health insurance company presidents make $40 million a year while ordinary people lose their homes because a $5,000-deductible health insurance policy doesn’t cover the cost of treating a routine tonsillectomy.
I didn’t vote for the Cheeto-head sonofabitch, but it will be interesting to see what he does between noon and six p.m. Friday, if he survives the festivities.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-17/civil-war-two-underway-whats-left-cias-bag-tricks
by Tyler Durden
Jan 17, 2017 9:07 AM
Submitted by Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com,
I dunno about you, but I rather enjoy watching the praetorian Deep State go batshit crazy as the day of Trump’s apotheosis approacheth. I imagine a lot of men and women running down the halls of Langley and the Pentagon and a hundred other secret operational redoubts with their hair on fire, wondering how on earth they can neutralize the ****er in the four days remaining.
What’s left in their trick-bag? Bake a poison cheesecake for the inaugural lunch? CIA Chief John Brennan has been reduced to blowing raspberries at the incoming president. Maybe some code cowboys In the Utah NSA fortress can find a way to crash all the markets on Friday as an inauguration present. What does it take? A few strategic HFT spoofs? There will be lots of police sharpshooters on the DC rooftops that day. What might go wrong?
Civil War Two is underway, with an interesting echo of Civil War One: Trump dissed Civil Rights sacred icon Georgia congressman John Lewis, descendant of slaves, after said icon castigated Trump as “not a legitimate president.” That now prompts a congressional walk-out of the swearing-in ceremony. The New York Times is acting like a Manhattan socialite in a divorce proceeding, with fresh hysterics every day, reminding readers in a front-page story on Monday that “[Martin Luther] King’s birthday falls within days of the birthdays of two Confederate generals, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.” Jeez! Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters?
There’s not much Trump can do until Friday noon except tweet out his tweets, but one can’t help but wonder what the Deep State can do after that magic moment passes. I’ve maintained for nearly a year that, if elected, Trump would be removed by a coup d’état within sixty days of assuming office, and I still think that’s a pretty good call — though I hope it doesn’t come to that, of course. My view of this was only confirmed by Trump’s performance at last week’s press conference, which seemed, shall we say, a little light on presidential decorum.
Perhaps it befits this particular Deep State to go down in the manner of an opéra bouffe. History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce, old Karl Marx observed. What does the Union stand for this time? The rights of former SEC employees to sell their services to CitiBank? The rights of competing pharma companies to jack the price of insulin up from $20 to $250 a vial? The rights of DIA subcontractors to sell Semtex plastic explosives to the “moderate” jihadis of the Middle East?
So the theme of the moment is that Donald Trump is a bigger crook than the servants and vassals of the Deep State. He ran for president so he could sell more steaks and whiskey under the Trump brand. He’s in violation of the emoluments clause in the constitution. Well, I’m not aware that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, or Andrew Jackson put their slaves in a blind trust after they became president. Anyway, at this point in our history, nobody can beat the Deep State for financial turpitude, certainly not a single real estate and hotel magnate.
I guess the big question is whether the Deep State — and, yes, Virginia, the Deep State does exist, unlike Santa Claus — will tear the country apart in the attempt to defend all its ill-gotten perquisites and privileges. The public at large is restive, eager to get on with the job of deconstructing the matrix of racketeering that adds up to the immiserating culture we live in, a society where health insurance company presidents make $40 million a year while ordinary people lose their homes because a $5,000-deductible health insurance policy doesn’t cover the cost of treating a routine tonsillectomy.
I didn’t vote for the Cheeto-head sonofabitch, but it will be interesting to see what he does between noon and six p.m. Friday, if he survives the festivities.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-17/civil-war-two-underway-whats-left-cias-bag-tricks
This path leads to a horror show nobody in this country is prepared for, but I'll say what many are thinking:
If something (read: an assassination attempt that succeeds) happens to Trump and it comes back on anyone in, or even remotely connected to, Washington DC, the hunting down and killing of Federal-level politicians begins. It's likely just that simple.
Killing Trump, or "disappearing" him, or anything that basically removes him from becoming President makes him a martyr to a 180-million-people-strong group of disenfranchised Americans, many of whom will see that action as an overt declaration of open warfare against them by principle. I've been thinking that the election of Trump is not only a giant middle-finger "**** you and everyone about you" to the "elite" of the US, it's also probably the last chance to use the voting box to effect change. People won't bother trying to vote for a better government if it hamstrings or kills off duly-elected representatives, and killing Trump (or killing his ability to act as President) would basically show the world that the American system of regularly rotating democratically-elected leadership has failed. The only box that remains after this is the ammo box.
Remember, only about 15% of the populace got involved with the last Civil War. We have way, way more players in the game this time around.
There's practically zero chance of "something happening to Trump" ending well.
If something (read: an assassination attempt that succeeds) happens to Trump and it comes back on anyone in, or even remotely connected to, Washington DC, the hunting down and killing of Federal-level politicians begins. It's likely just that simple.
Killing Trump, or "disappearing" him, or anything that basically removes him from becoming President makes him a martyr to a 180-million-people-strong group of disenfranchised Americans, many of whom will see that action as an overt declaration of open warfare against them by principle. I've been thinking that the election of Trump is not only a giant middle-finger "**** you and everyone about you" to the "elite" of the US, it's also probably the last chance to use the voting box to effect change. People won't bother trying to vote for a better government if it hamstrings or kills off duly-elected representatives, and killing Trump (or killing his ability to act as President) would basically show the world that the American system of regularly rotating democratically-elected leadership has failed. The only box that remains after this is the ammo box.
Remember, only about 15% of the populace got involved with the last Civil War. We have way, way more players in the game this time around.
There's practically zero chance of "something happening to Trump" ending well.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
And what if Pence was taken out at the same time as Trump, so that there wasn't time for him to appoint a VP? PAUL RYAN would be president immediately as he's next in line. Chew on that for a while....
HD
Vegas321
Live free and survive
If a coup of some sort happened, I would hope the military would restore the Republic. If not, CWII, without a doubt. Battles in every neighborhood id think. People would want payback, and go after the opposition targets.
Macgyver
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That may have been the auto-correct on the phone.Succession. Secession is something completely different. Look them up and see...
