BRKG Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed

Walrus

Veteran Member
Most peeps don't have a grasp of how big these engines are.

Here's a 5 min. walkaround of one like in the Dali.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEHNCIBH9o



10 min of engine starting procedures on a similar engine.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8tAGh4-Uy8
What has always amazed me about those engines is how they can isolate a cylinder and do all kinds of work on it while the engine is running. I've never seen it done but always just missed it, seemed like. They tend to do that kind of work on long uninterrupted voyages if they've got all the parts.

One other thing (kind of unrelated) is how the officers on the big vessels always had their wives with them. Nice life they had!
 
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Walrus

Veteran Member
Wonder what the cargo they where carrying? If the refers were running I would assume food. I bring this up since the refers had tripped the generators at dock and needed repair before cleared to cast off.
If they were going to Sri Lanka, they were probably carrying ag parts and stuff like that. Maybe some govt surplus rice, I dunno. I can't imagine what the Sri Lankans could pay US prices for.
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
If they were going to Sri Lanka, they were probably carrying ag parts and stuff like that. Maybe some govt surplus rice, I dunno. I can't imagine what the Sri Lankans could pay US prices for.
In 2022, America exported $396M to Sri Lanka. The main products USA exported to Sri Lanka are Soybean Meal ($80M), Metallic Yarn ($19.5M), and Petroleum Gas ($13.7M).

More/different numbers here:

 

Walrus

Veteran Member
In 2022, America exported $396M to Sri Lanka. The main products USA exported to Sri Lanka are Soybean Meal ($80M), Metallic Yarn ($19.5M), and Petroleum Gas ($13.7M).

More/different numbers here:

Thanks for looking; I was just idly guessing while recuperating from an outpatient procedure earlier today. I never would've guessed metallic yarn or LPG. You'd think the Sri Lankans would buy LPG from India, but I guess they don't get along so well.

I don't really know what kinds of glop is made from soybean meal but I don't think I want to try any of it.
 

Tex88

Veteran Member
Thanks for looking; I was just idly guessing while recuperating from an outpatient procedure earlier today. I never would've guessed metallic yarn or LPG. You'd think the Sri Lankans would buy LPG from India, but I guess they don't get along so well.

I don't really know what kinds of glop is made from soybean meal but I don't think I want to try any of it.
Like 98 percent of it globally is used for animal food.
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I mean.... yeah? Is that supposed to be evidence of anything? "Things look faster when the footage is sped up, hold the front page!?"
At a minimum it's evidence that suggests that whatever actions the crew did or didn't take were exactly the wrong actions...and appear to have contributed to driving the ship directly toward the bridge's support...
 

BornFree

Came This Far
The ship hit at sort of a glancing blow. But, it was enough to move the pier. The bridge and pier system would have some movement designed into it. Full loaded vs lightly loaded, extreme cold vs extreme hot. However, the pier was moved beyond design parameters and the bridge lost it's support.

Shadow
Yes the pier was damaged severely, but it stopped the ship. It does not look like the hull went past it. So if there had been another sacrificial pier like say 50 feet in front of the one supporting the bridge then the one supporting the bridge would not have been struck at all. I am not sure why that is such a hard concept for people. The moral is that a protective structure some distance from and yet around the critical pier would have saved the day.
 
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Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
QFT the pier was damaged severely, but it stopped the ship. It does not look like the hull went past it. So if there had been another superficial pier like say 50 feet in front of the one supporting the bridge then the one supporting the bridge would not have been struck at all. I am not sure why that is such a hard concept for people. The moral is that a protective structure some distance from and yet around the critical pier would have saved the day.
QFT
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Most peeps don't have a grasp of how big these engines are.

Here's a 5 min. walkaround of one like in the Dali.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuEHNCIBH9o



10 min of engine starting procedures on a similar engine.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8tAGh4-Uy8
They are awesome. One of my classmates was on one that blew an injector. They pulled the head, engaged the jacking gear and the chief rode the piston checking for damage to the cylinder. You can’t appreciate their size until you are standing in the engine room next to them.
 

BornFree

Came This Far
Wonder what the cargo they where carrying? If the refers were running I would assume food. I bring this up since the refers had tripped the generators at dock and needed repair before cleared to cast off.
It looks like very little of the cargo was damaged. I am gonna guess that they could get that boat back to port in very short time if they wanted to. After they lift the steal trusses off from it. Then they will need to unload it. Hopefully they save any perishables like food. But past experience with authority type people says they won't.
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Yes the pier was damaged severely, but it stopped the ship. It does not look like the hull went past it. So if there had been another superficial pier like say 50 feet in front of the one supporting the bridge then the one supporting the bridge would not have been struck at all. I am not sure why that is such a hard concept for people. The moral is that a protective structure some distance from and yet around the critical pier would have saved the day.
Take a look at all that protection around the power pole, and compare that to NOTHING protecting the bridge. It seems we have idiots running the asylum. I realize the power poles went in after regulations changed, but someone with authority should've realized we should be protecting the mutil-billion dollar bridge better than we were protecting the power pole right beside it.

Here on the Tennessee River, we don't have ships anywhere near that big, and we have these huge honking concrete supports on our bridges. No protection, but they've been hit a few times by barges and laughed at them.

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Slydersan

Veteran Member
The companies that use the Baltimore port have already started implementing alternate shipping plans. I saw dozens of semi-trucks hauling flatbed trailers with CaseIH farm tractors of some variety and some Caterpillar (I think) bulldozers out of the Dundalk/Seagirt terminal side of the port. They were heading towards I-95 enroute to ?? (obviously some other port)

And yes you can tell the workers were all most likely illegals. You can tell by the words the local news channels are using and Not-using. "Oh there were FROM Dundalk and Baltimore..." But in the interview with family members they all say they are FROM Mexico/Central America. So the news is trying to make you feel sorry for the "local boys". :kk1:
"They were here, striving for the American dream..." blah blah blah.

And they interviewed some of the people on that cruise ship that left Baltimore on I think Sunday and obviously can't get back in. The plan is to come back to Virginia Beach and shuttle bus them back up here. Of course some people are already bitching about that plan "That's all they are going to do? That's NOT good enough." So expect lawsuits all around. //sigh//
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So for anyone wandering how shallow the water is.
Apparently the bow of the ship is sitting on the bottom due to the weight of the bridge sitting on it.




Baltimore bridge collapse: Coast Guard says 56 containers on cargo ship have hazardous materials​




Coast Guard Vice Adm. Peter Gautier on Wednesday revealed that there are dozens of containers that contain hazardous materials onboard the stricken cargo ship that caused the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore.

Gautier said during the White House press briefing that of the 4,700 containers onboard the Dali, 56 contain hazardous materials, but there is currently "no threat to the public."
"The majority of those containers are closer to the pilot house and are completely unaffected by the damage to the bow of the ship," he said. "And we have not determined that there's any kind of release at this time."

"The real critical thing here is that, as you know, a portion of the bridge remains on the bow on that ship, and we will be coordinating very closely with the Army Corps of Engineers and their contractors to first effect the removal of that debris before the vessel can then be removed," Gautier added. "The vessel bow is sitting on the bottom because of the weight of that bridge debris on there."


The Coast Guard will be working with the Army Corps of Engineers to lead the cleanup of the Patapsco River so the Port of Baltimore can get back to full operation, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg told reporters.

He said "rebuilding will not be quick or easy or cheap, but we will get it done."

"What we do know is a bridge like this one, completed in the 1970s, was simply not made to withstand a direct impact on a critical support pier from a vessel that weighs about 200 million pounds, orders of magnitude bigger than cargo ships that were in service in that region at the time that the bridge was first built," Buttigieg said.

A recovery mission is ongoing Wednesday to find the bodies of the six construction workers who remain missing and are presumed dead following Tuesday’s collapse.

"This will be a long and difficult path," Buttigieg said Wednesday. "But we will come together around Baltimore and we will rebuild together. "
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I realize the power poles went in after regulations changed, but someone with authority should've realized we should be protecting the mutil-billion dollar bridge better than we were protecting the power pole right beside it.
Someone may have indeed recognized that. The tough part is selling this idea to politicians, to pass a budget that includes fixing this. That doesn't sound like something that's going to resonate much. That's why our infrastructure is in such rocky shape.
 

Slydersan

Veteran Member
Take a look at all that protection around the power pole, and compare that to NOTHING protecting the bridge. It seems we have idiots running the asylum. I realize the power poles went in after regulations changed, but someone with authority should've realized we should be protecting the mutil-billion dollar bridge better than we were protecting the power pole right beside it.

Here on the Tennessee River, we don't have ships anywhere near that big, and we have these huge honking concrete supports on our bridges. No protection, but they've been hit a few times by barges and laughed at them.

Quick note on those power poles - they literally just put those in last spring/summer. They are carrying a brand new high voltage line (not sure of the capacity) for all of the Amazon/FedEx/etc. warehouses going in at where the Sparrows Point steel mills used to be. There is a power plant not too far away on the southern shore. So they are brand spanking new and I'm sure under a different Code.

The way they hooked the lines and insulators up was NUTS! They had 2 guys attached some way to the cross arms of the power poles and a helicopter would hook up an insulator (they are at least 10 ft tall) to a cargo line and lift it up to where the guys were. They would attach it, helicopter would fly back, grab another one, rinse repeat. When it came time to run the wires. There were 2 guys attached to some kind of seat that would dangle about 50ft under the copter. Pilot would drop down to where those guys could reach/attach the wire...over and over. Even in light winds. During the day with traffic right beside them on the bridge. I can't believe there weren't any accidents from people (like me!) staring in dis-belief at what I was seeing for days at a time. That pilot and the workers have BIG, BRASS ones... and I hope they make a TON of money.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
'The vessel went dead, no steering power and no electronics...
So the ship was moving straight in the center of the channel. Then they lost power and steerage. So why did it turn on a direct course to the bridge pier?
If something caused the turn (wind/rudder/current) why didn't it keep turning? Why did it stay on the straight course to ram the bridge?
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
So the ship was moving straight in the center of the channel. Then they lost power and steerage. So why did it turn on a direct course to the bridge pier?
If something caused the turn (wind/rudder/current) why didn't it keep turning? Why did it stay on the straight course to ram the bridge?
It didn't turn on a direct course to the pier, and it didn't stay straight to the pier. It turned continuously right until they got a little rudder control just at the end, and then it started to turn back to the left. You can see it start to go back left in the super-speedy video. Unfortunately, the sum of all that was to end up at the pier.
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
The companies that use the Baltimore port have already started implementing alternate shipping plans. I saw dozens of semi-trucks hauling flatbed trailers with CaseIH farm tractors of some variety and some Caterpillar (I think) bulldozers out of the Dundalk/Seagirt terminal side of the port. They were heading towards I-95 enroute to ?? (obviously some other port)

And yes you can tell the workers were all most likely illegals. You can tell by the words the local news channels are using and Not-using. "Oh there were FROM Dundalk and Baltimore..." But in the interview with family members they all say they are FROM Mexico/Central America. So the news is trying to make you feel sorry for the "local boys". :kk1:
"They were here, striving for the American dream..." blah blah blah.

And they interviewed some of the people on that cruise ship that left Baltimore on I think Sunday and obviously can't get back in. The plan is to come back to Virginia Beach and shuttle bus them back up here. Of course some people are already bitching about that plan "That's all they are going to do? That's NOT good enough." So expect lawsuits all around. //sigh//
Immigration is a huge fiasco, but at this moment I'm honestly not concerned about the status of the workers. They had *nothing* to do with the accident, and supposedly they had no warning because they didn't have walkie-talkies. *Anyone* out on a jobsite like that should have means of communication.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy

Dali cargo ship suffered 'severe electrical problem' while docked in Baltimore days prior to bridge collapse crash that saw it suffer 'total power failure, loss of engine failure', port worker says​



  • Julie Mitchell, co-administrator of Container Royalty, told CNN the ship was anchored at the port for at least 48 hours prior to the deadly crash
  • Mitchell explained that refrigerated boxes tripped breakers on board the ship on several occasions, and mechanics had been trying to fix the issue
  • The 1.6-mile Key Bridge partially collapsed after the cargo shipping container vessel crashed into one of its support structures just before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday
By Laura Parnaby For Dailymail.Com

Published: 15:07 EDT, 27 March 2024 | Updated: 15:29 EDT, 27 March 2024

The Dali cargo ship which smashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge suffered a 'severe electrical problem' while docked in Baltimore days before, according to a port worker.
Julie Mitchell, co-administrator of Container Royalty, a company which tracks cargo, told CNN the ship was anchored at the port for at least 48 hours prior to the deadly crash.
'And those two days, they were having serious power outages… they had a severe electrical problem,' Mitchell told the broadcaster. 'It was total power failure, loss of engine power, everything.'

Mitchell explained that refrigerated boxes tripped breakers on board the ship on several occasions, and mechanics had been trying to fix the issue. She said she didn't know whether the problem had been fixed when the ship set off.

The 1.6-mile Key Bridge partially collapsed after the cargo shipping container vessel crashed into one of its support structures just before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday morning.


Maryland Governor Wes Moore said the ship's crew notified officials that it had lost power in the moments before the collision.

Mitchell told CNN that major power problems on board large vessels like the Dali are 'not really that common at all', describing the freak incident as 'very rare'.

'They shouldn't have let the ship leave port until they got it on under control,' she said.

Six workers who were on the bridge, pouring concrete to fix potholes as part of a graveyard shift remain missing and are presumed dead.

It has been widely reported that the Dali suffered a loss in propulsion which caused steering issues in the lead-up to the crash that caused the iconic bridge to collapse like a 'house of cards.'

One officer on the Dali also said that before the crash, the engines 'coughed and then stopped.' There was not enough time before the ship hit the bridge to drop anchors prompting the vessel to drift.

'The vessel went dead, no steering power and no electronics... The smell of burned fuel was everywhere in the engine room and it was pitch black,' the officer said.

When a ship such as the Dali loses power, backup generators kick in but they do not fulfill all of the same functions as the main power, Pagoulatos said.

In 2016, the Dali was involved in an accident in the port of Antwerp.

The Antwerp port authorities said the container ship Dali hit a quay on July 11, 2016, as it tried to exit the North Sea container terminal.

A 2016 inspection of the vessel conducted in Antwerp found it had a structural issue, which was stated as 'hull damage impairing its seaworthiness,' according to data published on Equasis, a public database for the shipping industry.


Inspectors found a problem with the Dali's machinery in June, but a more recent examination did not identify any deficiencies, according to the shipping information system Equasis.
The port authorities said the ship had remained at the dock for repairs for some time after the incident.
'As a general rule, these accidents are investigated and ships are only allowed to leave after experts have determined it is safe for them to do so,' a spokesperson for Antwerp port told Reuters.
Video footage on social media showed the vessel slamming into the bridge in darkness, the headlights of vehicles visible on the span as it crashed into the water and the ship caught fire.
U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said closure of one of the country's busiest shipping lanes until further notice would have a 'major and protracted impact to supply chains.'
The Port of Baltimore handles more automobile cargo than any other U.S. port - more than 750,000 vehicles in 2022, according to port data.
If that is the case, and they wanted to get away with not fixing it, (not condoning that) the whole crew should have been on duty. The aux steering and anchor systems should have been maned, all generators should have been running and crew should have been at the electrical breakers. Refrigerated boxes could have been taken offline temporarily until they were out of the port. It looked like the aux generator did not start until after the first power failure.

This is sounding like gross negligence.

Shadow
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
What I gathered from the "hazardous materials" comment was that there are items with lithium batteries, and probably some cleaning product type things. Not ideal, and hopefully not a lot of it spills, but we aren't likely talking about a biohazard type of thing. They have protections up to contain as much of it as possible, and they've gotten decent at doing that for the lightweight stuff, but not so much the heavy elements. My guess is that within the next couple of hours, we'll have a list of the specific hazardous materials.
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
I would suggest the port swing at the very end was actually from the anchor being dropped. The chain is leading aft so it obviously drug for some distance
That's what I've been trying to say all day --- the anchor was at the very very front, so it stabilized the front and allowed the back end to keep traveling the same speed, which equaled a turn towards the bridge support.
 

Slydersan

Veteran Member
What I gathered from the "hazardous materials" comment was that there are items with lithium batteries, and probably some cleaning product type things. Not ideal, and hopefully not a lot of it spills, but we aren't likely talking about a biohazard type of thing. They have protections up to contain as much of it as possible, and they've gotten decent at doing that for the lightweight stuff, but not so much the heavy elements. My guess is that within the next couple of hours, we'll have a list of the specific hazardous materials.

The local news is reporting similar things. Some of the things on the ship are "hazardous" but don't threaten lives. Amazon/UPS/FedEx ship "hazardous" stuff to peoples houses all day long. Batteries, cleaning chemicals, ammo, etc.
 
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