H5N1 human deaths in China - this may be it folks

Kim99

Veteran Member
Just Wondering, just read your last post... you are obviously very knowledgable about this subject. When you say large quantities of C and selenium and others, could you give amounts? What should an average adult be taking daily to help them ward off bird flu ( or at least have a less virulent case ) ? Thanks, Kim

Edited to add- Just read plain o joe's post about the vitamin police. I would like to stock up on the necessary vitamins now, do you also know what the shelf life for these are? Thanks
 
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Martin

Deceased
Mysterious Disease Killing Cattle in Tripura, India

Recombinomics Commentary
June 11, 2005

>> as soon as the cow contracts the disease it suffers from high fever and its hooves, udders and tongue swell up with an ulcerous growth. "Generally the cow or the bull dies within two days secreting excessive saliva." Rambabu Yadav who has lost five milch cows said there is no point in calling the doctor once the cow is inflicted with the disease because within a matter of two days the animal will die. It is feared that at least 1,245 cows and at least 2,000 bulls will die in the epidemic.,,.....

I am retired, nobody calls me but I am sure that this killer disease is not hoof-sickness because the symptoms are different," said Paritosh Mazumder, a vet. He said the situation needs to be brought under control and senior doctors of the animal resource department should inspect the animals. <<


The above description of an animal outbreak in Tripura near Agartala, India sounds remarkably like the outbreak near Qinghai Lake Nature Reserve in China. The Abundant News reports indicated the domestic animals (cows and sheep) were dying from H5N1 and a second agent. The ProMed report of the outbreak in India quoted government authorities as calling the disease "foot and mouth disease and a viral effect".

Thus, it would seem to be some sort of atypical disease that requires more investigation. China has sent bird flu vaccine to Qinghia (where migratory birds are dying from H5N1), Xinjiang (where domestic geese are dying from H5N1) and Tibet (where migrating bar headed geese pass over while migrating from the northern plains of India to Qinghai Lake in China.

Agartala is in northeast India, about 200 miles from the border with Tibet and about 800 miles south of Qinghai Lake. Agartala is also very close to Bengladesh and Mayanmar borders.

More information, including H5N1 status of associated people and birds, would be useful.


http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06110501/Cattle_Tripura.html
 

Just Wondering

Southern Sloth
Kim99 said:
Just Wondering, just read your last post... you are obviously very knowledgable about this subject. When you say large quantities of C and selenium and others, could you give amounts? What should an average adult be taking daily to help them ward off bird flu ( or at least have a less virulent case ) ? Thanks, Kim
I can't, because some states in USA are selenium rich and some are selenium poor.

Given that I'm working from a borrowed computer and can't give you the link for the map which shows which state is what, I can't advise. Even then its hard, because usually the selenium poor states would buy some food in from selenium rich area, but I'm not sure that's done, as I don't live in USA.

Here, the whole country is severely selenium deficient, so the normal 70 - 90 mcgs doesn't apply to us. I take 200 mcgs daily.

In terms of vitamin C, if you do a trial using C-stix (which is a type of litmus paper that measure urinary spill over, that will determine how much you need.

I require twice as much as my husband before I change the colour of the paper, but when I'm sick I need about 6 times as much as he does. I do have an immunodeficiency, so that will have something to do with it.

Obviously, taking vitamins isn't a simple issue. vitamin C used as a vitamin, requires bioflavinoids.

Also, if you have the haemachromatosis gene you ned to be careful, becuase vitamin C increases your absorption of iron by 6 x, so you wouldn't want to do being that, as iron overload also predisposes to infections. If you're a young woman, that's fine, because regular periods keep it in control, but for men with the haemachromatosis gene, I would be careful.

However, during infection that's another story. there is no upper limit, as its not being used as a vitamin, and it has a different function.

Also, during infection, iron is pulled out of the body and laid down in the bones anyway. Serum Ferritin levels only become a threat when they get over 1000. Even normal people who are very sick, will find their serum ferritin level will rise to 300+ after serious illness, then gradually, as the body needs it, it will pull it out again.

The only upper limit for vitamin C in infection, even for people with a haemachromatosis gene, is what your body sucks up before you get the runs, or the C-stix changes colour. when you are sick, you body becomes a sponge for vitamin C. All viruses though, also require vitamin A.

I find for me, that EFA's and Cod Liver Oil is important... I also take extra magnesium, as I'm deficient chronically in that.

Everyone is different. You have to learn what your biochemical uniquenesses are, and then try to fill the gaps. For me, those are specific.

For my husband they are different.

Ideally though if you are into gardening,you will have used heaps of rock dust over the years, compost and various natural additions, and built up your soil mineral structure and your plants should be good and strong with plenty of minerals.... Obviously, not everyone can do that, and the climate is changing, despite what some would say. I've noticed huge changes in the growing seasons in the last three years, and its harder to grow things naturally, as our growing season now has a regular, relentless cold snap in the middle.

So while it would be nice to do it naturally, the reality is that it isn't always possible. For a start, you might live in a city... :D

I try to get what I can from my food, but its just not possible.

Edited to add- Just read plain o joe's post about the vitamin police. I would like to stock up on the necessary vitamins now, do you also know what the shelf life for these are? Thanks

Well, down here, it depends on what it is, and which company manufactures them.

But....

Why is it, that vitamins are find until, say January 2006 and then come February they are no good?

I think that for some compounds expiry dates are moot. For EFA's they are not, but you should keep them in the fridge (or permafrost ;) ) anyway. Other things I try to take under the use-by-date, but if you are in a situation where the vitamin police have tried to shut you down, and you've stocked up, and get to some where the date is passed the use by date, you have to ask yourself this.

If I do nothing, what is the result? Nothing.

Is taking something after the expiry date, better than doing nothing?

I think the answer has to be yes to the second one.

Having said that, if the supplement concerned smells strange, or unusual, then don't take it. You get to know what your regular supplements smell and taste like, and its easy to see or smell if there is something wrong. Sometimes the colour goes funny. Maybe moisture gets in, and the tablet swells and splits. And with B supplements, they will smell wrong.
 

Kim99

Veteran Member
Wow, Just Wondering, thank you so much for your reply! I've never heard of those C-stix, will get some this week. Also will do some research on selenium-rich states. I've had a hysterectomy so don't know how that will effect the haemachromatosis factor(something I definitely have not heard of), but luckily with the internet we can find out just about anything we need. I had no idea this was so complicated! Thanks again for your time and answers. I've got some work to do :lol: Kim
 

Just Wondering

Southern Sloth
Not sure that they make them any more. But Pregnancy sticks used to have a section which showed vitamin C urinary spill over. I used them for a while, as they were cheaper to get in than C-stix... but that was some time ago. But a friend told me recently, that she'd not been able to get any for a while. Whether that's because of us living at the bottom of the world I don't know.

Once you've done it for a while, and kept notes, you pick up signals in your body which "tell" you when you've got the dose right. It takes a while, but you learn to "read" your body.

Most people I know, just go by bowel tolerance. If you get the runs you've taken too much. "runs" happen about an hour after a the body has "had enough".

Haemachromatosis gene is only defined by a blood test. If you've had a hysterectomy, and have a family history of it, then its important to know. Though many people who have it, don't know they have a family history of it until the first person is found and then the rest are tested. Then everyone says "Oh so that's why uncle so-and-so had X, Y and Z?"

Yes, do a bit of reading around, and its not quite as simple as people think. The key to vitamin absorption is minerals. They are your foundations, and then vitamins are the floor with amino acids. Everything else in the house is on the back of them, and they work together like a spider web.

for instance, you can't just take one thing and expect everything to be okay elsewhere. If you take too much zinc, it can mess up other minerals.

You need to read articles like this one:

http://www.health2us.com/zn_cu.htm

If youy put "mineral balance" into a google search, you will come up with interesting articles.

The other thing you should research is probiotics, becuase if your gut flora isn't right, you can't absorb your minerals properly.
 

Hannah

Contributing Member
Found this at STA

Hannah

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June 12, 2005

Bird Flu Breaks ‘Final Barrier’, Human to Human Transmission Begins, China Seals Internal Borders, WHO Issues Desperate Warning and UN states, “Prepare For The Worst”

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Western Media Sources are reporting today on the findings of Russian Scientists that the ‘final barrier’ of the mutating Bird Flu Virus has been broken and the much dreaded pandemic has begun, and as we can read as reported by the British Independent News Service in their article titled "Fears that new strain of bird flu will kill millions" and which says;

"International experts fear that bird flu is mutating into a strain that will cause a worldwide pandemic, killing many millions of people after the mass deaths of wild birds in China.Unconfirmed reports say that more than 100 people have also died, suggesting that the virus may have evolved to pass from person to person, breaking the final barrier preventing a worldwide catastrophe.

The Chinese government, while denying the reports of human deaths, has adopted emergency measures in Xinjiang, its remote north-western province, and has sealed off affected areas with roadblocks and closed all nature reserves. "We are worried," says Noureddin Mona, of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation's representatives in Beijing. "We should be prepared for the worst."

Also being reported is that the World Health Organization has issued yet another desperate warning to Western Nations, and as we can read as reported by the Israeli Haaretz News Service in their article titled "WHO warns of worldwide deadly flu epidemic" and which says;

"The message that came out of the international conference on the avian flu epidemic, which swept Vietnam this February, was clear: The virus that killed hundreds of thousands of birds and dozens of people in recent years is about to mutate and cause a worldwide epidemic. The World Health Organization (WHO) estimated last month that millions of people will die of the new flu, which a senior WHO official called "inevitable."

Russian Intelligence Analysts are also reporting today an unusually high volume of traffic on US Military secure communications frequencies, that combined with an accelerated movement within the United States of their Military Forces are indications of their preparing to seal their borders like the Chinese are currently doing in their interior regions.

Our previous reporting on these dire events in our report titled “Chinese Government Admits To Massive Epidemics as World Health Organization Granted Sweeping New Powers over All Nations and Peoples on Earth" clearly show also the likelihood that this pandemic will be the likely event to trigger massive changes in the alignments of the World’s Great Powers, even to the establishing of what Westerners refer to as ‘The New World Order’.

To the worlds peoples though the greater concern should be in the protection of their lives from this devastating pandemic through the strengthening of their immune systems by eliminating from their diets the Genetically Modified foods created by their monstrous corporations, and as we have previously reported on in our report titled "Mutated Bird Flu Hits Dogs in United States, Tens of Thousands Killed as US Government Issues News Censorship Orders Under New Quarantine Provision Laws" and wherein we had stated;

“So serious have these genetically modified foods so affected the Americans that their Centers for Disease Control has begun to treat the obesity epidemic caused by these GM foods as a serious disease, and as we can read as reported by the New York Times News Service in their article titled "C.D.C. Team Investigates an Outbreak of Obesity" and which says;

"For the first time, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has sent a team of specialists into a state, West Virginia, to study an outbreak of obesity in the same way it studies an outbreak of an infectious disease. Kerri Kennedy, the program manager at the West Virginia Physical Activity and Nutrition Program, said the state had requested the agency's investigation. "We were looking at our data," Ms. Kennedy said, and saw that "we are facing a severe health crisis."

Not just to our warnings are these American peoples not heeding, but even to the many of their own fellow citizens, such as the Network of Concerned Farmers who have also warned of these dangers, and as we can read as reported by them;

"According to a March 2001 article in the New York Times, "The CDC (Centre for Disease Control) now says that food is responsible for twice the number of illnesses in the United States as scientists thought just seven years ago... At least 80% of food-related illnesses are caused by viruses or other pathogens that scientists cannot even identify." The reported cases include 5,000 deaths, 325,000 hospitalizations, and 76 million illnesses per year. This increase roughly corresponds to the period when Americans have been eating GM food. In addition, obesity has skyrocketed. In 1990, no state had 15% or more of its population in the obese category. By 2001, only one state didn't. Diabetes rose by 33% from 1990 to 1998, lyphatic cancers are up, and many other illnesses are on the rise. Is there a connection to GM foods? We have no way of knowing because no one has looked for one."

Not being reported to the American citizens is that a secret study linking GM foods to the destruction of the human bodies immune system, the aforementioned obesity epidemic and the alarming rise of child autism in the United States has been suppressed from their knowledge, and only to the German courts has orders been issued for this secret studies release, and as we can read as reported by the British Independent News Service in their article titled "Judges order disclosure of secret study on GM risks" and which says,

"Judges have ordered the publication of a secret study which has raised fears that eating GM food may harm human health, after it was revealed in The Independent on Sunday last month. A court in Cologne last week granted Greenpeace access to the 1,139-page study - by the giant biotech firm Monsanto - which found that rats fed a modified corn had smaller kidneys and raised levels of white blood cells and lymphocytes compared with those fed a non-GM corn."

Though many things about these events can, and have been said, what remains beyond comprehension is how what was once one of the most free nations on earth, The United States, has allowed itself to become the most controlled and despised by the entire world, even to the circumstance that their Military Leaders have contracted out $300 Million (US) to begin a massive world-wide Psyops Campaign to improve their ‘image’, and as we can read as reported by the Washington Post News Service in their article titled "Pentagon hires firms to polish U.S. image abroad" and which says;

"The Pentagon awarded three contracts last week, potentially worth up to $300 million over five years, to companies it hopes will inject more creativity into its psychological-operations efforts to improve foreign public opinion about the United States, particularly the military. "We would like to be able to use cutting-edge types of media," said Col. James Treadwell, director of the Joint Psychological Operations Support Element, a part of Tampa, Fla.-based U.S. Special Operations Command. "If you want to influence someone, you have to touch their emotions."

How utterly absurd that instead of preparing and protecting their citizens from mass death the American Military Leaders instead want to “touch the emotions” of foreigners who do not like them.


cont...

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index759.htm
 

Martin

Deceased
11.06.2005

Germans Move to Prevent Bird Flu

After the outbreak of the deadly avian flu virus in Asia, experts warned that migratory birds could carry the virus across the globe. In Germany, scientists are studying how to prevent this from happening.




An outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, a few years back killed 800 people world-wide and hit several Asian economies hard. The global community saw itself facing a highly contagious virus and moved fast to close off infectious regions, quarantining entire cities and blocking off major transport routes. The SARS scare sent a wake-up call to the international health community and drove home the necessity of global cooperation in preventing such epidemics.



Scientists are now worried about a strain of bird flu, known as H5N1, which has already killed several dozen people in Asia and has the potential to mutate into this century's first pandemic, rivaling the 1918 Spanish flu which killed millions. The avian flu virus is currently transmitted by domestic birds. It hits mostly in regions where poultry and human beings live in closely confined spaces.



Although at the moment H5N1 cannot be easily transmitted from human to human, scientists say it is only a matter of time until this happens. They also worry that migratory birds could carry the virus around the planet and thus spread the epidemic. Last month, more than 1,000 migratory geese were found dead from the strain of avian flu in China, an early warning sign of the virus' ability to spread, said German virologist Robert Webster.



"At the end of the breeding season, bareheaded geese migrate to India and across the Himalayas," he said. "Chances are that the H5N1 from Asia will increase, and that is not good news, because the north and south migration routes all overlap."



Slow transmission around the globe



Webster, who is advising all countries to check their wild bird populations for the virus, said it may not reach Europe this year, but given time the virus will slowly transmit across the breeding ranges of various birds.



"It is not encouraging," he said.



Anja Globig, who works for the Federal Research Institute for Animal Health on the island of Riems, heeded the warning and called on volunteers and hunters to take probes from the droppings of wild birds. After collecting more than 2,500 probes of ducks, geese, swans, sea gulls, storks and birds of prey, she injected the material into live chicken eggs. In 21 cases, the virus appeared.



"Among the ducks, which are regarded to be carriers of the influenza, 7.7 percent turned out to be positive," she said. "In one location in Germany, on the island of Föhr, we found 14 percent of the wild birds to be carriers of the virus, which is a lot."



Wild geese the "culprits"?



However, she also warned that the viruses detected were not related to the Asian avian flu virus, the H5N1. But there were viruses among those detected which have the potential to mutate and can trigger diseases in chickens, as a 2003 outbreak of avian plague in the Netherlands showed.



There, chickens were infected with a virus called H7N7, most likely transmitted by wild geese. In the tight confines of the chicken stalls, the virus was able to adapt and spread. Some 30 million birds needed to be slaughtered, almost 100 people were infected, and a veterinarian treating the chickens died.



In order to prevent a repeat of the epidemic, Globig said free range chickens need to be put under special observation.



Mandatory testing



"The most important thing is not to feed the animals out in the open, which attracts wild birds," she said. Apart from that, poultry should be checked twice a year for the sub-types of avian flu.



In the German state of Lower Saxony, such regular tests are already mandatory. If one of the virus strains is detected, the birds must be slaughtered before the virus can mutate and pose a threat to human and animal health. Alternatively, animal breeders could adopt a widespread vaccination of poultry, a practice still not readily available on the market.



Virologists like Robert Webster have stressed the importance of investing more research in developing effective vaccines.



"There is great emphasis in putting energy into vaccine strategies for humans," he said. "I would argue that the first emphasis should be stopping the H5N1 virus at the source: domestic ducks and chickens."




Author Vokart Wildermuth (ktz)


http://www.dw-world.de/dwelle/cda/popups/dwelle.cda.popups.drucken/0,,1446_AD_1611128_A,00.html
 

Martin

Deceased
H7N2 Bird Flu on Duck Farm in Sullivan New York

Recombinomics Commentary
June 14, 2005

>> South Korea has halted the import of poultry products from New York state after the United States reported a suspicious case of bird flu in the region, the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry said on Tuesday.

The U.S. Agriculture Department informed the World Organization for Animal Health on June 10 of the outbreak of a low-pathogenic bird flu case on a duck farm in Sullivan, New York, the ministry said.

The virus is known as the H7N2 strain, but it can develop into a high-pathogenic one and infect humans, the ministry said, adding the U.S. farm authorities are conducting further tests. <<


Additional testing of H7N2 in New York will be of interest. The two avian sero-types that have produced reported fatalities in humans are H5N1 and H7N7. Highly pathogenic versions of both sero-types have been isolated with a polybasic cleavage site. H7 appears to be efficiently transmitted human-to-human, but disease is usually mild. The largest outbreak in humans was in 2003 in the Netherlands involving H7N7. H7N7 has also caused equine flu. This season H7 has been detected in North Korea and Indonesia.

Last season H7N2 bird flu was detected in the United States in the Delmarva peninsula. In addition, H7N2 antibodies were detected in a New York resident who was hospitalized for two weeks in November 2003 with fever and cough.

More information on the H7N2 in New York this year would be useful.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/06140501/H7N2_Duck_NY.html



Interesting...
Edited to add this



June 14, 2005 Edition > Section: New York

Fresh and Direct: Live-Poultry Markets Multiply in New York
BY DANIELA GERSON - Staff Reporter of the Sun
June 14, 2005
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/15372

As a pair of Mexican workers, one with a fleck of chicken flesh on his cap, rolled plastic trash cans brimming with fresh intestines across the wet, feather littered floor, customers waiting for their orders at Delancey Live Poultry barely took a second look. Instead, they remained patiently in line, content to pay a little more to get their meat freshly killed rather than neatly packaged at a supermarket.

Live-poultry markets are booming in New York, thanks to influxes of immigrants accustomed to buying meat from such establishments in their native countries. It's a sea change from 25 years ago, when such markets had all but disappeared. In 1980, the state Department of Agriculture and Markets, the agency that regulates them, counted just six. Today, 80 exist in the five boroughs, concentrated in immigrant neighborhoods.

Much of the jump has occurred in the past decade - the city had only 20 shops in 1996. Today, Brooklyn alone has 28, the same number as Los Angeles, the American city with the second largest number of live-poultry markets.

When she moved to New York from Bangladesh 13 years ago, Wahida Khair recalled, a live-poultry shop was one of the first services she looked for. She ended up trekking from her home in Queens to downtown Manhattan. Nearer to home, she could purchase chicken from a halal butcher, but fresh is always tastier, Ms.Khair, an observant Muslim, said. These days, near her home in Sunnyside, she has a choice of stores where she can pick out a chicken while it's still squawking, or an occasional goat.

At RD's Live Poultry Market in Ozone Park, Queens - which sells chickens, ducks, lamb, and goats - the butcher said that in its 11 years of existence, the business has kept growing and diversifying from its Indian Guyanese roots to serve other immigrant groups. West Indians, "Hispanic customers, a couple of white people, Africans, some Russians, and Jewish people" all shop there now, the butcher, Dhanpaul Ramanand, said.

Across ethnic lines, chicken is the top product, but almost daily Mr. Ramanand sells a goat. He said that "$180 to $200 buys you a nice goat," and within a half-hour, he'll prepare it to the customer's tastes.

"Some people just need the whole thing to be cut up in pieces, some people might need a lamb chop," he said. "We prepare it for the customer how they need it by hand."

The Delancey Street market, which, after 20 years in business, started to make deliveries a few months ago, is particularly adept at catering to its multi-cultural clientele.

On a steamy day last week, the market's pungent smell poured out into the block under the Williamsburg Bridge in Manhattan. Inside, a bearded Yemeni manager was negotiating in Spanish with a regular customer as she picked out hens.

After the customer prodded various hens to check if they were still lively and searched for the reddest beaks - a trick she said she learned from her mother, who raised poultry in her native Dominican Republic - she chose four.

The manager then deftly placed them in an oversize supermarket cart and rolled them over to a Chinese butcher wearing a blood-spattered apron. Standing next to a Spanish-language sign listing prices for delicacies such as chicken feet, with practiced efficiency he tied the claws of two hens with a piece of string to weigh the animals upside down. The hens disappeared rapidly to the back of the store, where the sound of knives being sharpened competed with the chatter of hens, ducks, and chicks in the metal cages.

Working behind the scenes was a Moroccan butcher in rubber work boots. Like most of the city's live-poultry markets, the market offers halal slaughters, where the animal is killed with a special prayer in accordance with Islamic law. In addition, at the Delancey Street market, when needed a rabbi is called in to kill within kosher law, and the Chinese butcher can perform Buddhist ritual slaughters.

For the hens, the next stop was the Mexican workers, who, with the help of a machine, cleaned and plucked them. This, they said, was the only difference from the process in their native Puebla, where the plucking is done slowly by hand.

Within minutes, the hens reappeared through a small window. Now with pimply pink flesh exposed, the birds were wrapped in a plastic bag and ready for dinner.

Uptown, at La Granja, a poultry market at 126th Street and Amsterdam Avenue in Morningside Heights, the walls are similarly lined with rabbits, ducks, and types of chicken that never make it to the supermarket shelf. The mostly Dominican customers there gave similar reasons as those at Delancey Street: Picking dinner out alive provides a better-tasting, healthier meal.

"I don't mind seeing them alive before I eat them - in fact, I prefer it," Norma Garcia, 40, said in Spanish as she waited for three chickens to be slaughtered and plucked. "I can see that they're healthy birds and their meat is much more fresh and tasty, which are both concerns for me because I have children."

A customer waiting next to her, Ramon Silva, said: "The supermarket tells you their chicken is killed no more than two days ago, but, well, that's what they tell you. You don't know. Here you can see it with your eyes."

The spokesman for the trade association for the chicken companies, the National Chicken Council, dismissed any allegations that live is better.

Indeed, Richard Lobb said live chicken shops could pose dangers. The spread of avian flu, he said, is attributed to the transport of mixed birds to and from farms and markets. He noted that the disease, a variation of which devastated the industry in Southeast Asia, broke out last year at farms in Maryland and Pennsylvania. New York has the strictest regulations in the country, and both Mr. Lobb and a spokeswoman for the state, Jessica Chittenden, said the agency is doing an effective job of monitoring the disease, which is pathogenic in birds not humans. Inspectors check stores for cleanliness, conditions of birds, and slaughtering materials on a regular basis.

With no real safety risk to the consumer, Mr. Lobb said personal taste was the only reason he could see to shop for a chicken while it's still alive.

"If you prefer to look your dinner in the eye before you buy it, that's your business, but there is nothing in a chicken that is going to fade off because it's been dead for a few days," he said.

One group that appears reluctant to embrace live markets is the children of their immigrant clients.

A Bangladeshi immigrant, Nasima Begum, who was shopping at the Delancey Street market said her children love her curry chicken, except if they see it live first at the market.

"They don't want to come here," she said. "They said it stinks."

Yet Ms. Begum would never choose a supermarket over a live market. The Moroccan butcher at the Delancey Street shop, Redonan El Gani, said that while the customers choose their purchases along ethnic lines - Chinese customers prefer the rabbits and ducks, while the Hispanic customers go for the big hens - they all shop there for the same reason: "People like to see it fresh."


http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=15372
 

Kim99

Veteran Member
If I only watched TV news and never came to this board, I'd have no idea what was going on in the world. Thanks again Martin.
 

Sharon

Inactive
And a big thanks from me as well.

Perhaps we should start another thread, this one is getting pretty big...maybe a weekly news update on the potential flu threat...just an idea. But, i don't want to miss anything here.
 
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