ALERT Gold Confiscation Act in the Works

China Connection

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Only posting it nothing else. I haven't noticed it posted on Timebomb and I know nothing of Paul Drockton
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I just received information from an inside source that they are in fact writing the legislation for a new gold confiscation act. I expect this to happen this fall. Here is how I see things playing out:

1. Executive Order, signed by Obama, that makes the ownership of gold a criminal offense.

2. Those that own gold will be instructed to surrender it in exchange for a set dollar amount.

3. Gold Confiscation will be sold to the general public as a necessary step to stabilizing the dollar and a return to the gold standard.

4. Ownership of gold will be sold as "unpatriotic" and "anti-American".

5. The act will be enforced by the United States Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service.

The Satanic Psychopaths have stolen our homes, our jobs and our life savings, placing many Americans on the receiving end of a government check. Those that they control through our tax dollars, and those that work for the Federal government will embrace this legislation. They will see it as a way to continue their current source of income.

The Satanists also use jealousy and class warfare as their favorite weapon. Gold owners will be treated as "domestic terrorists" that want to bring down the United States economy.

As I have said repeatedly. Sell your gold and buy silver. Email me at pdrockton@aol.com.

http://www.moneyteachers.org/gold+confiscation+act.htm
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Last time IIRC gold jewelry was exempt---likely to be true this time?

(Not to be construed as in any way defending THEFT of private property by Gov.----it's just that I had this vision of certain people loaded with bling who are very unlikely to give that up---or be expected to.)
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Very troubling and I think the people will go ballistic if it's true. I don't understand item #3 however. If the reason given will be to stabilize the dollar and return to the gold standard then why would they want to confiscate gold?
I don't own any gold myself.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
You have to own it for them to take it.

And who's to say that they won't want the silver too?

This Paul Drockton is on the Rense Radio network. I think his show comes on about 4pm eastern time. He SELLS silver for a living. Of course he is going to try to sell more of it.

Even if true, if people who actually bought gold and did it in small amounts at a time have it hid, do you really think they are going to give it up like they did in the 30's? I highly doubt it especially if they try to make the worth of an ounce of gold less than current market price. Most people are not going to fall for that. They wouldn't have put their wealth into gold in the first place to give it to the gov willingly.

If you own it, bury it deep. Don't put it into a bank safety box. Tell the irs or whoever you sold it to pay bills with. As long as it was in small amounts it wouldn't be recorded anyway.

Dream on .gov.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I websearched your article, CC, and it is now in many other places. Ask yourself -- why would they? Well, what did happen to the reported $3 trillion in gold under the towers? That's one thing.

In my websearch, this item popped up that you should read from 2004:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_04/willis112804.html

Please read and understand. The story of gold is more deep-rooted than most people can imagine. But I won't get into it all at the moment since it's hard for people to believe or deal with. But when the writer of the article said, "Satanic Psychopaths" above in CC's article, he is not wrong, let's just put it that way for now.


:dvl2:
 

Richard

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Very troubling and I think the people will go ballistic if it's true. I don't understand item #3 however. If the reason given will be to stabilize the dollar and return to the gold standard then why would they want to confiscate gold?

so they can give you a lower fixed price for it, the Govt would need more gold to back the currency
 

mzkitty

I give up.
so they can give you a lower fixed price for it, the Govt would need more gold to back the currency

Gold is a control mechanism instituted by the Satanic forces before the dawn of humanity on earth. Hard heads can continue to insist we need it, but that just plays into the Satanic paradigm, believe it or not. Do you really get why the Bible says love of money is the root of all evil? I don't think so for many people, especially those at the top. They will attempt kill all of humanity for it. I know quite a few people will say this is crazy, but it really is not. Money and gold and spiritual values should be on the same page, but are not, as you can see from the state of our country and around the world now, it is absolutely tied in together. For what this is worth to YOU.

:)
 

Double_A

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The government knows that gold, silver & platinum threaten the dollar.

The Government needs you to:

>Put money in the banks to be borrowed
>Put money in 401k's & IRA's so it can be borrowed
>Buy pieces of paper called bonds they say are worth something & backed by your faith in the gov.

All of this is necessary for the gov to take the efforts of your labor and allow the government to utilize it as they want. They will pay you interest, that does not exceed inflation.

The original post is some kind of self-serving scare to get you to buy silver, which would in fact be confiscated just like Gold.

I would be VERY surprised if the Gov does NOT attempt to confiscate precious metals. The OP is correct in that people who bought the US Mint's gold and silver eagle coins will be labeled at some point as unpatriotic, evil, money grubbing, bad people.
 

twincougars

Deceased
IF the confiscation program goes through, although one might say that they will just hide their gold, one has to look at the reason for keeping it in the first place. If you expect its value to grow in "dollars," well, if it becomes illegal to exchange it later on for dollars (dealers couldn't sell/buy it without being arrested), then that reason in shot down. It will be a dump your gold for cash while you can program. So, unless the public recognize gold as having actual value (being exchangeable for dollars or goods) than it may as well be rocks. People will only barter with it if it can repeatedly be used as a currency or exchanged for one. One can only hope that one's investment in gold will work out for the long-term, after the collapse of the regimes in power and reclamation of our country by its people.

The government hopes the people will collapse and totally give in to it, and the people hope the government will collapse. What a terrible state of affairs to have to live in!
 

Double_A

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IF the confiscation program goes through, although one might say that they will just hide their gold, one has to look at the reason for keeping it in the first place. If you expect its value to grow in "dollars," well, if it becomes illegal to exchange it later on for dollars (dealers couldn't sell/buy it without being arrested), then that reason in shot down. It will be a dump your gold for cash while you can program. So, unless the public recognize gold as having actual value (being exchangeable for dollars or goods) than it may as well be rocks. People will only barter with it if it can repeatedly be used as a currency or exchanged for one. One can only hope that one's investment in gold will work out for the long-term, after the collapse of the regimes in power and reclamation of our country by its people.

The government hopes the people will collapse and totally give in to it, and the people hope the government will collapse. What a terrible state of affairs to have to live in!

I've given this some thought and so far I've come to the same conclusion.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
The government hopes the people will collapse and totally give in to it, and the people hope the government will collapse. What a terrible state of affairs to have to live in!

i actually see that sentiment on the internet on a regular basis now. of course those on fixed incomes (SS and pensions) live in horror of such a day, but for the peasantry who are ever increasingly outraged at the incompetance/arrogance of our politicians/ beaurocrats, it is a natural sentiment derived from one's common sense.

unfortunately, a study of the globalists roots and goals make clear that their method of operation is based on "Order out of Chaos". this "Plan" of theirs (NWO) does not bode well for the rest of us who base our lives on a fair day's wages for a fair day's work, and above all, predictability of the rules of the game.

until one realizes that the powers that be intend to criminalize all who would exhibit those very character traits that made our ancestors great - individual initiative, "yankee" ingenuity, individual freedom, and the capability to defend it - then one is mired in an illusion of dependency upon the GREAT STATE.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
bet we will never return to the Gold Standard. The Feds want to stay in total control.

One of the more intelligent statements. Going to the gold standard gives China, Australia, and So. Africa a handle on our money supply because they produce maybe 1/3rd the world's gold. I am always intrigued by people who want to hand our finances over to foreigners.
 

Ponce

Contributing Member
They will not confiscate physical gold but instead will placed it in a very high tax bracket............they only way to save what you have is by direct transaction face to face with others.........it will happen.

Also...

Little by little the dollar will disappear from circulation and they will come out with a "Debit-Credit-Card" where all that you earn will go there and all that you spend will come out of there.......total monetary control, cash will be good only for as long as you have it to spend it because once you spend it the same will go to the bank and into the "Twilight Zone"........cash and PM will be king.............but of course the circulating dollar will have a lower value.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I believe everyday the powers of control plot to take our guns and our gold or silver. Might as well throw the Bible in also. These are huge threats to their conquest. Remember the NAZIs traded in gold for their war machine. Confiscated from the mouths of dead Jews. You think your any better with the current NAZIs. They haven't even changed their methods that much.
Never give up your guns or PMs. One goes with the other.
 

Kent

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I just received information from an inside source that they are in fact writing the legislation for a new gold confiscation act. I expect this to happen this fall. Here is how I see things playing out:

1. Executive Order, signed by Obama, that makes the ownership of gold a criminal offense.

An executive Order is not legislation.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
bet we will never return to the Gold Standard. The Feds want to stay in total control.

One of the more intelligent statements. Going to the gold standard gives China, Australia, and So. Africa a handle on our money supply because they produce maybe 1/3rd the world's gold. I am always intrigued by people who want to hand our finances over to foreigners.

Yep - like the Federal Reserve. A foreign (private) corporation.
 
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CC if you ARE a teacher, I wouldn't let you anywhere near my kids.


ANOTHER completely unsubstantiated rumour, by............. well CC.:rolleyes:


and as usual the unwashed masses are going nuts about it.


now ask yourself, if the well versed "preppers" start freaking out by yet another of a million unsubstantiated stories, how much are you going to freak out by rumours when sh_t really is hitting the fan?

a lot of you are no better than the 'mob', no matter how well versed in prepping and survival that you think you are.
 

China Connection

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I am not going to get caught on on the article being true or false however I have said here on Timebomb that I expected this to happen. This Paul Drockton is also a gold seller so it doesn't make sense for him to be passing on false information.

All the government has to do to bring about what they want is to ban buying or selling gold after a certain date. I had trouble in finding a buyer in Australia once. Selling a little bit to a local jeweler is different from selling a quantity.
 

Kent

Inactive
It won't matter. They now have EO's for simply everything. So when is the revolution? :dstrs:

I just received information from an inside source that they are in fact writing the legislation for a new gold confiscation act. I expect this to happen this fall. Here is how I see things playing out:

1. Executive Order, signed by Obama, that makes the ownership of gold a criminal offense.

"they" can right legislation, but that is not an EO. The terms are not interchangeable. The person writing this did not understand this concept, which does not bode well for the rumor. If they were in the know they would have said an EO was being prepared or they were writing the legislation, but not both.
 

China Connection

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Ah, Dragonslayer2001 it is not a worry to me if you wouldn't let your kids get taught by me. At the moment I am teaching seven, mornings, afternoons and evenings a week. I couldn't fit your kids in anyway. They like to stick me with low level kids with rich parents. Somehow it seems I am able to get their marks up a lot.
 

Kent

Inactive
This Paul Drockton is also a gold seller so it doesn't make sense for him to be passing on false information.

Well, he is on Rense. He says on his website: As I have said repeatedly. Sell your gold and buy silver. Email me at pdrockton@aol.com.

Read some of his other information. http://moneyteachers.org/Predictions.html He sounds pretty full of himself.


Some of what I write is from Inspiration and some from Observation. There is no order or timeline here.


1. I saw a massive volcano form in Mexico that drove the inhabitants Northward into the United States.

2. World War III will start in the Pacific. The forces of Islam, Buddhism and Shintoism are being manipulated by the Illuminati and their Jewish Allies into a war with the so-called Christian nations.

3. The United States will be attacked on all four borders. The Russians will come from the North and the Atlantic. The Chinese will come from the West and South with their Central and South American Allies. The massive wave of illegals has been encouraged by Traitors and the Satanists to alienate Central and South America from the United States. When the invasion comes, it will bring with it the armies of South and Central America.

4. I saw race riots in our cities between blacks and whites. I saw race wars between Hispanics and Blacks and Hispanics and Whites.

5. I saw a nuclear explosion in Phoenix Arizona that was created by the Traitors and Satanic Psychopaths as a pretext for war with Iran. I saw a dirty bomb explode in Detroit. In a surprise attack, Russian submarines launched nuclear missiles against US cities and military installations.

6. I saw that the Conspiracy set up its new world headquarters in Israel and withdrew its wealth from the nations of Europe and the United States. This concentration of gold and silver is what will lead the armies of Russia and China to send a massive amount of ground troops to invade Israel. I saw that the great evil will be cleansed from among the people.

7. I saw the leaders of the conspiracy in the United States and Europe quietly withdraw into their places of retreat, both underground and to Israel.

8. I saw that the global elite viewed the catastrophes as a huge blood sacrifice to Satan and that their manufactured events would follow the Occult global calendar. This is the sign.

9. I saw that World War III would cause chaos and race rioting and all nations would dissolve into anarchy.

10. I saw plagues decimating the population that were designed by evil men. One in particular caused purple blotches with a red center and a white pustule. I believe it was a lethal combination of plague and smallpox.

11. I saw an American Resistance army emerge that was not controlled by the Illuminati. I saw that they added to their forces daily and were effective, through sabotage and guerilla attacks, at slowing down the enemy occupation. This group operated under military law and treason was punished by death. I saw that they also targeted politicians and others that had assisted the enemy in their preparations.

12. I saw Utah cleansed of its adulterers, adulteresses, pedophiles, homosexuals, narcotics, liars and thieves. This came about through earthquakes, occupying forces, plagues and other judgements. I saw that some of the righteous had gathered to places of refuge before this cleansing. When they re-emerged, they established a government that was founded on sound Constitutional Principals and run by righteous men.

13. I saw that the Native Americans and the American Resistance joined forces with this new government in the center of the land, and that their combined forces were sufficient to push back the enemy on all fronts. I saw that they were assisted by angels and the judgements of God.

14. I saw that, when the work of destruction had been completed in this land, that the small percentage of whites and blacks that had survived were in the minority. The new majority of Native American populations were converted in a day, after their work of bloodshed and retribution for all past wrongs, was completed.

15. I saw that these men then established peace in the land. Under the inspiration of the Almighty, they built Holy cities and Temples throughout the land.

16. I saw the Ten lost Tribes of Israel emerge from obscurity and establish themselves on the North and South American Continents. I saw that true Christianity was their religion, and Jesus Christ their God.

17. I saw the earth transformed into a "Garden of Eden". I saw plants and trees return to their previous condition before the fall. I saw that their fruit was much larger and much more nutritional to both body and Spirit. I saw strawberries the size of the human fist and grapes as big as plums. These were delicious beyond description. I saw that grains were harvested and re-harvested from the same plants without damage. I saw that both animals and man were herbivorous and lived off the fruit of the field.

18. I saw that animal products such as wool and milk were freely given and that the land overflowed with both milk and honey.

19. I saw that the snake lost its bite and venom, the scorpian its sting, and that nothing in nature was at enmity with man.

20. I saw that gold was used for paving the streets, and that precious stones were used to decorate the gates of the cities. No man sought to excel above his brother. I saw that covetousness, greed, anger, hatred, and lust were done away with. All men contributed for the benefit of the whole.


We will shortly pass under a darker cloud than any of us are expecting. This has the purpose of cleansing the land from all of its polutions and abominations. Once the evil and wicked men are no longer on the earth, Satan will be bound and we will look at the present difficulties as merely a necessary part of our mortal experience.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
1. Executive Order, signed by Obama, that makes the ownership of gold a criminal offense.

Executive Orders have no power over private individuals. They only apply to executive agencies of the government. He can order an executive agency to go confiscate gold but he cannot make private ownership of gold a criminal offense. Of course, the matter may have to go to the Judicial Branch. And presidents have been very careful to prevent a court ruling concerning the limitations of executive orders. They usually back off rather than to expose the limitations.

And remember that the largest holders of gold are bankers who run the government and buy members of Congress. Less than 1% of private individual own any gold. Is that worth dying for?

"When they come for the gold and the guns, then it's time for revolution."
--Ron Paul
 

China Connection

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http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article26398.html

We’ve learned from well known metals analyst and commentator Roger Wiegand, in an email to silver analyst David Morgan which was subsequently published in Morgan’s latest Silver Investor newsletter available only to subscribers, that several of Wiegand’s high level inside sources have reported that the puppeteers behind the US government, in order to facilitate a move into a new world currency are considering, or may have already begun moving forward with, a plan to confiscate gold and silver from the American public.

The following “Red Alert” was sent by Wiegand to other precious metals experts and analysts and is republished verbatim:

via Sherri Questioning All:

Editor: There is a plan to use the IMF (AKA US Treasury and Wall Street) to be the front man for the new world order and one currency.We also got disturbing news yesterday from an impeccable source that when gold touches $2,000 it’s confiscated in the USAfor about $200. Then it’s to be reissued by the Treasury for $10,000 per ounce to back the new IMF world currency using SDRS in 2011. Large physical gold is being moved to Canada.

We’ve previously commented on the possibility of gold confiscation and other steps that may be taken by our financier controlled government in the event that gold does reach certain thresholds. Reaching these new thresholds, for example $2000 or $5000 per ounce, would suggest that the US dollar has likely crashed or begun a final collapse into oblivion, at which point, all credibility for this unit of exchange will have been lost in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Will this lead to confiscation? Even David Morgan himself, in a recent Youtube interview, suggested that confiscation in the traditional sense was “ridiculous” and an argument that he doesn’t buy.

Confiscation, however, may happen in other forms, as has been suggested by trend forecaster Gerald Celente and precious metals expert Jerry Western.

Celente, who has been forecasting $2000 gold for years, says that governments will intervene if the price gets too high:

We are projecting gold to go to $2000. It can go way higher, but we think that’s going to be the limit because the world governments will do something to push the price down.

The free market will certainly value gold appropriately over the long-term, but in the short-term we cannot underestimate the power of interested banking conglomerates and their marionettes within the halls of Congress and the White House to force the price of gold to whatever value they choose through the use of price controls, much like governments have attempted to do with things like rents and food in various parts of the world throughout history. In the case of Mr. Wiegand’s red alert email, it could be as low as $200 per ounce.

In his timely book Got Gold? Get Gold! covering everything you ever needed to know about precious metals, author Jerry Western writes:

So, will it happen again? I’d have to say overtly, probably not. Never say never, but I believe that covertly it has already begun.

Mr. Western suggests that, while the government will not overtly confiscate, as they did in 1933 when the US dollar was backed by gold, there are other ways that the financial powers that be, who essentially own our government, will strip the people of their precious metals.

…there’s the matter of gold and silver Exchange Traded Funds. Many of these funds, including the largest, are thought by many informed individuals, not to hold the metal they are purported to. At some point, if they don’t have the metal, they will default on their obligations to shareholders. Those shareholders who thought they owned gold will not…They will have had their gold taken from them. Confiscated.

The two largest gold and silver ‘backed’ commodity ETFs currently have a total of nearly $70 billion in market capitalization. If the gold and silver aren’t there, as the fund managers claim, then if and when investors start requesting delivery of the physical metals, the funds will crash in the style of Ponzi and the paper representing their physical holdings will become worthless.

The other real possibility will be confiscation through taxes, writes Western:

The final implementation of confiscation will probably be in the form of confiscatory taxes. If taxes rise to 90% on any profit I must report, then it will be discouraging and not worth the effort to hold the metal.

With the passage of President Obama’s health care bill, the American people found out, after the fact as usual, of the new 1099 requirements which will force gold/silver merchants to declare all precious metals transactions over $600. Thus, the mechanism for tracking and taxing even small cash transactions has already been put into place.

We cannot, however, dismiss outright the suggestion that precious metals will be physically confiscated from the people. The reasoning behind the 1933 confiscation and ban on owning gold until the mid 1970’s was primarily because the US dollar was backed by gold. One US dollar represented a specific amount of gold, 0.888 grams in fact. Today, no such backing exists, and gold has been called a relic of the past by modern day monetary experts.

However, if the IMF gets its wish, and it very well may if the US dollar’s long term plunge continues unabated, then gold will become a part of the new world reserve currency unit, currently being referred to as the SDR.

If the United States is to retain a portion of that SDR basket, we will not be able to do it with our current monetary unit, the Federal Reserve Note, and a new currency domestically would be required. Sure, it may still be called the dollar, but it will likely need to be pegged to some physical asset, at least in part, for it to have any credibility globally and within the SDR basket. This means that the government is going to need to get its hands on some gold. There are supposed to be tons of it in Fort Knox, but we really don’t know because no accounting of those assets have been done for some 50 years. In the event we don’t have as much gold as the Federal Reserve says we do, then those precious metals are going to need to come from somewhere.

For this reason, we can’t dismiss the idea that confiscation may become reality.

So, if you’ve taken our past advice and hold physical precious metals, we recommend looking into some creative ways of making sure they don’t exist if someone ever comes knocking.

By Mac Slavo
http://www.shtfplan.com/
 

China Connection

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Could Gold Confiscation Happen Again? - 1 September 2009
Why gold-as-money is not a good thing for gold owners...

WE PREVIOUSLY STATED that gold ownership was made illegal in the United States on 1st May 1933, writes Julian Phillips of Gold Forecaster. (See US Gold Confiscation to catch up...)

http://goldnews.bullionvault.com/gold_confiscation_090120093

What we did not tell you – and what we correct now – was that US citizens, under Order 6102, were allowed to own up to $100 in Gold Coin (then around 5 ounces). Today that would be worth under $5,000 – a mere token gesture to real gold owners.

The get-out clause acted as a tiny 'escape valve' to the general body of citizens, and did not detract from the fact that effective gold ownership was abolished. So that we fully understand the attitude of governments to gold (which remains real money in times of crisis) we add this paragraph:

Congress could easily revoke the privilege again. In fact, at no time during this century has the US government recognized the right of private gold ownership. The Trading with the Enemy Act, which President Roosevelt invoked in 1933 to restrict private gold transactions, remains law. Although private ownership of gold in the United States was legalized on August 15, 1974, the power to confiscate gold remains in the hands of the President. The President still retains the right, under the Emergency Banking Relief Act, to "investigate, regulate or prohibit...the importing, exporting, hoarding, melting or earmarking of gold" in times of a declared national emergency.

It is highly unlikely that either the Courts or Congress would successfully argue that confiscatory powers are not implicit in the Emergency Banking Relief Act if a currency crisis or other fiscal emergency prompted the President to, once again, nationalize gold.

The 'privilege' to own gold is not a right. It was restored to US citizens on the 15th August 1974 (and not in 1971, when President Nixon floated the Dollar against gold and stopped foreign central banks from converting US Dollars to gold. That was a separate). It is pertinent to the thinking behind this series, to understand why these moves were made.

The entire exercise was to move gold away from the core of the monetary system, for it could not be controlled by governments – not even the most powerful of them, the United States. For government to have control of money they had to seize its issuance away from the measuring line of gold. In the opinion of the United States, and then the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and then all governments worldwide, money had to be simply an un-backed I.O.U. drawn on sovereign states. Gold thus had to be discredited and sidelined to make this happen convincingly. And it worked!

As the world moved out of the post-war recovery period into a global growth period, the US Dollar was devalued, then floated against gold, and the need for a change in the system of foreign exchange arose. Previously, under the Bretton Woods post-war deal, all major currencies were redeemable for Dollars, and the Dollar was then redeemable for a fixed quantity of gold. But as the relationship broke down, the need for gold was, effectively, eliminated from the system.

President de Gaulle and his fellow European leaders, amazingly, complied with this, after years of exchanging the $s spent in the country for gold drawn from Fort Knox in the US. They were prevented from changing their US Dollars into gold when US gold was made unconvertible. No doubt the huge advantages of controlling one's own money systems, nationally, appealed to all governments. So for the first time in history, gold left the system as a medium of exchange and currencies were issued with no backing whatsoever.

Gold is thus money no more. How could this have happened? Well, the Dollar had to be put into a position where it was indispensible. The US had dominance over oil supplies through the Arab oil suppliers. The world was stunned to see the oil price rise from $8 a barrel to $35 a barrel alongside the running price of gold. Oil was priced only in the US Dollar. The 'cold war' was still on, so Russian oil supplies were not as important then as now. It was the Opec oil cartel that dominated the oil price and these governments had to rely on the US for their security. Their oil interests became the vital interests of the US. The concept of oil priced in any other currency was removed by the US as the Persian Gulf came under the protection of the US.

Had Russia tried to take any protectorates from the US, it would have brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. Anybody who used oil needed to buy US Dollars first. Thus the Dollar met the requirements of a medium of exchange and spread the world over. Who needed gold after that?

It is only now, nearly 40 years later, that a tiny number of buyers pay in Euros for their oil, not enough to topple the Dollar. Certainly Opec will only switch payment currency when they can feel secure without the protection of the United States. And they will only change that pricing if they can dominate demand more fully. This can only happen once China is next to the States as a global economic force and insists on using the Yuan to pay for their oil. Until then they will continue to have sufficient of the US Dollar to pay for their oil in Dollars.

The need for gold was eliminated by its exclusion from international finance and as a direct alternative to the Dollar. So what if the Gold Price went from $42.35 to $850 during the decade after Nixon's decision? Gold was relegated from its monetary role to a private investment medium. The effect of the rising Gold Price was emasculated in the system as the Dollar became an absolutely necessary medium of exchange.

Gold was money no more, but it was still considered to constitute a danger to the Dollar's credibility. Hence gold sales from the US first, followed by gold sales from the IMF, as they used these gold sales to elevate the Dollar (and the notional "basket" currency of the Special Drawing Right – unsuccessfully to date) over gold, as money. They were successful, but the running Gold Price still reflected the falling value of currencies.

As no government really wanted gold out of the system completely (they continued to hold onto their reserves of gold, after all) but still wanted the Gold Price to drop back into insignificance, they followed a path of accelerating gold supplies through loaning bullion to Gold Mining firms in a process that allowed miners to make money as the Gold Price was falling. This in turn accelerated sales, so the Gold Price fell from $850 to $295 and the threat of central bank sales grew until 1999 and the first "Washington Agreement".

But at the turn of this century, through these central bank gold sales agreements, it became clear that gold was not down and out. The cap on the central bank sales of gold (then, as now, at 400 tonnes per year) reassured the market that there would be no more than a containable amount of gold sales each year. Bear in mind that to the central banks, the price of gold will only be really relevant in the extreme days that may lie ahead, not before then.

When those extreme days come, the price of gold will be secondary to the amount each central bank holds. Then the prospect of confiscating its citizen's gold will become very attractive again. The plain fact that it has happened before makes it possible it can happen again. It is wise to make sure that you are not vulnerable to such an act.

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Julian D.W. Phillips, 01 Sep '09

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JULIAN PHILLIPS – one half of the highly respected team at GoldForecaster.com – began his career in the financial markets back in 1970, when he left the British Army after serving as an Officer in the Light Infantry in Malaya, Mauritius, and Belfast.

First he worked in Timber Management and then joined the London Stock Exchange, qualifying as a member and specializing from the beginning in currencies, gold and the "Dollar Premium". On moving to South Africa, Julian was appointed a macro-economist for the Electricity Supply Commission – guiding currency decisions on the multi-billion foreign Loan Portfolio – before joining Chase Manhattan and the UK Merchant Bank, Hill Samuel, in Johannesburg.

There he specialized in gold, before moving to Capetown, where he established the Fund Management department of the Board of Executors. Julian returned to the "Gold World" over two years ago, contributing his exceptional experience and insights to Global Watch: The Gold Forecaster.
 

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Marc Faber on possible US gold confiscation and oil prices
Posted on 29 April 2011 with 9 comments from readers

http://www.arabianmoney.net/gold-si...possible-us-gold-confiscation-and-oil-prices/

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Guru among investment gurus Marc Faber warns investors to keep their gold out of the US. However, he still sees financial markets correcting and the dollar rallying along with bonds over the next couple of months.

Dr Faber is also bullish about the outlook for farm land as a diversification, and he has some comments about Fed chairman Ben Bernanke’s honesty.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
Wow this guy thinks he's Moses or something. Lots of pretty big claims.

I see confiscation of PMs as almost equal to that of guns, it just ain't going to happen, they don't have the man power and there will be next to zero compliance. What are they going to do? Go door to door? The paper trail for PMs has got to be thinner than that of guns.

The gov could pull that crap back when people were more trusting but they couldn't get away with hit now, it's just not realistic and truly not enforceable. The most that they could do is stop businesses from buying and selling it, or license them somehow or tax it into oblivion but there will always be a black market for it. Ultimately I think it would be a deal breaker for most Americans who might finally draw a line in the sand and decide to be civally disobedient which would end up winning many more countrymen over to our side of thinking, more independent and much more likely to start demanding accountability.

It would the straw that broke the camels back, if the current government were to try such a thing it would them signing their own death warrant...or pink slip rather, it would be professional suicide and I can't imagine they are quite THAT stupid....however they never cease to amaze me in that respect.
 

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America’s Trade Debts Lead to a Likely Gold Confiscation

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1196605589.php

-- Posted Sunday, 2 December 2007 | Digg This ArticleDigg It! | Source: GoldSeek.com

Federal agencies have indicated that the accumulated trade debts of the United States have reached $9 trillion. This can be explained once one realizes that outsourcing of production jobs and manufacturing has gathered speed over the last twenty years to a point where we don’t make more than a nominal percentage of our own necessities. These debts result in accumulated “TRADE DEFICITS” which are discussed in the daily papers. What is not discussed, however, is how these “trade debts” will ever be paid. Well, common sense would tell most of us that — they will be paid in some form.

Recently posted in the Federal Register on the internet were regulations listed under the caption of The Patriot Act . . . . At the end of 17 pages you will find legal definitions for “bullion coins” and “rare numismatic coins.” Strange how the definition of these forms of gold would show up under 17 pages of regulations pursuant to the Patriot Act having to do with identification of persons boarding and de-boarding aircraft and a multitude of other topics. Once you analyze the situation, it becomes obvious that these regulations were published in this manner, so as to keep the information from the general public and avoid suspicions of confiscation and the resulting objections.

WE BELIEVE THE REGULATIONS WERE PUBLISHED IN THE EXPECTATION OF A SECOND CONFISCATION OF AMERICAN PRIVATELY OWNED GOLD

The purpose of the confiscation is clearly to settle America’s trade debts in an acceptable form. Keep in mind that Central Banks end up with all of the trade debts via bank deposits in dollars, or, Treasury Bonds, dollar denominated, with no guarantees against loss due to deterioration of the value of the dollar. Since the dollar has been in a constant downtrend as most Americans realize, Central Banks should not be expected to take all the losses on these transactions without complaint. Indeed, there are complaints and we believe the complaints have reached fever pitch. Central Banks no longer wish to accept dollar-denominated assets in payment of trade debts and are demanding American gold.

There is really no other logical mechanism for them to accept payment. Today, silver is not a monetary asset and neither are any of the other metals such as platinum or palladium. Only gold can be used for settlement of debts between Central Banks.

“No,” you say! . . . . Such a conclusion is unjustified. If so, then we ask, how is it that 30,000 retail jewelry stores have been forced to become registered with the Treasury Department over the last two years, since January ‘06, as indicated at their website at www.jvclegal.org. The Jewelry Trade Association required their members to purchase a “Patriot Act Compliance Kit,” all of which relates to registration — a form of licensing, obviously connected to one of their main lines of business: gold jewelry.

Why is it also that bullion dealers and gold coin dealers who do $50,000 or more in business a year have also been required to become registered with the Treasury Department as indicated in their printout of April 24, 2007, from their website. This particular, April 24th printout may or may not still be on the website, but we have copies from that date on file.

There is significant other evidence as well, including the recent confiscation of gold of an organization in Evansville, Indiana, The Liberty Dollar Group, which stirred up some concern about the use of paper money in the United States, and thus, the gentleman who proposed an alternative form of money was put out of business.

In addition, the U.S. Mint, the seller of extremely popular American Eagle series of coins has, as of October 15, at least, terminated all sales of American Eagle gold coins. By the time you read this, they may have changed their minds again, which, of course, can be reversed after a brief period. Their mint dealer network may or may not still have the American Eagle series coins in stock, but sooner or later, their stocks will run out and there will be no more gold available in this form.

It is our view that the definition of the antique numismatic coins, given in the Federal Register, indicate the one way to avoid the loss of all physical gold in your hands. The interpretation of the wording of the regulations can be taken differently by different people. Our interpretation is that coins that have rarity value at least equal to the bullion value at the time of purchase would logically be deemed legal under these rules. Since it is not likely that any further explanation of these regulations will be published, this is all we have to go on. Of course — they are not going to announce the confiscation date ahead of time.

We are frequently asked what our opinion is of the timing, and that is obviously difficult to say, but it would not be amazing to see the confiscation gold within the next twelve months of the extremely unpopular Presidency of George W. Bush. That means there’s only twelve months to go, if we believe that this evil act will be consummated during his term. For more information, contact us at Criminal Politics Magazine at 1-800-543-0486 or visit our website at www.criminalpolitics.com

Swiss Financial Services, Inc. Lawrence Patterson, CEO
 

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Gold Confiscation Act of 1933

http://www.austincoins.com/confiscation.htm

Many of our clients have requested that we post the exact wording of the order under which the U.S. Government nationalized gold. For all U.S. citizens, it was illegal to privately hold gold from 1933 until gold ownership was again legalized in early 1975. If you are concerned about buying gold that is not subject to U.S. confiscation laws, we highly recommend you read The Executive Order below and our comments following.

By Executive Order Of The President of The United States, March 9, 1933

"By virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended by Section 2 of the Act of March 9, 1933 ?, in which Congress declared that a serious emergency exists, I as President, do declare that the national emergency still exists; that the continued private hoarding of gold and silver by subjects of the United States poses a grave threat to the peace, equal justice, and well-being of the United States; and that appropriate measures must be taken immediately to protect the interests of our people."

Therefore, pursuant to the above authority, I hereby proclaim that such gold and silver holdings are prohibited, and that all such coin, bullion or other possessions of gold and silver be tendered within fourteen days to agents of the Government of the United States for compensation at the official price, in the legal tender of the Government.

All safe deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been sealed, pending action in the due course of the law. All sales or purchases or movements of such gold and silver within the borders of the United States and its territories and all foreign exchange transactions or movements of such metals across the border are hereby prohibited.

Click Here to Buy Gold CoinsYour possession of these proscribed metals and/or your maintenance of a safe deposit box to store them is known by the government from bank and insurance records. Therefore, be advised that your vault box must remain sealed, and may only be opened in the presence of an agent of the Internal Revenue Service.

By lawful order given this day, the President of the United States.”
Franklin Roosevelt – March 9, 1933

Comments & Opinions
The law that permitted the seizure of gold from U.S. citizens is still in effect to this day. In fact, the Executive Order remained in effect from 1933 until 1971 making it illegal to own and hold gold bullion.

Shortly after the order went into effect in 1933 all gold was seized and Americans were given new "paper dollars." The value of gold was then raised which devalued all paper dollars. This immediately reduced purchasing power of the "new paper dollars" and overnight robbed hard working Americans of millions of dollars.

Thankfully, certain U.S. "Collector" Rare Coins were later excluded, by law, from confiscation and continue to be excluded today. In addition, Congress specifically excluded the American Eagle gold coins from confiscation prior to their release in 1986.
 

inynmn

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I'm thinking about the narrative - what the liecasters are spewing 24/7 - ie; The unruly, divided, self serving or sycophant politicians will not agree on spending cuts, so lets increase spending by 4 trillion instead, what's a few trillion here or there when you already owe 15 trillion that will never be paid back in assets, rather the debt will be paid in blood, as it is today.
Besides they already own our children, grandchildren, to perpetuity so the narrative is really window dressing.

Maybe all the recent propaganda about the budget is really contrived, and after the "market" panics then the politicos will step in and say the only way to save the entitlement republic is to confiscate everyone's pensions, perhaps even all their assets, including gold, silver, all PM above a meager amount.

And we all be equal, at least 99% - or the status quo will continue, happy days are here again, until a few years from now ... when the movie rerun plays over and over and over again.
 

Double_A

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"What we did not tell you – and what we correct now – was that US citizens, under Order 6102, were allowed to own up to $100 in Gold Coin (then around 5 ounces). Today that would be worth under $5,000 – a mere token gesture to real gold owners."

I've mentioned this several time in these discussions. That was 5 ounces per person, so a family of five might legally keep 25 ounces.

Interesting as this excerpt is, the article is dated Sept 1, 2009 and it suggests 5 ounces is less than $5000, of course here we are less than two years later and 5 ounces would represent $8000.
 

China Connection

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Tucked away in the “Obama Care” bill is this little passage.

http://www.buygoldco.com/gold-confiscation/

…starting on January 1st in 2012, US federal law will require coin and bullion dealers to report to the Internal Revenue Service all gold and silver coin purchases and sales greater than $600.”

Why would that be tucked in the 2,300 pages of the health care bill? It is there because the bill isn’t about health care, it’s about government control!!!! We are living through a Marxist/Socialist takeover of the United States by progressives like Pelosi, Obama, Reed, Frank, Dodd and et al. The radical left cannot win elections or pass their agenda with the full light of day shining on them, so they are trying to jam everything they can into the bills before they lose their majority in Gongress. This is truly the tyranny of the minority.

Will The Government Confiscate Gold Again?

The US Government has done it before and legal precedent, no matter how disingenuous, is favored in the law. Don’t doubt this for a second, if the US Government is forced to back the US dollar in a credible fashion, this may be their only alternative. “Quantitative Easing” could easily paint the government into a corner where they have no other alternative but to devalue the currency to the point where they would have to link it to gold before the currency collapses.
What Would Stop Them from Confiscating Gold?

Let’s start with the obvious: It’s freaking Un-Constitutional! After considering that, we are left to ponder the obvious, since when has that stopped anyone in the current regime that we live under? All kidding aside, confiscation of gold would result in open rebellion. I don’t think the Marxists are ready to risk it, but then, their arrogance knows no bounds. They live to trash the Constitution at every turn. The redistribution of wealth is their stated goal. What better way to do it than to confiscate gold and silver in all forms, namely physical gold, stocks, ETFs etc..
 

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Can gold confiscation happen in 2011 or 2012 ?
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There are quite consistent rumors that our Federal Government will most certainly confiscate gold in 2011 or 2012 or shortly beyond, as soon as the spot price hits $2,000 USD. At this point, the gold confiscation will happen because the US Government won’t be able to print money freely anymore, since the US Treasuries and dollar will be substituted somewhere along the way by the SDR, or Special Drawing Right monetary unit of the new IMF world currency made up of the Euro, Yen, Pound Sterling, Yuan, U.S. dollar and possibly gold. The government will need as much gold as it can get in order to chip in its share directly into the SDR or back US Dollar, which at this point will be like every other paper currency. Then the confiscated gold will be sold by the US Treasury for $10,000 per ounce while you get $200 per ounce for your troubles. The 2011 is featured quite prominently in this scenario. I personally don’t think it is going to happen and here is why.

Everything is possible and as you know, gold confiscation is nothing new. On April 5, 1933, President Roosevelt signed Executive Order 6102, making the hoarding of gold coins among a few other gold things illegal. Just like that. But in one shot, Roosevelt increased the amount of the Federal Reserve owned gold. He had to do it to enable the Fed to print more paper and extend credit to keep the economy from slipping further.

You see, those days each US dollar was backed by gold, requiring exactly 40% in gold backing, so for every $1 you had, there was 40 cents worth of gold in Fort Knox or elsewhere, backing that promise to pay in your wallet. Today, Mr. Bernanke does not need more gold to issue more credit. The US dollar has been off gold standard since 1971 or close enough to it, so the US Federal Reserve can create money out of nothing as long as the computers and printers are working. The same goes about any other country / currency by the way, it is just the dollar still keeps that reserve status.

While I see no reason for Obama Fed to confiscate your gold, it can certainly try to make your life difficult. Your democratically elected government can be soon taxing the profits from gold sales at 70% or more. Let us face it, if gold spot price goes $2,000 or higher, the US dollar will be in serious troubles and everything can happen.

The infamous Section 9006 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act widely known as Obama Care, amended the Internal Revenue Code to expand the scope of Form 1099, requiring to report to the IRS all transactions of all goods and services by small businesses and self-employed people that exceed $600 during a calendar year. That essentially would track every half-ounce gold bullion item you sell or buy, and while there is an almost universal disdain for this amendment, Republican Congress and Democratic Senate can’t agree on how to substitute the taxes that would be lost if it is repealed.

The other reason that outright gold confiscation will not likely happen in 2011 or beyond, is that states are taking certain steps to limit the Fed power. Perfect example is a law that was passed last week by the Utah State House, that would recognize gold and silver issued by the federal government as legal currency. And the bill would also exempt the sale of gold from state capital gains taxes. It passed by 47 to 26 margin.

So go and buy some gold insurance. It is taking a break today along with silver, platinum and palladium, and is down quite a bit. Can end up being the most profitable investment you ever make.
 

Kent

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http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article26398.html
Will this lead to confiscation? Even David Morgan himself, in a recent Youtube interview, suggested that confiscation in the traditional sense was “ridiculous” and an argument that he doesn’t buy.

Confiscation, however, may happen in other forms, as has been suggested by trend forecaster Gerald Celente and precious metals expert Jerry Western.

Celente, who has been forecasting $2000 gold for years, says that governments will intervene if the price gets too high:

We are projecting gold to go to $2000. It can go way higher, but we think that’s going to be the limit because the world governments will do something to push the price down.

The free market will certainly value gold appropriately over the long-term, but in the short-term we cannot underestimate the power of interested banking conglomerates and their marionettes within the halls of Congress and the White House to force the price of gold to whatever value they choose through the use of price controls, much like governments have attempted to do with things like rents and food in various parts of the world throughout history. In the case of Mr. Wiegand’s red alert email, it could be as low as $200 per ounce.

In his timely book Got Gold? Get Gold! covering everything you ever needed to know about precious metals, author Jerry Western writes:

So, will it happen again? I’d have to say overtly, probably not. Never say never, but I believe that covertly it has already begun.

Mr. Western suggests that, while the government will not overtly confiscate, as they did in 1933 when the US dollar was backed by gold, there are other ways that the financial powers that be, who essentially own our government, will strip the people of their precious metals.

…there’s the matter of gold and silver Exchange Traded Funds. Many of these funds, including the largest, are thought by many informed individuals, not to hold the metal they are purported to. At some point, if they don’t have the metal, they will default on their obligations to shareholders. Those shareholders who thought they owned gold will not…They will have had their gold taken from them. Confiscated.

The two largest gold and silver ‘backed’ commodity ETFs currently have a total of nearly $70 billion in market capitalization. If the gold and silver aren’t there, as the fund managers claim, then if and when investors start requesting delivery of the physical metals, the funds will crash in the style of Ponzi and the paper representing their physical holdings will become worthless.

The other real possibility will be confiscation through taxes, writes Western:

The final implementation of confiscation will probably be in the form of confiscatory taxes. If taxes rise to 90% on any profit I must report, then it will be discouraging and not worth the effort to hold the metal.

http://www.shtfplan.com/

While I see no reason for Obama Fed to confiscate your gold, it can certainly try to make your life difficult. Your democratically elected government can be soon taxing the profits from gold sales at 70% or more. Let us face it, if gold spot price goes $2,000 or higher, the US dollar will be in serious troubles and everything can happen.

The other reason that outright gold confiscation will not likely happen in 2011 or beyond, is that states are taking certain steps to limit the Fed power. Perfect example is a law that was passed last week by the Utah State House, that would recognize gold and silver issued by the federal government as legal currency. And the bill would also exempt the sale of gold from state capital gains taxes. It passed by 47 to 26 margin.


Oh, well, if you are talking about PAPER gold going away or confiscation through taxes, then, yea, maybe.
 

atvJim

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CC.....you started the thread with these 5 words...."Only posting it nothing else." Then later in the thread you post several other related articles. What you are doing IS SOMETHING ELSE. You are spreading an internet rumor, and then trying to SUBSTANTIATE it.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
A lawyer on another board said regarding this that he thought it was dropped due to public outrage. It might have been, I think I recall seeing something about it, but I wouldn't know where here to direct you to confirm it:

Tucked away in the “Obama Care” bill is this little passage.

http://www.buygoldco.com/gold-confiscation/

“…starting on January 1st in 2012, US federal law will require coin and bullion dealers to report to the Internal Revenue Service all gold and silver coin purchases and sales greater than $600.”
 
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