ALERT FDA recommends pause of Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine after blood clot cases

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THIS is why they want it stopped. It has nothing to do with blood clots or other things. It can't deliver the genetic garbage that the other two do. When it comes to boosters...they have something up their sleeves planned.
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My God! read a damn biology book. All covid vaccines, including the freaking J&J vaccine use genetically modified either DNA or mRNA.
They either use mRNA directly or modified DNA in a virus to make the mRNA once it gets in your cells.
In the body, all protein structures are made by RNA, So unless you think your body is going to start churning out Covid protein spikes all by its lonesome, it needs a specially modified RNA molecule to do that.

It's not genetic garbage. It's science :prfl:
 
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Cacheman said:
April 20th will mark 400 days of 2 weeks to slow the spread.
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Just yesterday, Fauci hinted that there "may" be boosters coming in the next 6-18 months.

Translation: Will be boosters in the next 6-18 months. This was an easy one to predict.
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HHS Vaccine Passports to Microchips.

DNC/DS/MSM/BT working on infrastructure to keep their brave new democracy safe...

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TerryK said:
I suggest you do some more learning and reading and not from some pseudo-science like Natural News or Epoch times.
J&J uses a adenovirus whose DNA has been modified. The virus goes into the cell and injects it's altered DNA into your cell nucleus.
You know the same damn nucleus that contains the rest of your DNA. Once in the nucleus this genetically modified DNA then produces,, wait for it...;..;;..... a mRNA strand. Surprise, surprise, surprise!!!
The mRNA strand then goes out into the cell cytoplasm where it produces Covid spike proteins, exactly how the directly injected mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) do.. Only the Pfizer and Moderna vax don't use genetically modified DNA and don't ever enter your cell nucleus where your DNA resides.
The mRNA vaccines use mRNA directly and don't go through the convoluted process of injecting DNA which then makes RNA which then makes the covid spikes. mRNA vax are a one step process, where the J&J is a multistep process.
Both use genetically modified DNA or mRNA. In the end mRNA is what makes the spikes.
This knowledge is easily available online from University sources.

Finally any time you inject anything into your body there is a chance of a serious reaction. People with overactive immune systems seem to be more susceptible to these type of reactions.
Thats why J&J is more suited to older people. That recommendation will probably be coming out shortly.

Finally if you are subject to clotting you need to be careful with any of the vaccines.
Same if you have a history of severe allergic reactions to things.
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Terry, VCU (Virginia Commonwealth University) is a university source. Everything I stated is from their site.

Please take a look at the link I provided in the post of mine you responded to.
 
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Hfcomms said:
A heck of a lot more than 6 cases. I have an employee whose dad in Florida died 72 hours after his second shot when he threw a massive blood clot that killed him in under a minute. There was no autopsy as he was elderly and his death never made it into the vaccine adverse events database. You can probably take these six deaths and multiply it by thousands.
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So no autopsy but they knew it was a massive clot, caused by the vaccine, that killed him.
Sounds like a good scientifically derived conclusion to me :shk:

Tell me, what kind of clot? Where did it occur? The clots reported with the J&J vaccine and also one other used in the UK happen in very specialized and rare places. If it was a suspected reaction to a vaccine a simple partial autopsy could have confirmed it.
But because he was elderly they decided not to find the cause?
Glad I don't live in Michigan where they just throw the elderly dead in the grave without confirming what killed them.
 
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This sure looks like an organized HIT JOB on J&J - 3 major, unrelated, stories in the last few weeks painting J&J in a very negative light - production issues at their US operation, 18 vax reactions in N. Colorado and now a total of SIX clots out of 7 Million injections. Yet the media blocks 99% of the stories of Pfizer and Moderna reactions / issues.

I would never think that Moderna and Pfizer (and NIH) are trying to take out a competitor that is more popular - no they would never do that!
 
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Terry, VCU (Virginia Commonwealth University) is a university source. Everything I stated is from their site.

Please take a look at the link I provided in the post of mine you responded to.
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Sorry for the delay, I had to take my wife to Publix.
Anyway I went to the website you linked. It is a very basic explanation of the difference between J&J and Pfizer/Moderna.
It says J&J is like a regular vaccine. IT IS NOT
It doesn't go into any detail about how the J&J actually works.
Many J&J PIO packets are written on a very basic level and don't mention DNA and mRNA because most people hear those letters and they freak out .
Here is a good video that explains the J&J vaccine in some detail.
It's from ARUP Labs and narrated by a clinical pathologist. The same ARUP labs also has a youtube video on exactly how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work.

This is on a high school level with some things that would be covered in a basic nursing college level biology.
It explains how the DNA in the adenovirus is completely modified, and how once the virus is injected into the body and infects cells, this modified DNA then makes mRNA that makes the Covid protein spikes.
The main difference between J&J and the other vaccines is that J&J injects a virus that has had it's DNA modified.
This modified DNA then makes mRNA as shown in the video. The mRNA then works exactly like the directly injected mRNA in the Pfizer vaccine and makes protein spikes.
Neither of these videos are pro or anti vax. Neither video pushes one vaccine over the other. They just explain in some detail how each works and what is in each vaccine.
Its and excellent video.

12 minutes and you will fully understand how J&J works.

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HERE IS another video from ARUP LABS that explains how PFIZER AND MODERNA WORK
A little over 12 minutes and you will completely understand how Pfizer and Moderna work.
The average American is completely illiterate when it comes to DNA and mRNA, even those college graduates whose degree is not in a biological science. Please, spend a few minutes and make yourself smarter than the average American college graduate. ;)
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_MzVVzvUQE&ab_channel=ARUPLaboratories
 
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IMHO, the bottom line is that while none of the vaxes will prevent the spread of the virus, all of them have a much greater probability of reducing your symptoms rather than killing you. The longer term effects are not known on any of them.
 
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IMHO, the bottom line is that while none of the vaxes will prevent the spread of the virus, all of them have a much greater probability of reducing your symptoms rather than killing you. The longer term effects are not known on any of them.
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Mostly true, but the vaccines do greatly reduce the chance of you being infected with covid. Not perfect, but greatly reduced/
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and 99% less likely to require hospitalization or become seriously ill.

Some time ago, people heard that even if you do get infected you won't die or be hospitalized. They turned that around in their minds and started saying the vaccine would not protect you from getting Covid.
For Pfizer
90% less likely to even get infected than those with no vax
99% less likely to be hospitalized and even less chance of dying.
 
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It's kind of funny, but when it comes to Covid and vaccines, many people here have the same level of knowledge and wrong ideas as the main stream media and reporters in general have about guns and gun violence. :prfl:
 
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DazedandConfused said:
No sure which Vax was taken at the moment but trying to find out. Friend of my GF daughter volunteered their kids for one of the trials for kids . Their little girl received the second shot yesterday and died from blood clots to the lungs and brain just a short time ago today.
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OMG! How awful!
 
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TerryK said:
It's kind of funny, but when it comes to Covid and vaccines, many people here have the same level of knowledge and wrong ideas as the main stream media and reporters in general have about guns and gun violence. :prfl:
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Since I don't have a PhD in biochemistry - I want to be sure that I have the correct information about the vaccines. So, I would appreciate your input, TerryK. My understanding is that none of the vaccines have been proven enough to know exactly what the mRNA genetic transcribing is going to do to our bodies. That there are "cures" for COVID19 that have not been approved because the powers that be wanted to create a vaccine. I understand that more than 97% of people who get COVID19 are fine. And getting everyone vaccinated is not going to give us herd immunity. So - how close am I to the truth?
 
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Johnson & Johnson Begins Two-Dose Phase 3 Trial Of COVID-19 Vaccine (msn.com)

Johnson & Johnson Begins Two-Dose Phase 3 Trial Of COVID-19 Vaccine
Mohit Manghnani 11/16/2020
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© Provided by BenzingaJohnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ) has started the two-dose Phase 3 trial of its experimental COVID-19 vaccine, dubbed "ENSEMBLE 2," the pharmaceutical company announcedSunday.

What Happened: Johnson & Johnson aims to administer its experimental COVID-19 vaccine to 30,000 volunteers globally as part of the trial, through its subsidiary Janssen.

The company said the two-dose late-stage trial will run in parallel to "ENSEMBLE," the single-dose regimen trial it had announced in September. Johnson & Johnson said it continues to enroll volunteers in the first study and is on track to meet its target of 60,000 participants worldwide.

Reuters reported earlier in the day that the New Jersey-based pharmaceutical giant is enrolling 6,000 volunteers at 17 sites in the United Kingdom for the two-dose Phase 3 trial.
Volunteers will be given the first dose of the experimental vaccine called Ad26COV2, or a placebo, followed by the second dose or the placebo 57 days later, as per the newswire. Ad26COV2 uses an adenovirus vector to transport the immunizing protein into the body.

Why It Matters: The Phase 3 trial is the final step before drugmakers approach the regulators for approval.
Positive results from the single-shot trial will simplify the distribution of millions of doses compared to leading rivals requiring two doses. The double-dose trial's efficacy will be affected if the participant fails to return to get the second shot.
It is the third experimental COVID-19 vaccine to enter Phase 3 trials in the U.K., followed by Novavax, Inc (NASDAQ: NVAX), and AstraZeneca plc (NASDAQ: AZN).
"All the vaccines that are being [trialed] work by generating immune responses to the same part of the coronavirus as the RNA vaccine that has announced some interim early results," Saul Faust, J&J's chief investigator said on the U.K. trial, as per the Financial Times.
Faust also said that it is important to pursue trials of many different vaccines from many different manufacturers to ensure global supply.
The two-dose trial will last for 12 months and complete the recruitment of participants by March 2021.
Price Action: J&J shares closed 1.08% higher at $149.90 on Friday.
© 2020 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.
 
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TerryK said:
My God! read a damn biology book. All covid vaccines, including the freaking J&J vaccine use genetically modified either DNA or mRNA.
They either use mRNA directly or modified DNA in a virus to make the mRNA once it gets in your cells.
In the body, all protein structures are made by RNA, So unless you think your body is going to start churning out Covid protein spikes all by its lonesome, it needs a specially modified RNA molecule to do that.

It's not genetic garbage. It's science :prfl:
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LOL! Go read a biology book. I guess I read plenty over my time. I probably forgot more than most people know about biology. I live and breath it in my job...everything from master seeds to cell lines to DNA. I work on a research vaccine team. There's more to it than your snippets depict. Go lookup the difference between single strands and double strands.
 
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Johnson & Johnson Begins Two-Dose Phase 3 Trial Of COVID-19 Vaccine (msn.com)

Johnson & Johnson Begins Two-Dose Phase 3 Trial Of COVID-19 Vaccine
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© Provided by BenzingaJohnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ) has started the two-dose Phase 3 trial of its experimental COVID-19 vaccine, dubbed "ENSEMBLE 2," the pharmaceutical company announcedSunday.

What Happened: Johnson & Johnson aims to administer its experimental COVID-19 vaccine to 30,000 volunteers globally as part of the trial, through its subsidiary Janssen.

The company said the two-dose late-stage trial will run in parallel to "ENSEMBLE," the single-dose regimen trial it had announced in September. Johnson & Johnson said it continues to enroll volunteers in the first study and is on track to meet its target of 60,000 participants worldwide.

Reuters reported earlier in the day that the New Jersey-based pharmaceutical giant is enrolling 6,000 volunteers at 17 sites in the United Kingdom for the two-dose Phase 3 trial.
Volunteers will be given the first dose of the experimental vaccine called Ad26COV2, or a placebo, followed by the second dose or the placebo 57 days later, as per the newswire. Ad26COV2 uses an adenovirus vector to transport the immunizing protein into the body.

Why It Matters: The Phase 3 trial is the final step before drugmakers approach the regulators for approval.
Positive results from the single-shot trial will simplify the distribution of millions of doses compared to leading rivals requiring two doses. The double-dose trial's efficacy will be affected if the participant fails to return to get the second shot.
It is the third experimental COVID-19 vaccine to enter Phase 3 trials in the U.K., followed by Novavax, Inc (NASDAQ: NVAX), and AstraZeneca plc (NASDAQ: AZN).
"All the vaccines that are being [trialed] work by generating immune responses to the same part of the coronavirus as the RNA vaccine that has announced some interim early results," Saul Faust, J&J's chief investigator said on the U.K. trial, as per the Financial Times.
Faust also said that it is important to pursue trials of many different vaccines from many different manufacturers to ensure global supply.
The two-dose trial will last for 12 months and complete the recruitment of participants by March 2021.
Price Action: J&J shares closed 1.08% higher at $149.90 on Friday.
© 2020 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.
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They want the booster money in a bad way. Congress wants the boosters so the pharms can pay them off with the tax money they get from us. Only two entities get rich here...pharms and Satan;s children(aka Congress).
 
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TKO said:
LOL! Go read a biology book. I guess I read plenty over my time. I probably forgot more than most people know about biology. I live and breath it in my job...everything from master seeds to cell lines to DNA. I work on a research vaccine team. There's more to it than your snippets depict. Go lookup the difference between single strands and double strands.
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mRNA is single strand, DNA is double strand. That's an example of what your know?!?!?!?!
 
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TerryK said:
mRNA is single strand, DNA is double strand. That's an example of what your know?!?!?!?!
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I know enough to know that DNA is not always double stranded. It may benefit you take a biology class at the local community college.
 
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Behind the scenes of the Johnson & Johnson two-dose COVID-19 vaccine trial in south Charlotte (wbtv.com)

Behind the scenes of the Johnson & Johnson two-dose COVID-19 vaccine trial in south Charlotte


Behind the scenes of the Johnson & Johnson two-dose COVID-19 vaccine trial in south Charlotte
By Caroline Hicks | February 15, 2021 at 5:50 PM EST - Updated February 15 at 6:28 PM

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WBTV) - Clinical trials for the COVID-19 vaccine are continuing across the country and here in North Carolina.

The one-shot Johnson and Johnson vaccine could get FDA approval soon, but the company is still enrolling tens of thousands of patients across the country in another trial.
The American Health Research Network in south Charlotte is currently enrolling anyone age 60 and older for the Johnson and Johnson Ensemble 2 trial, which involves two shots.

Arthur Oudmayer got his first shot about a week ago. He does not know whether he got the placebo or the real deal.

“I felt fine,” Oudmayer told WBTV. “No site pain. A little bit of fatigue and slight headache in the evening. Same the next day with a slight temperature.”

In between appointments, he’s tracking symptoms on an app.
Dr. Selwyn Spangenthal is overseeing the trial.

He says it’s the same vaccine through Johnson and Johnson that could get FDA approval soon, except this one has two doses.

“To see whether you have better efficacy and whether the antibodies would last longer,” Dr. Spangenthal said.

So far, several hundred patients are taking part in the trial and they hope to get more signed up in the next couple of weeks.
“Anyone who is not able to get a vaccine, to me it’s a no brainer, because they have a 50 percent chance of getting the vaccine,” he said.

For Dr. Spangenthal, the work is personal.

“Our son-in-law in New York developed COVID-19 in March of 2020 and he was in hospital for 10 months,” he said. “He was initially severely ill on a ventilator, on an echmo machine, kept sedated, and unfortunately passed away 3 weeks ago.”

He dedicates his time to help others, but he does not want to take all of the credit.

“The coordinators at work here, the people who are doing this type of work, they are on the front lines of putting themselves at risk,” he said. “These are real heroes.”

They are heroes who could not do it without volunteers.

“We can’t afford to be thinking about ourselves,” Oudmayer said. “It’s a pandemic. It’s the whole world really.”

This study is unique because there are already vaccine options on the market. The goal is vaccination, so participants can be unblinded at any time.

If someone got the placebo but is eligible for the vaccine, they can go get it.

Patients can expect the first appointment for the first vaccine dose to last about an hour and a half. 29 days later, patients come back for a check up. 57 days later patients get the second shot.

For more information call 704-926-8030.
 
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Interesting segment on Tucker Carlson tonight about the J&J vaccine.

He had a scientist/doctor on who said that it is possible that these clots are being formed in people who still have high antibody levels in their blood that they acquired via natural covid infection. That is apparently a natural immune response. The only way to avoid this? Check antibody titers.

Why are they not being done? Costs and tptb want this vaccine stuff done asap. Science and the public health and safety be damned! TYPICAL

The scientist/doctor also stated that the other vaccines could also be having similar problems with antibody reactions...not just the J&J. You don't know, if you don't test for antibody levels.

I just thought it was very timely and interesting...wanted to share with the class :apc:

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Dennis Olson said:
That’s because most of us don’t have PhD’s in biochemistry.
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I'm pretty sure no one has a PhD in engineering pertaining to weapons design either, but many here have made it their business to learn as much as possible about firearms.
It's a matter of survival and in this area most of us have done well.

Your likelihood of dying from a bullet is very small, almost negligible for most of us old farts. Yet we are constantly expanding our knowledge of firearms..
The likelihood of dying of some disease or other biological issue is almost 100%, yet most of us and the general public have little knowledge of that which is almost certainly going to eventually kill us.
Learning about these things, especially in this quickening age of scientific knowledge is a matter of survival.
Most people here won't recognize the things in biology and medicine that will happen in the next 10 years.

As a side note the main stream media has done an even worse job providing info and covering Covid than they do covering gun issues. :lol:
 
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I know enough to know that DNA is not always double stranded. It may benefit you take a biology class at the local community college.
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Most DNA is double strands especially in humans. Single strands are sometimes found in virus because a virus is a much simpler organism than even a bacterium. At first people debated whether a virus was even alive.
Anyway the DNA in the adenovirus vaccine is double stranded. It partially unwinds once in your infected cell's nucleus in order to build a mRNA molecule which is single stranded. The single stranded mRNA molecule goes out into your cells cytoplasm where it joins with a Ribosome and starts to use it's genetic code to build a protein spike out of the available amino acids in your cell.
I would have thought you would have known that the DNA in the adenovirus vaccine was double stranded as is most DNA. Double strand DNA is much more resilient and resistant to damage than single strand mRNA thats why Pfizer vaccine has to be kept ultra cold versus the J&J adenovirus vaccine which has double strand of DNA.

Another difference between DNA and RNA is the bases each contains.
Remember GCAT? Thats DNA nucleotides . Remember the movie Jurassic Park? The screen was filled with GCAT
Guanine, Cytosine, Adenine and Thiamine. RNA has one different base Uracil instead of thiamine. Thats the chemical difference between DNA and RNA. Also DNA is usually double stranded while mRNA is single stranded.
That's a college biology question as well as how Codons work to code for the specific amino acids in building a protein.
Also the theory of protein folding and why it happens and how it helps proteins accomplish their functions.


So you see I've taken biology classes.
My main degree is in physics, but I've also completed all the premed requisites after I retired from the Navy, but in the end I was too old to go to medical school.
Also since I am retired I can now sit in any unfilled class at my local state university here in Florida.
Anyone over 60 can attend (although not for credit) any open class that is not filled for free. You buy your own book and pay lab fees. You do everything except get 4 credits. :lol:
I generally do no more than one class at a time just for fun. I'm 70 now, so I've been doing this for a while.
I'm not here to have a pissing contest with you but when you use terms to describe vaccines as "genetic garbage", those are not terms an educated person uses.
 
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TerryK, I'm curious what are your credentials?
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read my post above #75 that pretty much explains everything.
I got a degree in Business while in the Navy, Also completed most of the coursework for a degree in Physics.
Completed that degree shortly after I retired and was working as a contract electronics instructor for the NAVY.
Also while working as an Electronics instructor I completed both Biology courses with labs, both Human Anatomy and Physiology with labs, Microbiology with lab, Nutrition, Developmental Psychology, and both Chemistry with labs and some others.
When the Navy closed the base I could have relocated to Great Lakes, but I stayed in Florida and became a programmer, then a database administrator and finally the IT department director at the Department of Health.
I retired as soon as I was eligible for SS and I now get SS, Navy pension, Florida pension and pretty much do what ever I like. I'm over 70 now with no debt for anything and free healtcare compliments of Medicare backed up by Tricare for Life. I find taking college courses for free when you don't have to worry about GPA is actually fun.

The point of all my posts is not to get in pissing contests. You don't need a bunch of college courses to understand these covid vaccines. Hell Youtube videos like the ones I posted will explain more about how the vaccines work than all the misinformation put out by sites like EpochTimes or Natural News. I post this stuff so at least a few people will take it and check out the info and follow it back and research it further so they will have better more informed information when it comes to making decisions that will affect their lives and the lives of their family. I fully realize that quite a few are so far down the rabbit hole that they will ignore anything that doesn't feed their confirmation bias, but many here still have an open and logical mind.
.The conspiracy sites and new age sites that some people get their science info from are just mostly wrong. Believe in any conspiracy you want but please don't rely on them for your science info. If you understand the science behind the vaccines you will also find that while some of the claims may be possible, many made in the both the main stream and alternate media are just not plausible.


There is no excuse for not learning about this crap because it will be more and more a part of everyone's future.
 
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TerryK said:
I'm not here to have a pissing contest with you but when you use terms to describe vaccines as "genetic garbage", those are not terms an educated person uses.
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Take a deep breath, TerryK. Take a deep breath and calm down a bit. I did not say vaccines were genetic garbage. I said the J&J doesn't deliver the genetic garbage the other two does. Maybe cell biology folks aren't educated. I don't know.
 
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The Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine consists of a replication-incompetent recombinant adenovirus type 26 (Ad26) vector expressing the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike (S) protein in a stabilized conformation.[28][4]

The stabilized version of the spike protein – that includes two mutations in which the regular amino acids are replaced with prolines – was developed by researchers at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases' Vaccine Research Center and the University of Texas at Austin.[29][30][31] The vaccine also contains the following inactive ingredients: citric acid monohydrate, trisodium citrate dihydrate, ethanol (alcohol), 2-hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin (HBCD) (hydroxypropyl betadex), polysorbate 80, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, and hydrochloric acid.[28][1]
 
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