BRKG F-35 Stealth Fighter Goes Missing Near North Charleston After Pilot Ejects - Debris Found 9-18-23

jward

passin' thru
his discussion is the first to raise what I find the most interesting/alarming element-question: the suggestion this could be laying the foundation for a false flag to get us moving along toward overt ww3 and to address the horror of the biden approval #s....



Will Schryver
@imetatronink


‼️ So apparently a US pilot, for reasons that remain unclear, ejected from a still-flying Marine Corps F-35B somewhere over South Carolina, but a frantic search cannot locate the abandoned jet. And now the USMC commandant has ordered a two-day "stand-down" for "all aviation units" around the world!!!

Note well, the order is not for "all F-35 units", but for "all aviation units".

To me, that must be interpreted as everything that flies — attack aircraft, tankers, helicopters, etc.

WHY?

This makes absolutely no sense at all — and STRONGLY suggests that they actually DO KNOW what happened to that F-35B ... and it must be DAMN SERIOUS — and somehow applicable to ALL AIRCRAFT for them to have ordered a total stand-down of "all aviation units".

Well ... I cannot for the life of me imagine what would warrant such an extreme action on the part of the US military. But it simply must be something that has severely spooked them.

Developing ...

(Edit: to be clear, I absolutely do NOT believe this jet was commandeered and landed safely somewhere. To me, that is a silly theory.)


Will Schryver
@imetatronink
All I've seen so far is that they claim to have found "some debris", but are still searching for where the plane wreckage is.

Bear in mind, I am sure this plane crashed somewhere. Notions that it was commandeered and flown to and landed in Cuba or anywhere else are just plain silly.

A crashed F-35 is hardly anything new. What is unusual is that an order was issued to ground "all aviation units" around the world.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Bear in mind, I am sure this plane crashed somewhere. Notions that it was commandeered and flown to and landed in Cuba or anywhere else are just plain silly.
It's silly until it happens for the first time. I well recall how dumbstruck we were the first time a plane was hijacked. Why would anyone hijack a plane? What could you DO with it? But there it was, hijacked anyway.

Being commandeered is certainly within the range of technical possibility. We now know that ejecting is software-controllable, as I and others hypothesized many pages back. And we certainly don't know what the heck happened. So at this point everything is still up for grabs.

For whoever's keeping score, I wasn't suggesting Cuba. :)
 

jward

passin' thru
yup, your concerns have merit. I imagine, though I cannot speak for the author, that he was mocking the usual hair-on-fire- types who get spun up soley on their feelz.

I have been too busy to track this story, but off hand my top concerns include the possibility of hijacking. Even more worrysome is the idea they could be laying ground work for the false flag to move their foreign and domestic concerns fwd

other possibilities that occur to me are Our running new tech and it going sideways and "simple" tech glitch thanks to the mercury retrograde
It's silly until it happens for the first time. I well recall how dumbstruck we were the first time a plane was hijacked. Why would anyone hijack a plane? What could you DO with it? But there it was, hijacked anyway.

Being commandeered is certainly within the range of technical possibility. We now know that ejecting is software-controllable, as I and others hypothesized many pages back. And we certainly don't know what the heck happened. So at this point everything is still up for grabs.

For whoever's keeping score, I wasn't suggesting Cuba. :)
 

stormie

Veteran Member
A crashed F-35 is hardly anything new. What is unusual is that an order was issued to ground "all aviation units" around the world.
THIS!!! They are setting us up! Think outside the box that they are trying to corral us into. Are our defenses being left wide open on purpose? I don't care how inept our military appears to be, it would never announce to the whole world our air defense is grounded.

edited to add the last couple of sentences.
 
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Hurricanehic

Veteran Member


Green Hills Software produces the Integrity 178B Operating System that powers the F-35, F-22, F-16, and B-2. It also powers the Airbus A380. It was also quite possibly leaked. Now you understand why the entire USMC air fleet has been grounded.

Fun fact: the CEO of Green Hills Software is none other than infamous Elon Musk hater Dan O'Dowd.

quote…
I just wanna state for the record I have been warning the U.S. Govt about a potential leak of the Integrity 178B Operating System through south america for literally over a year and a half now…

Guess what OS powers the F-35…. Wait for it… wait for it…

Integrity 178B.

I told you so @NSACyber
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Footage of the #F35Missing jet's debris field was made public after the aircraft was discovered in a field about 80 miles separated the crash site from Joint Base Charleston in South Carolina.

As per the official manual…
“The F-35 has the most advanced sensor suite of any fighter in history, including the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, Distributed Aperture System (DAS), Electro Optical Targeting System (EOTS) and advanced electronic warfare capabilities to locate/track enemy forces, jam radars and disrupt attacks.”

We have already heard the vulnerability of F-35 hacking in 2019. So what exactly happened is still question.
RT 45secs
View: https://twitter.com/amitavinami/status/1704136102733345226
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Bad Luck: Military Announces Lost F-35 Was Carrying Epstein Client List

WASHINGTON, D.C. — In a blow to the transparency of information and what could have been a treasure trove of evidence against a global sex trafficking ring, the Pentagon has announced the lost F-35 fighter jet was apparently carrying the only known copy of Jeffrey Epstein's client list.

"This is truly unfortunate," said Department of Defense spokesman John Kirby. "The client list that once belonged to the late Mr. Epstein was being transported to an undisclosed location for analysis to prepare to use it as evidence to deliver justice for Epstein's victims. Tragically, with the plane going missing, it is unlikely we will ever see the list again. Such a peculiar happenstance, really."

Media outlets and the public at large have been calling for the release of Eptsein's client list for years but will now be left to speculate as to its contents. "Such an awful coincidence," said conspiracy theorist Ryan Felix. "It just so happens that the very plane that is carrying the client list disappears? Yeah, sure. Right. Funny how that happens, huh?"

At publishing time, reports had begun to circulate that, in addition to the Epstein client list, the missing F-35 jet just so happened to also be carrying the Nashville shooter's manifesto, Barack Obama's original birth certificate, conclusive proof of the identity of the Jan 6 pipe bomber, and all known documentation and evidence of Joe and Hunter Biden's dealings with the Ukrainian and Chinese governments.
View: https://twitter.com/darreljorstad/status/1704141669522637046
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
So... total incineration of the F-35?

Incredible.
I haven't seen any credible close-up images. As a rule of thumb, the more trees are damaged, the more large pieces of the plane will be left. This video shows a lot of trees down over some distance. That means whatever hit them came at a low angle and fast. That means the wings should be separated, and the tail surfaces should have survived.

We'll have to wait a bit.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Shirley they can shoot down an F 35. They shot down an F17. Just because it can fly at 35,000 ft, doesn't mean it was. Just saying.

But saw an article this AM where debris has been located some 80 miles north of where the pilot ejected. Humm saw it earlier, but can't find it now.

But here is one that may be interesting: I see someone has made a post so this may be double, double toil and trouble.

New Footage Reveals Wreckage Of F-35 Jet Amidst Speculation Of Potential 'Cyberattack'​

New footage shows the wreckage of the missing F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter in Williamsburg County, South Carolina. The F-35's debris field is approximately 80 miles from Joint Base Charleston. The military has confirmed the stealth jet was on autopilot when the pilot ejected, but the reasons for the ejection remain unknown. As a result, aviation commanders have grounded Marine Corps aircraft on Tuesday.
JUST IN: Footage of the debris field of the F-35 jet has been released after it was located in a field in Williamsburg County, South Carolina.

The crash site was about 80 miles from Joint Base Charleston, South Carolina.

The F-35 fighter jet appeared to run through a group of… pic.twitter.com/mqOdRSpUOt
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) September 19, 2023
The Marine Corps has labeled this incident a "Class-A mishap." This began on Sunday afternoon when the pilot of the stealth jet ejected safely into a North Charleston neighborhood. Through Monday afternoon, the military asked the public for help to locate the $140 million jet.

As a result, the Marine Corps issued a two-day stand-down of all military aircraft on Monday.
"How in the hell do you lose an F-35?" South Carolina US Rep. Nancy Mace, R-Charleston, wrote on X. She added, "How is there not a tracking device and we're asking the public to what, find a jet and turn it in?"
Consider this from Daily Mail, citing Project On Government Oversight, a nonpartisan independent watchdog that investigates and exposes waste, corruption, and abuse of power, released a report in 2019 that showed "nearly every software-enabled weapon system tested between 2012 and 2017 can be hacked - including the F-35."
Despite years of patches and upgrades, the F-35's most combat-crucial computer systems continue to malfunction, including the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) maintenance and parts ordering network; and the data links that display, combine, and exchange target and threat information among fighters and intelligence sources.
As in previous years,
cybersecurity testing shows that many previously confirmed F-35 vulnerabilities have not been fixed, meaning that enemy hackers could potentially shut down the ALIS network, steal secret data from the network and onboard computers, and perhaps prevent the F-35 from flying or from accomplishing its missions.
And there's this...
Green Hills Software produces the Integrity 178B Operating System that powers the F-35, F-22, F-16, and B-2. It also powers the Airbus A380. It was also quite possibly leaked. Now you understand why the entire USMC air fleet has been grounded.

Fun fact: the CEO of Green Hills… https://t.co/jKSWaKYL4p pic.twitter.com/sFTx2fKEBB
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) September 19, 2023
Was the multi-trillion-dollar F-35 program, often criticized as America's most dysfunctional weapons program, compromised by a cyberattack?

 

vector7

Dot Collector

How did it take the Pentagon 28 HOURS to find missing F-35 that had crashed in a field 80 miles from base? Mystery surrounds loss of $80M stealth fighter - as unearthed study raised fears jet could be HACKED by enemy​

By Harriet Alexander and Stacy Liberatore Deputy Science And Technology Editor For Dailymail.Com

Published: 02:18 EDT, 19 September 2023 | Updated: 08:35 EDT, 19 September 2023

The Pentagon is facing urgent questions over how it lost an $80million aircraft that was finally found crashed in a field just 80 miles from its base following a frantic 28-hour search.

The Marine pilot of the F-35B Lightning II took off on Sunday from Joint Base Charleston, South Carolina - but an unexplained issue forced him to eject.

The plane was flying in tandem with another jet, which returned to base after the mishap rather than following the pilot-less aircraft.

The second F-35 pilot, who had also been on the training mission, landed without any problems, base spokesman Tech. Sgt. James Cason said.

The stealth jet's transponder, which usually helps locate the aircraft, was not working 'for some reason that we haven't yet determined,' said Jeremy Huggins, another spokesman at Joint Base Charleston.

It forced the base to issue a humiliating appeal for assistance in finding the jet - even launching a hotline for tips, which was mercilessly mocked online. 'So that's why we put out the public request for help,' said Huggins.

He said the aircraft's sophistication made it even more complicated to find.

'The aircraft is stealth, so it has different coatings and different designs that make it more difficult than a normal aircraft to detect,' Huggins said.

Meanwhile, it emerged on Monday night the Pentagon in 2019 was concerned the plane could be vulnerable to attack by hackers - which may have sparked panic during the 28-hour search mission.

Marine Corps Commandant Eric Smith issued a two-day stand-down for all aviation units both inside and outside of the United States, which was set to take place at some point this week.

No units will be allowed to fly until they have a two-day discussion about safety measures and procedures, according to an email seen by ABC News.

The plane was finally found on Monday afternoon in a county only 85 miles north of the base, with wreckage of the plane located in a well-tended field.

Aerial footage showed debris in a copse beside the field, where trees had been knocked over. The field had a large area of blackened scorched earth.

It is not known whether locals informed the military of the crash, which did not appear to have happened in a remote region.

Nancy Mace, a South Carolina representative, said on Monday she had been briefed on the search, but described the incident as extremely embarrassing.

She said there were urgent questions which needed answering as to how one of the world's most sophisticated fighter jets could vanish.

'And guess what: They didn't have any answers,' she told local news station WMBF.

'They don't know if the plane is in the air or under the water. They could not tell me the precise location of where the pilot ejected or where the pilot landed.

'And we're talking about an $80 million jet. How does it just disappear? And how does the Pentagon ask for the public's help in finding it?

'It's just a huge embarrassment.' Several hours later, it was confirmed the plane had been found - but questions remained.

'Personnel from Joint Base Charleston and @MCASBeaufortSC, in close coordination with local authorities, have located a debris field in Williamsburg County,' the base wrote on X.

'The debris was discovered two hours northeast of JB Charleston.

'Members of the community should avoid the area as the recovery team secures the debris field. We are transferring incident command to the USMC this evening, as they begin the recovery process.'

It now emerges that US defense officials raised concerns about safety issues concerning the F-35 as far back as 2019.

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A report from the US government's General Accountability Office (GAO) four years ago warned the $80 million aircraft's system 'provided a back door for hackers.'

The jet operates on Lockheed-Martin's Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS), which watchdogs said can be infiltrated by malware that spoofs the system to stealthily feed false information, taking perfectly serviceable aircraft out of service.

Meanwhile, a report by a Government watchdog warned that the F-35's weapons systems could be overtaken by 'relatively simple tools and techniques.'

Lockheed Martin was tight-lipped on Monday about the crash, but said in a statement: 'We are aware of the mishap involving an F-35B from Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort and are thankful the pilot ejected safely. We are supporting the government's investigation.'

The military has not shared details about the cause of the incident, but the 2019 report sheds light on the flaws plaguing the Department of Defenses' most expensive weapon system.

POGO, a watchdog, released a report in 2019 showing that nearly every software-enabled weapon system tested between 2012 and 2017 can be hacked - including the F-35.

The agency wrote: 'Despite years of patches and upgrades, the F-35's most combat-crucial computer systems continue to malfunction, including the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) maintenance and parts ordering network; and the data links that display, combine, and exchange target and threat information among fighters and intelligence sources.'

'As in previous years, cybersecurity testing shows that many previously confirmed F-35 vulnerabilities have not been fixed, meaning that enemy hackers could potentially shut down the ALIS network, steal secret data from the network and onboard computers, and perhaps prevent the F-35 from flying or from accomplishing its missions.'

A Director, Operational Test and Evaluation report from 2017 showed a 26 percent fully mission capable rate across the entire F-35 fleet.

POGO's Dan Grazier shared: 'The fully integrated nature of all F-35 systems makes cybersecurity more essential than for any other aircraft.'

In the report, he noted that the jet has low 'fully mission capable' rates, which means it is 'rarely ready for combat.'

The Marine Corps Air Station at Beaufort - where the pilot took off from on Sunday - is about 35 miles south west of Charleston.

It is home to several units of 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, including the Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501 which flies F-35B Lightning IIs.

About 4,700 military personnel serve at the 6,900 acre site which uses a large air-to-air combat area off the coast of South Carolina and Georgia, along with an air-to-ground combat and bombing range in Georgia's McIntosh County.

It was home to a heavily-decorated Marine Corps pilot who died last month when his combat jet crashed near a San Diego base during a training flight.

Major Andrew Mettler was piloting an F/A-18D Hornet when it went down at just before midnight on August 24 near Marine Corps Air Station Miramar.

That crash was the fifth Class-A aviation mishap - meaning damage totaling over $2million or fatality - in the current fiscal year.

It was the first involving a Marine Corps plane, according to Task & Purpose.

Interesting Comments at link...
 

greysage

Sport Shaver __________
Footage of the #F35Missing jet's debris field was made public after the aircraft was discovered in a field about 80 miles separated the crash site from Joint Base Charleston in South Carolina.

As per the official manual…
“The F-35 has the most advanced sensor suite of any fighter in history, including the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, Distributed Aperture System (DAS), Electro Optical Targeting System (EOTS) and advanced electronic warfare capabilities to locate/track enemy forces, jam radars and disrupt attacks.”

We have already heard the vulnerability of F-35 hacking in 2019. So what exactly happened is still question.
RT 45secs
View: https://twitter.com/amitavinami/status/1704136102733345226

I've got my glasses on and have had coffee; I couldn't locate any debris in that video.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
My thoughts exactly but it would be the Golden BB.
Oh yeah, it would have to hit. But I can't find anything about its ballistics that tells me what velocity it still has at 2500 feet. No charts go that way, they cover arcs to a target, not shooting straight up.
 

Demodave

Contributing Member
At 1800 yds with a HORNADY AMAX 750 GR, velocity is 1488 fps with 3689 ft lbs of energy.

Keep in mind a 44 magnum has a muzzle energy of 742 lbs....
 

Demodave

Contributing Member
Velocity at a HORIZONTAL mile is immaterial. What's the velocity at a mile UP?
The bullet will have to overcome the force of gravity and drag. The . 50 BMG is listed as having a maximum ceiling of about 15,000 ft with a bullet weighing 1.71 oz and a muzzle velocity of about 2900 f/s.

15000 ft is 5000 yds
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
The bullet will have to overcome the force of gravity and drag. The . 50 BMG is listed as having a maximum ceiling of about 15,000 ft
About six times the height at which they're saying someone shot this plane. Sounds pretty doable then. It would still have most of its muzzle energy at that height per your numbers.

The corollary question, of course, is what kind of rig he used, what kind of mount. Maybe it was just offhand shooting. :)
 

greysage

Sport Shaver __________

Yup, we are being totally bullshitted. That plane was stolen or sold. The whole 'help us find our plane' was to involve the general public and internet lend authenticity to this scam.
Listen to those news-actors. I don't know how people can't feel like they are being totally manipulated with those tones and newspeak.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
My gosh are people tightly wound on this thread. When goggle (see what I did there?) can't provide an instant answer its time for the off-beat hollywierd conspiracy theories to come out. We can decide without any facts what happened to a missing billion $ plane within 36 hours max, but over 100 years after the clothes drier was invented we can't explain missing socks. There is no justice in the universe.

RR
Yeah. I don't know how people live like that.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You can pop a head at a mile if you are good enough.
I think I heard they have done it out to 1 1/2 mile.
About six times the height at which they're saying someone shot this plane. Sounds pretty doable then. It would still have most of its muzzle energy at that height per your numbers.

The corollary question, of course, is what kind of rig he used, what kind of mount. Maybe it was just offhand shooting. :)
Don't know this for a fact, but would suspect that not only the velocity of the bullet but also the velocity of the plane needs to be taken into account.

In the form of: A closed, and locked door doesn't have any velocity, but if you back up 10 yards and go full out at it, it might knock you out.

Btw off hand shooting isn't very reliable, especially for those distances. Any little wiggle/shake heartbeat, at the muzzle would be yards wide, or more out at a mile. Even at 200 yards a heart beat can make the bullet go from center bulls eyes to the 10 range.

And at a mile (or even less just not noticeable) the spin of the bullet will cause it to drift off course, and depending on rifling, left or right. And at a mile, rotation of the earth also becomes a factor. Heat waves, wind all have an effect. So the guys that can do it at those ranges are probably in the single digits world wide.

But as was stated it is doable. And if it was a rifle, could even be an accident
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
his discussion is the first to raise what I find the most interesting/alarming element-question: the suggestion this could be laying the foundation for a false flag to get us moving along toward overt ww3 and to address the horror of the biden approval #s....



Will Schryver
@imetatronink


‼️ So apparently a US pilot, for reasons that remain unclear, ejected from a still-flying Marine Corps F-35B somewhere over South Carolina, but a frantic search cannot locate the abandoned jet. And now the USMC commandant has ordered a two-day "stand-down" for "all aviation units" around the world!!!

Note well, the order is not for "all F-35 units", but for "all aviation units".

To me, that must be interpreted as everything that flies — attack aircraft, tankers, helicopters, etc.

WHY?

This makes absolutely no sense at all — and STRONGLY suggests that they actually DO KNOW what happened to that F-35B ... and it must be DAMN SERIOUS — and somehow applicable to ALL AIRCRAFT for them to have ordered a total stand-down of "all aviation units".

Well ... I cannot for the life of me imagine what would warrant such an extreme action on the part of the US military. But it simply must be something that has severely spooked them.

Developing ...

(Edit: to be clear, I absolutely do NOT believe this jet was commandeered and landed safely somewhere. To me, that is a silly theory.)


Will Schryver
@imetatronink
All I've seen so far is that they claim to have found "some debris", but are still searching for where the plane wreckage is.

Bear in mind, I am sure this plane crashed somewhere. Notions that it was commandeered and flown to and landed in Cuba or anywhere else are just plain silly.

A crashed F-35 is hardly anything new. What is unusual is that an order was issued to ground "all aviation units" around the world.
A service-wide stand down because of the three aviation accidents with fatalities the USMC has had just since July of this year. I went thru one back in the 70s. A Tactical Air Command-wide stand down that was an "Everybody who is part of flying and maintenance squadrons in the base theater, fire and brimstone, come to Jesus, STOP EFFING UP, threats of Leavenworth, safety briefing."

I never knew colonels and 2-stars used language like that. But the message was made clear; Planes were crashing and crews dying because of human errors, either in the cockpit or on the ground. And people had to step back, clear their heads, reassess the situation and everybody do their jobs the tight way.
 
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