WAR Germany has 'crossed red line' - Russia
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medic38572
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And now we wait to see what happens on the Sept24th thread.Germany has ‘crossed red line’ – Russia
There will be no turning back after Berlin supplied arms to kill Russians, Moscow’s envoy says
FILE PHOTO. German multiple launch rocket systems in action. ©P/F/H / ullstein bild via Getty Images
Germany has crossed a red line with Russia by sending arms to Ukraine, Moscow’s ambassador in Berlin said on Monday. The decision undermined decades of reconciliation since the end of World War II and the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, the diplomat added.
“The very fact that the Ukrainian regime is being supplied with German-made lethal weapons, which are used not only against Russian military service members, but also the civilian population of Donbass, crosses the red line,”Ambassador Sergey Nechaev said in an interview with Izvestia newspaper.
He added that Berlin should have known better, “considering the moral and historic responsibility that Germany has before our people for the Nazi crimes.”
“They have crossed the Rubicon,” Nechaev stated, using an idiom for passing the point of no return.
Berlin discarded its longstanding policy of not sending weapons into zones of armed conflict to join the US and other NATO allies in providing weapons to Ukraine. The German government says it has a moral responsibility to back Kiev so it can defend itself against Russia.
Germany also joined an effort by the EU to decouple the economies of member states from Russia’s. German businesses have been relying on cheap Russian natural gas for five decades, since before the Soviet Union collapsed.
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The German government “has unilaterally acted to destroy bilateral relations [with Russia] that were unique in scale and depth and had been built over decades,” the Russian ambassador noted. “In essence, the post-war reconciliation of our nations and peoples is being eroded,” Nechaev said.
According to the diplomat, economic restrictions imposed on Russia over the Ukraine conflict have resulted in a sharp increase in utility bills, a surge in consumer prices, and a decrease in real incomes in Germany. Nechaev said the “sanctions war” against Moscow is being increasingly seen as “shooting yourself in the foot” in Germany, which has already faced protests over the cost-of-living crisis. The ambassador noted that Russia took no pleasure in seeing the damage, even if Berlin has itself to blame for it.
“We believe the ongoing processes to be Germany’s domestic issue, in which we do not get involved,” he said. “And we certainly are not in the habit of delivering pompous lectures, the likes of which the West constantly makes about Russians.”
Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian president Pyotr Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.”
In February 2022, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked.
Germany has ‘crossed red line’ – Russia
Russian Ambassador to Germany Sergey Nechaev said in an interview that Berlin has ruined the countries’ post-World War II reconciliationwww.rt.com
von Koehler
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While watching a broadcast of a Russian TV show, I was amazed when one of the hardliners said Russia should keep going all the way to Iceland.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
They have their nuts in Russia just like we have our Neocons here for sure. Putin is under a lot of pressure from the hardliners and has tried to deal with the Ukraine in a piecemeal fashion and hasn't gone full shock and awe with their advanced weapons.
One of the first things you do like we did in Iraq and other nations we attack is immediately take out portions of the power grid and critical infrastructure. Putin doesn't seem to be the type to be willing to lose face so they might start playing hardball now.
Well, sure... just as their attacker(s) have the right, as sovereign nations, to sell gas and oil to anyone they want.. or not. Before some politicians start running their mouths (much less putting their money behind the rhetoric), they need to check on the interconnected dependencies keeping their country alive...
Summerthyme
Jez
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I don't think they'll do it. The potential repercussions are too great. I think only the mussies would be insane enough to nuke first.
hiwall
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While I fully agree that a separate, sovereign country can do just as you say but is Ukraine such a country? Or is Ukraine a country run completely by outsiders instead of the people actually living there?
Old Greek
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Kind of like Germany and the EU cutting off their nose to spite their face!
Old Greek
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Like resident 10% Joe and his corrupt family!
Firebird
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It is still going on to this day
Kind of like how we get news from online British tabloid's that our MSM will not broadcast or publish.
danielboon
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Ahh the feast of trumpets
wait-n-see
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And Japan is continuing the same history cleansing for the atrocities committed by their military.
Doomer Doug
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Yom Kipput is October 4th. Oh joy I was in the USArmy during the 1973 yom kippur war bout due for a repeat.
northern watch
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Rosh Hashana (The Jewish New Year) for Hebrew Year 5783 begins at sundown on Sunday, 25 September 2022 and ends at nightfall on Tuesday, 27 September 2022
Good point!
IIRC, the source of that article was Hal Turner. Enough said.
Until this war I would have agreed. Seems like Putin has made a lot of red line statements only to see the West run right over them.
willowlady
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Russia has to accept.....? It's likely the entire world will face consequences, not just Russia.
Yeah, that doesn't tend to end well.....
day late
money? whats that?
I was in Germany when the mini-series holocaust hit T.V. back in the 70's. They actually had the German government debating if the series should be allowed to be shown on T.V. there. There's a lot from that war they don't want to remember.
You're right, I guess the question now is how many red lines will they allow to be crossed?
Buick Electra
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Russia is not going to chemically 'nuke' anyone.
dawgofwar10
Veteran Member
But,But,But,But, When does the Can of Whoop Ass get opened?????
Everything that Article 5 can set loose....
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Except that it was closed / locked.
I've asked the Admins if they will reconsider....still waiting (messaged them pretty late so some may have already been in bed).
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
IMO,- As soon as they lost their control of Germany and their COMMUNIST mole into NATO, ANGELA MERKEL in Dec 2021, Putin turned violent.
He was destroying Germany by having her welcome millions of Muslims into Europe and Germany. They played the same game on us and rigged their elections too so they coildnt vote her out!
He was destroying Germany by having her welcome millions of Muslims into Europe and Germany. They played the same game on us and rigged their elections too so they coildnt vote her out!
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ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
You would rather surrender OPENLY TO RUSSIAN COMMUNIST CONTROL?
Let it go CM.
I clearly stated why that thread was closed. Go back and look for yourself.
You can always start your own thread if you can find a non-proscribed source.
ChicagoMan74
ULTRA MAGA
I have a hard time believing Russia nuking anyone in Western Europe. Irradiating your customers is bad for their energy business.
When red lines keep getting past both parties tend to be surprised when the reaction becomes something other than another line being drawn....
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Sadly, I do not speak German and my housemate does not have time to search the archives of the German version of C Span, I am encouraging any German-speaking members with time on their hands to look for it.
The source is really The Video, which is from German C-Span, but the problem is the only link I have to it is the Hal Turner site which is why I originally did not put up a thread on it.
I can confirm, that this video is being looked at by various "people" but I can not disclose any more than that only to say, they seem to think it is real and are looking for details. I think Margfoggle news also was going to cover the story last night, but I didn't have time to watch it.
This story is making the rounds in Europe but all official channels seem to be refusing to comment or to carry it. So use your own judgment, we do have a thread in the woo-room on this topic (Unexplained) where we can discuss it if you don't also mind wading through astrology posts and card readings (just ignore them if they bother you).
I can confirm the that video does show the leader of the German opposition party and what he said, but we have no context for it yet.
Anyway, for now, we can chat in the Unexplained room and I can ask the thread to be unlocked or start another one (or anyone else) especially if any of my sources find another link, like the original German "C-Span" video link.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I haven't listened to this, I've been rather busy, but is Marfogle news enough to get the other thread unlocked - if so please let me know and I will add this and/or start another thread. I will keep searching. The URL can not be embedded as media but I think is still free to listen to for a few more days.
marfooglenews.com/2022/09/13/they-will-remember-where-they-were/
marfooglenews.com/2022/09/13/they-will-remember-where-they-were/
I haven't listened to this, I've been rather busy, but is Marfogle news enough to get the other thread unlocked - if so please let me know and I will add this and/or start another thread. I will keep searching. The URL can not be embedded as media but I think is still free to listen to for a few more days.
marfooglenews.com/2022/09/13/they-will-remember-where-they-were/
Melodi - I am -done- talking about the closed thread. It is staying closed.
Shadow
Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
At this point they could attack with bio weapons, discreetly, and blame it on any of the bio labs in Ukraine. Who would know?
Shadow
I've been following this fella, German Prepper, for the last few months. Started as just a preppers experiences/advise, but lately has been all news & comment from a German perspective.