…… How Do I Build Back Healthy Gut Flora Afrer Heavy Regimen of Anti abiotics?

Wildwood

Veteran Member
What turned you off the idea?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSNwXVE8Tg&ab_channel=WrightOhnWrightOhnWrightOhn
Video is just under 6 minutes.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUAWFfJAUfI&ab_channel=WrightOhnWrightOhnWrightOhn

video is 10 min 30 seconds

This sounds too much like some scary reactions I have when I'm getting a migraine...they are often triggered by some kind of allergy. I also have a similar reaction to too much micronized protein...probably spelling that wrong. Also, the insulin thing hits close to home.

If you have none of these issues, give it a shot. I want to but I'm going to wait and see if any more info comes along. Just to find the link for this, I realize there is already a lot more than when I first researched several months ago.
 

MaxKohler

Member
It's a little frustrating to see fermented foods constantly promoted as the best option. They do not contain host-native microbes, so they cannot restore the host-native microbes that antibiotics kill off. Similarly for high CFU probiotics and multi-strain probiotics. These have been widely recommended for the past decade but they are not evidence-based recommendations. I'm particularly frustrated to see them continually recommended because I got extremely poor results from them, and it was only when I found evidence-based recommendations did I start to experience profound benefits.

I wrote this probiotic guide that covers the evidence on this topic to attempt to stem the tide of this widespread misinformation: Guide to Probiotics - Human Microbiome Wiki

I agree that FMT is the "best" option, but the problem is that high-quality donors are extremely rare. I've used 13+ different FMT donors and still haven't reversed a variety of damage done by antibiotics.

Here is some info on why high-quality stool donors are so rare.

Similarly for prebiotics. They're generally considered to be good, but if your gut doesn't have the necessary microbes required to digest them properly they can be harmful. After FMTs from numerous donors, I still can't tolerate oatmeal.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSNwXVE8Tg&ab_channel=WrightOhnWrightOhnWrightOhn
Video is just under 6 minutes.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUAWFfJAUfI&ab_channel=WrightOhnWrightOhnWrightOhn

video is 10 min 30 seconds

This sounds too much like some scary reactions I have when I'm getting a migraine...they are often triggered by some kind of allergy. I also have a similar reaction to too much micronized protein...probably spelling that wrong. Also, the insulin thing hits close to home.

If you have none of these issues, give it a shot. I want to but I'm going to wait and see if any more info comes along. Just to find the link for this, I realize there is already a lot more than when I first researched several months ago.

Finally got to watch the first vid, and in it she says she's a hypoglycemic / Carnivore diet, which may explain her reaction.

Hypoglycemia is certainly no fun, so I can see the issue.

My experience with L. Ruteri hasn't lead to that outcome... May have even had a bit of mood-lifting effect associated with it; which has been described in a different video by the Dr. that did the book "Wheat Belly". Sorry, no link...
 

Wildwood

Veteran Member
Finally got to watch the first vid, and in it she says she's a hypoglycemic / Carnivore diet, which may explain her reaction.

Hypoglycemia is certainly no fun, so I can see the issue.

My experience with L. Ruteri hasn't lead to that outcome... May have even had a bit of mood-lifting effect associated with it; which has been described in a different video by the Dr. that did the book "Wheat Belly". Sorry, no link...
Funny you should follow up...I've been reconsidering myself and started more research after you posted. Life is a little hectic right now but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and plan to pursue it in a few weeks I'll find the video...thanks!
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Good thread!

I’m at the last four days of Doxycycline thank the Lord!

But just when I thought I was doing the right things such as drinking kefir and eating Stony Creek Farms Probiotic yogurt…..(which is usually at the time I take my Doxy to coat my stomach) ….I read you should NOT consume dairy with that drug because they prevent the antibiotic from working properly.

The stomach upset from Doxy was starting to hit me on Friday so I’ve really been trying to do what I can to stop the nausea.

Guess I should have known that ahead of time. :(

As far as probiotic foods go also, bananas are high in them and can help.

I hope OP is feeling better.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Good thread!

I’m at the last four days of Doxycycline thank the Lord!

But just when I thought I was doing the right things such as drinking kefir and eating Stony Creek Farms Probiotic yogurt…..(which is usually at the time I take my Doxy to coat my stomach) ….I read you should NOT consume dairy with that drug because they prevent the antibiotic from working properly.

The stomach upset from Doxy was starting to hit me on Friday so I’ve really been trying to do what I can to stop the nausea.

Guess I should have known that ahead of time. :(

As far as probiotic foods go also, bananas are high in them and can help.

I hope OP is feeling better.
That's true, but we always added tetracycline to milk when we had a bad bug going through our barn cats (on the recommendation of our vet) and it worked just fine. When I asked about it, he said it inhibits the tetracycline/doxycycline activity somewhat, but not enough to matter *in most cases*.

AllDayChemist sells doxycycline capsules which contain a probiotic along with the drug! It's been my go-to for years for dogs (and people) with Lyme.

On the Lactobacillus reuterii probiotic..prebiotic... it sounded interesting, , so,, since I'm already making yogurt regularly, , I bought some cultures. I followed the directions (which essentially was to sterilize the milk, killing off all other natural lactobacillus strains (we have raw milk), and culturing it for 24 hours.

The result was a rather "sharp" tasting yogurt, but holy cow! Does it work! Hubby ended up mixing a tablespoon or so in a half cup of regular yogurt, and said he noticed the difference almost immediately. Our son has been taking some very expensive probiotic capsules, and among other benefits (more energy, sleeping better, and the elimination of about 30# of "stress belly"), it improved his digestion so, as he said, he was "pooping 3x a day"! Nothing at all abnormal about the stool... just everything was clearly moving through his system much faster.

Hubby tried that brand of capsules, but didn't notice much in the way of results. However, the L. Reuterii yogurt HAS produced similar results, and while he's never had a weight problem, at 70 he was unhappy with some thickening around his waist and small "love handles", even though he's extremely active and eats very well.

About a month after starting the yogurt daily, that stubborn 5# disappeared! No changes in his diet or exercise otherwise. And he also noticed the digestive process moving faster.

I've stocked the cultures in the freezer, but I also freeze 4 ounces of the freshly made yogurt every time, and it can be reused as a culture several times before needing to start fresh, which is even more of a money saver.

Well worth trying, IMHO.

Summerthyme
 
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BenIan

Veteran Member
I make my own kefir & have a kefir smoothie every morning. Kefir grain kit is about $20-30 from cultures for health.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's true, but we always added tetracycline to milk when we had a bad bug going through our barn cats (on the recommendation of our vet) and it worked just fine. When I asked about it, he said it inhibits the tetracycline/doxycycline activity somewhat, but not enough to matter *in most cases*.

AllDayChemist sells doxycycline capsules which contain a probiotic along with the drug! It's been my go-to for years for dogs (and people) with Lyme.

On the Lactobacillus reuterii probiotic..prebiotic... it sounded interesting, , so,, since I'm already making yogurt regularly, , I bought some cultures. I followed the directions (which essentially wants to to sterilize the milk, killing off all other natural lactobacillus strains (we have raw milk), and culturing it for 24 hours.

The result was a rather "sharp" tasting yogurt, but holy cow! Does it work. Hubby ended up mixing a tablespoon or so in a half cup of regular yogurt, and said he noticed the difference almost immediately. Our son has been taking some very expensive probiotic capsules, and among other benefits (more energy, sleeping better, and the elimination of about 30# of "stress belly"), it improved his digestion so, as he said, he was "pooping 3x a day"! Nothing at all abnormal about the stool... just everything was clearly moving through his system much faster.

Hubby tried that brand of capsules, but didn't notice much in the way of results. However, the L. Reuterii yogurt HAS produced similar results, and while he's never had a weight problem, at 70 he was unhappy with some thickening around his waist and small "love handles", even though he's extremely active and eats very well.

About a month after starting the yogurt daily, that stubborn 5# disappeared! No changes in his diet or exercise otherwise. And he also noticed the digestive process moving faster.

I've stocked the cultures in the freezer, but I also freeze 4 ounces of the freshly made yogurt every time, and it can be reused as a culture several times before needing to start fresh, which is even more of a money saver.

Well worth trying, IMHO.

Summerthyme
Thank you Summer!
 

Wildwood

Veteran Member
That's true, but we always added tetracycline to milk when we had a bad bug going through our barn cats (on the recommendation of our vet) and it worked just fine. When I asked about it, he said it inhibits the tetracycline/doxycycline activity somewhat, but not enough to matter *in most cases*.

AllDayChemist sells doxycycline capsules which contain a probiotic along with the drug! It's been my go-to for years for dogs (and people) with Lyme.

On the Lactobacillus reuterii probiotic..prebiotic... it sounded interesting, , so,, since I'm already making yogurt regularly, , I bought some cultures. I followed the directions (which essentially was to sterilize the milk, killing off all other natural lactobacillus strains (we have raw milk), and culturing it for 24 hours.

The result was a rather "sharp" tasting yogurt, but holy cow! Does it work! Hubby ended up mixing a tablespoon or so in a half cup of regular yogurt, and said he noticed the difference almost immediately. Our son has been taking some very expensive probiotic capsules, and among other benefits (more energy, sleeping better, and the elimination of about 30# of "stress belly"), it improved his digestion so, as he said, he was "pooping 3x a day"! Nothing at all abnormal about the stool... just everything was clearly moving through his system much faster.

Hubby tried that brand of capsules, but didn't notice much in the way of results. However, the L. Reuterii yogurt HAS produced similar results, and while he's never had a weight problem, at 70 he was unhappy with some thickening around his waist and small "love handles", even though he's extremely active and eats very well.

About a month after starting the yogurt daily, that stubborn 5# disappeared! No changes in his diet or exercise otherwise. And he also noticed the digestive process moving faster.

I've stocked the cultures in the freezer, but I also freeze 4 ounces of the freshly made yogurt every time, and it can be reused as a culture several times before needing to start fresh, which is even more of a money saver.

Well worth trying, IMHO.

Summerthyme
Would you mind sharing where you got your cultures...sounds like you got a good strain.
 
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