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If they dump all those containers in the very deep trench off the coast of Japan, maybe it will isolate the radiation and kill off Godzilla also. A twofer...
A relatively tiny drop in the ocean in reality.
A relatively tiny drop in the ocean in reality.
Yeah, well a tiny turd in the swimming pool is still a turd. I'm for NO crap in the great big sea......especially radioactive crap.
It isn't about the volume of water. It is about how much, if any, radiation is in that water, and how much of that radiation will concentrate in the food chain. Fukushima will never "contaminate" the Pacific Ocean given the TRILLIONS OF TONS/GALLONS of water in the Pacific Ocean. What is happening, and will continue to happen, is the radiation will concentrate in the tissue of everything in the food chain, starting with krill and plankton, all the way up to Killer Whales and other apex species.
They have, but there's no way to remove the Tritium.So why have they not been filtering the radioactive crap out of it?
100% of Bananas are also radioactive.100% of the Pacific bluefin tuna is contaminated. We learned in late 2012, a full year after the study was done, that every bluefin tuna tested was contaminated with Ce134.
They have, but there's no way to remove the Tritium.
100% of Bananas are also radioactive.
Without specifying amounts, the statements are meaningless.
The fact radiation can be detected doesn't mean it's at a dangerous level.
A relatively tiny drop in the ocean in reality.
This was mentioned...tongue in cheek, probably, but still---early on after we realized the reactors "were" in meltdown (remember Japan DENIED it until the explosion, after which it could no longer be denied), but---
"is" it possible, if we evacuated the area, and hit it with the necessary megatonnage of nuclear missiles, that we could simply "burn up" all the radioactive material in that area? Simply vaporize it?
When Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, it was thought at first the sites would remain radioactive and uninhabitable for years; instead it was learned that the radiation DOES dissipate and people CAN come back and live there safely again.
Whereas with this---a nuclear meltdown we CANNOT contain (as Chernobyl is contained)---we have CONTINUALLY renewing-and-spewing POISON FLOWING out into the earth, air, and water of the area.
So----can we bring in the last 'element'---FIRE---and destroy it once and for all THAT way?
Serious question....would be curious to hear your thoughts on an answer.
Some of you have been around long enough to remember my initial assessment of the Fukushima tragedy (and it is a tragedy) and my predictions regarding Japan's future. It is even "doomier" than Doomer Doug's. I predicted that Japan was doomed, would continue to become further contaminated and would eventually become a third-world nation as the wealthier classes and money left the country. I haven't changed my predictions, though I never suspected that the Japanese government would engage in cover-up and outright deceit to the degree they have.
For those who haven't been keeping up, the Japanese have criminalized honest reporting on Fukushima, have threatened medical doctors with the loss of their licenses if they honestly diagnose patients' radiological-related symptoms and have consistently under-reported contamination levels around the country.
Currently, doctors are privately reporting massively-increased incidents of radiation-related illnesses and reports have recently emerged of contamination levels in the Tokyo area having been hugely under-reported. This fits precisely with the much-maligned Arnie Gunderson's earlier reports of of contamination levels in soil he personally sampled from various areas in Tokyo.
Fukushima cannot be fixed with current technology because the reactor vessels have been breached and the nuclear fuel is in constant communication with subterranean water. This is primarily fresh ground water flowing beneath the plant from higher elevations and then making its way to the sea. This continuously contaminates the Pacific and to a lesser degree, continuously contaminates Japan. If these things were honestly reported, there would be horrendous geopolitical and economic consequences for Japan and much of the rest of the world. For years now the Japanese, with the tacit agreement of most other countries, have been playing a game of extend and pretend. It's really only a matter of time before everything I have suggested will come to pass. This is a matter of physics and all the wishful thinking - sadly - in the world can't change it.
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Doc
OK, so straight up:Is this an ELE or not? I can't decide, but I think it's close. When the oceans die, the plant life dies. When the plant life dies, we all die.
Even if the hypothesis is correct and I don't believe it to be so we'll all be dead well before then anyway due to the passage of time as it would be years into the future.
OK, so straight up:Is this an ELE or not? I can't decide, but I think it's close. When the oceans die, the plant life dies. When the plant life dies, we all die.
100% of the Pacific bluefin tuna is contaminated. We learned in late 2012, a full year after the study was done, that every bluefin tuna tested was contaminated with Ce134. This is because of their spawn & travel from Japan waters to the whole ocean between March 2011 and August 2011. That was 6 years ago! Now we know the radioactive water is washing up to the North American coastline.
You mean like blowing up a dead whale on the Oregon coast years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVU7aIGYDKE
My Dad was one of the newsmen on site that day he shows up at at about 3:10. He was on the center right next to the guy with the film camera on his shoulder.
Some of you have been around long enough to remember my initial assessment of the Fukushima tragedy (and it is a tragedy) and my predictions regarding Japan's future. It is even "doomier" than Doomer Doug's. I predicted that Japan was doomed, would continue to become further contaminated and would eventually become a third-world nation as the wealthier classes and money left the country. I haven't changed my predictions, though I never suspected that the Japanese government would engage in cover-up and outright deceit to the degree they have.
For those who haven't been keeping up, the Japanese have criminalized honest reporting on Fukushima, have threatened medical doctors with the loss of their licenses if they honestly diagnose patients' radiological-related symptoms and have consistently under-reported contamination levels around the country.
Currently, doctors are privately reporting massively-increased incidents of radiation-related illnesses and reports have recently emerged of contamination levels in the Tokyo area having been hugely under-reported. This fits precisely with the much-maligned Arnie Gunderson's earlier reports of of contamination levels in soil he personally sampled from various areas in Tokyo.
Fukushima cannot be fixed with current technology because the reactor vessels have been breached and the nuclear fuel is in constant communication with subterranean water. This is primarily fresh ground water flowing beneath the plant from higher elevations and then making its way to the sea. This continuously contaminates the Pacific and to a lesser degree, continuously contaminates Japan. If these things were honestly reported, there would be horrendous geopolitical and economic consequences for Japan and much of the rest of the world. For years now the Japanese, with the tacit agreement of most other countries, have been playing a game of extend and pretend. It's really only a matter of time before everything I have suggested will come to pass. This is a matter of physics and all the wishful thinking - sadly - in the world can't change it.
Best regards
Doc
You'd have to eat close to 50 pounds of contaminated Tuna to get the same amount of radiation as in 2 bananas.Quote Originally Posted by LightEcho View Post
100% of the Pacific bluefin tuna is contaminated. We learned in late 2012, a full year after the study was done, that every bluefin tuna tested was contaminated with Ce134. This is because of their spawn & travel from Japan waters to the whole ocean between March 2011 and August 2011. That was 6 years ago! Now we know the radioactive water is washing up to the North American coastline.
Is it safe to dump Fukushima waste into the sea?
Japan has called for hundreds of thousands tonnes of irradiated water from the nuclear plant to be released into the Pacific Ocean. Karl Mathiesen looks at the potential impacts
Karl Mathiesen
Wednesday 13 April 2016 09.43 EDT Last modified on Wednesday 13 April 2016 09.44 EDT
More than 1,000 tanks brimming with irradiated water stand inland from the Fukushima nuclear plant. Each day 300 tonnes of water are pumped through Fukushima’s ruined reactors to keep them cool. As the water washes through the plant it collects a slew of radioactive particles.
The company that owns the plant – The Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) - has deployed filtration devices that have stripped very dangerous isotopes of strontium and caesium from the flow.
But the water being stored in the tanks still contains tritium, an isotope of hydrogen with two neutrons. Tritium is a major by-product of nuclear reactions and is difficult and expensive to remove from water.
Now, Japan’s Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) has launched a campaign to convince a sceptical world that dumping up to 800,000 tonnes of contaminated water into the Pacific Ocean is a safe and responsible thing to do.
NRA chairman Shunichi Tanaka has officially called on Tepco to work towards a release. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) last year also issued a call for a release to be considered and for Tepco to perform an assessment of the potential impacts. For its part, Tepco has said there are no current plans to release the water. But the Associated Press (AP) reported that company officials are saying in private that they may have no choice.
According to Tanaka, Tritium is “so weak in its radioactivity it won’t penetrate plastic wrapping”. The substance can be harmful if ingested. According to AP, Tanaka had demonstrated the relatively tiny amount of tritium present in the combined Fukushima standing tanks – 57ml in total – by holding a small bottle half full of blue liquid in front of reporters.
A more useful measure of the amount of tritium is its radioactivity, which is measured in becquerels. According to the NRA, the tanks at Fukushima contain 3.4 peta becquerels (PBq) of tritium.
Despite the number of zeros in this measurement (there are 14), this is not a big number, said Ken Buesseler, a senior scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.
To put it in context, the natural global accumulation of tritium is a relatively tiny 2,200 PBq.
The isotope has a half life of 12.3 years and is only created naturally on Earth by a rare reaction between cosmic rays and the atmosphere.
By far the largest source of tritium in our environment is the nuclear weapons testing programme of last century, which dumped a total of 186,000 PBq into the world’s oceans.
Over time this has decayed to roughly 8,000 PBq. Another significant source of tritium are nuclear power stations, which have long dumped tritium-contaminated water into the ocean.
“I would think more has been put into the Irish Sea [from the UK’s Sellafield plant] than would ever be released off Japan,” said Buesseler. So far, the Fukushima disaster has seen 0.1-0.5 PBq leaked or released into the Pacific.
Even if all of the contaminated water were released into the ocean, it would not contain enough tritium to be detectable by the time it dispersed and reached the US west coast about four years later, said Simon Boxall, an oceanographer at the University of Southampton.
“In the broad scale of things, if they do end up putting the material in the Pacific, it will have minimal effect on an ocean basin scale,” said Boxall. “In an ideal world, we wouldn’t be in this situation. But the question is, what is the safest way forward? In many ways this is a pragmatic solution.”
But Boxall said there may be local effects – especially on the already heavily impacted fishing industry – as the contaminated water would take time to disperse.
International maritime law prohibits the building of a pipeline to send the waste offshore. Therefore any release would need to be slow. Tepco did not respond to questions regarding the environmental impact study called for by the IAEA.
Despite harbouring few prima facie fears about the 3.4PBq of tritium stored at Fukushima, Buesseler said the lack of transparency surrounding much of the post-tsunami decommissioning process made it impossible to be definitive about the safety of any course of action.
“Until you get the hard data, it’s hard to say if it’s a good idea or not. I want to have independent confirmation of what’s in every tank, which isotopes, how much they want to release per day. You get more of ‘don’t worry, trust us’,” said Buesseler
He notes that there have been minor differences between the official Tepco line that all leaks have stopped and Buesseler’s own measurements of very low levels of caesium and strontium still entering the ocean from the plant.
“It’s easy to have conspiracy theories when no-one is independently assessing what is going on,” he said.
The push for release will also be a blow to the hopes of US start-up Kurion, and their new parent company Veolia, which was awarded a $10m (£7m) grant from the Japanese government in 2014 to demonstrate that its tritium scrubbing technology could be scaled to meet the challenge of the Fukushima problem. The plan would create 90,000 tonnes of hydrogen gas, which Kurion said could be used to power vehicles.
Neither Tepco, nor Kurion, responded to requests for cost estimates of implementing this technology at the site. Kurion’s website calls it “cost-effective” and has said it could have its demonstration plant running within 18 months.
These costs are fundamental to the question of whether to release the material, because whatever they are, it is the price Japan seems unwilling to pay to fully clean up the lingering mess at Fukushima.
You'd have to eat close to 50 pounds of contaminated Tuna to get the same amount of radiation as in 2 bananas.
It's no more "deceptive and inaccurate" than all the hype about 100% of the fish being "contaminated" or "1 million tons of radioactive water".That is deceptive and inaccurate. Have you measured the contamination of the tuna? What are the radioisotopes in bananas? What are their energy levels and where would those isotopes lodge in the body? Ce137 will go into muscle- including the heart muscle as the primary candidate. I will eat 200 bananas for every 2 pounds of bluefin tuna you eat.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...um_Inventories_of_Selected_North_Pacific_Fish
The sum of 134Cs and 137Cs radiocesium concentrations measured in the fish specimens range from 0.08±0.03 to 0.72 ±0.06 Bq/kg of wet weight
(Figure 1, Table 2), far below the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Derived Intervention Level (DIL) for imported foods of 1200 Bq/kg (137Cs + 134Cs combined) and the critical limit set by the FDA for either cesium isotope, which is 370 Bq/kg (FDA, 2015
It clearly states the readings WERE FAR BELOW THE FDA GUIDELIENS
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The US FDA designated derived intervention limit for radiocesium isotopes in fish is 1200 Bq/kg and our data indicate that the tested fish samples had less then 0.1% of this level.
To calculate the radiocesium-derived committed effective dose to humans from consuming the sampled fish, radionuclide-specific committed effective dose coefficients for adult human ingestion (DC) were utilized in the calculation.
The DC for 137Cs is 13 nSv/Bq and for 134Cs is 19 nSv/Bq (Eckerman et al 2012). The highest concentration of total radiocesium in the tested fish samples is about 0.72 Bq/kg, which corresponds to a dose of 240 nSv/year, assuming a consumption of 24 kg/yr. Eating one 100-g wet weight serving of this fish results in a radiocesium-derived dose of 1 nSv.
Other radionuclides not tested in this study would contribute a more significant additional dose, for example the naturally occurring alpha-emitter 210Po has been shown to contribute as much as 90% of the total dose in fish (Johansen et al 2015). Table 4 displays the committed effective dose based on the above listed DCs for radiocesium isotopes and 6.2 nSv/Bq for 40K (Eckerman et al 2012), and ingestion rates of 24.1 kg/yr of fish.
The conversion of activities to dose reveals that 40K is responsible for about 100 times higher dose
I just realized I don't know Godzilla's preferred pronoun.
In light of Florence's potential impact on nuke reactors in the Carolina's I am reposting this thread to main. I see the "don't worry, be happy," Fukismima crowd is still denying reality. Like I have said from Day One, reality is reality. Be patient. Don't sweat it. We are dealing with an ELE, extinction level event. The lies will eventually be revealed. The Pacific sea life is dying off, a little more every year.
We are in the early stages of this ELE. It has been 7 years, in a multigenerational, multi decade/century disaster. I guess in another decade or two, when pretty much all mammals and fish have died off in the Pacific the media lies won't matter anymore.