OP-ED I cut off all contact with my mother.

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I hate WaPo but the topic is relevant. My favorite nephew refuses to speak to his mother. And he is happier. I cut off a toxic younger sister. And I'm happier.






https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4196724adb04


By Harriet Brown



January 19
At our holiday table this winter, no one stalked from the table in a huff or went home crying. My husband and I, my 86-year-old father, our younger daughter, home from grad school, and another couple shared a lovely and low-key dinner. And we have family estrangement to thank for that.


Ten years ago, after decades of bitter fights and lukewarm reconciliations, I finally got the courage to cut off my mother completely. Our relationship brought me nothing but nuclear-level angst. After even the smallest interaction — an email or text message — I’d have panic attacks that lasted weeks. I’d stop sleeping, eat too much, fall through a wormhole into utter self-loathing.


Deciding to estrange from my mother wasn’t an easy decision. For me, as for most people, it took an exchange so toxic, so far outside the boundaries of what’s acceptable, that something snapped inside me. My older daughter had been very sick with anorexia and my mother emailed me to say her illness was my fault and I should be grateful she was telling me this because it showed she loved me. But I was done with her.


Well-meaning family members called to warn that someday I’d regret cutting the tie. “You only get one mother,” they said. “What if she dies and you’re still estranged? How will you feel?” My mother died three years after our official estrangement, and my only regret is that I didn’t do it earlier. Much, much earlier.


The cultural narrative around estrangement is that it’s a problem that needs to be solved. We see and feel the supremacy of the genetically connected family in a thousand ways throughout childhood. By the time we’re adults it literally goes without saying. And so there are websites and books and articles meant to help families reconcile, with advice on everything from how to phrase an apology to how to take legal action. For some families, that helps.


But for the rest of us, that pressure to get back together makes everything worse. For us, estrangement isn’t a problem; it’s a solution to a problem, a response to an otherwise unsolvable dilemma. It’s a last resort when you’ve tried everything else over and over, when you no longer trust the relationship. When — as Ann Landers once wrote — you’re better off without the other person in your life.


I’ve interviewed more than 50 people who have estranged themselves from family members, and I have yet to meet a single one who regrets it. They regret whatever situation made it necessary. They regret not having a parent/sibling/family member they could come to terms with. They regret that their problems were severe enough to make estrangement look good. But they don’t regret doing it.


More than three-quarters of the participants in one study felt estrangement had made a positive difference in their lives. One woman I talked to who initiated an estrangement said her main feeling was relief, even liberation. Another told me it was as though she’d lived under a cloak of silence that had suddenly been lifted. A third said, “There really are cases where estrangement is the better course. It’s horrific, it’s sad, it’s tragic, and it’s better than the alternative.”


It’s also a lot more common than you might think. When researcher Kristina Scharp of the University of Washington first floated the idea of doing her dissertation on family estrangement, her PhD committee tried to talk her out of it because they thought she’d never find anybody. But when she put out her research call she was deluged with people who’d been through family estrangements and wanted to talk about their experience.


The most recent research suggests that up to 10 percent of mothers are estranged from at least one adult child, and that about 40 percent of people experience family estrangement at some point. Most people, though, fall somewhere less definitive on the estrangement continuum, a term coined by Scharp, one of the few researchers who studies the phenomenon. “Estranged sounds binary, like I’m either pregnant or I’m not pregnant,” she explains. “But I find that people are just more or less estranged.”
Some families talk by phone but never visit. Some email but never talk. Some see each other once or twice a year but keep their relationships superficial. Many sustain long periods of silence punctuated by brief reconciliations.



What they don’t typically do is talk to other people about being estranged from their families, for all sorts of reasons. Victoria, 44, one of the people I interviewed and who asked that her last name not be use to protect her privacy, says she used to tell people she and her husband spent Thanksgiving and Christmas with “family and friends,” even though she was estranged from her family. She worried that people would judge her for not having family to visit on those two days a year that you’re pretty much required to spend with blood relations.


And many people would. In my experience, estrangement makes people deeply uncomfortable. They wonder what’s wrong with you when you can’t get along with your family. They worry that if you can estrange yourself, maybe their parents/children/siblings could do that to them. Estrangement seems to threaten the primal order of things and opens the door to a lot of questions most of us would rather not think about.


Which explains, in part, why there’s so much pressure to reconcile, especially during the holidays, when we’re all trying to live up to the Hallmark version of reality. But that pressure usually does more harm than good, guilting people into unhappy and sometimes abusive relationships just because they share DNA.


“Imagine for a moment that these people have good reasons” to be estranged, says Scharp. “Telling them to get back together is not helping them.”
Estrangement, on the other hand, just might be saving their lives.
Harriet Brown is a professor of magazine journalism at the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University and the author of
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Some people are just healthier to do without than with. And you CAN fire family.

Sad, but true. Especially the sociopaths.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
As long as I can honestly say I'm not shoveling coal into the boiler of the crazy train and contributing to the show, yes, jumping from the train is entirely acceptable.

I've had manipulative people talk about Biblically adhering to the 70 times 7 forgiveness instuctions. This is different. It is just choosing not to be manipulated.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Yep... the biggest benefit to my mom's death was it freed me from ever having to talk to or try to be polite to the a-hole formerly known as my adopted younger brother. He's an alcoholic sociopath married to another sociopath ftom India, and they are raising a sociopathic mini-me daughter.

Mom and i were close, until the a-hole moved in with her (not to help her, although she had Parkinson's and was nearly blind... nope, he used her as a free nanny/babysitter/housekeeper and cook). After that, we rarely even had a phone conversation, because either the a-hole or his mini-me would interrupt and monopolize any conversation.

It was liberating to tell him to never call my phone again.

Summerthyme
 

annieosage

Inactive
Yep... the biggest benefit to my mom's death was it freed me from ever having to talk to or try to be polite to the a-hole formerly known as my adopted younger brother. He's an alcoholic sociopath married to another sociopath ftom India, and they are raising a sociopathic mini-me daughter.

Mom and i were close, until the a-hole moved in with her (not to help her, although she had Parkinson's and was nearly blind... nope, he used her as a free nanny/babysitter/housekeeper and cook). After that, we rarely even had a phone conversation, because either the a-hole or his mini-me would interrupt and monopolize any conversation.

It was liberating to tell him to never call my phone again.

Summerthyme

Same here. My Mom lived with my sister and we were all very close. Unfortunately, my niece is a psychopath and since Mom passed, I have chosen to no longer be around that part of the family. There is much much more to the story and some things done to me during the time of Mom's passing by my sister and niece that were unforgivable. The sad part is because I chose not to talk about it and gossip there are several mutual friends who no longer speak to me because they only know one side of the story. No one ever reached out to me to hear the truth of what I witnessed with my own eyes so be it. They don't want to hear the truth and ignore all the signs of a crazy person.

My niece has had drug and alcohols issues in the past and is very unstable. For my safety and the safety of both DD's, I refuse to play into the game anymore.

My SIL did finally after months reach out to me. Unfortunately I unloaded all the BS on her and was very emotional. We are now speaking and she understood my frustration and as I suspected, only heard part of the story.

Not downplaying losing a mom at all, but when you lose your soulmate, or God forbid even worse a child, your tolerance for bull shit becomes very low. Losing Mom was the final straw for me.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
You can pick your friends but not your family. Too bad that get togethers can become battle grounds and that people can't avoid fighting for a few hours.
 

Bones

Living On A Prayer
Glad we aren't alone. The two most rotten people my wife and I have ever encountered happen to be my brother and her brother.

Both are sociopathic liars. Mine is different from hers in that hers lies for fun to destroy every good relationship he identifies, while mine lies and believes his own BS.

Both are disavowed by all other siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews, aunts and uncles. Who clings to false hopes and fantasy that they're still family? The living parents of each my wife and myself.

Absolutely deplorable. As long as they're out of our family's life, it is better in all ways.
 

Trouble

Veteran Member
Loathe my mother, controlling, manipulative vile old hag who stabbed me in the back on numerous occasions.
 

JMG91

Veteran Member
Sounds like my MIL. I'd love to jump that train, but my husband doesn't see it. I think he's been stuck in that denial mode for so long, it's going to take him a long time--and a few more slip-ups on her part--for him to see the truth. She already tried to destroy my reputation and my SIL's by trying to get us to hate each other. Instead, we became close and uncovered her lies. My DH assures me that my MIL had the "best of intentions, despite how bad it looks." :kk1:
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Sounds like my MIL. I'd love to jump that train, but my husband doesn't see it. I think he's been stuck in that denial mode for so long, it's going to take him a long time--and a few more slip-ups on her part--for him to see the truth. She already tried to destroy my reputation and my SIL's by trying to get us to hate each other. Instead, we became close and uncovered her lies. My DH assures me that my MIL had the "best of intentions, despite how bad it looks." :kk1:

Sometimes intentions do not trump outcomes. I'm sorry for your situation, MIL problems have to be about the worst.
 

magnetic1

Veteran Member
And I am relieved to be done with my psychotic, bipolar, vicious eldest daughter. I cannot deal with her any longer and am very glad to not have anything to do with her anymore.

The stress relief the last few months has been huge!
 

JMG91

Veteran Member
Sometimes intentions do not trump outcomes. I'm sorry for your situation, MIL problems have to be about the worst.

That's what I told him. Of course, I know that her intentions were to be a pot stirrer. She even sent me a letter after the fact and tried to pin the "distance forming in our relationship" on something completely unrelated--which she knew perfectly well wasn't the case--and tried to manipulate me by telling me that "God wants us to have a right relationship." She's been on her best behavior ever since though; I think she gravely underestimated my mental strength. She's a narcissist who thought a little too highly of her manipulation skills because she's been getting away with it for so long. I think I scared the sh*t out of her. :lol:
 

kytom

escapee from reality
Some people are just healthier to do without than with. And you CAN fire family.

Sad, but true. Especially the sociopaths.
one of the worst things to discover is that ones mom is a sociopath. been there! done that!
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Told my evil/demented/sick-bitch younger sister to pack sand nearly 40 years ago. Took my other two younger siblings another twenty years later to finally come to the same realization to kick her to the curb as well. Some people are just so evil and toxic there is no saving them and it is far better to save yourself and break off any and all contact.
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
As long as I can honestly say I'm not shoveling coal into the boiler of the crazy train and contributing to the show, yes, jumping from the train is entirely acceptable.

I've had manipulative people talk about Biblically adhering to the 70 times 7 forgiveness instuctions. This is different. It is just choosing not to be manipulated.


You can forgive someone but you don't have to interact with them anymore.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
It's quite a liberating thing to cut toxic family members out of your life. I did it 6 years ago to all but 1 sibling, and nothing to do with the egg donor. Life has been good ever since.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
Manipulative people HATE it when their target just up and walks away.

Or ignores their crazy letters. Silence is the best weapon. My oldest sister doesn't have a pot to piss in, has always been jealous of me, she's bankrupt. I wrote a scathing letter to her 2 years ago that knocked her sideways. She's actually crazy. So, wipe your hands of toxic controlling people. You will be happy unless you're a martyr. If you are, no whining, have the courage to move on. I don't forgive evil people who want to bring me down. /just saying
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Assuming ALL of the "toxic" people described above in the various posts were "unsaved", "evil" members of your biological family, HOW LONG did you first actually PRAY for them and then reach out and offer them the Gospel of Jesus Christ? If someone ELSE does, you may meet them in heaven, if you get there.

IIRC_ "Honor your mother and Father" applies NOT only to children, but to ADULT CHILDREN and were part of the Commandments, not "the Options"
and "Love they neighbor" and
"Love thy enemies" includes familial ones.
I see no excuse given to NOT obey and think you justify not doing your duty to parents by simply "moving far away from them" or "estranging them".

The Jews, in Christ's time, solved that "problem" (not wanting to be around or do anything for "problem" parents) by inventing a new rule they thought would free adult children from obedience to that commandment. The priests told them "Declare CORBAN (a gift to God) anything you would have done or paid to honor and help your parents and give it to God instead in money/work for the temple and priests.

Jesus was not pleased.

MARK CH 7:
9 And he (Jesus) said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban,(a gift to God) that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. (of sin, condemnation and parents!)

12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

I see the latest rendition of CORBAN in the current acceptance now of getting rid of "toxic" people in your life, and dismissing associating anyone who cannot "advance" your life, career, or from whom you will otherwise profit by the association.


I have a personal story (my cousins) about a toxic, criminal, drunken, violent, retarded, mentally unhinged, physically and sexually abusive, family with 7 kids, raised on welfare white family that got turned around after adulthood by God, EARNED, (not lottery) millions in wealth and property, own a good bit of Florida real estate, and drive a Rolls Royce.
 
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Bardou

Veteran Member
It's not incumbent upon me to pray for toxic people. They've got to do for themselves. They don't think they're toxic, so no prayer will help them. Best to leave them to their self.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
You can forgive someone but you don't have to interact with them anymore.

Yes. How about don't have to be engaged by them anymore? I may still be in the same room but they or their remarks have no power over me.

And yes, as Ain't said, I can pray for them even after I've kicked the dust off as I leave their gate (figuratively).

FTR, DW and I argue who has the best MIL. Very lucky in that regard. Other relationships, not so much.
 

JMG91

Veteran Member
Assuming ALL of the "toxic" people described above in the various posts were "unsaved", "evil" members of your biological family, HOW LONG did you first actually PRAY for them and then reach out and offer them the Gospel of Jesus Christ? If someone ELSE does, you may meet them in heaven, if you get there.

IIRC_ "Honor your mother and Father" applies NOT only to children, but to ADULT CHILDREN and were part of the Commandments, not "the Options"
and "Love they neighbor" and
"Love thy enemies" includes familial ones.
I see no excuse given to NOT obey and think you justify not doing your duty to parents by simply "moving far away from them" or "estranging them".

The Jews, in Christ's time, solved that "problem" (not wanting to be around or do anything for "problem" parents) by inventing a new rule they thought would free adult children from obedience to that commandment. The priests told them "Declare CORBAN (a gift to God) anything you would have done or paid to honor and help your parents and give it to God instead in money/work for the temple and priests.

Jesus was not pleased.



I see the latest rendition of CORBAN in the current acceptance now of getting rid of "toxic" people in your life, and dismissing associating anyone who cannot "advance" your life, career, or from whom you will otherwise profit by the association.


I have a personal story (my cousins) about a toxic, criminal, drunken, violent, retarded, mentally unhinged, physically and sexually abusive, family with 7 kids, raised on welfare white family that got turned around after adulthood by God, EARNED, (not lottery) millions in wealth and property, own a good bit of Florida real estate, and drive a Rolls Royce.

One does not have to allow themselves to be mentally and physically tormented by someone in order to pray for them. In fact, the best thing one can do for a toxic person is to not play their games, otherwise, they will continue unabated in the behavior and never learn. I removed myself and my family from my father's terrible alcohol-fueled influence in order to do what was best for them, but that didn't stop me from praying for him. It did, however, keep my young daughter from growing up and watching and listening to horrible things from someone she's supposed to be able to look at as a role model, and possibly end up modeling that behavior herself.
 

Buick Electra

TB2K Girls with Guns
From a Christian perspective, long ago when I read Beth Moore's book, GET OUT OF THAT PIT, (before she went pagan), which I had long given away so can't quote directly, she said something to the effect of....

If you have family members that steal your joy and want to keep you down in that pit with them, as you finally decide to climb out of that pit, they will grab your ankles and try to drag you back down with them, and for your own health you must break free of them. The underlying theme was "you can love them from afar" without ever having to let them back into your life.

1 Corinthians 5:11 "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person."

1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits."

Proverbs 13:20 "He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed."

Psalm 1:1 "Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful"

Jesus told the disciples, “But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another.” (Matthew 10:25). God did not tell them not to love, He told them to love them from a distance, a great distance because we all must love – we are commanded to love but we are not commanded to love what the evil do.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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From a Christian perspective, long ago when I read Beth Moore's book, GET OUT OF THAT PIT, (before she went pagan), which I had long given away so can't quote directly, she said something to the effect of....

If you have family members that steal your joy and want to keep you down in that pit with them, as you finally decide to climb out of that pit, they will grab your ankles and try to drag you back down with them, and for your own health you must break free of them. The underlying theme was "you can love them from afar" without ever having to let them back into your life.

1 Corinthians 5:11 "But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person."

1 Corinthians 15:33 Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits."

Proverbs 13:20 "He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will be destroyed."

Psalm 1:1 "Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful"

Jesus told the disciples, “But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another.” (Matthew 10:25). God did not tell them not to love, He told them to love them from a distance, a great distance because we all must love – we are commanded to love but we are not commanded to love what the evil do.

Thank you BE.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
On the Biblical front, father against son, son against mother, mother against..........you get the drift.....
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
Thank you BE.

I second the thanks, BE!

We have people we stay away from, too. A brother and sister-in-law, a sister, a daughter, the second husband of a mother. When we are with them for any length of time, we end up with severe anxious and/or anger issues that last for days/weeks. So we stay away. And are happier staying away. But we will have to learn to pray for them more. Don't know if it'll help them, but maybe it will help us knowing we've done what we can, what God asks.
 

momma_soapmaker

Disgusted
I cut biological father loose after my parents divorced, and after my mother's death, my brother and his family.

Biology doesn't have anything to do with who is your FAMILY.

Bio-father was manipulative, over-bearing, and narcissistic. He was also a deacon in our church.

My life has been better without them in it. And no, I don't regret it. I forgive, but it doesn't mean I have to put myself and my family back into a toxic situation.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Good article! Thank you for posting this!

Good to know I'm not alone in cutting off a relative. And from my own experience...it's like a weight has been lifted!!!!

I felt guilty for about....well, actually, not at all.

I feel like a whole barge of garbage has been removed from my life.

I cut off my sister and her husband.

In the old days, my sister was the nicest, kindest person you could meet. Very humble and sweet. Then she had a traumatic experience and went off in a bad direction. I didn't know what was going on as I live 8 hours away and only saw her for a week or so every year - easy to hide stuff. Had no idea things could go so far south.

My mom and I cut ties with my sister and her husband last November. They admitted to 'punishing' my mom and me for not telling them that my brother has a brain tumor (diagnosed and treated last spring). We had decided to leave any 'telling' up to my brother - his health/his story/his business. My brother cut my sister off ten years ago when she lied to our father, among other things that my parents' lawyer called 'elderly abuse'.

What was really bad...they made an ELABORATE plan to 'punish' my mom and me (and my brother).

They are both really big in 'punishing' people - if they feel offended by someone or butthurt they seek revenge. And their revenge is MONUMENTAL!!!!! They'll get the police involved, lawyers, insurance companies, the city, doctors, fire off nasty emails to everyone trying to discredit people, pull con jobs to manipulate people, whatever they think they need - it's all about RETRIBUTION! That's what my sister calls it..and Lord knows she dished it out for years!!*

The level and intensity of their retribution/revenge/lying is what's so scary.

I've just kept my mouth shut all these years (because of my mom - sister is her favorite kid, almost an obsessive relationship on both sides), but the last two years have gotten terrible - the lying was getting too much...but this was the last straw for me - punishing my mom - 86 year old, sweet little lady! Not gonna happen again.

People this devious and nasty have no place in my life.

Those two together are nasty/toxic x 10! I pity the poor person who comes to repair their dishwasher, roof, car or the innocent person who just crosses their path....G-d help them.

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raven

TB Fanatic
How do you really know if you are an INTJ. If I want a friend, I will go in the basement and build one. Building a relative is easier.
If you are an INTJ, you can cut off a relative and they may not even know it for a couple of holidays.
If you are constantly wringing your hands, probably not an INTJ.

Whether it is right or wrong kind of depends on whether it is a hostage negotiation or crisis prevention.
Hostage Negotiation: Mommy won't pay my XBox subscription so I am not going to talk to her. That's wrong.
Crisis Prevention: If she brings up Hillary Clinton ONE MORE TIME, violence is going to ensue. Cutting her off for her own protection - from you - is a good idea.
 

annieosage

Inactive
I pray for my DS and DBIL all the time that they will wake up and see my niece for who she is. Funny that BIL reached out to me when he found drugs in her belongings. She was living with them and my Mom and he called before ever telling my sister.

I speak the truth and get chastised and tossed out like yesterday's garbage. Many hateful things were done to my during the time of my Mom's passing. All because they could not see through her manipulation and lies. I pray for her because only God can change her. I'm done and haven't looked back.

When someones mental, physical, as well as spiritual well being is in danger by being around the toxic person, get out. So I did. I did feel guilt and prayed hard about it. But none of them have reached out to me so clearly they could care less and would rather believe the lies to save face.
 

Dux

Veteran Member
My youngest brother was shocked about my disinterest in the death of my oldest brother. You mean the one that ridiculed, hit and kicked me whenever he was bored or annoyed?
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
All great stuff here!! Every comment. I love this quote from the OP:

“I’ve interviewed more than 50 people who have estranged themselves from family members, and I have yet to meet a single one who regrets it. They regret whatever situation made it necessary. They regret not having a parent/sibling/family member they could come to terms with. They regret that their problems were severe enough to make estrangement look good. But they don’t regret doing it.”

I’m one of those 50-percenters. I'm estranged from about half of my family. I just could not deal with their judgmental, gossipy, holier-than-thou attitudes about my life. I mean, what the hell?? It’s MY life. Go live your own. I can’t stand the society we now live in where others think it’s totally acceptable to push you into their mindset, their way of living, and abiding by the terms they dictate. As I always like to say, they need to get their own lives instead of trying to always live mine. Best thing I ever did to cut that cord. Some have tried to insist that “family is everything” and blood is thicker than water. Nope. Sorry. Not true. Just ask Jesus.
 

momma_soapmaker

Disgusted
How do you really know if you are an INTJ. If I want a friend, I will go in the basement and build one. Building a relative is easier.
If you are an INTJ, you can cut off a relative and they may not even know it for a couple of holidays.
If you are constantly wringing your hands, probably not an INTJ.

I'm an INFJ. Same here. Once I cut ties, I am DONE.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I live in a fantasy world. Nine kids, 24 grandchildren, nearly all got together at Christmas, no fights, just good cheer. Even had a couple inlaws involved. (People are really astounded at that and even more astounded when I say we have been to the house of most, and several have been guests at ours.)

However in my Grandfather's family, savage fights to the point that one got drunked up, went to the wake of a brother, and laughed over the coffin.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
The cost of love, when faced with hate:

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Is it EASIER on US to cut off people that hurt us?

Of course.

Is it right?

Well---let me ask this.

How much have each of us--have you--hurt God by our sins?

I know I've hurt Him times beyond count--

And if He treated me as I deserve for hurting Him---

well, the answer is obvious.


What if God treated us as we deserve?


"What if God had treated me the way I am treating________________?"


It is very hard.


Very hard.


Impossible, in fact.


That is why, the only way we can love that way....


Is if HE loves those UNLOVABLE people....


through us.



he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.

For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;

as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;

for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.




John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
My life is completely different since I divorced my ex of 35 years. He was a lying manipulator and I never knew when the other shoe was going to drop. Now with the love of my life for 5 years, I do not have to worry about such things anymore. He's not perfect, but neither am I, but I never have to deal with such drama again. It is liberating.

I did have a very rocky relationship with my mother but could never bring myself to completely cut off the relationship, when she passed it was a relief.

Judy
 

annieosage

Inactive
The cost of love, when faced with hate:

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Is it EASIER on US to cut off people that hurt us?

Of course.

Is it right?

Well---let me ask this.

How much have each of us--have you--hurt God by our sins?

I know I've hurt Him times beyond count--

And if He treated me as I deserve for hurting Him---

well, the answer is obvious.


What if God treated us as we deserve?


"What if God had treated me the way I am treating________________?"


It is very hard.


Very hard.


Impossible, in fact.


That is why, the only way we can love that way....


Is if HE loves those UNLOVABLE people....


through us.



he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.

For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;

as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;

for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.




John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

It's a good thing we are saved by grace. ;)

I never said I don't love my family but I don't believe He wants us to remain in a relationship that is unhealthy and possibly- physically unsafe.
 
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