Then only the wealthy could run for public office. You sure you want that?
CRISIS Elected Officials Need to find a Path to Protection for our children
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We could bring in guns as long as they were in a gun case. And only during pheasant season.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Are you wealthy ?
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Believe it or not there is actually an easy answer to this question. When the PLO started targeting schools in Israel despite trying all kinds of things they finally managed to stop these attacks. How did they do that? THEY TRAINED AND ARMED THE TEACHERS!! Kind of hard to run amok in a school killing children when all the teachers are armed with Uzi Sub-machine Guns.
AMAZINGLY the attacks on schools STOPPED!! Shooters attacking schools are cowards. They want easy and defenseless victims, and the last thing they want to do is deal with heavily armed defense and the threat of their own death.....THEY - ARE - COWARDS!!
AMAZINGLY the attacks on schools STOPPED!! Shooters attacking schools are cowards. They want easy and defenseless victims, and the last thing they want to do is deal with heavily armed defense and the threat of their own death.....THEY - ARE - COWARDS!!
Think you could never learn to use a gun?
Do you drive? If you learned to drive, you most likely can learn to use a firearm in self defense or the defense of others.
Louis Awerbuck: Interview With a Madman is a conversation with the best instructor I ever knew.
Do you drive? If you learned to drive, you most likely can learn to use a firearm in self defense or the defense of others.
Louis Awerbuck: Interview With a Madman is a conversation with the best instructor I ever knew.
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Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
My safety is in my hands; a 10 YO in a classroom is going to protect themselves how? If you think they're capable of that against an armed nutjob, than you're the idiot.
The only way to keep kids out of harms way in Grade 2-4 is to home school them; not an option for many for a variety of reasons.
And no, there's no requirement for more laws, BS or otherwise. Just enforce those on the books like if you're a felon or adjudicated mentally unfit for any reason, not a citizen or any of the other prohibited statuses, you shouldn't be in possession of firearms for the safety of all, including yours..
Or do you think using a school as a shooting gallery is a good thing? Or are you just ranting because you feel abandoned by all politicians? You should feel that way because every "Professional politician" is in it to line their pockets. Protecting you and yours from anything, let alone a psycho with a gun and a beef about not be able to get a date is not on the agenda. Disease/ Inflation or recession? Not those either.
I wish these useless slack jawed cowards had some guts. Maybe then they'd stop trying to cap themselves when they're done. And they keep picking soft targets like schools or malls. I'd love to see one of them try that crap at a gun range or anywhere near one. Lots of LEA offices around and usually well-marked. If they're all gung ho to show how tough or mean they are, go find even just one armed citizen and try your hand.
If I overheard someone talking about such a plan, the cops would be my next call. If I saw that individual heading out, packing lots of gear, I'd follow. If I saw him unlimber a firearm in the proximity of a school or any other such venue, another call to the police and ready my own. I'd either save the day or be the 1st to go down.
subnet
Boot
Hell, my HS in cali at the time (back in the 80s) had armed school security and stinking little electric carts, they rode around on.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
A mass murderer at 18.
Check the upbringing, to see how far from normal this kid was raised.
Sounds like m*m may have had a **u* add*c+**n!
If that’s the case…. Can you imagine a kid being raised in a fatherless home as mom does what she has to do, and the kid witnesses stuff?
Imagine growing up mind-**c*ed like that. Even if grandma was running point for sanity in the household.
I’m not playing liberal devils advocate, but even 1st person shooter video games can’t screw up a soul that bad!
Check the upbringing, to see how far from normal this kid was raised.
Sounds like m*m may have had a **u* add*c+**n!
If that’s the case…. Can you imagine a kid being raised in a fatherless home as mom does what she has to do, and the kid witnesses stuff?
Imagine growing up mind-**c*ed like that. Even if grandma was running point for sanity in the household.
I’m not playing liberal devils advocate, but even 1st person shooter video games can’t screw up a soul that bad!
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
Won’t happen…
Our Schools / teachers are how many % radical proggies? Anti-American culture. Anti BOR pro-perverted 1st amendment manipulators who despise the 2A.
Trouble
Veteran Member
Ah an asshole, how nice. It's not my job to protect Schools, that's up to the schools. They have huge budgets. Maybe less on leftist bullshit and more on protection? I just don't want to get screwed for the good of all nonsense anymore. Chicago, DC, some school, none of these affect me in any way. Want your kids safe? Homeschool. Don't put it on society.
I'm not against the concept of arming the Teachers, but this isn't Israel, we don't have mandatory conscription and our teachers by and large are anti-gun liberals, the majority of them abhor guns. I would be in favor of certain teachers however.
As one TB2K member so eloquently put:
"Carrying a gun no more makes a person armed than sitting at a piano makes one a musician"
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Then hire already military trained combat VETERANS as teachers. During my time in higher education there was a threat at our community college. Because of that I actually started to carry on campus (very well concealed) because I was not going to become a victim of some nut case shooting. Was it against the "rules"? Yes....but screw that. My life and the lives of others was far more important than some damn lame dik rule. I'm glad that I never had to actually use my firearm, but I was militaryly trained, experienced and ready to defend both my life and others against such a threat.
THAT IS HOW YOU PROTECT SCHOOLS!! Hire combat veterans and arm them!!
Gah, here goes
SRO's in every school. This school in Uvalde evidently had one and he engaged, unlike the one in the Parkland shooting with SRO Scot Peterson *spit* who hid behind a barricade and "radio'd for assistance"
I do not yet know the details of this SRO's actions, but from what I gather he was wounded, but he did not stop the threat from entering the school, that kid would have had to walk over my corpse to get in that school.
SRO's are likely the kid's first interaction with Police, and that interaction will be engrained in their collective psyches forever, they'll judge all future cops by what they learned from the SRO in their school. It is incredibly important this SRO is the right one, they must be that football coach everyone loved, or that shop teacher everyone loved.
For me it was the shop teacher, he was "that" guy that lives on forever in this school district, his memory lives on in thousands of student alumni and each time we meet an old school mate his name always pops up.
The SRO needs to be that person. They need to hang out with the kids doing after school functions, working out with them, jogging around the track, doing cheers in prep rally's. The SRO needs to identify kids that are in trouble, get into their heads and get them help. They need to be role model, a councilor, a life coach, a sheep dog.
UNFORTUNATLY schools are getting these slobs that are riding out the last couple years of their service to get that pension, or their the most senior and thus get first dibs, or they can't hack the beat anymore so get sent to the schools to be out of everyone's hair. That SRO is the worst, kids will think of cops as fat twinkee eating slobs that care for nothing or no one, that SRO will be the butt of all the kids' jokes, and soon they'll be voting to defund the police.
Schools need to be hardened, yet, not be prisons. Bullets should not pass through the windows, or the walls, doors should be impenetrable to the shooter, yet open for the police. No one should ever be able to simply stroll right in. I know many of you think schools doors are locked and you need buzzed in, that's false thinking, one bullet and the glass shatteres into a million shards and there might as well not even be a door. There's no slam gate like at virtually every store front in a mall.
School security isn't a one shoe fits all, it's multi-layered and complex, too complex to write in a single post on a forum.
but first, our politicians need to address the problems, but they're too busy dancing on graves.
SRO's in every school. This school in Uvalde evidently had one and he engaged, unlike the one in the Parkland shooting with SRO Scot Peterson *spit* who hid behind a barricade and "radio'd for assistance"
I do not yet know the details of this SRO's actions, but from what I gather he was wounded, but he did not stop the threat from entering the school, that kid would have had to walk over my corpse to get in that school.
SRO's are likely the kid's first interaction with Police, and that interaction will be engrained in their collective psyches forever, they'll judge all future cops by what they learned from the SRO in their school. It is incredibly important this SRO is the right one, they must be that football coach everyone loved, or that shop teacher everyone loved.
For me it was the shop teacher, he was "that" guy that lives on forever in this school district, his memory lives on in thousands of student alumni and each time we meet an old school mate his name always pops up.
The SRO needs to be that person. They need to hang out with the kids doing after school functions, working out with them, jogging around the track, doing cheers in prep rally's. The SRO needs to identify kids that are in trouble, get into their heads and get them help. They need to be role model, a councilor, a life coach, a sheep dog.
UNFORTUNATLY schools are getting these slobs that are riding out the last couple years of their service to get that pension, or their the most senior and thus get first dibs, or they can't hack the beat anymore so get sent to the schools to be out of everyone's hair. That SRO is the worst, kids will think of cops as fat twinkee eating slobs that care for nothing or no one, that SRO will be the butt of all the kids' jokes, and soon they'll be voting to defund the police.
Schools need to be hardened, yet, not be prisons. Bullets should not pass through the windows, or the walls, doors should be impenetrable to the shooter, yet open for the police. No one should ever be able to simply stroll right in. I know many of you think schools doors are locked and you need buzzed in, that's false thinking, one bullet and the glass shatteres into a million shards and there might as well not even be a door. There's no slam gate like at virtually every store front in a mall.
School security isn't a one shoe fits all, it's multi-layered and complex, too complex to write in a single post on a forum.
but first, our politicians need to address the problems, but they're too busy dancing on graves.
ALERT - "Active shooter" at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says UPDATE - 21 Fatalities (OP 2022)
My spongiform memory suggests it was intentional but DANG don't try to quote me on it. I ain't even sure of the state.
This says on-scene LEOs waited over half an hour to go in ... true or not I
dunno.
ALERT - "Active shooter" at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says UPDATE - 21 Fatalities (OP 2022)
My spongiform memory suggests it was intentional but DANG don't try to quote me on it. I ain't even sure of the state.www.timebomb2000.com
This says on-scene LEOs waited over half an hour to go in ... true or not I
dunno.
Ya, sadly I read that. I got nothing for I dunno what, 100+ LE? standing around with thumbs up their asses while kids are being slaughtered methodically and stacked like cordwood in a corner leaking.
The security door backfired, the shooter was able to gain entrance then used it to keep police out. Did the teacher not lock the door? Did the shooter tell the teacher he was police and it was opened for him?
Was BORTAC in there waiting for a key for 30 minutes while being shot at through the walls and door???
Did no one have breaching tools?
I'd like to see after action on this one, it looks absolutely terrible
wintery_storm
Veteran Member
I agree. Forget about replying on your local leaders to do anything.
I say take your kids out of the schools. The Nation should do a Walk out and say we had enough of this school system that is not safe and no longer works.
Home School or have the kids taught by an online educator from home .
I will hear but I have to go to work. I do not have anyone to watch my kids! Well when you had children you should not expect a school to be your baby sitter. It is up to you to take care of those special babies !
These shootings are not going to stop.
Children are not protected from the moment you put them on the Bus. Anyone can shoot at a Bus if they wanted to. It does not start at the school door. It starts at the moment they leave your home. They are unprotected.
Oh look! The bodies aren’t even cold yet and our resident Commun, er, liberal, crawls out from under her MSNC/CNN rock to sob and otherwise emote. Boo freakin hoo. The required actions are well known to everyone, but the liberal leaders and MSM (but I’m being redundant) won’t do what needs be done. That’s because in the cold light of morning, they don’t want things to change.
I tell you what @mourningdove , YOU tell US what you believe needs to happen. Please be specific.
I tell you what @mourningdove , YOU tell US what you believe needs to happen. Please be specific.
Check your spelling wintery…
mourningdove
Pura Vida in my garden
1. Armed security at every school in Texas. At least two per school. I am not opposed to arming teachers but they should be the second line of defense, not the first.
2. Limit access to the school to one entry point.
This will only help protect our children during school hours. Nut jobs that really want to kill will move on to stores, churches, political gatherings, sports events, movie theaters, etc. But our children will be safe in school.
Now I would like to challenge you, Dennis. These shootings have been going on for a long time. What has the Texas leadership done to try and prevent school shootings?
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
1) Get mental health hospitals back up and running
2) Quit using big pharma TV sales of pills and doctors within their insurance network as pimps to push them as a substitute for #1
3) Eliminate gun free zones and make them the most armed security areas in the country........
4) and remember the words from the 2nd amendment, "shall not be infringed upon"
2) Quit using big pharma TV sales of pills and doctors within their insurance network as pimps to push them as a substitute for #1
3) Eliminate gun free zones and make them the most armed security areas in the country........
4) and remember the words from the 2nd amendment, "shall not be infringed upon"
Jeff B.
Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
In 2023, yes almost ten years ago, the Texas Legislature passed the School Marshals Act which provides for 80 hours of Law Enforcement Academy training for school employees wishing to become Marshals.
As you might guess, very few school districts have availed themselves of this opportunity. Those that have are mainly smaller, very rural districts.
My first question is why did the District not take advantage of this program?
I’ll wait for an answer (actual and real) before asking another question.
Jeff B.
As you might guess, very few school districts have availed themselves of this opportunity. Those that have are mainly smaller, very rural districts.
My first question is why did the District not take advantage of this program?
I’ll wait for an answer (actual and real) before asking another question.
Jeff B.
mourningdove
Pura Vida in my garden
Thats very interesting Jeff. I looked it up and you are right. My biggest concern with this is that it appears to put all the responsibility and costs on the individual school. I believe that school protection should be state funded. However, this could be used until such legislation is passed to provide state funded protection. Thank you for sharing.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Even in a red state the school districts and school boards are usually run by the NEA and are staffed with leftists. Of course most of them totally resist the arming of staff and many of them want nothing to do with an armed resource officer in the building or on campus.
Question….
How many mass shootings have occurred in schools that have armed staff present on campus during the day and prominently advertise that fact? I’m not aware of any shootings in the few schools that allow staff to be armed yet alone mass shootings.
And if we can create 40 billion dollars to slip into the pockets of the Ukrainians cant we create the money to reopen shuttered mental hospitals and lock these people up before they go postal? In virtually every case the warning signs are flashing red for months and the people that know the perps believe them to be walking timebombs.
db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
So much truth to your response! The turd with the gun mowing down kids should have been shot in the legs and hung on the flag pole to bleed to death, and his death shown on national TV. Do this to every brutal act like this and there will be fewer brutal acts.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
According to CBS National AM News today, yes.ALERT - "Active shooter" at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says UPDATE - 21 Fatalities (OP 2022)
My spongiform memory suggests it was intentional but DANG don't try to quote me on it. I ain't even sure of the state.
This says on-scene LEOs waited over half an hour to go in ... true or not I
dunno.
I think I heard 45 minutes but I was headed to make coffee so, slightly distracted.
It was also previously reported a US Border Patrol member was 1st on scene, observed the shooter leaving the FH & entering the school via an unlocked door, followed him in, engaged & took him out.
Today it seems the shooter was inside for about an hour±, barricaded in a classroom where he had unleashed his carnage and taken out by LEOs.
Much confusion yesterday obviously.
He was also variously reported as having killed his GM; turns out she survived and her wounds were an outcome of an argument over a cell phone bill. GF says he was unaware there were firearms in his house.
CBS gave a more complete timeline of the run up to the shooting (we'll see how accurate this version is). Shooter did not buy 2 ARs on his B'day; it was over a period of several days and he bought a 325 rd case of ammo in between. No mention of how he acquired body armour.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
So you are saying that the greater portion of the “property tax” is an unconscionable, forced “donation” to the perpetuation of political idealogies, practices and institutions wholly deviant and destructive to everything that at least 50% of the population should be holding sacred ?
And as such, that the same is a clear and indefensible violation of the First Amendment, from every angle that bastion of protection can be approached ?
We agree, again !!
Zahra
Veteran Member
The communist politicians want more gun control in response (naturally)
The conservatives advocate for arming teachers, metal detectors and so forth...
Why not just install 3M ballistic protective film on the glass doors to the school and require that the doors remain LOCKED during school hours?
If the damned doors had been locked the shooter wouldn't have been able to waltz right in.
Simple, inexpensive, and done.
The conservatives advocate for arming teachers, metal detectors and so forth...
Why not just install 3M ballistic protective film on the glass doors to the school and require that the doors remain LOCKED during school hours?
If the damned doors had been locked the shooter wouldn't have been able to waltz right in.
Simple, inexpensive, and done.
Vulture45-70
Veteran Member
Good start would be Concealed Carry for Teachers, retired police officers as So Called Resource Officers-Armed- walking around the halls checking doors, etc vice sitting in the cars. Good Story to read would be-Day of Wrath by William Forstchen
the most effective way to protect our children
is to end free/cheap/unlimited entertainment
for both children and adults.
ban automation so that there are an abundance of job opportunities for low IQ populations.
eliminate welfare and increase the cost of living so that everyone must work in order to survive.
pass laws so that you will own nothing and be happy.
Ooops. Maybe the WEF is on to something.
is to end free/cheap/unlimited entertainment
for both children and adults.
ban automation so that there are an abundance of job opportunities for low IQ populations.
eliminate welfare and increase the cost of living so that everyone must work in order to survive.
pass laws so that you will own nothing and be happy.
Ooops. Maybe the WEF is on to something.
Mourning dove, the question is, why have steps not been implemented by government, media and social media companies to stop it. In typical liberal fashion, you ignore the root cause and would treat the symptoms. That cannot work. Here’s what needs to happen:
Social media: whenever ANYONE posts about harming others, their account is locked down to all readers.
MSM: whenever a mass shooting occurs, the name of the shooter(s) is never made public
Government: whenever there’s a mass shooting, law enforcement and politicians never reveal the name of the shooter(s)
In short, banish the shooters to the ash heap of history. These nutters kill innocents to become famous and go into the history books. Our current system assures that they’ll get their wish. That incentive needs to go away, for good.
And that’s not a Texas issue.
Social media: whenever ANYONE posts about harming others, their account is locked down to all readers.
MSM: whenever a mass shooting occurs, the name of the shooter(s) is never made public
Government: whenever there’s a mass shooting, law enforcement and politicians never reveal the name of the shooter(s)
In short, banish the shooters to the ash heap of history. These nutters kill innocents to become famous and go into the history books. Our current system assures that they’ll get their wish. That incentive needs to go away, for good.
And that’s not a Texas issue.
Abe Froman
Senior Member
GUN FREE ZONES created by politicians for their own agenda are responsible.
END ALL GUN FREE ZONES!!!!
Arm Teachers now!
END ALL GUN FREE ZONES!!!!
Arm Teachers now!
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
So very true but you might be surprised how flexible some of those folks can be when it comes to saving their own hides while protecting their flock. There's more than a few centrist or conservative minded Dems.
They're not all AOC sychpophants.
Again - when seconds count, the cops are just minutes away. Teachers and school staff are THERE already. Most anyone who can drive safely can likely be taught to fight with a gun. Cops and soldiers just get paid to do it, that doesn't mean they are always good at it either.
meezy,s comment was excellent but missed one essential element: where in the Constitution is there any justification for federal funding of education? The 10th Amendment shows education is a State issue. Why should citizens of non-violent states (who are taxed to pay for their own education) pay to have schools modified and guards hired in other states? People in the non-violent states cannot vote in the LOCAL elections in other States, thus ANY federal expenditure for education is ''Taxation without Representation." We once had a revolution about that issue as I recall.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Why is it their responsibility? I think they should just step out of the way and let the communities handle it. An armed society is a polite society . . .
