CRIME Few answers as Chicago hit with worst violence in nearly 20 years

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Few answers as Chicago hit with worst violence in nearly 20 years

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By Jeremy Gorner, Contact Reporter
Chicago Tribune
December 30, 2016, 7:44 AM

It was movie night in Demarco Kennedy's Far South Side apartment.

The 32-year-old railroad worker's wife and three children waited for him in the living room, with plans to watch the animated film "Rio 2." He sat at his dining room table, paying bills.

Then, gunshots.

Kennedy's kids, coached in the past by their wary parents, dropped to the floor.

As the children attempted to crawl into a hallway, Kennedy's wife saw him fall over. The left side of his face was streaked with blood from a bullet wound.

"He was grabbing my hand real hard. He was trying to say something and he couldn't," Nicole Cooper said Tuesday, recounting the August evening when her husband was slain. "And when he released my hand, that's when he passed."

With that random bullet through the family's window, Kennedy became another homicide victim in Chicago, one of more than 750 in 2016.

A persistent reality for some of Chicago's toughest neighborhoods, violence unnerved far reaches of the city in 2016 as shootings and homicides soared. Not since the drug-fueled bloodshed of the mid-1990s had the city witnessed such a toll.

Some neighborhoods, already scarred and gutted by years of violence, suffered inordinately. But the danger spread into more neighborhoods, too, and randomness became an all-too-familiar element to many shootings.

Grim milestones added up: The deadliest month in 23 years. The deadliest day in 13 years. 4,300 people shot. As the year wound down, with the promise of a new year coming soon, a violent Christmas Day.

"It's a shame. It's a shame," said Rafi Peterson, a community activist in the Chicago Lawn community on the Southwest Side. "Those lives cannot be replaced.

"How did this happen? Why is this continuing to happen?"

For months, police, politicians and residents have asked the same questions.

In a recent interview at police headquarters, Superintendent Eddie Johnson and his second-in-command, First Deputy Superintendent Kevin Navarro, speculated on the rise in homicides. They blamed, in part, a perceived willingness by criminals to settle disputes with guns, and what they say is a failure on the part of the justice system to hold them accountable.

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"We used to respond to gang fights in progress … now we respond to shots fired," Navarro said. "People fought. Now everyone picks up the gun. Just like that."

Through Dec. 26, 754 people were slain in Chicago compared with 480 during the same period last year, an increase of 57 percent, according to official Police Department statistics. The last time Chicago tallied a similar number of killings was in 1997, when 761 people were slain. Shooting incidents also jumped by 46 percent this year to 3,512 from 2,398, the statistics show.

What's more, crimes went up by double digits in nearly every major category, including criminal sexual assaults, robberies and thefts.

Month by month, Chicago's homicide numbers have ticked upward. On cold days and warm days, snowy days and during holiday weekends alike.

Kennedy's slaying on Aug. 9 in the Rosemoor neighborhood was among the 92 homicides across Chicago that month, the most the city had seen for a single month since July 1993 when there were 99. The weekend immediately before Halloween ended with 59 people shot, 17 fatally, the deadliest weekend of 2016. In November, homicides totaled 77, the worst for that month since 78 in 1994.

The Police Department statistics do not include about an additional 20 killings on area expressways, police-involved shootings, other homicides in which a person was killed in self-defense or death investigations.

Looking back to 1998, when Chicago recorded 704 homicides, the city was in the midst of a homicide decline from more than 900 earlier in the decade. The turn of the millennium saw a bottoming out, with homicides dropping to 453 at the end of 2004 — around the time the Police Department began relying on computerized data to know where to deploy officers where they're needed the most. The tally rose again somewhat, then went down again in 2014, when the city recorded 416 slayings.

As the homicide numbers headed upward this year, crime experts cautioned against making year-to-year comparisons, arguing that long-term trends give a better understanding of how the level of violence in a city has changed over time.

Still, even though it has a lower homicide rate than many U.S. cities with smaller populations, Chicago by far continued to lead the nation in actual number of slayings.

The city's homicides outpaced New York City and Los Angeles combined, even though their populations far exceed Chicago's 2.7 million people. According to official statistics through Dec. 18, the most recent publicly available, New York and Los Angeles had a combined 613 homicides, fewer than Chicago's total. In addition, there were a combined 2,306 shooting victims in the two cities, about half of Chicago's total.

Crime experts cannot point to any definitive factors for the increases in shootings and homicides in Chicago this year. But some experts have come to one conclusion: Chicago's dramatic rise in homicides this year is the highest of any major city.

A draft released Thursday of a new study from the University of Chicago Crime Lab noted that of the five largest U.S. cities by population, including New York City, Los Angeles, Philadelphia and Houston, Chicago has seen the largest single-year homicide increase of the last 25 years.

The study also noted that the increase in slayings this year was "sudden and sustained," with each month recording more homicides than the same months in 2015. But they pointed out that other cities throughout the country have also seen increases in homicides.

"The fact that many other American cities saw homicides increase in 2015 and 2016 suggests that part of what Chicago experienced this past year may not be unique to our city," according to the study.

The study's authors were careful to say they could not explain why Chicago's violence has gone up, though they said weather patterns, declines in finances for social services, and any changes in police response couldn't be definitively linked to the sudden and dramatic increase. They did note, however, that more homicides were committed with guns in Chicago than other cities.

In 2016, about 91 percent of Chicago's homicides were committed with a firearm, up from 88 percent last year, the study showed. When you compare that with 1998, the last time Chicago recorded over 700 homicides, about 76 percent of those victims were killed with guns, official Police Department statistics show.

Los Angeles' homicides committed with guns averaged 72 percent from 2011 to 2015, and 60 percent in New York City, the study noted.

However, Jens Ludwig, a professor of social service administration, law and public policy at the University of Chicago, said that the study could not conclude whether there were actually more guns on Chicago's streets this year compared with past years.

"There's no way to know if more guns are flooding into Chicago because there's no definitive measure of the numbers of guns in Chicago," said Ludwig, one of the authors of the study.

Police struggle

The year was tumultuous for the Chicago Police Department, as it struggled to contain the rise in violence while also undergoing reforms sparked by the release of 2014 video that showed Officer Jason Van Dyke fatally shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald. A torrent of street protests followed.

A wide-ranging civil rights investigation by the U.S. Justice Department into the city's police practices was launched. Van Dyke was charged with first-degree murder and Mayor Rahm Emanuel fired police Superintendent Garry McCarthy.

Johnson, in the recent interview, said negative attitudes toward the police began to grow in 2014 when a white police officer fatally shot an unarmed black teen in Ferguson, Mo. The McDonald shooting intensified that distrust and anger in Chicago.

These incidents diminished the respect that police once had, emboldening criminals, Johnson said.

"The level of disrespect I see for police now, I've never seen it like this in 28 years," he said. "The willingness of the bad guy to engage a police officer, I've never, it's just different. … Before, they didn't engage the police like they do now.

"Now, the police are perceived as the bad guy, and they're not given the benefit of the doubt anymore," Johnson said. "Back then in '98, it was the total reverse. ... Don't think that the bad guy doesn't look at what's (happening) on CNN and say, 'Oh, they're really giving it to the police. Now is my time to shine.'"

Indeed, officers have told the Tribune that morale was lower this year. Officers described taking a more cautious approach to their work, concerned they could end up in a viral video, sued or fired.

The Tribune chronicled two key measures that appeared to show cops scaled back on their interaction with the public. Arrests, which have generally been on the decline in recent years, dropped sharply through Dec. 25 to 84,644, a 24 percent decrease from 111,499 a year earlier and the fewest in at least five years, according to official police statistics.

Over that same period, street stops — in which officers stop people on foot and document the interaction — have plunged to 106,570, down 82 percent from 599,590 a year earlier. Officers complain a longer, time-consuming form that police must fill out for each stop has played a significant part in the drop.

However, the draft U. of C. study released Thursday questioned whether Chicago's decline in street stops and arrests truly could be a driving factor of violence, noting that when New York's stops dropped in recent years, homicides did not dramatically increase. Still, the researchers noted that reducing street stops could have a different effect "across cities," but that the factor isn't well understood yet.

Critics of the department say that decades of officer misconduct and the department's failure to discipline officers has also played a large role in the public's mistrust of police.

Johnson acknowledged there is a widened gap between police and minority communities, a distrust that he and some crime experts believe has contributed to the increase in violence.

"We treated the black community inappropriately in a lot of instances," he said during the interview. "You cannot go into a community and stop everybody. You see a man with a Comcast uniform on ... walking his wife to the grocery store, and you're stopping him. Why?

"That creates a lot of mistrust between the community and the Police Department," Johnson continued. "We recognize that we did treat certain parts of this city inappropriately. And that was our fault. So we have to correct that. But you can't correct it until you acknowledge that it was a problem."

Guns and gangs

Police officials have also blamed much of Chicago's violence on the flow of illegal firearms through dangerous neighborhoods, mainly on the South and West sides. That problem, experts say, is far worse in Chicago than in New York and Los Angeles.

Johnson has spoken often about legislation in the works in Springfield aimed at requiring repeat gun offenders to serve longer prison terms.

Officials have also blamed an intractable gang problem in Chicago for the violence. Once highly structured and hierarchal, Chicago's street gangs have fractured into small factions. Petty disagreements and personal disputes fueled by social media can quickly turn violent, police officials have said.

Gang expert John Hagedorn noted that by the late 1990s, the organized gang wars for power and dominance were starting to become less commonplace. Gang leaders went to jail. The nationwide crack epidemic was coming to an end, causing the gangs to make less money in narcotics than before, he said. Chicago's sprawling public housing complexes were also being torn down, Hagedorn noted, sending gang members to different parts of the city where other gangs were in control.

All of these elements shifted the nature of the city's gangs from "a culture of obedience" to "a culture of autonomy," he said.

"Kids were off on their own. The nature of the violence swings," said Hagedorn, a professor of criminology, law and justice at the University of Illinois at Chicago. "Rather than violent orders from the top … violence today is local between sects and it's spontaneous, not structured. And there's nobody around to control it."

Johnson said the department is trying to utilize its so-called strategic subject list to beat back gangs. The department uses a computerized algorithm to identify about 1,400 people, mostly gang members, considered most likely to shoot someone or become a victim of violence. Once they're identified, the department tries to contact these people, warn them of the consequences of their lifestyles and try to steer them on the right path by offering them an array of social services.

Neighborhoods under fire

Most of the violence in 2016 has been concentrated on the South and West sides, in communities struggling with decades of poverty, entrenched segregation, gangs, rampant narcotics sales and other social ills.

Two of the city's historically most violent police districts — Harrison and Englewood — account for almost one-fourth of Chicago's homicides and shooting incidents. But, violence has touched most of the city, spiking in nearly all of the 22 patrol districts.

Harrison, a West Side district that includes communities such as West Garfield Park and North Lawndale, has recorded the worst violence. Through Dec. 25, 92 people were killed, a 92 percent increase over the 48 people slain a year earlier, official department statistics show. Shooting incidents rose to 469, up 74 percent from 270 a year earlier.

One block in West Garfield Park, the 4400 block of West Monroe Street, has seen at least 10 people shot this year, one of them fatally, according to a Tribune analysis. The block is just north of the Eisenhower Expressway, nicknamed the "Heroin Highway" because of its easy access for drug-buying suburbanites. Conflicts over lucrative drug spots throughout the area fuel much of the violence.

Residents there spoke of aimless youth and abandoned buildings, where squatters live and crime breeds. While objecting to the block as being described as dangerous, one resident said she is careful not to let people congregate in front of her apartment building.

The resident, who asked not to be named, raised her three children on the block. They were steered away from gang life through her strict parenting, she said.

"If I, me and my husband, did not put our foot down, our children could have been a product of the streets," she said. "My husband told my children, my two boys, 'I will kill you before I let the streets kill you.'"

Another resident said that level of protective parenting doesn't happen for many.

"There's too many young people who are out here who have no family, and so their friends become their family," the resident said.

Some of the city's hardest-hit neighborhoods in the 1990s remain so today. Englewood and Deering on the Far South Side, and Harrison and Austin on the West Side, all saw steep rises in homicides and shooting incidents in 2016.

In 1998, the last time Chicago hit the 700-homicide mark, these districts accounted for the highest homicide totals in the city. But their tallies were even higher this year.

Other neighborhoods that had high homicide tallies in the late '90s have changed. The Shakespeare District, which includes now-gentrified neighborhoods like Wicker Park and Logan Square, recorded 30 homicides in 1998, while tallying only nine in 2016.

And in 1998, the Monroe and Wood districts, which encompassed areas that have also since gentrified like East Ukrainian Village, West Town and Pilsen, had a combined 46 homicides. But since then, the two patrol districts have consolidated into what's now known as the Near West District, which recorded 24 homicides through Sunday, the data show.

Asked what the Police Department can do better in the communities where violence has increased the most, Johnson said it all comes back to building trust between the police and public.

"Once we do that, then people will be more comfortable (with us)," he said. "If these guys are out there and they know that the community is not going to tell on them, what do you think they're going to do? Come out tomorrow and do the same thing. Why not? There's no consequence for it."

Beyond the number of homicides, Chicago police's success in solving murders continues to decline, with the department solving fewer homicides than the last two years.

The city's clearance rate was 30 percent in 2016, department statistics through Dec. 14 show. Those numbers include homicides that were solved this year but committed in earlier years.

But when the old cases aren't factored in, the clearance rate in 2016 was roughly 20 percent, with 145 homicides solved through Dec. 14, the data show.

In all of 2015, the clearance rate was 47 percent, but 25 percent when the older cases are stripped out. The clearance rate in 2014 was 51 percent, and 28 percent without the older cases.

'Everybody' has a gun

The persistent violence affects how some families approach everyday living. They choose not to go outside, they say. They avoid open windows and slow-moving cars. They dream of getting out.

Cooper, whose husband was shot in August, grew up in the Frank O. Lowden Homes public homes on the South Side. She began dating Kennedy in the eighth grade. They had three children together, their first when they were in high school.

"We just became adults at a young age," said Cooper, now 32. "That's my lifelong partner. I don't know anyone else but him."

Kennedy worked for about four years as a truck driver for the Burlington Northern Santa Fe railroad, including on the graveyard shift. Cooper, at one time, was working three jobs herself.

Even before his death, Cooper said their family often tried to stay away from windows in their apartment, fearful of gunfire in the neighborhood. When it occurred, Kennedy would always be the one to rush over to his children and tell them to get down, Cooper said.

They had planned to leave their neighborhood for a better one, waiting out their lease.

Cooper lamented that criminals with gun convictions are given lax penalties, if they're caught at all.

"They don't realize what they do to the families when they kill someone," she said. "Me and my children are going to counseling once a week because they don't know how to live without their father."

Kennedy's older brother, Lorenzo, cuts hair in a barber shop and will open his own place next month. He's named it Demarco's Barber Lounge, for his brother.

In his neighborhood growing up, making it to 30 without having "to sell drugs for the rest of your life" was a blessing, he said. And many younger people in Chicago today don't have much of a chance to live that life, he said.

"I feel sorry for the kids that do know right from wrong ... and end up losing their lives and getting shot in the process of a couple of little knuckleheads who ... close their eyes when they shoot," he said.

"Everybody got guns. Everybody got 30 bullets in their gun."

jgorner@chicagotribune.com

Twitter @JeremyGorner
 
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West

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I muse, the answer would be no public safety nets, and no income taxes on businesses or individual's. Plus no restrictions or laws on personal individual rights to carry fire arms. If it was so, I bet with in a year the current problems would go away.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Answer? A massive police presence, appointment of a couple hundred no-nonsense judges, and half-dozen high capacity work prisons on some southern Illinois farmland.
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
I muse, the answer would be no public safety nets, and no income taxes on businesses or individual's. Plus no restrictions or laws on personal individual rights to carry fire arms. If it was so, I bet with in a year the current problems would go away.
No that will not do it,but. Have a couple of walking cops on every block.They will know the people on their blocks and what goes on. They will know the cops in the surrounding blocks. Shootings will drop off in a year,maybe two.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
60 Minutes (CBS) must have a Chicago violence segment scheduled for this Sunday - the former CPD Super Gerry McCarthy was mentioned as being interviewed - he's one of the biggest scum bags around - the most vocal & rabid anti-2A copper in the country - but his firing and replacement by a "more understanding & acceptable" black cop is nothing but a joke ....

no answers? ---- these are hardcore thugs - nicey nice won't get the job down .... JUST HOPE TO HELL TRUMP & COMPANY DOESN"T TAKE THE DNC BAIT - don't get involved !!!!!!
 

Yogizorch

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank you Rahm. Definition of stupidity: Keep doing what you've been doing and expect different results.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
No that will not do it,but. Have a couple of walking cops on every block.They will know the people on their blocks and what goes on. They will know the cops in the surrounding blocks. Shootings will drop off in a year,maybe two.


nope - exact thing has been tried 4 ways to Sunday - the city has busted the bank flooding the Shooting Gallery with cops - $$$$$ MILLIONS upon MILLIONS $$$$ in overtime salaries - slow down in shootings while the cops have arms linked and circling thru the streets - the shootings go up the day after to make up the difference ....

it's an uncivilized culture thing - plain & simple - it's how they want to live - there's absolutely NO cooperation from the black ghetto .... the CPD murder solve rate is like 20% for the entire city - ghetto shootings is less than 1% .... what's done in the ghetto - stays in the ghetto
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
One answer would be to put these gangbanging animals down and out of society's misery. I would bet that most of the violent gun crime is done by repeat offenders, so why spend the money on trying to rehabilitate or even trying to punish them with prison. The only way to deal with a rabid animal is to put it down. Putting these murderers down is the only way to prevent them from doing it again. It might take awhile to make an impact on the crime rates, but it'll happen.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
IIRC Detectives ran a pre Christmas raid citywide in the days before Xmas 2015 for parole violations, various outstanding warrants and got about 40 of the worst warlords off the street at least till they got bail and walked, so kept the shooting gallery to a minimum. (a forced temp. truce between rivals) That was Garry's last detail, standing order to run contact cards for all gang tactical squads before he left Dec. '15.

Weather is always a factor as well, this year was milder after that Dec 18-20 cold snap so the riff raff was back out. (48-50 degrees expected tonight for NY Times Square ball drop per WABC radio, egads)

I hear ya on rank n file complaints, they make it vocal on SCC blog too, lol. Don't be surprised if Garry lurks here tho. Savoir Faire is *everywhere*.

That audio of random gunfire taken under the viaduct by an unmarked undercover vehicle was astounding. And I lived there for years, heard/watched several July 4ths.

They have tried everything. For decades. How do you deal with a culture that shoots someone at a house party for stepping on his basketball shoes accidentally, and is killed for disrespecting him? A cop on every corner cannot solve that. Its feral.

Not positive as I don't recognize any landmarks but am told this is parked somewhere between 78th and 84th and weapon report is heard in all four directions.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9cXPYZ3mrg
 
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mistaken1

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The only answer these lefties are looking for is a total ban on guns. Since they cannot get that they are left with 'few answers'.

Rather than banning tools how about they try banning violent behaviour? I am sure that will work out.

Until people can start talking about the violent culture of the inner cities in honest ways without having the discourse shouted down by the enablers as racism we cannot even begin to dissect the problem let alone come up with any real solutions.

I have a dream where my children will live in a country where they cannot be judged by the content of their character because of the color of their skin.
 

Housecarl

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nope - exact thing has been tried 4 ways to Sunday - the city has busted the bank flooding the Shooting Gallery with cops - $$$$$ MILLIONS upon MILLIONS $$$$ in overtime salaries - slow down in shootings while the cops have arms linked and circling thru the streets - the shootings go up the day after to make up the difference ....

it's an uncivilized culture thing - plain & simple - it's how they want to live - there's absolutely NO cooperation from the black ghetto .... the CPD murder solve rate is like 20% for the entire city - ghetto shootings is less than 1% .... what's done in the ghetto - stays in the ghetto

If there was ever a region that the current version of the Insurrection Act was meant for it is Chicago with the level of street gang violence concentrated there in....

§ 333. Major public emergencies; Iinterference with State and Federal law

(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.--

(1) The President , by using the militia or may employ the armed forces , or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--
(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if it-- such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).
(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--
(1) (A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
(2)(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
(3) In any situation covered by clause (1) paragraph (1)(B), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.
(b) NOTICE TO CONGRESS.--

The President shall notify Congress of the determination to exercise the authority in subsection (a)(1)(A) as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of the authority.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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60 Minutes (CBS) must have a Chicago violence segment scheduled for this Sunday - the former CPD Super Gerry McCarthy was mentioned as being interviewed - he's one of the biggest scum bags around - the most vocal & rabid anti-2A copper in the country - but his firing and replacement by a "more understanding & acceptable" black cop is nothing but a joke ....

no answers? ---- these are hardcore thugs - nicey nice won't get the job down .... JUST HOPE TO HELL TRUMP & COMPANY DOESN"T TAKE THE DNC BAIT - don't get involved !!!!!!


Yes, the 60 Minutes story airs tomorrow night. It details the fact that "proactive policing" , where cops are looking for lawbreakers, has dropped to essentially zero. They are just answering 911 calls now. A spokesman said that cop morale is at an all-time low.

Yes, we know what the solutions, are but those solutions are incompatible with the militant ****** organizations. I mean look: another thread on Page One details a "cops as pigs" painting ON DISPLAY IN THE US CAPITOL. You can't expect quality policing when this level of overt hostility toward cops is prevalent.

It should be interesting to watch whichever ultraliberal 60 Minutes reporter is assigned, attempting to "grope for answers". Most entertaining....
 

West

Senior
No that will not do it,but. Have a couple of walking cops on every block.They will know the people on their blocks and what goes on. They will know the cops in the surrounding blocks. Shootings will drop off in a year,maybe two.

Right now people are penalized 15% plus for making more than $401 dollars a year in income. Heck on government safety nets one can make over the official poverty rates ($10k year +-) and not pay a dime in income taxes. This is a huge problem and punishes the independent. IMHO, It breeds criminal activities.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Absolutely not missing it either, must see tv even if its highly edited. As its setting a tone for 2017 and the huge crisis of the cop ambushes nationwide. Perhaps there will be an uncut or extended interview either transcript or posted to youtube. They are notoriously heavy handed in the editing booth.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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No that will not do it,but. Have a couple of walking cops on every block.They will know the people on their blocks and what goes on. They will know the cops in the surrounding blocks. Shootings will drop off in a year,maybe two.

Nice idea, but entirely erroneous. The problem isn't the number of cops. That's one of the erroneous assumptions put forth in the 60 Minutes story. The problem is that when cops actually do,their jobs, it inevitably leads to cops shooting ghetto-rats. And then the cops get arrested and dragged through court. Even though most are exonerated at the end, who would willingly put themselves in the position of being arrested every time they do their job?

THAT is the real root of the problem, and it's not just in Chicongo.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Few answers?

For them to live in a civil society there are no answers.....it isn't possible.

The only answer is a one-way ticket (I hope there aren't any readers stupid enough to be offended by that).
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
For so long the black community has had the code of silence. They refuse to help with any sort of investigation of criminal activity in their community because it was squealing. It happens all across the country, they do not want to cooperate , yet when a crime happens to "their" family, and touches "them" personally, they are the first to scream the loudest for justice. Yet they themselves have stymied justice all their lives by turning their backs on law enforcement when they came to them looking for help to solve crimes, or ways to help curb crime in their neighborhoods, or to point out those who are the criminal element amounst them, because that would break the negro code of squealing.
The gun problem in Chicago should not exist. Federal laws are strick, felons caught with a gun face up to 10 years in a federal jail, if a gun is used in a drug crime or a federal violence crime it is a minimum of 5 years up to life without parole or if a death occurred in commission of the crime, the death penalty. The district attorneys are NOT using the full extent of the law to protect their communities, for whatever reason here. Perhaps it is the excuse that the prisons are full? BULLSHIT! We are NOT talking local state prisons here, we are talking FEDERAL prisons for these offenders. They can be sent all over the country, they can be sent ANYWHERE, and so they should be, to make it harder on them to receive visitors! There should be NO excuse to not get violent offenders off the streets. The excuse the DA use is this one, as I have seen it first hand, they try to bargain, and want to go after the higher ups. They say they want to get the top dogs, and let the "little guys" go. Meanwhile, these so called little guys go back out on the street and continue to terrorize and kill each other, and innocent people every day, and the DA's never do get the "higher up" guys. It is time to enforce the laws, and forget these fishing expeditions and start putting the little guys away, and making the streets safe.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
The core of the problem is Rahm. Chicago has a violence problem. It needs an aggressive police force that is able to push the edge when that needs to happen. When the CPD does that and something goes wrong (which if will) then Rahm backs off and lets the cops take the hit for their actions. Face it, this is not a normal policing situation. This is a combat zone. Different tactics must be used to diffuse violence.

When the police find that they are not backed up by their mayor, they simply shut down. The average response time for a domestic violence call in Chicago, for example, is between 20 and 30 minutes. Whatever incident will be over by then. The same is true for other potentially violent calls.

The Chicago police have become report writers and picture takers. They don't "police" any more.

It is time to do two things: 1) Dismiss Rahm as the mayor ASAP; and, 2) remove the Chicago police department from the streets until such a time that they are retrained in military style combat techniques -- this is a combat zone. Until then, the Illinois National Guard needs to take control of the situation in Chicago.

A co-worker had scores of gunshots outside her apartment the other night at 2 am. She said it sounded like a gun battle between two groups. She called the CPD. It was 42 minutes before they drove through the 'hood. Didn't even stop. This has to go soon. The violence is beginning to spread outside of the traditional gang neighborhoods. Their was a murder in my neighborhood a few months ago -- the third richest neighborhood in Chicago. The governor lives less than a quarter mile from the murder which happened for no apparent reason in the middle of the day.

Chicago needs the National Guard. The situation has diminished to the point when normal police units can't handle it. There are a number of cops on CPD suffering from PTSD because they have not been trained nor are they equipped to deal with hand-to-hand military urban assault situations. Furthermore, then don't have the support to do so.
 

cooter

cantankerous old coot
thing is chicongo, the system is broken, and there is no interest in fixing it,

short of telling the normal people arm up, and its a free for all for the next yr, gang bangers shoot at you, you drop them,

gang banger, threatens you, you drop them,

and it goes on, till the gangs die off,

in another way, just fence the whole shithole in, turn off the water and power, come back in a yr, might be simpler solution
 

niceguy

Veteran Member
How BLM gets *more* blacks killed

I hear ya on rank n file complaints, they make it vocal on SCC blog too, lol. Don't be surprised if Garry lurks here tho. Savoir Faire is *everywhere*.

The SCC blog is golden on this.

Somebody, possibly Rahm Emmanual, coined the phrase of cops going fetal. Well what did the lefties expect?

The SCC blog now resounds with comments where the rank and file are advising each other to "stay fetal".

A sample:

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2016/10/what-hath-they-wrought.html

The logical extreme of a biased media narrative, political support for a racist terror organization, a "community" that has been catered to for any outrageous behavior and the complete lack of leadership throughout the upper echoelon of the Department:

Mayor Rahm Emanuel has been trying desperately to coax Chicago Police officers out of their defensive crouch.

Their reluctance is believed to have contributed, in part, to a 50 percent surge in homicides and shootings.


But coaxing is not working, according a story Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson told at Thursday’s annual police and fire awards ceremony in the City Council chambers.

Johnson talked about something that happened Wednesday after officers responded to what he called a “simple traffic accident” that turned ugly.

“A subject who was under the influence of PCP attacked a female officer. Viciously pounded her head into the street as her partner was trying to get him off of her. This attack went on for several minutes,” Johnson told the assembled dignitaries.

As I was at the hospital last night visiting with her, she looked at me and said she thought she was gonna die. And she knew that she should shoot this guy. But, she chose not to because she didn’t want her family or the department to have to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news.”​

There you have it - an officer knowing she could legally use deadly force, but consciously choosing great bodily harm - or death - to herself over having to go through the manufactured outrage of a criminal community out or control. And this is a 17-year veteran.

What kind of service does the "community" think it's going to get when this is the first thought going through an officer's head?

We'll tell you exactly what they'll get - nothing. It's simpler to disengage and clean up the aftermath of a "community" with zero impulse control, zero pride, zero sense of personal responsibility. A "community" that has accounted for 80% of the shootings and homicides this year and nearly 85% over the past decade.

{some emphasis added}

And from the comments:

EVERY TOUR OF DUTY IN EVERY UNIT, EVERY OFFICER MUST DECIDE IF HE/SHE IS WILLING TO DIE FOR THIS SHITHOLE CITY AND HER CORRUPT POLITICIANS. ARE YOU WILLING TO BE PERMANENTLY INJURED SO RAHM CAN STRUT AROUND SURROUNDED BY BODYGUARDS, TO PROTECT THE LITTLE TOUGH GUY FROM WILMETTE? I am sure somebody is going to post some overused cliche about being judged by twelve or carried by six; that is bullshit and nonsense. This is real world not cliches, and it is now a matter of life and death. The City will gladly pay millions of dollars for some pile of shit in a wrongful death settlement. The families of cops killed in the line of duty get a lot less. It is so sad, that it has come to this; Who will Protect those are supposed to Protect us? Stay Fetal, Absolutely Ignore Rahm's Northshore Values. It is only going to get worse, far worse. Baby"G"
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
However, Jens Ludwig, a professor of social service administration, law and public policy at the University of Chicago, said that the study could not conclude whether there were actually more guns on Chicago's streets this year compared with past years.

"There's no way to know if more guns are flooding into Chicago because there's no definitive measure of the numbers of guns in Chicago," said Ludwig, one of the authors of the study.

If there are more guns "flooding" into Chicago from the mysterious areas that apparently do not have the enlightened and Progressive anti-gun laws of Chi-Town, why are these other areas not consumed by violence, murder and general chaos, aka, similar to ChiCongo?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Jeff B.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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You know, the problem is actually MUCH worse than those numbers show! When people say that the "numbers" were higher in the 70's and 80's, they are forgetting one very important fact- Shitcago hospitals are very, VERY good at treating gunshot trauma. In fact, they are so good, we send our Army medics there for "on the job" training!!

Even 25 years ago, MANY more would have died, We'd have body counts closer to 2000 a year (or maybe more) without the advanced (and VERY expensive- pretty much 100% TAXPAYER funded) trauma care that has been developed since.

I think we need new rules. If you get shot in a fair exchange of gunfire between "gang members"... no one goes to the hospital. We'll come by in a few hours to take out the trash. If the victim is a child under 12, or someone who was peacefully existing in their own home, we treat them.

Save a few million bucks a year, and most of those on the "watch list" will have assumed room temperature within a year or so...

Summerthyme
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
I think we need new rules. If you get shot in a fair exchange of gunfire between "gang members"... no one goes to the hospital. We'll come by in a few hours to take out the trash. If the victim is a child under 12, or someone who was peacefully existing in their own home, we treat them.
Summerthyme

Actually, more times than not, this is about how it works already.
 

vestige

Deceased
Flood the 'hood with ultra-pure melons and the problem will self correct.

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The humor intended in your post is appreciated but the truth is also very evident in the pic.

"How did this happen? Why is this continuing to happen?"

For months, police, politicians and residents have asked the same questions.

"The fact that many other American cities saw homicides increase in 2015 and 2016 suggests that part of what Chicago experienced this past year may not be unique to our city," according to the study.

In 2016, about 91 percent of Chicago's homicides were committed with a firearm, up from 88 percent last year, the study showed. When you compare that with 1998, the last time Chicago recorded over 700 homicides, about 76 percent of those victims were killed with guns, official Police Department statistics show.

'Ever.ybody' has a gun

This "wall" has been "painted" many times with every "paint" that can be conceived ranging from gun paint to gang paint to lack of jobs paint etc. but eventually the "black" always bleeds through whatever paint is applied.... no matter how many coats of "paint" are applied.

Lately "police paint" had been a popular choice by Chicago and many other infested hell holes but the black still bleeds through.

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Any questions may be referred to Bro. Nowski who will readily answer them in great detail.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The only logical solution I can see is to wall the city off, ala "Escape From New York", and let the animals sort it out amongst themselves.

Cops will not patrol but only respond to 911 calls and I don't blame them. Does a zookeeper walk among the lions and tigers patrolling? They may go into the cage but only when necessary.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
The only logical solution I can see is to wall the city off, ala "Escape From New York", and let the animals sort it out amongst themselves.

Cops will not patrol but only respond to 911 calls and I don't blame them. Does a zookeeper walk among the lions and tigers patrolling? They may go into the cage but only when necessary.

The idea of simply building a wall and letting them all kill each other is not realistic.

Chicago is not a zoo. When we consider it one, we cannot come to a reasonable resolution. Chicago is a military combat zone -- a "hot zone." In order to solve the problem, we need to remove civil police and replace them with armed soldiers who can engage in military combat. A war zone demands soldiers. That is one of the purposes of the National Guard. They should be employed to restore order -- including implementing and maintaining "no go zones," curfews, and other wartime procedures. I'm here. I know what we are living with.

Go ride the red line past the Chinatown exit going south. You will not believe that goes on inside that train. Sex, selling/buying drugs, exposed guns, hold-ups, you Name it. And, every train car has at least two cameras in it.
 

vestige

Deceased
#34:

I'm here. I know what we are living with.

God help you.

I went to school there in the early 70s at NW University and stayed at a new (then) Holiday Inn on Lakeshore Drive.

Desiring to "see the big city" I and several others were advised to travel in groups of not less than six. (males... no females were in our group)

I will never willingly return.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I regularly turn down contracting gigs in Chicongo. One time I just replied to the headhunter, "$750 per hour." Never heard from them again. :D
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
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Capital punishment laws need to change....
Have a three judge panel at the back of every capital punishment trial....
If the perp and any one else involved are found guilty of murder....
The three judge panel decides if there is anything that can be appealed....
If not, take them out and hang them on the courthouse lawn....
It would not take many hangings to calm things down....

For convicted violent crime that does not result in death....
Put them in a work farm....
If they do not work, they do not eat....
If they try to escape and are caught in the no man's land between the fences, shoot them and let them lay....
They know the rules and let them suffer the consequences for breaking the rules....
Treat animals like animals until they prove otherwise....

Will take putting constitutional judges on the Supreme Court....

It can happen....

Depends on President Trump - 0-1-20-2017....

Texican....
 
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