How many here believe TEOTWAWKI is imminent?

[Intergator]

I realize there are many scenarios that could come into play. The key word here is "could". There a plenty of dire predictions, news articles, dreams, premonitions, puff pieces on self destruction by government conspiracy or just national arrogance.

There are a multitude of poisons to pick from - solar destruction by wayward comets, planet X, Sun over heating or emitting solar storms to knock out the power grid. Also Revelation,religious hatred and determination to convert all disbelievers and some offer the alternative of death for unbelief. Then there are the earth changes - earthquakes, tsunamis, super volcanoes, melting polar caps and glaciers, rising sea levels, increasing frequency of devastating hurricanes, global warming, Globalization, outsourcing of manufacturing and technical jobs, Loss of civil rights and free speech, and this list goes on and on.

My question is - and I know probably 90% of us here are preppers to some extent - from the extreme to just gathering a few essentials (just in case). How many are convinced that we will have to be totally self sufficient for any length of time in the near future - or believe nothing will happen that will affect them personally?

Multiple choice, private poll.

 

[buff]

ok gator...where is the poll?

 

[BREWER]

BREWER

Intergator, you laid it out pretty well. All the above....and more...
"How many are convinced that we will have to be totally self sufficient for any length of time in the near future." Count me in there for the self-reliant part of the poll. Time: years, especially if we get another dust bowl along with Iran, and H5N1.

 

[Perpetuity]

Closest to the bullseye then we've ever been. Pick your poison from all of the above hypotheticals. There are so many multiple triggers that were mentioned, and unfortunately it will be a cascading effect as we go along...I think we're well on the way. Ultimately, every civilization goes through turmoil at some point in their history...whether it survives intact or not waits to be seen through the eyes of time.

 

[A.T.Hagan]

I don't personally believe there is anything particularly dire that is going to happen any minute now, but I prep just the same because life is uncertain. The scenario I never thought of at all may be the one that hits me.

.....Alan.

 

[Intergator]

Well I picked 5 and 9. Am striving mightily for 6 and 7. Although I DO have plenty guns and ammo, propane and 5 med kits and a ton of food. My goal is to move out of New Orleans shortly and get at least an hours drive from the nearest Walmart.

 

[Intergator]

Intergator, you laid it out pretty well. All the above....and more...
"How many are convinced that we will have to be totally self sufficient for any length of time in the near future." Count me in there for the self-reliant part of the poll. Time: years, especially if we get another dust bowl along with Iran, and H5N1.

Yeah - I forgot to mention the bird flu.

 

[Christian for Israel]

i believe TEOTWAWKI is imminent, but i believe that it has been for years and may be for years more. that's why i prep, but still pray that we still have some time left.

 

[Grock]

Imminent?

Didn't you get the memo?

Welcome to World 2.0

 

[theoutlands]

My goal is ... get at least an hours drive from the nearest Walmart.

I don't think you *can* in our state anymore!! We just aimed to be at least a day's walk from the nearest W/M...

Don't prep - optimistic about the future 1

Someone doesn't read enough on here...!!!

 

[The Freeholder]

6 months totally self contained is the goal. Long way to go yet. There just isn't enough storage space in the current digs.

Unless my kids and wife clean their rooms.

 

[JohnGaltfla]

An hours drive from a WalMart? You're bugging out to New York City? Are you out of your mind?

It's not TEOTWAWKI time yet, but when we cross the rubicon, it will get very, very dicey.

I worry more about the people who encounter us cranky TB2Kers when power is rationed and we can't chat with each other.

I know I'll be a grumpy sob....

 

[Perpetuity]

Forum Withdrawal Symptoms=Post Trauma Stress Disorder!

I worry more about the people who encounter us cranky TB2Kers when power is rationed and we can't chat with each other.

I know I'll be a grumpy sob....

 

[Fuzzychick]

I'm with CFI on this one.

 

[barb43]

I said we're prepped at 1 month, but we actually have much more on several items -- we're just not all the way to 6 months yet. Storage is a problem at the present. We're also only looking to prep for immediate family and maybe a couple more. No matter how i'd like to keep everyone i love and care about, i can't. Sweetie keeps reminding me that a "failure to plan" on their part does not "constitute an emergency" on our part.

 

[Sysman]

How dare you ask this question on a forum, who's roots, and very existence for that matter, go back to a group of people that thought TEOTWAWKI was going to happen on 12/31/1999, for sure...

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[JohnGaltfla]

How dare you ask this question on a forum, who's roots, and very existence for that matter, go back to a group of people that thought TEOTWAWKI was going to happen on 12/31/1999, for sure...

...

You mean, it didn't????

 

[ocd]

I think we have some time left, maybe up to two years.

Prep for 6 months or more - self sustaining
Prep for several years (crops, animals, well, self defense, long term food storage, etc)
Prep as a way of life and could make it for years if not confiscated by govt. or hungry hordes
Prep for immediate family only
Prep for extended family (DGIs)

I am kinda in the middle of all of these. I definitely can make it longer than 6 mouths probably 1 1/2 year on present food, water stuff. Plenty of protection. We are set good for immediate family(it will not be fancy) Don't think I could turn away my Dad and sister or BIL SIL so I am working on that.

 

[Intergator]

I not thinking it will be the end of the world as we know it all at once ( unless the Mideast (read Iran) explodes), but more like a death by a thousand cuts. I or 2 small to medium terrorist attacks on our country could trigger martial law, A couple of big ones will trigger martial law, suspension of the bill of rights, confiscation of personal property, suspension of elections, travel restrictions, the fabled concentration camps for those on the blue and red lists of dissenters, and unrestricted warfare. Which would basically be Teotwawki. When the smoke clears you better be far away from any cities considered military or infrastructure target rich cities. All the preps in the word will not protect or sustain you if the is an nuclear detonation in your vicinity. The world is threatened by many things from nature - but my money is on the greed, and egomaniac nature of our leaders and their military.So count your blessings if you area is spared but beware of refuges who will kill you for what you have.

 

[Fuzzychick]

I not thinking it will be the end of the world as we know it all at once ( unless the Mideast (read Iran) explodes), but more like a death by a thousand cuts. I or 2 small to medium terrorist attacks on our country could trigger martial law, A couple of big ones will trigger martial law, suspension of the bill of rights, confiscation of personal property, suspension of elections, travel restrictions, the fabled concentration camps for those on the blue and red lists of dissenters, and unrestricted warfare. Which would basically be Teotwawki. When the smoke clears you better be far away from any cities considered military or infrastructure target rich cities. All the preps in the word will not protect or sustain you if the is an nuclear detonation in your vicinity. The world is threatened by many things from nature - but my money is on the greed, and egomaniac nature of our leaders and their military.So count your blessings if you area is spared but beware of refuges who will kill you for what you have.

Gator, Wise wisdom!

 

[ocd]

I not thinking it will be the end of the world as we know it all at once ( unless the Mideast (read Iran) explodes), but more like a death by a thousand cuts. I or 2 small to medium terrorist attacks on our country could trigger martial law, A couple of big ones will trigger martial law, suspension of the bill of rights, confiscation of personal property, suspension of elections, travel restrictions, the fabled concentration camps for those on the blue and red lists of dissenters, and unrestricted warfare. Which would basically be Teotwawki. When the smoke clears you better be far away from any cities considered military or infrastructure target rich cities. All the preps in the word will not protect or sustain you if the is an nuclear detonation in your vicinity. The world is threatened by many things from nature - but my money is on the greed, and egomaniac nature of our leaders and their military.So count your blessings if you area is spared but beware of refuges who will kill you for what you have.

I agree. Refugees will be a big problem.. I do not think Martial law will be a problem except in cities 250,000 or more.

 

[Renork]

Im unprepped but would have no trouble killing as many people as it would take for me to survive so I guess Im mentaly prepared. I dont think things will go much more then a year or two before the shit hits the perverbial fan.

 

[diamonds]

My goal is to move out of New Orleans shortly and get at least an hours drive from the nearest Walmart.

You need to move out to my area Gator. I am even 57 miles from the first stop light even

 

[Fuzzychick]

Im unprepped but would have no trouble killing as many people as it would take for me to survive so I guess Im mentaly prepared. I dont think things will go much more then a year or two before the shit hits the perverbial fan.

You sound Bostonian to me.

 

[Topusaret]

Im unprepped but would have no trouble killing as many people as it would take for me to survive so I guess Im mentaly prepared. I dont think things will go much more then a year or two before the shit hits the perverbial fan.

Cannibalism is probably a last resort, not a first one...lol

Never too late to start. A year ago, I was where you are now, without the mass slaughter on my mind. Now, I'm good with almost everything for six months for three adults, including water in a desert environment. Not easy or cheap, but it's almost there and I sleep ever so much better.

 

[Karnie]

I said we're prepped at 1 month, but we actually have much more on several items -- we're just not all the way to 6 months yet. Storage is a problem at the present.

What Barb said!

Add to my current storage issues the fact that I'm trying to move to the country, and until I get some out-buildings built, my storage gets worse instead of better. However, my self-sustainability options go WAY up, and I become way less visible. So, I think it's a good trade off.

I'm prepping for some additional people, too.

I'm a bit too optimistic to say that it is imminent, but there are more things that are TEOTWAWKI options than I think we've ever had in history. I think, however, that our biggest danger is not from terrorists or bird flu but from the reaction of our government to one of those events. I've been a conservative Republican my entire life.... but it's not about which party is in power any more. Our government is but a puppet in the hands of the globalists these days.

 

[theoutlands]

When the smoke clears you better be far away from any cities considered military or infrastructure target rich cities.

Great...
You'll have them all moving down here with us!!!

(Lots of areas of Louisiana consider a gravel road to be infrastructure...)

 

[Jesse]

Evening Intergator!

The End Of The World As I Knew It has come and gone several times. It now comes down to a definition of degree.

We prep, and I said we could manage "forever" if hungry hordes and government interference didn't stop us. We don't have all the "toys" though, but we do have the skills we need. We also live in a place where the essentials aren't hard to come by.

I don't prep because I'm worried - I'm not. If an asteroid hits me, or I get killed in a nuclear explosion - oh well. I/we prep because it's sensible - especially when you live as far away from civilization as we do. Shopping once a year (at most) is only prudent - for things we cannot make ourselves or hunt, gather, and/or grow.

I do believe this earth age is fast drawing to a close, but having a ton of "stuff" isn't going to "save" any of us. However, not to have anything to fall back on isn't sensible, I've learned. Nor is it fair to those you would have to ask to help you. It's nice to have a little to be able to help your neighbors with too. We've needed our preps several times and in several situations. I like the attitude of the wife in Proverbs 31.

Love to all, and a peaceful good night - Jesse.

 

[Burt Gummer]

TEO America AWKI

I don't really prep for TEOTWAWKI. I prep for TEO America AWKI and I'm not sure we have a lot of time left. Maybe a year or two at the very most. When I first started my prep planning, my goal was for 3 months, then 6 months, and now I'm set for over a year. I need to keep working and planning to extend it further. But I think when you start talking about surviving past 6 months, it will get really wild. People will be in extreme situations and the longer it all continues, defense will play a more important part of things. No matter how well you are prepaired with food and shelter, etc... unless you are in an EXTREMELY REMOTE location, somebody is goinna try to take what you have. I think if I were just sort of left alone, I'd be ok for a long time, but I don't think that's the way it will be. I'm in the country but not deep enough in the woods to be isolated. It may get kinda barberric for a while and then those that are left, if they can live in peace with each other, will have a chance for possible long term existance.

 

[Hacker]

Intergator: I not thinking it will be the end of the world as we know it all at once ( unless the Mideast (read Iran) explodes), but more like a death by a thousand cuts. I or 2 small to medium terrorist attacks on our country could trigger martial law, A couple of big ones will trigger martial law, suspension of the bill of rights, confiscation of personal property, suspension of elections, travel restrictions, the fabled concentration camps for those on the blue and red lists of dissenters, and unrestricted warfare. Which would basically be Teotwawki. When the smoke clears you better be far away from any cities considered military or infrastructure target rich cities. All the preps in the word will not protect or sustain you if the is an nuclear detonation in your vicinity. The world is threatened by many things from nature - but my money is on the greed, and egomaniac nature of our leaders and their military.So count your blessings if you area is spared but beware of refuges who will kill you for what you have.

What he said.

 

[duchess47]

Im unprepped but would have no trouble killing as many people as it would take for me to survive so I guess Im mentaly prepared. I dont think things will go much more then a year or two before the shit hits the perverbial fan.

May I say I'm rather glad you live across the country

 

[TJA]

I think I'm somewhere between 3 and 6 months and I'd like to get to somewhere between several years and a way of life. Currently immediate family only but I'd like to expand that to eventually cover extended.

I like to think that one of my more interesting preps is that I've sort of got four different addresses. If anything ever actually happens you won't be able to find me at any of them as I do what I can to avoid people like Renork. Granted I currently have the 'family arsenal' and I certainly expect to run into the Renork types, SSS. Although I'm hoping/prefer to pull off some invisibilty in that regard. Granted anyone fool enough to cross over into LI from either NJ or Boston during an TEOTWAWKI event probably wouldn't survive to get to any of my addresses that I won't be at.

I think Karnie has a point and there are more things that are TEOTWAWKI options than we've ever had in history. Each possibility increases the odds that something will hit us.

Had an interesting comment from a friend recently. She seems to think that if anything happens I won't have enough time to load up and disappear before whatever event it is kills me. Hard not to laugh at that one. Certainly there are things like the occasional asteroid and odd nuke that'll end things quickly but if there are say ten things to prep for and only three will get you quickly you should ignore the other seven? (number for example use only ). I'd rather be viewed as even crazier than most already think I am and be ready for some things than be someone who rationalizing not prepping, even if I turn out to be wrong and nothing ever happens to affect my life.

 

[momof23goats]

IT could be one of those things, or all of the above. i worry more about , war, but
we are self reliant. so life here on the homestead would go on.
WWe are prepped, but we continue to renew those each year. we eat what we grow and grow what we eat. it is that simple.
we heat and cook with wood.

 

[Caplock50]

I voted 'prepped for 1 to 3 months', and 'for immediate family only'.

I figure I could go at the most 6 months on what I have stocked, but that's pushing it a bit. I figure my kids will force me to join up with them though, so all of my timing will go down the tubes. Water is no problem(spring-fed well) and neither is meat(plenty of deer, rabbit, and cattle in the area). There are no truck gardens and so veggies will be *the* problem to be solved right away. I just finished making a bow today, so 'long-distance' weapons are not a problem either. Remember, the most important prep item is your skills; what you got in your head, not in your cellar.

Oh and it is worse than 'is it imminent?'. It is here today, happening ever so slowly, you don't really realize that TEOTWAWKI has already begun.

 

[diamonds]

Until this year I was not dependent upon myself. I finally got smart and ordered the right seeds. I also got fruit trees this year. I have spent the last 3 months really prepping. I am doing this for the satisfaction that comes from not having to worry about it if something would happen.

 

[momof23goats]

caplock, your right, it has started, and started a couple of years ago, and it is going to get worse.
I have been making my annual soap. I make it once a year, for the next year or two. well, this year, had the DDIL, wnat to help and learn how to do that. today when I was a canning up some milk, [I always can the extre, she came and wanted to help.
so I guess I am rubbing off on that city gal. next step, is showing her how to make lye, instead of buying it.
I taugh her how to butcher chickens last fall. thought she would pass out on me, but she finially got the hang of it. still can't milk worth a darn.
but she is trying. your right , it is what we have, in our heads and the how to's that count. when the chips are down, and china world is closed, do to high gas prices, or for what ever reason.
I think it is going to be , how do you do this and that. that is what it is going to be for sure. you are correct, and those that can will make it, those that don't know won't.

 

[Renork]

You sound Bostonian to me.

lol, Im fro NJ, I just go to college in Boston.

Cannibalism is probably a last resort, not a first one...lol

Never too late to start. A year ago, I was where you are now, without the mass slaughter on my mind. Now, I'm good with almost everything for six months for three adults, including water in a desert environment. Not easy or cheap, but it's almost there and I sleep ever so much better.

I wouldnt be eating the people I killed, silly. I would be hunting deer and such to eat before I hunted people to eat. Im just saying, ill take what I need and quickly dispose of those in my way or that I feel propose a danger to myself or those I care to protect. There are multiple points in and around my home town I would strike within the first few days of a EOTWAWKNI situation. Not that I wouldnt eat a person if I came down to needing too. But I would hate to see the situation that im stuck in where eating a person is my only option.

As for starting to prep, as a college student who is all over the place, (back and forth to NJ and Boston) it would be hard to set up more then a little bit here or there. Once Im established in one location I will have plenty of preps, guna, ammo for myself and those close by that I care about.

May I say I'm rather glad you live across the country

/chuckle

Im actually a rather passive person. Most people wouldnt believe I would have no problem killing. Maybe I would when it came down to it and I just like to think strongly of my survival instincts.

Truth be told, Im looking forward to TEOTWAWKI. I think it is needed. We are a dieing planet and species, every day we continue as is we are its one step closer to our own destruction. Unless we have a massive population decrease I dont think theres much of a chance our species will survive the next hundred years or so. A world wide population loss of 65-80% would be ideal in my eyes. Granted that doesnt put my statistical survival chances in good shape but I am confidant in my abilities to survive on my own.

fake edit: sorry for my many spelling and grammer errors, its late and I cant sleep. Im also typing on a wireless keyboard from bed so Im not in a good typing position.

 

[VesperSparrow]

What would some of you do if you saw an unarmed person walking up the driveway or trail to your prep hideaway? Wouldja shoot 'em? What if they were crawling and begging for help? What if they had a kid or 2 in tow obviously sick (or not)?
Do you draw a line in helping others or are you the type that would help regardless?
Because other than the wigged out druggies that need a fix, I can see alot of hungry people out there, trying to survive..
So what do you do? Give them some water and food and send them on their way? Shoot them, get them out of their misery because sometimes they come back , or run them off with threat of death?

Is there even any option other than one with some of you?

I can imagine all kinds of scenarios, but truth is, we really don't know.
I see some places in this world, not only right now, but even in the past where the citizens have let their government run them right into the grave. And still do. \
I don't know whether they are waiting on the Lord or some dark shadowy mojo to save them but they are still dying at the hands of their leaders. You see thousands even millions of hungry Africans (for instance) dying...now you'd think that they outnumber the ones that are eating their food....and you'd think they'd stand up together....but they do not. So they die.

I'm just curious really though if there is line you have set when it comes to helping others....

 

[Terriannie]

I only put 1 month down but it's actually more like 3 months barring extra mouths to feed. (I got a lot of DGI's in my family.)

Sigh.

I've pretty much resigned the fact that I'll be depending a whole lot on prayer as main preps.

 

[Burt Gummer]

Renork says: Im unprepped but would have no trouble killing as many people as it would take for me to survive so I guess Im mentaly prepared. I dont think things will go much more then a year or two before the shit hits the perverbial fan.


Your theory will work for a while on the sheeple but it is not a good long term plan. In my opinion, in a post TEOTWAWKI life, there may not be law enforcement agencies and there may not be "law and order" , but there will still be "law and justice". If a person, especailly a stranger, is even thought of being guilty of murder (and it wont be a "beyond a shadow of a doubt, innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your brothers" type process) swift justice will likely prevail. You'll be hung so as not to waste a valuable bullet. Serious people who prep are not just worried about food and water. They are also prepping for threats like you.