night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
My spongiform memory suggests it was intentional but DANG don't try to quote me on it. I ain't even sure of the state.
ALERT "Active shooter" at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, school district says UPDATE - 21 Fatalities (OP 2022)
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bw
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He didn't know this random little girl's best friend was his daughter.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
OK. Google is a friend.
38 kids and 6 adults.
Bath School disaster
The Bath School disaster, also known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, United States. The attacks killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people.Wikipedia
Location:Bath Township, Michigan, US
Date:May 18, 1927
Target:Bath Consolidated School, house and farm
Per wiki
Bath School disaster - Wikipedia
The Bath School disaster, also known as the Bath School massacre,[Note 1] was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, United States. The attacks killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people. Prior to his timed explosives detonating at the Bath Consolidated School building, Kehoe had murdered his wife, Nellie Price Kehoe, and firebombed his farm. Arriving at the site of the school explosion, Kehoe died when he detonated explosives concealed in his truck.
Kehoe, the 55-year-old school board treasurer, was angered by increased taxes and his defeat in the April 5, 1926, election for township clerk. He was thought by locals to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat. Kehoe had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, he was notified in June 1926 that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed upon. For much of the next year until May 1927, Kehoe purchased explosives. He secretly hid them on his property and under the school.
On May 18, 1927, Kehoe then set off almost simultaneous explosions at his farmstead and at the Bath Consolidated School. His devices destroyed the farm's buildings and ripped through the north wing of the Bath Consolidated School building. As rescuers began working at the school, Kehoe drove up to the schoolyard and detonated dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck. The truck explosion killed Kehoe plus four other people, and also injured bystanders. During the rescue and recovery efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol in the south wing of the school that had been set to go off at the same time as the initial explosions in the north wing; Kehoe had apparently intended to destroy the entire school and kill everyone in it.
AND a WHOLE lot more there at wiki.
38 kids and 6 adults.
Bath School disaster
The Bath School disaster, also known as the Bath School massacre, was a series of violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, United States. The attacks killed 38 elementary schoolchildren and 6 adults, and injured at least 58 other people.Wikipedia
Location:Bath Township, Michigan, US
Date:May 18, 1927
Target:Bath Consolidated School, house and farm
Per wiki
Bath School disaster - Wikipedia
| Bath School disaster | |
|---|---|
.jpg "Bath Consolidated School (cropped).jpg")
Bath Consolidated School before the bombing | |
| Location | Bath Township, Michigan, US |
| Coordinates |
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| Date | May 18, 1927; 95 years ago |
| Target | Bath Consolidated School, house and farm |
| Attack type | School bombing, mass murder, murder-suicide, suicide truck bombing, arson, uxoricide |
| Weapons | Explosives: Bolt-action rifle: |
| Deaths | 45 (43 at the school including the perpetrator, 1 at the perpetrator's house and 1 later died in the hospital) |
| Injured | 58 |
| Perpetrator | Andrew P. Kehoe |
| Motive | Psychopathy, revenge for defeat in local election, personal and financial stress |
Kehoe, the 55-year-old school board treasurer, was angered by increased taxes and his defeat in the April 5, 1926, election for township clerk. He was thought by locals to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat. Kehoe had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. In addition, he was notified in June 1926 that his mortgage was going to be foreclosed upon. For much of the next year until May 1927, Kehoe purchased explosives. He secretly hid them on his property and under the school.
On May 18, 1927, Kehoe then set off almost simultaneous explosions at his farmstead and at the Bath Consolidated School. His devices destroyed the farm's buildings and ripped through the north wing of the Bath Consolidated School building. As rescuers began working at the school, Kehoe drove up to the schoolyard and detonated dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck. The truck explosion killed Kehoe plus four other people, and also injured bystanders. During the rescue and recovery efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol in the south wing of the school that had been set to go off at the same time as the initial explosions in the north wing; Kehoe had apparently intended to destroy the entire school and kill everyone in it.
AND a WHOLE lot more there at wiki.
jward
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Police waited to enter Texas school as shooter went on killing spree: witness
By
Allie Griffin
May 25, 2022 10:16pm
Updated
![There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn't do a darn thing [until] it was far too late, Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jacklyn Jaylen Cazares,](https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/police-delay-080.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=744 "There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn't do a darn thing [until] it was far too late, Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jacklyn Jaylen Cazares,")
Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jackie Cazares, believes police could of prevented the incident from escalating. ZUMA24.com
The Texas elementary school mass shooting suspect spent more than 40 minutes slaughtering young students inside as witnesses desperately urged police to charge into the building.
Now a father of one of the dead children is blaming officers at the scene for not acting sooner to stop the alleged gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos.
“There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn’t do a darn thing [until] it was far too late,” Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jackie Cazares, told ABC News.
A witness who lived across the street from Robb Elementary, where 19 students and two teachers were shot dead Tuesday, said onlookers begged officers outside the school to do something as bullets rang inside the building.
“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers who did not go inside, 24-year-old Juan Carranza said.
Local police, state police and 80 Border Patrol officers swarmed to the scene. Four of the 80 Border Patrol officers entered the school building and killed Ramos, according to a Customs and Border Protection official.
Carranza felt the officers should have barged into the school quicker.
Jackie Cazares was one of the victims in the tragic school shooting. JACKIE CAZARES' FAMILY
“There were more of them, there was just one of him,” he said.
He said he first watched Ramos crash his truck in a ditch outside the school, grab a AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle and shoot at, and miss, two people outside a nearby funeral home.
The mass shooter then fired at a school district security officer, ran inside the elementary school and shot at two arriving Uvalde police officers outside the building, according to a Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson, who added that all three officers were injured.
It’s unclear whether the school security officer shot back at Ramos.
Salvador Ramos spent more than 40 minutes allegedly murdering the young students and teachers.
An officer walks outside of Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on May 24, 2022.AFP via Getty Images/ Allison Dinner
Ramos barged into one classroom, locked the door behind him and allegedly began massacring fourth-grade students and their teachers, according to the public safety department.
Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said it was “within 40 minutes or so” from when the 18-year-old opened fire on the school security officer to when the Border Patrol team shot him.
The specialized, SWAT-like team struggled to breach the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open it with a key, a law enforcement official who requested anonymity told the Associated Press.
Cazares said the officers needed better tactical training.
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“The situation could’ve been over quick if they had better tactical training, and we as a community witnessed it firsthand,” he told ABC News.
He also said young people like the 18-year-old who killed his daughter shouldn’t be able to buy guns.
“I’m a gun owner and I do not blame the weapons used in this tragedy. I’m angry how easy it is to get one and how young you can be to purchase one,” he said.
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By
Allie Griffin
May 25, 2022 10:16pm
Updated
The Texas elementary school mass shooting suspect spent more than 40 minutes slaughtering young students inside as witnesses desperately urged police to charge into the building.
Now a father of one of the dead children is blaming officers at the scene for not acting sooner to stop the alleged gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos.
“There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn’t do a darn thing [until] it was far too late,” Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jackie Cazares, told ABC News.
A witness who lived across the street from Robb Elementary, where 19 students and two teachers were shot dead Tuesday, said onlookers begged officers outside the school to do something as bullets rang inside the building.
“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers who did not go inside, 24-year-old Juan Carranza said.
Local police, state police and 80 Border Patrol officers swarmed to the scene. Four of the 80 Border Patrol officers entered the school building and killed Ramos, according to a Customs and Border Protection official.
Carranza felt the officers should have barged into the school quicker.
Jackie Cazares was one of the victims in the tragic school shooting. JACKIE CAZARES' FAMILY“There were more of them, there was just one of him,” he said.
He said he first watched Ramos crash his truck in a ditch outside the school, grab a AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle and shoot at, and miss, two people outside a nearby funeral home.
The mass shooter then fired at a school district security officer, ran inside the elementary school and shot at two arriving Uvalde police officers outside the building, according to a Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson, who added that all three officers were injured.
It’s unclear whether the school security officer shot back at Ramos.
Salvador Ramos spent more than 40 minutes allegedly murdering the young students and teachers.
An officer walks outside of Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on May 24, 2022.AFP via Getty Images/ Allison DinnerRamos barged into one classroom, locked the door behind him and allegedly began massacring fourth-grade students and their teachers, according to the public safety department.
Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said it was “within 40 minutes or so” from when the 18-year-old opened fire on the school security officer to when the Border Patrol team shot him.
The specialized, SWAT-like team struggled to breach the classroom door and had to get a staff member to open it with a key, a law enforcement official who requested anonymity told the Associated Press.
Cazares said the officers needed better tactical training.
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“The situation could’ve been over quick if they had better tactical training, and we as a community witnessed it firsthand,” he told ABC News.
He also said young people like the 18-year-old who killed his daughter shouldn’t be able to buy guns.
“I’m a gun owner and I do not blame the weapons used in this tragedy. I’m angry how easy it is to get one and how young you can be to purchase one,” he said.
Police waited to enter Texas school as shooter went on killing spree: witness
“There was at least 40 lawmen armed to the teeth but didn’t do a darn thing [until] it was far too late,” Jacinto Cazares, the father of 10-year-old victim Jackie Cazares.
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The Uvalde shooting: a tragedy with some strange elements
Thoughts, prayers and support go out to the bereaved of Uvalde. For parents and siblings to lose sons and daughters, brothers and sisters...
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The Uvalde shooting: a tragedy with some strange elements
Thoughts, prayers and support go out to the bereaved of Uvalde. For parents and siblings to lose sons and daughters, brothers and sisters like that, particularly at so early an age, is tragic beyond description. May God give the survivors what comfort they are able to receive, and accept the souls of the dead into His mercy.
Nevertheless, there are (yet again) elements of this shooting that are disturbingly strange. I'll let The Intrepid Reporter outline them in more detail: he has a stronger stomach than I for this sort of thing. Suffice it to say that there are signs that this may not be just a random incident, but something "generated" - as there have been in disturbingly many recent shooting incidents. Go read his initial analysis for yourself. (Profanity warning: he doesn't mince his words!) In particular, he notes:
The shooter was in possession of a very expensive rifle and holographic sight, far more costly than most of us (including yours truly) can afford. How does a teenager come by a weapon like that? He was only 18, the youngest age at which he could legally buy it. Did he buy it himself, or did someone buy it for him at a younger age? How did he afford it? Was it legally bought?
The shooter exhibited signs of psychological instability before this, including a photograph of him dressed in drag. What sort of "treatment" or "counseling" was involved? Were any medications in the mix, particularly SSRI's (which have been implicated in a number of previous incidents of this nature)?
I have no answers to those questions. Hopefully some will be forthcoming during the next few days and weeks. Meanwhile, let us never mention the shooter's name. Let him be forgotten. Rather, let's remember his victims, and use this tragedy as a spur to find better ways to protect our young in future.
Peter
Posted by Peter at 5/25/2022 06:20:00 AM
Oh God.....
jward
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Again, it's my understanding that the drag dressing was debunked, and was just the usual 4chan nonsense.
Can't speak to the money the weapons cost, lots of ways to make money...
The strangest element for me, that I cannot easily dismiss is the early reports of one or two shot and the shooter in custody. That was the news announcements at breaktime; by lunch time, it had blossomed into a full bore massacre, and the shooter was dead. Stories usually don't present that differently, with that length of time elapsing between versions. . .
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Can't speak to the money the weapons cost, lots of ways to make money...
The strangest element for me, that I cannot easily dismiss is the early reports of one or two shot and the shooter in custody. That was the news announcements at breaktime; by lunch time, it had blossomed into a full bore massacre, and the shooter was dead. Stories usually don't present that differently, with that length of time elapsing between versions. . .
Trans woman's photo used to spread baseless online theory about Texas shooter
The theory, which began on the forum website 4chan, was spread by right-wing Facebook pages and even Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona.
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The Uvalde shooting: a tragedy with some strange elements
Thoughts, prayers and support go out to the bereaved of Uvalde. For parents and siblings to lose sons and daughters, brothers and sisters...
The Uvalde shooting: a tragedy with some strange elements
Thoughts, prayers and support go out to the bereaved of Uvalde. For parents and siblings to lose sons and daughters, brothers and sisters like that, particularly at so early an age, is tragic beyond description. May God give the survivors what comfort they are able to receive, and accept the souls of the dead into His mercy.
Nevertheless, there are (yet again) elements of this shooting that are disturbingly strange. I'll let The Intrepid Reporter outline them in more detail: he has a stronger stomach than I for this sort of thing. Suffice it to say that there are signs that this may not be just a random incident, but something "generated" - as there have been in disturbingly many recent shooting incidents. Go read his initial analysis for yourself. (Profanity warning: he doesn't mince his words!) In particular, he notes:
The shooter was in possession of a very expensive rifle and holographic sight, far more costly than most of us (including yours truly) can afford. How does a teenager come by a weapon like that? He was only 18, the youngest age at which he could legally buy it. Did he buy it himself, or did someone buy it for him at a younger age? How did he afford it? Was it legally bought?
The shooter exhibited signs of psychological instability before this, including a photograph of him dressed in drag. What sort of "treatment" or "counseling" was involved? Were any medications in the mix, particularly SSRI's (which have been implicated in a number of previous incidents of this nature)?
I have no answers to those questions. Hopefully some will be forthcoming during the next few days and weeks. Meanwhile, let us never mention the shooter's name. Let him be forgotten. Rather, let's remember his victims, and use this tragedy as a spur to find better ways to protect our young in future.
Peter
Posted by Peter at 5/25/2022 06:20:00 AM
night driver
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And I am suspiciously amazed that BORTAC was not directly intervening as soon as they got there.
These guys are NEARLY the best tactical trained Operators in the Federal Police Service, AS WELL AS some of the badest hombres North (and occasionally SOUTH) of the Rio Grande and EAST of the Pecos...
And they were some of the folks who wrote the CURRENT "Best Practices Protocols" for this kind of thing.
There is a difficult to identify smell beginning to arise from Uvalde, TX.
These guys are NEARLY the best tactical trained Operators in the Federal Police Service, AS WELL AS some of the badest hombres North (and occasionally SOUTH) of the Rio Grande and EAST of the Pecos...
And they were some of the folks who wrote the CURRENT "Best Practices Protocols" for this kind of thing.
There is a difficult to identify smell beginning to arise from Uvalde, TX.
School Mass Murders From the World's Most Discouraging Book
Obviously I am only up to 1947. Como, Colo. (1895) Before 5/8/1895: Man rumored to have put one of his daughters “in a delicate condition...
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Wednesday, May 25, 2022
School Mass Murders From the World's Most Discouraging Book
/snip
Bath, Michigan (1927)
05/18/1927: Treasurer of the local school board was angered by his property tax increase to pay for a new school building he had opposed, murdered 37 children and six adults as well as seriously injuring 44 others with a dynamite bomb in the basement of the school. Only a wiring fault prevented other charges from taking down the rest of the building which would endangered 150 more students. The murderer had already beaten his wife to death at their home before blowing up their house. He blew himself up in his car in front of the school 30 minutes after the school explosion.
Category: public
Suicide: yes
Cause: Revenge
Weapon: explosive, blunt object[1]/snip
Bortacs training is to go in, what's this delay you speak of?
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
BTW, DOZ, thanks for the backstops. DAMNED stroke and memory holes.
BTW as well, BCE expects this to get memory holed as fast as the Buffalo shooter. If not faster.
BTW as well, BCE expects this to get memory holed as fast as the Buffalo shooter. If not faster.
Cowgirl4christ
Senior Member
I disagree… kids this age consider a lot of other kids their best friend. It’s not one bit unusual. Busy parents don’t always know the names of all the other kids in the class. A best friend doesn’t have to be someone they hang around with after school.
Thanks, Doz and night driver. That was horrible! I wasn't aware of it at all. The feds at Waco killed darn near 20 kids - only half of what that guy in Michigan killed.
BCE might be right; he might be wrong. It pivots on whether or not it gets media traction but it's another bludgeon for the mid-terms.
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Déjà vu. 23 years ago, I had been teaching at the Firearms Academy of Seattle when we received word of the mass shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. The homicidal/suicidal duo who perpetrated it wound up on the cover of TIME magazine. The mass media and the Democratic Party blamed the National Rifle Association and American gun owners. Not long after, I was in Denver and Littleton, getting information from the police officers who had responded to the killing ground. I was in Denver when the NRA cancelled its long-before scheduled Annual Meeting in response to the atrocity.
I am writing this shortly before 6 AM on May 25 in Houston, Texas where I arrived early for this year’s NRA Annual Meeting. We were just crossing the Louisiana line when we learned of the latest mass murder in Uvalde, which only stopped when a courageous Border Patrol agent entered the elementary school where it happened and hunted down the killer and put him down for good like the mad dog he was. That was less than 24 hours ago.
The media and politicians responded predictably. They are throwing the blame on innocent gun owners in general and the NRA in particular, and making a mad dog killer the focus of news 24/7. They wonder why the AR15 has become the choice of mass murderers, blithely ignoring the fact that THE MEDIA ITSELF CONVINCED THE WORLD THAT SUCH GUNS WERE THE MASS MURDER TOOLS OF CHOICE. The media has told every twisted, thwarted loser in the country that they can become famous, the focus of national and even world attention, if they just get their hands on a gun and murder the innocent.
That emperor has no clothes, but just as in the fable, too much of the public fails to recognize it.
OK, if you say so. All I can say is that I knew all my sons' friends but especially the ones they considered best friends.
It was hard not to know them, admittedly. We never knew how many kids would be sitting around the table at suppertime. We'd either be missing a couple or gaining several more. Nobody ever went home hungry.
33dInd
Veteran Member
They are now reporting t was 40 minutes from initial shots call to the maggot being taken out
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
To long. Someone needs to explain the delay.
From what I gathered they didn't have a way to breach the door, so had to wait for the school Principle to get a master key out. I don't know how much time that chewed up.
We know kids were being evacuated from other classrooms and there were windows and whatnot.
someone must have kept those 100's of officers back, out of a group like that *some* are going to go in hot, what kept them back?
Did they know everyone in that classroom was already dead and the shooter was just in there blasting away through the walls and doors at the border patrol waiting for a key?
lot's of questions
We know kids were being evacuated from other classrooms and there were windows and whatnot.
someone must have kept those 100's of officers back, out of a group like that *some* are going to go in hot, what kept them back?
Did they know everyone in that classroom was already dead and the shooter was just in there blasting away through the walls and doors at the border patrol waiting for a key?
lot's of questions
Former President Tweets Cruel Reaction To School Shooting – PJ Media
Former President Tweets Unbelievably Coarse and Cruel Reaction to School Shooting
BY JEFF REYNOLDS MAY 25, 2022 9:38 PM ET
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A day after the horrific shooting in Uvalde, TX, that took the lives of almost two dozen innocent souls, a former U.S. president tweeted something so insensitive, so upsetting, and so cruel that it defies explanation. It calls into question why he even still has access to the platform, such was the lack of awareness of the sentiment expressed.
He didn’t stop there. He kept going.
Oh, were you thinking of a different president? Twitter already removed that guy.
The bigger jerk still has access to his account. He used it to dance on the graves of slaughtered fourth graders today, to advance his political agenda.
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Twitter reacted with the typical division that Barack Obama foments wherever he goes. “What a POS” was trending late Wednesday night:
Our pals over at sister site Twitchy noticed:
Former President Tweets Unbelievably Coarse and Cruel Reaction to School Shooting
BY JEFF REYNOLDS MAY 25, 2022 9:38 PM ET
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A day after the horrific shooting in Uvalde, TX, that took the lives of almost two dozen innocent souls, a former U.S. president tweeted something so insensitive, so upsetting, and so cruel that it defies explanation. It calls into question why he even still has access to the platform, such was the lack of awareness of the sentiment expressed.
He didn’t stop there. He kept going.
Oh, were you thinking of a different president? Twitter already removed that guy.
The bigger jerk still has access to his account. He used it to dance on the graves of slaughtered fourth graders today, to advance his political agenda.
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Twitter reacted with the typical division that Barack Obama foments wherever he goes. “What a POS” was trending late Wednesday night:
Our pals over at sister site Twitchy noticed:
Talk about your mean tweets.
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Parents begged police for upward of 40 minutes to stop Texas school shooter: Report
Police stood by for upward of 40 minutes after a gunman stormed into an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday and killed 19 children and two teachers in a classroom, according to a new report.
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by Daniel Chaitin, Deputy News Editor |
| May 25, 2022 11:25 PM
| Updated May 26, 2022, 12:06 AM
Police stood by for upward of 40 minutes after a gunman stormed into an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday and killed 19 children and two teachers in a classroom, according to a new report.
Investigators are piecing together what happened over the course of the massacre, which ended with a Border Patrol team rushing in and killing the 18-year-old shooter. Witnesses cited by the Associated Press recalled shouting at police to enter the building to save the people inside. One even proposed having bystanders do the job that officers apparently refused to do as they stood outside.
“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” said Javier Cazares. “More could have been done.” Cazares lost his fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn, in the attack. “They were unprepared,” he said.
TEXAS GOVERNOR: GUNMAN IN UVALDE SCHOOL SHOOTING WARNED OF ATTACK ONLINE MINUTES PRIOR
Salvador Ramos has been identified by officials as the shooter who entered Robb Elementary School with an AR-style semi-automatic rifle. After being seen crashing his truck into a ditch outside the school and shooting at people outside a nearby funeral home, who were not injured, officials say he "encountered" a school district security officer, but it's not clear whether they exchanged gunfire. Ramos entered the school and shot and wounded two Uvalde police officers arriving outside, according to Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Travis Considine.
(AP Photo/Dario Lopez-Mills)
Between 40 minutes and an hour passed between Ramos shooting at the school security officer and him being shot and killed by a tactical Border Patrol unit, said Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw, although the exact timing remains unclear.
Ramos barricaded himself in one classroom, where officials said he shot and killed the 19 children and two teachers. A law enforcement official told the Associated Press that the Border Patrol agents had difficulty breaching the door to the classroom and were only able to enter when a staff member opened the door with a key.
GOP Rep. Tony Gonzales, whose district includes Uvalde, told CNN what he heard in a briefing about the time it took for law enforcement to finally close in. “All of it, I understand, lasted about an hour, but this is where there’s kind of a 30-minute lull. They feel as if they’ve got him barricaded in. The rest of the students in the school are now leaving," he said.
Raul Ortiz, chief of the Border Patrol, told CNN that more than a dozen on-duty and off-duty agents showed up to stop the shooter. "They didn’t hesitate. They came up with a plan. They entered that classroom, and they took care of the situation as quickly as they possibly could," he said. A member of the elite Border Patrol Tactical Unit, or BORTAC, has been credited with killing the shooter. The agent sustained a wound to the head after being grazed by a bullet and was shot in the leg but has been discharged from the hospital, U.S. Customs and Border Protection sources told the Washington Examiner's Anna Giaritelli.
Uvalde is a town of roughly 16,000 people and is situated between San Antonio and Del Rio. The town is just dozens of miles away from the U.S.-Mexico border and has a Border Patrol station.
Officials have yet to share a motive in the roughly 36 hours since the attack, which left 17 others injured. Ramos also shot and wounded his grandmother before the school attack.
The killer "barricaded himself by locking the door and just started shooting children and teachers that were inside that classroom,” Lt. Christopher Olivarez of the Texas Department of Public Safety said in a television appearance, according to NBC. "It just shows you the complete evil of the shooter.”
Josie
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I heard that too. I also heard a HAND GUN was used. If it was a hand gun, why all the focus on those evil assault rifles.
WildDaisy
God has a plan, Trust it!
If you are too busy to know the things that are important in the life of your child, you are too busy to have been a parent. My child is my priority, not titles, careers, meetings, or myself.
I have known my sons best friends since they met in Kindergarten and they are all almost 30 now. I have known every college roommate, every teammate. Why? Because I take time every single night to talk to my child about his day, what went on, the good and the bad, because if he couldn't come to me with the little stuff, he'll never feel comfortable to come to me with the big stuff. We still continue those talks today.
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jward
passin' thru
11-year-old Miranda Mathis. Her cousin confirmed the girl’s death on Facebook, writing, "My sweet baby cousin we loved u dearly I'm so sorry this happen to u baby please keep my family in your prayers.”
View: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1529656927709499392?s=20&t=Ut8P_rHrXqzhFSaHaU8yZg
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jward
passin' thru
Some part of the problem may have been the great # of responders. One random tweeter said she laid eyes on 20 vehicles and at least 3 agencies. what is the heirarchy and who's in charge of which aspects? Do they all normally train together? Who's on scene commander etc... contrary to instinct, it probably is better to rely on training and tried and true methods than to rush in nilly willy.
But yeah. My baby was inside I'd be getting inside with him, or at least burning up a tremendous amount of man power being held back : (
But yeah. My baby was inside I'd be getting inside with him, or at least burning up a tremendous amount of man power being held back : (
This is truth! Three of our granddaughters are 7-10 and they can meet someone for the first time, play with them for 10 minutes and they’re suddenly “best friends “. It happens all the time. They have all kinds of best friends and sometimes don’t even remember their names.
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Pulled from page 66 over on arfcom:
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Cop has an M4, plate carrier & pistol and instead of doing something useful he's ready to tase any parents who interfere with the other 5 cops are subduing a dad who wouldn't take no for an answer.
I want to believe that's not possible.
Unbelievable, I have no words to describe this that aren't utter contempt.....................
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Cop has an M4, plate carrier & pistol and instead of doing something useful he's ready to tase any parents who interfere with the other 5 cops are subduing a dad who wouldn't take no for an answer.
I want to believe that's not possible.
Unbelievable, I have no words to describe this that aren't utter contempt.....................
Tristan
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He's payed to connect them, no matter how tenuous it may be.
Depends on the conditioning...
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A Psychopath Responds to a Psychopath - EPautos - Libertarian Car Talk
Eric Peters is a Libertarian gearhead, columnist and author.www.ericpetersautos.com
A Psychopath Responds to a Psychopath
By eric -May 25, 2022452562
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A psychopath has killed 19 people – most of them elementary school-age kids. Another psychopath – older, with wispy hair plugs, who likes to sniff kids – assumes the royal “we” and demands it be “dealt” with.
Not the kid-sniffing.
He also does not mean harshly dealing with those who harm other people. He means harming millions of people who’ve never harmed anyone – with guns or otherwise. Per the writer William Burroughs, who said: “After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it.”
Except, of course, when it is government shooters who did do it.
It is interesting to note that after government shooters shot (and burned to death) a whole building full of mostly women and kids at Waco, Texas there were no calls to “deal” with it – by taking away the government’s guns.
Nor after every tiresomely repetitive unjustified shooting of harmless people by armed government workers; i.e., the “police.” Egregious examples include the 2016 murder – honest English – of unarmed and crawling on the floor Daniel Shaver by an AGW named Philip Brailsford at a La Quinta inn in Mesa, AZ. Brailsford was punished with lifetime disability payments for the “PTSD” he claimed he suffered as a result of shooting Shaver as he begged not to be.
It is not an “isolated case.”
Such cases occur with more regularity than those performed by the non-badged. More than 1,000 of them, every year to date. Even if “only” a fourth of those were “unjustified,” it is still a lot of them.
The Black Lives Matter people – who caused a great deal of harm – urged “defunding” of the police. No one urged they be disarmed – notwithstanding the harms they’ve caused. Indeed, armed government workers enjoy privileges the rest of us don’t – such as being able to carry their gun into a school or bar, for instance – which is an offense when we do it (even if we have a government permission slip to carry a gun otherwise).
A pattern is discernible.
Government says you must drive an electric car – assuming you can afford to – because the planet is being harmed by ”greenhouse gasses.” But government is the most profligate source of these “gasses” – and can afford to “emit” as much of them as it likes – because we’re paying for it. The military pilots burning holes in the sky with their afterburning jet engines that do not have to “comply” with fuel economy standards don’t have to worry about how much it costs to fill ‘er up before the next flight because they don’t have to put it on their debit card.
They put it on ours.
The Thing and his wispy hair plugs are driven hither and yon in the gas-guzzliest (and so greatest gaseous-emitting) vehicles conceivable – short of actually pouring fuel into an empty swimming pool and tossing a match on it. Custom-outiffted 747s with four thirsty jet engines. Two 747s, necessary for the entourage. Then via a 9,000-plus pound armored limousine based on a Chevy Suburban that uses twice as much gas as a Suburban – because it’s armored several inches thick.
The Thing is surrounded, wherever he goes – and wherever he stays – by heavily armed men.
But he is the president – and must be protected! This is understandable. A maniac might otherwise do him harm.
What is inexplicable is the contrary; i.e., that we are to accept being unprotected. Disarmed – so as to be unable to protect ourselves from maniacs – on account of the harm we have not caused.
It is always good for the goose – but never the gander.
What is styled “gun control” is true enough in the sense that it is about control, all right. Also that it “works” – in the manner that Face Diapers “work.” Both presume something to be the case that isn’t actually the case. As regards Face Diapers, the presumption is that the wearer might be sick or could get sick and therefore must be treated as sick, even in the ongoing absence of any reason other than fear (of the “might”) to believe he is actually sick.
And, of course, the Face Diapers do not “work” – in the sense of preventing sickness from being spread.
As in the case of “controlling” guns – which also does not work, in the sense that it prevents people from being shot by maniacs, working for the government and otherwise.
Yet the Thing urges that guns be taken away from us or otherwise “controlled” – on the basis of the presumption that we might cause harm, irrespective of no harm having actually been caused.
By people who actually have caused a great deal of harm, with guns and otherwise.
This disconnect flow from a defect of the mind, cognitive dissonance – i.e., the inability to recognize incongruity – and the related etiology of one-sided Safetyism. When it suits the government, “safety” is a kind of fetish object – one we’re expected to venerate and often punished if we do not. But when it suits us – as to be protected, by ourselves – the same government suddenly has a problem with it.
How much safer might that school have been had some of those teachers had the means to shoot back? How much less likely might the shooting have been if the shooter believed they had those means?
Ask the kid-sniffing Thing. He knows he’s safe.
And we know how much less safe we are – courtesy of these things.
Eric gets it.
vector7
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BREAKING REPORT: Furious father of Texas school shooting victim, 10, slams police for failing to take down gunman until 90 MINUTES AFTER MASSACRE BEGAN - even as onlookers BEGGED officers to enter building...
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1529652293821423621?t=ERpRBT7CFFSIy6VqZCekWQ&s=19
Onlookers urged police to charge into the Texas grade school where a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers, a witness says. The rampage lasted upwards of 40 minutes, ending when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team. https://t.co/Q11bo5eR6j
View: https://twitter.com/bluewaveing/status/1529652000622714882?t=MP2LMntr1NExQqynnJwiMg&s=19
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1529652293821423621?t=ERpRBT7CFFSIy6VqZCekWQ&s=19
Onlookers urged police to charge into the Texas grade school where a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers, a witness says. The rampage lasted upwards of 40 minutes, ending when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team. https://t.co/Q11bo5eR6j
View: https://twitter.com/bluewaveing/status/1529652000622714882?t=MP2LMntr1NExQqynnJwiMg&s=19
Tristan
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vector7
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Former President Tweets Unbelievably Coarse and Cruel Reaction to School Shooting
BY JEFF REYNOLDS MAY 25, 2022 9:38 PM ET
A day after the horrific shooting in Uvalde, TX, the Divider in Cheif mean tweeted.
Stop with your black supremacy.
View: https://twitter.com/SterFl/status/1529698758081904640?t=3wW0_f01x3szAplQyZxqCA&s=19