How many here believe TEOTWAWKI is imminent?

[Rastech]

To me the most important 'prep' is the rural community I live in and am a part of (I was born here, and couldn't move back fast enough once given the 'prod').

It's descendents of the same mountain people that 'kicked the living daylights' out of the Romans that tried to conquer and impose their will upon us. They did the same to the Normans too. We have the terrain, we know the terrain, we know how to use the terrain.

Alone, each of us is a pushover, but as a strong community, we are formidable.

It takes years, as an outsider, to become a full part of such a community. But boy is it worth it.

Anything I have, is theirs, and after a lot of years living as if TEOTWAWKI had already happened, I have a fair bit to offer.

If decent people come to us, we will take them in, and make them welcome, because more than anything, the thing we need most, is people.

The rest is down to them.

 

[cannoncocker]

I prep for six months, may be abloe to go 8. But the real threat is civil strife, not having enough food.

But if you visit TB2K on a regular basis, a person will sooner or later, start to get "bad feelings" or some other something that says something bad is coming. Folks, the Unexplained board is full of someone who is always having bad feelings and postings things like "anybody else feel it?" or something similar. THe key is to maintain an even keel and not get too hopped up. I mean for goodness sakes, we had members bugging out last year becasue of webbots or the eggs or some member has a third cousin in the air force reserve who had ringing in their ears or someting equally ridiculous. We live in really dangerous times and a whole crop of bad things can come down on us at any given time. But be rational, reasonable and do not buy into every interent nut job and their alert of the day or week. And for goodness sakes, do not buy into someones bad feelings or what not.


Sooner oflater you will need your preps, but live life and enjoy it while you can. Take a internet and TB2K break every now and then and just enjoy being alive. And do not seize upon every event or news item and say "AHHAAA! This is it!". "IT" will come soon enough and there will be no mistaking what "IT" is.

 

[Perpetuity]

Well said, Burt and Vesper.

 

[jed turtle]

renork, i hope you heard what Burt Gummer just said. he is exactly right.

i went with: "Prep as a way of life and could make it for years if not confiscated by govt. or hungry hordes "

although i have lived on my down in the boonies homestead for 30 years and have wells, gardens, fruit trees, woodlot, solar, etc. , i will be bugging out for the highlands if time allows. if not, we will melt into the forest and avoid contact with the refugees from Sodom and Gomorrah. woe be unto them if they barge into our camp tho.

once tshtf, unfortunately the rules of the jungle will automatically prevail.

hopefully, the original glue that has traditionally bonded our societies - christianity - will continue to hold firm and as survivors restore bonds of communication, our common acknowledgement of YHWH/ Jesus will re-establish our social contracts. otherwise, we are not "we" and it will be a "last man standing" scenario.

 

[AnniePutin]

I'm aiming for 6 months, but have more like 1 month, alas.

 

[Desperado]

After thinking about this...I don't think there will be any one day where it will seem like the end of the world as we know it (except for natural diasters but that is a short time frame and the affects are mostly local for which I prepare). There will be no day of infamy, no cataclysmic attack instead this country will be brought down in a slow and almost unnoticable way.... things are changing even now and not for the better. Think about life and the American outlook 50 years ago, then compare it to 20 years ago...think about what you let your parents let you do then...now think about what you let your kids do now!
Think about what could be said in public then... now compare it to what can be said in today's politically correct society.
Think it will get any better any freer? If you do you are kidding yourself.
No there will not be a sudden day of change.... but rather it will grow like a cancer until we are too weak to do anything about it.

 

[blueberry]

I work to keep a year's supply for several people. Since I live alone, when I rotate out the older foods, there is always a lot of food that did not get used. I end up taking a lot of food to the food bank, but that is ok.

I agree that ther are many, many reasons to prep. The number one reason I prep is because many years ago, my preps kept my family from going hungry in a long-term bad situation. So, I know prepping works. Prepping is most certainly a way of life for me.

 

[Caplock50]

VesperSparrow, you present the problem very well. Here is how I would handle it. I'd have to take each and every situation separately. There are just way too many variables to just say 'shoot 'em all', or 'help 'em all'. Today, I don't hate folks because of the 'color of their skin'. But I *do* hate folks with different skin colors because of what that individual did to me or mine. And that's how I'd handle the situations in TEOTWAWKI. Each individual situation would be judged and handled by *that* situation's merits.


"Renork says: Im unprepped but would have no trouble killing as many people as it would take for me to survive so I guess Im mentaly prepared."

Are you sure, Renork? I mean really sure? Have you ever killed anybody before? Let me enlighten you a bit. Yes, the first one will be easy; but then each one gets harder. The 'ghosts' of those you've left dead will begin to haunt you day and night. Soon, you will even be seeing them while you're awake, and not just in your nightmares. You think you can live with that? Can you really justify killing someone *just* for their food and water, guns and ammo? If you can, then I pity you. And if you can, then you are one of the ones I've prepped my guns and ammo stocks to be used on. The killing is easy; just squeeze the trigger and hold the gun on target. But living with it is not. So, are you really sure you're mentally prepared?

 

[Renork]

If it was required for my own survival or the survival of someone I cared about, without a doubt. Dont get me wrong, Im not trying to say that I will be running around going on killing spree or needlessly killing anyone I come across. But in a sitution where the food and water or guns and ammuniton will be required for my own survival at that time. I dont think Ill even think twice about doing what is neccesary to get through it.

 

[TJA]

Well since you claim not to be prepping yourself you basically plan on murdering and stealing the supplies you need from someone else by the sound of it.

 

[Caplock50]

And Renork, if you can't find any bad guys to kill for their supplies...who then? And why would your survival be so much more important than theirs? I mean those other than the bad guys; I have no problem with the killing of bad guys.

 

[Hacker]

If it was required for my own survival or the survival of someone I cared about, without a doubt. Dont get me wrong, Im not trying to say that I will be running around going on killing spree or needlessly killing anyone I come across. But in a sitution where the food and water or guns and ammuniton will be required for my own survival at that time. I dont think Ill even think twice about doing what is neccesary to get through it.

I know that many people from your part of the country have your attitude - take what you want and f**ck 'em . . . which is why I will not live in the Boston area (I think that NJ may be worse).

I strongly suggest that you not show up at my door.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Although this could be a stand alone, I do think that this article belongs here.


U.S. comptroller general warns of fiscal crisis
http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?...

LONDON, March 14 (Reuters) - The United States is headed for a financial crisis unless it alters its course of racking up big budget deficits year after year, Comptroller General David Walker told a British audience on Tuesday.

"If we continue on our present course, a fiscal crisis is only a matter of time," Walker said in the course of an address to the London School of Economics in which he stressed the need for the United States to get its fiscal house in order.

The comptroller general acts as the nation's chief accountability officer and is the head of the U.S. Government Accountability Office, or GAO.

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Make serious preps daily...............and I do mean, DAILY.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Snow warns Congress: US government's cash running out
Mar 14 10:55 AM US/Eastern

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/...om/news/2006/03/14/060314155502.5zgxciv2.html


Treasury Secretary John Snow urged Congress to set aside partisan bickering and raise the US national debt ceiling this week, or face a disastrous cash crunch for the federal government.

In a speech here to a conference of regional bankers, Snow said it would be inconceivable for Congress not to pass legislation on the debt limit before it heads into a recess at the end of this week.



"I am urging members of Congress in the strongest possible terms to resist coupling an increase in the debt ceiling with other issues," Snow said.

"Rather, they should vote to raise the ceiling this week. It would be unthinkable for them not to take action," he said, warning that the "full faith and credit" of the US government was too precious to be compromised.

Snow has issued increasingly urgent warnings to Congress that the statutory debt limit of 8.184 trillion dollars will be hit this week, and that the government will then lose its borrowing power.

Once the US government reaches the ceiling, it comes under threat of defaulting on its debts and can lose the ability to raise future credit on the capital markets.

Last week, Snow said new issues of federal debt instruments would only raise enough cash to keep government operations financed until mid-March.

But Democratic members of Congress are said to be balking at increasing the debt limit unless the administration of President George W. Bush, which has overseen a huge rise in the US budget deficit, curbs its appetite for funds.

"We have to remember that current federal borrowing needs today are simply the product of past decisions," Snow said in his speech.

"While we always welcome a debate on budget priorities, swift action on the debt limit must still be taken this week.

"There should be no doubt over whether the government will be able to pay its bills on time, this time next week."

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We are facing a world war..........plus an oil embargo...........plus fiscal deficits that are in the trillions...................plus bird flu..................plus off shoring...............plus huge numbers of illegal immigrants crossing our borders..............so what do I personally think?

Prep like there's no tomorrow.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Another article about the same subject.


WASHINGTON, March 14 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow said on Tuesday Congress must act this week to raise the $8.18 trillion U.S. debt ceiling or risk losing the confidence of markets and investors.

"Timely action on the debt ceiling this week, before Congress leaves for recess, is critical to assure financial markets and investors that the integrity of the obligations of the United States will not be compromised, nor will even a risk of such compromise be countenanced," Snow said in remarks prepared for delivery to a conference organized by America's Community Bankers.

If the ceiling is not raised, Treasury would not be able to issue new debt.

The House of Representatives nearly a year ago passed a $781 billion increase in the debt ceiling. The Senate is set to weigh a similar measure.

Snow warned senators against adding amendments to the bill, which could result in the need for further House action and potential delays. "Any effort to use this 'must pass' legislation as a means of achieving leverage on other issues should be set aside and avoided," he said.

http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?...

 

[Mr. Dot]

Im unprepped but would have no trouble killing as many people as it would take for me to survive so I guess Im mentaly prepared. I dont think things will go much more then a year or two before the shit hits the perverbial fan.

At 28 posts I suspect troll but if you really think as you say you do I hope your first target is the sort that has prepared for your sort.

 

[maric]

Honestly, I couldn't kill another living thing. Human OR animal. But I could harm them bad enough to scare the daylights outta em. Can we say neuter?
If the disaster was a nuclear bomb or something like that, I would hope it went off in my yard. Number 1, I really don't want to live with that kind of fallout and #2, I wouldn't mind one bit going home to my Maker. I'm not suicidal or anything, I just feel that when He says it's your time, it's your time. I'm not afraid.

 

[hitssquad]

solar destruction by wayward comets

Could you clarify that? Does that mean destruction of the sun via a comet running into it?

 

[hitssquad]

Some passersby might be employable

What would some of you do if you saw an unarmed person walking up the driveway or trail to your prep hideaway?

I would hope to be able to employ and provide boarding for a select few of them. For the rest, there is no need to answer the door of a secure-home. If I felt the need to give them some encouragement to move on, I might trigger the secure-home's front-of-house sonic-cannon, noxious-gas or water-spritzer functions.

 

[Jesse]

Evening Vesper! (Love your choice of username, btw)

"I'm just curious really though if there is line you have set when it comes to helping others...."

Yes. I will help them as much as I am physically able to. Is there a limit? Not as long as I'm still breathing.

Yours, in the Love and Light of Christ - Jesse.

P.S. Considering that nobody gets out of here alive. I'd rather "go down" helping another to make it as far as they can. Christ would, and did, and does.

 

[Intergator]

Could you clarify that? Does that mean destruction of the sun via a comet running into it?

There have been a few surprise visits over the years by previously undiscovered comets. If one hit the sun it could cause huge plasma discharges toward earth if it is facing toward us when it hits. A comet also doesn't actually have to hit the earth or the sun to wreak havoc. Passing through the tail could be a bad thing. There was a a huge electrical discharge from the sun to a comet a few years back. Look at the discovery of comet shoemaker-levy - discovered 1 year before plowing into Jupiter. I'm not saying it's imminent but it has happened in the very recent past.

 

[barb43]

As for where i'd draw the line, well it's hard to say. I believe i'd help as many as i could for as long as i could, but i'd have to have some sort of replenishing supply line. Let's face it, my own household comes first - and then select friends and neighbors. As for the marauding hordes, well, that's why i have ammo. Have never shot anyone, and will hopefully never have to - but i think i could if i had to (y'know, like if it were a matter of him/them or me/my family).

The idea that TEOTWAKI is happening as a "death by 1,000 cuts" is likely accurate -- think back to life in 1980 as compared to life today; think about life in 1991 - shortly after the soldiers came home from Desert Storm - as compared to life today. Heck, think back to 1999 and then look at today!! The way life is changing here is as a snowball rolling downhill and gaining speed.

 

[hitssquad]

Comets causing solar ejecta and solar electrical discharges

There have been a few surprise visits over the years by previously undiscovered comets. If one hit the sun it could cause huge plasma discharges toward earth

Comets frequently hit the sun, and they never cause ejecta of any size.

There was a a huge electrical discharge from the sun to a comet a few years back.

I had not previously heard of that. I cannot find anything on the internet about comets causing either solar ejecta or solar electrical discharges. Could you post some links or further clues? What are the physical principles involved?

 

[PCViking]

Pictures are worth a thousand words...

DW and I have been stocking our pantry... But between bird flu and mad cow... I'de like to see more lentils.

 

[nomifyle]

Le't see, 1,000+ dead, problems with refugees, teothwaiki was August 29, 2005. Just ask people form south Louisiana. No place to live, everything way more espensive, hundreds of thousands of homes lost. But that's just us dumbasses who live in a place that is mostly below sea level. My house was twelve feet above sea level and four feet off the ground but the twenty-five food tidal surge took care of that.

I don't think its going to be all at once everywhere, but its a bitch when you are in the middle of it, no matter how much you prep. Preping makes a big difference though.

I talked to my DH the other day about getting in on JC's food buy and he said just what are you expecting to happen and I said just humor me. He's still deciding.

We are finally moving to a decent apartment that I am sure the guy who owns it didn't get more than $700 a month or so for it before Katrina and now he is charging $1,100 a month, $1,100 depost, first and last months rent. Ane we feel lucky to finally get out of the hell hole we have been living in. Add to that having to buy beds, and all the other stuff you need. It's a good thing my DH is a licensed state electrical contractor.

Have a nice day, I gotta get "moving",

Judy

 

[Rex Jackson]

JUST LOOK AT THESE IMPORTANT STORIES!

Washington says prep for 10 to 90days+ no nothing - Bird Flu outbreak coming

Sun is to erupt into super solar storm status - Starting in as early as 6 months from now, lasting 11 years (Red moon/skies the Bible talks of due to Northern lights at night)

Red Snow in Russia yestday

Hurrican Season to explode this year - Waters all ready set for Tropical depressions

Climate change 'irreversible' as Arctic sea ice fails to re-form second year in a row Link

Tornado record broken all ready...in March

Record global EQs goes unreported

 

[moocollins]

Our preps include a 90 to 180 day cycled supply of food and sundries. Water is somewhat less than 30 days, room for improvement here.
electrical backup is limited to gasoline generators and LP gas supply is arround 30 days with frugal use.
All in all I have the basics protected out to about 30 days after that I begin to barter, trade and buy from what supplies and services are available.
I would like to add a 60 to 90 day supply of emergency dried food, in #10 cans but MAN the price for this is prohibitive at the moment.

 

[dragonslayer2001]

If things get bad enough

quickly enough, Renork is simply one of hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions who will wake up unprepared and unfed, with a collapsed social structure and a collapsed control system.

Get used to it.

 

[hitssquad]

Grains as cheap dry emergency food

I would like to add a 60 to 90 day supply of emergency dried food, in #10 cans but MAN the price for this is prohibitive at the moment.

Store rolled oats (or oat groats and a rolling machine) and dry milk. You can live on that for three months, and it does not need to be cooked. The fiber requires extra water for digestion, though, so you will want to make sure you have that covered. I would store some stevia, as well, for sweetness without the energy-depleting/diabetes-promoting effect of sugar. (I use stevia + xylitol, but the xylitol is a lot more expensive than the stevia.)

 

[Intergator]

Comets frequently hit the sun, and they never cause ejecta of any size.


I had not previously heard of that. I cannot find anything on the internet about comets causing either solar ejecta or solar electrical discharges. Could you post some links or further clues? What are the physical principles involved?

Hitssquad - my objective was to get an idea of the amount and degree of members prepping and their reasoning - or if you wish - their personal pick of the available "possible scenarios". My purpose is not to defend possibilities that some believe. However, there is a CME related to a comet that does come to mind - this is from rense but it was reported by many other sources as well.

http://www.rense.com/general65/coron.htm

At the beginning I stated the key word is "could" when I stated the scenarios that may concern different people for different reasons. If you need to lean more there is always google.

 

[hitssquad]

there is a CME related to a comet that does come to mind - this is from rense but it was reported by many other sources as well.

http://www.rense.com/general65/coron.htm

Yes. As I said, "Comets frequently hit the sun, and they never cause ejecta of any size."

 

[Intergator]

Yes. As I said, "Comets frequently hit the sun, and they never cause ejecta of any size."

In this instance you are correct - the CME was caused by close proximity of the comet. However, my point is you are drifting this thread. If you wish to discuss comet collisions and CMEs then start your own thread.

 

[Doomer Doug]

I prep for 30 days in place. I also have prepped enough weapons and ammo for a armed bug out if needed.

People like Renfark will either take what they can get, or be shot by people like me.
As for the timing, IMHO we are looking at a regional war with Iran by Easter, a mere 30 days from now. We are also looking at long term, progressive economic, social, political and military collapses in the USA among others. We are about where Rome was in 400AD. rome hasn't been sacked but the signs are certainly there.

I will be really surprised if we do not do something with Iran by Easter, but for sure we will have to deal with their Euro based oil exchange.

 

[BV141]

Moocollins,

I would like to add a 60 to 90 day supply of emergency dried food, in #10 cans but MAN the price for this is prohibitive at the moment.

Try Emergency Essentials (beprepared.com).
Try the sale item!!



Hope that helps,

bv

 

[Intergator]

Hmmmm. So far it seems less than 10% of total membership is prepped for 1 month or more. Some folks need to get busy.